Aaron Dean on Salvation

In the previous post I had a comment from an ultra conservative Armstrongite saying that salvation was dependent upon our belief in Herbert Armstrong.  Now Aaron Dean is speaking out on "salvation."

It reads like the "David defense" that Armstrongites love to throw out.  David was a grievous sinner yet God used him. Herbert Armstrong was a grievous sinner, yet God used him.

From United Real News:

Forward: Separating Salvation From People 
What makes some seemingly dedicated people leave the Church?

I have been asked this question before by members who have seen many brethren and even ministers fail. Having spent much of my life at the heart of the work, some have asked me, “Why are you still here?”

I think it comes down to something my dad said when I graduated college and was asked to work on the Church’s Gulf stream jet: “Be sure and separate salvation from people.” What he knew was that I would witness some things that would build my faith; but I would also see and hear things that could discourage and tear down my faith.

Indeed no Christian’s life is without its pitfalls, but we expect them to be attacks from the outside. While ready to face the world, often we are not prepared for problems from the inside. People who meet with us each Sabbath at church—brothers and sisters whom we trust and love—sometimes might not show godly character in word or deed. And we can tend to expect more Christlike behavior the higher the position a person is in.

But when an offense happens involving someone in a visible position, what do we do? Many take sides, deny the action happened or make excuses, blaming others as the cause. They might reason that someone in that position certainly couldn’t have done whatever the offense was.

Emotional reactions like these may leave one at peace with themselves, but if they find out later that a knowingly wrongful act was committed or they were lied to, it’s very easy to become disillusioned. They might leave the faith or go searching for a more perfect church—usually to find that the next one is no better than the last.

Every good biblical character sinned, except Jesus Christ. He never sinned and kept all the commandments. But even He was accused for drinking wine, talking to sinners and disregarding men’s rules of Sabbath observance; and some people became offended by these accusations. To let someone else’s perceived mistake—or actual mistake—put us in a wrong attitude is to let someone else “take our crown” (Revelation 3:11).

We must work to control our own thoughts and actions. Seek truth and prove all things before reacting emotionally. “Work out our own salvation with fear and trembling” (Philippians 2:12). Our salvation rests on the sacrifice of Jesus Christ alone. If we pray for wisdom and react spiritually, we will make progress toward separating our salvation from other people’s mistakes. And in the process, put Christ—our hope of glory—in us (Colossians 1:27).

Your Salvation Depends On Whether You Believe HWA Was End Time Elijah!

Did you know that your belief in HWA being  the end time Elijah determines your salvation?  If you do not believe he was then your salvation is at stake.  You will be heading to the lake of fire ASAP!

The nuttiness continues in Armstrongism:

I would advise all to not get to comfortable in organizations or groups that do not believe Mr. Armstrong was the End Time Elijah, on this your mortal soul depends. For those that would ridicule me for what I have said, I would again point out, that the belief that Mr. Armstrong was the End Time Elijah is not the one factor, it is like a litmus test and points to your standing in The One True Church. Elijah Forum Yahoo

One week the litmus test for "true" Christians is Sabbath keeping. The next is whether you keep the Holy Days.  Then it might be whether or not you eat pork and shellfish.

Jesus is never part of the equation to these people.

Craig White Says: " Massacre and Butchery Unimaginable Soon To Be Unleashed on US, Australia and New Zealand"

Before Bob Thiel ever hit the scene as the Church of God's greatest theologian, world renown prophecy authority, and British Israel proponent, there was Craig White.  Craig seems to slip by the wayside with his rants as most people seem to ignore him.  He has scores of articles on British Israel bunk.  He is also rabidly anti-American.  Even when he vacations here he seems to find everything wrong that he comes into contact with.  He hates it, yet he sure loves to come here and vacation!

Craig is promoting today his latest article about the end times.  Specifically how the British Israelite nations will soon be German fodder as we are bombed into oblivion.  Those of us unlucky to remain alive will become the slaves of the Europeans.

He writes:

Ephraim and the tribes of Israel (not excluding the USA) will be lulled into a false sense of
security, possibly believing that their New World Order of One World Race, One World
Religion and One World Capitalist Economic Free Trading System would bring world
peace. Instead, the Europeans also believe in a New World Order - but one which is
radically different to the model proposed by the Anglo-Saxon Powers. Theirs is a Fascisttype of system endearing so-called Christianity to the State, thus reviving the Holy Roman Empire. It is completely different and opposed to the Anglo-Saxon version of a New World Order in such fundamentals as immigration/race, religion, finance, economics, social
attitudes, personal liberties etc.

But many today scoff at this (II Peters 3:3-4; Jude 18; Jeremiah 20:8). The scoffers and
mockers (both within and without the Church of God) who do not see the signs of the times
will be taken unawares.

Here we go again.  Anyone that disagrees with him is a mocker of his "god."  That is a convenient tool  that Armstrongites love to sling at those who no longer follow the stuff of Armstrongism..

Craig is all about The New World Order, the Roosevelts, Illuminati and other crackpot theories that have dominated Armstrongism over the decades.

It is of little benefit to the Anglo-Saxon-Keltic nations to build a New World Order realigning the world to gradually bring about One World. This globalisation process merely
weakens these nations and strengthens those that will eventually turn upon them. For they
despise the Anglo-Saxon model for world governance and prefer their own. These gentile
peoples respected the old Anglo-Saxon world leadership that followed in the tradition of
Theodore Roosevelt, Churchill, Menzies, Reagan and Thatcher. They both feared and
admired their hegemony, admitting that this hegemony led to world stability and prosperity.

Now they sense that a new realignment of political forces has been gradually taking over
the West – forces that do not believe that the Anglo-Saxon peoples should be world
leaders (except in political correctness and globalisation). Forces that believe that the
Anglo-Saxons are bad and should be integrated into a New World Order. These traitors
and perverts follow in the tradition of John F Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Blair etc.

 Don't think those of you that are heretics in Australia and New Zealand are getting of the hook:

Yes, the Anglo-Saxon peoples will be destroyed and enslaved by her "lovers", principally a
German-led Europe. Do we dare ignore this warning by God? Meanwhile in the Orient,
Europe’s global allies will be given the nod to invade Australia and New Zealand.

The nations to Australia’s north will invade the continent and bring Australians to their
knees. One third of White Australians will die from disease and famine; one third will die
directly because of war; and the remaining one third will go into captivity: "and a third part
... shall scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them" (Ezek 5:2). Massacre
and butchery unimaginable will be wreaked upon Australia.

Which are the gentile nations which will be involved with the coming terrible invasion of
Australia (and probably New Zealand)? Prophecy indicates the strong probability that the
various invading nations will partition the spoils of Israel among themselves. One in Joel
3:2b speaks of the scattering of Israel and the parting or dividing of Israel amongst her
enemies (Amos 7:17b; Micah 2:4; Dan 11:39 seem to tell a similar tale). So every
indication is that several nations will be involved in this bloody and bitter exercise.

 Australia itself may be divided up by secret agreement between India, Japan, China and
Indonesia. For instance, Japan may take the Eastern States; Indonesia and China the
Northern Territory and South Australia; and India Western Australia.

This is the scenario he sees in store for the United States.  Note this is from some Russian idiot:

This is what Craig predicts:

You and your family in Australia are aware that America is in the process of being
subsumed. Internally there is race war and massacres. One race of men is tearing around
killing and raping. Others are claiming properties and forcing your peoples to work in the
fields. Caribbeans are pouring into Florida by the boatload. Japan has taken over Hawaii
and other outlying islands before China can get to them.

German-led European forces representing the new fascist National European Social
Empire are invading via their ally, Quebec. The effects are devastating and final.
Carnage, confusion and slaughter are everywhere! Nothing in world history has ever
occurred like this before.

 There is no one left on the entire planet to intervene to help Australia. The country is being
swamped on a massive scale.

Troops from Japan are smashing their way down the coast of Queensland after destroying
the city of Brisbane. Meanwhile, Indonesia has unleashed hundreds of thousands of its
poor on to the shores of the Northern Territory – they are swarming in and setting up camp
wherever they can. Behind them are heavily armed Chinese troops hoping to carve out a
part of Australia to populate.

The Indonesians find the new land wonderful and are able to spread out, building new
dwellings from the natural environment and are easily able to live off the land and fish
along the coastal areas.

Like any really good Armstrongite he has to get some sex in there.  No good Armstrongite prophetic prophecy can get by with out rape, pillaging and sex slaves.

Through your binoculars you see some being taken to become slaves and shipped off to
Asia, Africa, South America or central Europe to work in mines, factories or in the sex
industry.

“Perhaps we shall be able to link up with other families and individuals fleeing the
slaughtering and raping” you think. “Perhaps, by some miracle, the invaders will one day
allow all the Anglo-Saxon-Keltic and Nordic peoples a little homeland somewhere.”

But little did you realise that their intention is murderous. They are intent on ‘killing a
people’ after using what is left of them as slaves scattered across the world. They will
never allow your peoples to re-assemble and to arise again – their jealousy and
vengefulness will see to that.

You can read the rest of this sickness here:  WHEN THE BAD NEWS FINALLY REACHES YOU! A scenario for the worst time in human history