Evil Jesuits and IBM are Collecting Church of God Members Names for Database

Did you know that Church of God members are currently being rounded up, tortured and killed today.    Well, not actually, but spiritually and metaphorically.

Yes!!! Just as God's Church was rounded up, hunted and TORTURED and KILLED during the middle ages, we are facing similar tactics being used on us today!

We are living in dangerous times!  Various Church of God groups are out there robbing the gullible members of their money and spiritual lives.

We all have seen websites claiming to be God's Church, trying to sucker you into handing over to them your name and location, using the promise of helping you find fellow brethren in your area. Isn't that wonderful?

Well don't be so sure. We are living in trying and dangerous times! How do you know if such a group isn't scamming you for your information? Jotting your information down in a log, creating a database out of your information, and anyone else who fell prey to these people who "claimed" to have been fellow members of God's Church.  

Are they conceded about Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, Rod Meredith and Ron Weinland?  Are these the "false brethren" that are taking tithe money that doesn't belong to them?  Are these the men on power trips rung members lives?

Revelation 3:9, reveals that what we are facing today are FALSE BRETHREN who claim to be God's Church but DO LIE! They want your money & God's Tithes. They want your information, your name and location. They want the power, to govern God's people, but they can't receive that authority and rank, because they simply are not in God's Church! Jesus Christ is the head of the Church of God and He will perform His righteous duties! And they can't go around Jesus Christ! 

These men are all cunning and manipulative as they sway members to believe their lies.  They are right when they refer to Thiel, Flurry, Pack and others with their perverted doctrines.

These false brethren however want the opportunity to sway you over into their perverted doctrines and heresies, playing the part of a minister of God, but being a minister of Satan the Devil. 

Never fear though, there are a group of church people out there that are the preservers of the truth once delivered, true 1st century church beliefs.

We are mirroring the first century Church. Do you realize that these same tactics were used against God's Church in those days? 

Thiel claims to be doing this, as does Flurry, Pack, Wienland, Meredith, Kubik and others.  Who is right?

Dangerous times are ahead.  Rome is rising again in Europe. Concentration camps, torture, murder and unbelievable atrocious are in store for he United States and all COG member who follow the false teachers of the church.

Rome sent spies to search out brethren. They hunted your fellow brethren, and then when found, use them to hunt other brethren.And all at the bequest of the Roman Catholic Church.  

We are coming to a time where the resurrected Holy Roman Empire will rise up as the United States of Europe, and will do FAR MORE ATROCITIES THAN HITLER in World War 2!!!

Did you know that evil Jesuits are starting to gather the names of Church of God members in preparation of the evil atrocities to happen?  They are starting data banks on church members names.

This all reminds me of the garbage floating around Pasadena in the late 70's and 80's.  If it was not the evil Zionists it was the Jesuits and Catholics.  Forget about Germany, Jesuits were the ones to kill us all.

DO you realize that Hitler, with his Jesuit gestapo, went around before time and cataloged all of the people? They went around creating database after database, with help of IBM, and look at what happened after that! 

That is exactly what is happening now. 

Websites, ran by non-members of God's Church are looking to gain your information to log you into their database. They lure you with the Church's material, but they are not of God's Church!

They pretend to be ministers, and they set up Sabbath services, and they collect God's tithes as if they were, BUT THEY ARE NOT MINISTERS OF GOD! Their heart is with the apostates who left God's Church in the 1970's! Their hearts is with the false COG groups out there, and what they are trying to do is to CAPTURE YOU BRETHREN, who have escaped from the hands of these false COG groups, so you can be bound under their corporate umbrella as sureties, and then the resurrected Holy Roman Empire can come back around and find you in corporate CHAINS, unable to leave the country! Left behind while God's Church is protected in a place of Safety. WATCH OUT BRETHREN! 

Whats going to happen 60 years fro now when these men are old and Europe has not invaded the U.S.?  We have been hearing this malarkey for 80 years already.

This inspiring message is courtesy of Church of God Archives 

Because Daddy Rod Meredith Rejected Me I Had To Start My Own Church

Why is it that so many look up to Church of God leaders as father figures?  Many think this is the case with Nearly Arrested Elisha Elijah Bob Thiel.  Have you ever noticed that Thiel never talks about his birth father?  Nothing is ever said. All he ever mentions his "spiritual" father Rod Meredith.  Thiel used to wax eloquent on Meredith all the time.  Daddy could do no wrong.  Daddy sat and ate lunches and dinners with him.  Daddy had him over for cocktails   Daddy personally had an audience in his office with him. Then his daddy had to go and reject him.  Daddy publicly humiliated him in church, a double whammy. His father figure Rod Meredith rejected him and refused to listen to him when he approached him with concerns that the church was preaching the wrong things.  Now Thiel has lashed out once again bemoaning the fact that Meredith ignored his silly recommendations.

The problem this time is that Thiel is attempting to use an article from Living Church of God to prop up his absurd belief that he is a prophet.  The only true prophet in the church now.

Sometime back, Dexter Wakefield wrote an article on "spiritual gifts."  Thiel quotes Wakefield:

Statement on 1 Corinthians 

Let’s look at some of the statements in the order Dexter Wakefield wrote them. Let’s start with the following:

To serve the needs of the Church, God—through His Spirit—gives different members different gifts. “…to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits … the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually … (1 Corinthians 12:4–11) 

Yes, as it states in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11, there are differing gifts AND prophecy is one of them. But also notice that the discerning of spirits IS NOT taught as being given to all as he seemed to imply. 

Gift of Prophecy 

Let’s look at another of Dexter Wakefield’s statements:

Similarly, the gift of “prophecy” is primarily the gift of inspired speech, and can be exercised in a strong sermon that covers no “new ground” but simply explains with clarity and power the meaning of Bible prophecy and end-time events. 

Dexter Wakefield is correct that most of the time, one with a prophetic gift is properly explaining biblical prophecy and end time events. That occurs in the Continuing Church of God.

Apostle Thiel is working up to the point that he is a prophet because he has the gift for inspired speech which leads him to preach sermons with the only accurate interpretation of prophecy and end-time events. 

No other man outside of the Continuing Church of God has the correct interpretations:

It should be noted certain leaders of other COGs (including in LCG in several instances) have disqualified themselves on certain matters of prophecy, especially when they insist on matters that are wrong, or at best questionable...

Thiel clans that Rod Meredith personally said that his god "might" consider Thiel a prophet.  

The Apostle Paul makes it clear that not all are prophets. Prophet is an office and prophets are to prophesy. LCG’s position is that it has NO prophets (which is likely the case as I stopped attending late on 12/28/12).

But it should be noted that its top leader had repeatedly taught in the past that God may consider Bob Thiel to be a prophet...

Thiel then set himself up as the third Elijah  The problem is that Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack and Ron Wienland have already claimed that they are.  How can the "true church" have sooooo many end-time Elijah's?

Dexter Wakefield continued with:

“Prophets” in the sense of Elijah are rare, 

True. But rare does not mean that there are not and cannot be any. Now while Dexter Wakefield did not make that error, many in various COGs have concluded that rare means none. The New Testament is clear that God has prophets who prophesy (1 Corinthians 12:28-30) and will do so in the last days (Acts 2:17-18). Those in LCG and all other COGs need to realize this. 

As far as ‘Elijah,’ the position of the Church of God since the beginning is that there would be three biblical ‘Elijahs.’ The original Elijah (e.g. 1 Kings 17:1), John the Baptist (Matthew 7:12-13), and an Elijah to come at the very end of the church age (Malachi 4:4-6) to restore all things (Matthew 17:11).

Thiel continues:

CG has taught that Elijah will either be a man younger than its Roderick C. Meredith (Meredith, Roderick C. The Elijah Question. VTE 131, May 19, 2001) or that the Elijah is not a person but an “Elijah-type work” which fulfills the Elijah prophesies in Matthew 17:10-11 and Malachi 4:4-6 (Winnail D. The Mission of the Church. Living Church News, March-April 2006, p. 7). The Bible shows that ‘Elijah’ will be a person (see also The Elijah Heresies). 

As far as rarity goes, I would ask, “How many people were told by an actual top evangelist in the Church of God that God may consider him to be a prophet?” In the 20th and 21st centuries, there is only one who comes to mind. So, while prophets are “rare,” and being told one is a prophet by an ordained evangelist is also rare, rarity does not mean that there are none. 

As far as “Elijah” goes, he is to “restore all things” (Matthew 17:11).

One guess as to who that third Elijah is... 

We also get to the point where we see what is really still eating at Thiel's soul.  He was rejected by his daddy, Rod Meredith.  Because of that rejection Thiel HAD to start his own church.

The truth about early and apostolic Christians is that it is PROVABLY NOT IN LCG AND IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT than Dr. Meredith realizes. When I was in LCG in 2011, I was trying to help them restore much of it; Dr. Meredith agreed, but then failed to keep his word. Dr. Meredith’s failure to keep his word on that and other matters was a major reason that the Continuing Church of God had to form.

I used to think Dave Pack and the Flurry clan were the biggest liars in the Church of God, but no longer. Everything that comes out of Thiel's mouth is a lie.  God no more appointed Thiel to lead a church than he did Dave Pack or Gerald Flurry.  No double blessing, no dreams, no prophetic truth, no mindless rants of of assumed titles.  Nothing credible comes from this delusional man.

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An Open Letter To All Splinter Ministers

Special Announcement #22 July 2013

By Dave Pack 

Important Questionnaire

A crucial series of questions present themselves before every shepherd of any rank. As you read, think hard—very, very hard!—about your original calling to serve in one or more offices under the sure guidance and direction of Christ as Head of His Church. Ask yourself each difficult question today’s circumstances require you to answer. Do not permit yourself to look away from hard realities now confronting all of God’s ­people.

In every age of His Church, Christ’s sheep have needed shepherds. Those with special leadership training and experience from the past will be held accountable in a greater way than all others (Jms. 3:1-2). Dereliction of duty by those “to whom much was given” will mean that “much will be required” of them some day (Luke 12:48). Take a deep breath and think of yourself standing before the “judgment seat” of Christ (II Cor. 5:10). You will be FORCED to give answers to HIM then if you are unwilling to demand them of YOURSELF ­now.

The millions constituting the physical remnant of modern Israel returning from captivity are foretold to come “weeping and loathing themselves” for having rejected God’s Way (Jer. 50:4-5; Ezek. 6:8-9). What about the spiritual remnant, who once knew that Way, but largely left it? Will/does this describe you? Read the above verses, and then read the following questions slowly, carefully and prayerfully. They are the biggest way that the ministry should “consider their ways.” Consider writing out the answers:

(1) Retirement—Mr. Armstrong taught that retirement is not an option for a true minister.

• Did you retire? If so, when, and why did you think yourself an exception?

(2) Non-Career—Mr. Armstrong taught that “going non-career” is not an option for a true minister.

• Did you do this? If so, why did you think yourself an exception?

(3) Established Doctrine and Tradition

• In what doctrines or traditions do you believe Mr. Armstrong “got it wrong”? (Include all areas—bespecific.)

(4) Did you actively resist false doctrine in your ministry?—or give safe sermons where you disagreed? (Be specific.)

• During the liberal years of the 1970s?
• In the WCG in the late 1980s and early 90s?
• In your splinter or splinters?

(5) On each doctrine where you came to agree with God’s enemies—either Joe Tkach, those who assisted his destruction or your splinter leader—why did you agree?

(6) Why should you still be considered for the ministry in God’s Church?

• Why should God’s flock ever again be entrusted to your care?
• Are you prepared to re-win brethren’s trust, including brethren now here whom you will likely also pastor? What about re-winning the trust of Headquarters?

(7) Did you actively pursue where God’s Truth, Church, Work, College and Government were found?

• If not, why not? Be specific.
• If so, how hard? Be specific.

(8) Have you read or viewed any of our Splinter Explanation Packet material?

• What items? Ÿ Did you at any time hear my “30 Reasons” sermons of 1993 and 1994? (Parts 1, 2 or 3?)

(9) Do you now believe again that Christ works solely through one unified organization?

(10) In light of government(s) you followed, how do you see God’s government today?

(11) Have you returned to believing that Mr. Armstrong was the final Zerubbabel?

(12) Have you returned to believing that truth only enters the Church through apostles as Mr. Armstrong said so often?

(13) Do you believe I Corinthians 12:18 applies to you with no qualifications added?

(14) Do you believe there can be exceptions to I Corinthians 1:10 and 13—regarding members or ministers in the Church?

(15) Are you willing to temporarily or permanently become an associate pastor?

(16) Are you willing to be excluded from the ministry until you requalify?

(17) Are you familiar with the new teachings that God has added to His Church on top of what Mr. Armstrong taught?

• Which ones?—and do you agree?

(18) If your ordination(s) is(are) invalid, are you interested in being re-trained for Christ’s true ministry?

(19) Do you believe ministers should be able to voice opinions to others about:

• Where Headquarters is “wrong”?
• What Mr. Armstrong taught/said/did “wrong”?
• What Mr. Pack teaches/says/does “wrong”?
• Where your boss is “wrong” or harsh, etc.?
• Where you disagree doctrinally?

(20) Do you consider yourself as having been (rate yourself from 5 being best to 0 being worst):

• Weak
• Cowardly
• Slothful
• Covetous
• Confused
• Compromising
• Foolish
• Political (And did you ever “run for office” in a splinter?)
• Heretical
• Deceitful
• Easily deceived
• Betrayed your calling

(21) Why did you lose the ability to “discern good from evil” (Heb. 5:13-14)?—and for so long?

(22) What do you consider to be your ministerial rank?

Ÿ Evangelist Ÿ Pastor Ÿ Preaching Elder Ÿ Local Elder Ÿ Local Church Elder Ÿ “Elder” Ÿ Ministerial Assistant

(23) Are you prepared to dedicate the rest of your life to serving God’s flock and fixing completely the horrific mess you helped cause in so many lives?

(24) In light of how you once saw Mr. Armstrong, do you still recognize the fruits of a true apostle when you see one?

• If you say yes, why did you follow Joe Tkach until he destroyed everything?

(25) Describe your spiritual condition today. (Also, rate your temperature from 0-10, with 10 the highest.)

(26) What 5 biggest lessons did you learn from and since the apostasy? (In order of importance.)

(27) How many times did you fast for 24 hours (or more) before answering these questions?

(28) How many times have you prayed over Psalm 51 on your knees?

(29) Having now long abandoned many doctrines you said you would never leave, how would you convince Headquarters that this time you “mean it” if you intend to now “hold fast” (Rev. 3:11)?

(30) What have been your pastoral actions during the troubles of recent weeks and months?

(31) Are you prepared to spend a full year (or more) catching up with all you must unlearn, relearn, and learnnew?

(32) What personal responsibility do you feel for the deplorable condition into which God’s people have sunk?

(33) How would you prove that you are still Spirit-led?—or were ever Spirit-led?

(34) What date did you leave the WCG, and why did you remain beyond May 1995, if this is the case?

(35) What did you do after reading the article “God’s People Back Together—SOON!”?

In due course, you will be asked to fill out a questionnaire that looks very similar to this list.

*No answers that are blank, “I’m not sure” or short responses will then be permitted.

*All wives should answer the questions, including every point applicable. (Some are obviously to be skipped.)

*Aware of recent history, and the lies and deceit of so many men and leaders, DO NOT LIE TO YOURSELF!

*You are encouraged not to discuss or in any way share your answers with anyone other than God and your spouse.

Your Leaders

If you want your ministry to continue, think carefully about the men you currently support. To pooh-pooh this announcement is to risk your calling. Think it through. The leaders of your organization cannot give you eternal life. They will soon be unable to even continue your employment as a pastor or associate pastor. I will reference in the final two announcements how God will deal with certain leaders. As we leave Haggai for other books and passages, the prophecy is about to grow MUCH more serious.

Be careful you do not write me off as another “prophecy kook.” I am not a prophet and have never claimed to be. The fruits of my office show it to be different. With the passing of years, most ministers have grown confused about even some of the very biggest points of prophecy. Almost all have grown even worse with the details. Be careful you do not quickly dismiss a complex prophecy, one you are no longer equipped to readilygrasp. Just think about how you probably could not even remember that Mr. Armstrong was the Zerubbabel of Haggai and Zechariah 4—never mind WHAT THIS MEANT.

Some or many ministers may be torn over these announcements, wondering if I could be right. Haggai is a book in your Bible! His prophecy WILL soon come to pass. No other explanation of it fits—and none but Gerald Flurry is even offering an explanation. (When has that man gotten ANYTHING about prophecy right?)

Your leaders once claimed to be searching for God’s servant. One was sent! Yet humanly I am no more special than any of you. God’s pattern of government starts with ONE LEADER. You once believed this. You also once professed to know an apostle when you saw one—meaning by the fruits. Just like you did not ask to become a minister of Jesus Christ, I did not ask for my responsibilities. Who would? But God’s flock is before us, along with the greatest Work the world has ever seen.

Will you rise to the challenge?

You may soon find yourself pastoring larger or much larger numbers of brethren after reunification. God’s Church will again enjoy more and larger congregations around the world. This means greater service and greater reward—for you and those you serve. Do not jeopardize this!