Dave Pack: It Is Confusing As We Are Exiting Confusion. We Are Returning To Simplicity

Dave Pack says his current string of teachings is returning back to first century simplicity and that he is exiting confusion.  What??????  Seriously?  Unfortunately he is not done being simple.

Now a lot of what I am explaining and beginning today, I’m simply going to explain in greater detail, but it’s what the Church always believed. Because we are looking at so many fascinating and detailed things, it became the natural time to explain an awful lot of things in detail that the Church did believe, but never got into detail, because we were never forced to look at certain things. But what we are learning has forced us to do a lot of that. And so, for those of you who are newer or older in the Church—particularly, those of you who are older in the Church—there’s an awful lot that I am teaching that’s exactly like what we taught. We just never broke it down and sifted it like wheat in looking at it.

I will submit that we are exiting confusion, and the process can be a little confusing, and we are returning to first century simplicity. And believe me, the journey is not done. Staggering things are still ahead that I am going to explain to you. We are not leaving simplicity that was right; we are leaving a simplicity in error that, ultimately, involves what you may come to believe are giant tweaks of our understanding.

Giant tweaks is putting it mildly.

Dave Pack: I am going to ask Christ About Facebook...It is the tool of the Devil!!!!!

Dave Pack is NOT happy that ministers in various COG's are on Facebook.  FB is the tool of the devil.  Dave is so irritated by ministers using FB that when Jesus Christ walks onto the Wadsworth compound he is going to to walk right up to Jesus Christ and ask him about Facebook. His "christ" is going to tell him to throw FB down the toilet.

Now, God is upset with the ministers. We saw that…Haggai 2 and Malachi 2, “And now, O you priests”…That’s a different group than the “sons of Levi.” It’s a longer discussion, but they’re not completely the cause of the atrocious spiritual condition of thousands of people in 400 groups. They’re not. They’re a big part of it, but people are big boys and girls. They go get a tattoo—they did it themselves. They break the Sabbath, commit adultery, go on Facebook and just celebrate vanity—look at me, look at me, look at me. I’ll tell you what, I’m going to ask Christ…But when the kingdom is established, He’ll tell us Facebook should be flushed down the toilet. There’s nothing on Facebook that you should ever do publicly. It’s a tool directly of the devil. Now, if you can use it privately in some way, fine. But here’s Facebook, let me summarize it—me, me, me, me, me, me, me—everybody, see me—see me. See how wonderful I am. See my pictures. See everything about me, me, me, me, me—that’s Facebook. Now, those are its good points. You want me to give you the bad points? [laughter]

Dave Pack: Jesus is coming in "spirit" clouds shaped like a chariot with fire to scorch the earth (except for Wadsworth compound)

For many years various ministers in the church taught that the Pasadena campus was so extraordinary that when the invading armies of Germany came over here that they would be sooooooooo amazed at the sheer beauty of the Pasadena campus that they would never allow it to be bombed or destroyed.  In fact, they would take over the campus and use it to their headquarters.  A headquarters where they would design concentration campus, sell Americans off to be slaves of the Europeans and organize other atrocities while enjoying some wonderful music in the Ambassador Auditorium    Of course this all happens while the church is in Petra being protected by a cloud over the entire area so that the European Union armies cannot bomb it due to the fact that God's special people were holed up there.

Now the second most amazing campus in the entire universe is going to be protected from the wrath of Jesus and war.  Jesus is returning to Wadsworth there He operates the First Dominion from Dave's Hall of Ad.

“Bless the LORD, O my soul, O LORD my God, you are very great; you are clothed with honor and majesty. [This is a description of God.] You cover yourself with light as with a garment: who stretched out the heavens like a curtain: Who lays the beams of his chambers in the waters: who makes the clouds his chariot…” (Psa. 104:1-3).

You’ve got a couple of possibilities. What clouds?…Cirrus? Stratus? Nimbus? Cumulus?…Back to ninth grade science there…I know some of those get mixed in. You can have some of them work as a hybrid…or are they the “clouds of heaven?” Well, they have to be the clouds of heaven. First of all, these are clouds that can move at the speed of thought, so these are divine clouds. They are spirit clouds. They are not clouds from Earth. Now, if they are, since Christ travels in clouds, He has to travel to Earth, drop off His clouds and pick up some locals…[laughter] You understand? I’m not trying to be funny here. I’m just trying to tell you, you have to think through. Because remember, we are going to see some verses when Christ comes to the earth, it says He comes with the clouds of heaven. So it’s not the clouds of this first heaven. There are no clouds that I know of in the second heaven. But He makes the clouds His chariot. Now this is fascinating…

Are these billowy clouds? Well, they’re not like clouds we’ve seen. So the best you can probably speculate…That’s all it would be…these are chariot-shaped clouds. If they are not, we don’t know. But they are spirit clouds. They’re the clouds of heaven, unless in the third heaven, they have clouds that can rain or look like the clouds of Earth…and if that happens, then I guess we’ll learn. But those clouds all have substance in them. I’ve never heard anything…Mr. Armstrong has never said there is anything in the third heaven that’s not spirit…everything is spirit. So these would be spirit clouds…and that’s kind of an interesting thing, because there are many other places that talk about Christ coming. Remember in Acts 1 and verse 6…verse 9, he was taken up by a cloud…

“When he had spoken these things, while they beheld, [Acts 1:9] he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.” Now…I’m going to show you later, that can be a cloud or clouds. But it says a cloud received Him out of their sight.

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First of all, let’s imagine it’s incredibly hot fire…Is this a question for us someday when Christ comes to His Temple? It would scorch everything, even if it was regular fire. You would have to have it far away. If it came to this campus, or stood over the tabernacle…bye-bye tabernacle…very fast…unless it’s a fire the size of a match and then it might burn a little bit of it or something, and nobody would see it. So it’s a pillar of fire. So I would submit to you that it’s fire that does not consume unless God wants it to.

I would submit to you, unless there’s some other verse you can turn, to these are divine clouds and divine fire that will not burn or do not carry moisture. It isn’t Christ brings…Well, if My fire gets out of hand, I’d better have some clouds with moisture to kind of calm Myself down. You see? I’m trying to make it facetious a little bit. This is the sign of the son of man, and…it’s what we’re waiting for. Over and over and over again, as I said earlier, the apostles told the brethren to wait for Jesus Christ. And we get a little bit of the picture here…There a little, here a little, there a little…you put it all together…we’re waiting for quite a picture.

And now you have a bigger idea of what’s coming, and why the campus won’t be scorched, and There will not be rain out of these clouds…and why it works day and night. Are these clouds that glow during the day in some way? The answer, brethren, is I would not speculate. Christ made clouds—they may be chariots that can be turned into clouds. Wouldn’t it be interesting if it was a giant chariot? I have no idea. It says it’s a column, so I doubt that. But I’m just going to tell you these are not clouds from Earth. It says He comes from the clouds of heaven, and Daniel 7:13 says those clouds are in the third heaven. And you have to have Him…He’s like a bus commuter…He takes the bus a certain distance, gets off with His ticket and takes another bus. And I just leave you to think about that—for multiple reasons.