Dave Pack: "Evil Men Will Post This Online"

 

Evil Men

 

The Headquarters of The Restored Church of God announced Monday, “If we are here on Wednesday, Mr. Pack plans…”

 

That did not happen, you believing dopes.

 

Since we were still here on Thursday, David C. Pack delivered “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 417)” to a paid audience. In case late-comers did not know, the RCG staff are required to listen to Dave while on the clock during the week. Trust me, that is little compensation.

 

If we are here on Saturday, here is a summary of Part 417 from February 2, 2023:

 

The 1335 of Daniel began imperceptibly last Thursday.

The Kingdom of God arrives Tuesday, February 7.

The Great Tribulation starts on March 12.

The Day of the Lord is still March 22.

A mistranslation opened a can of worms.

Three Shepherds of Zechariah 11 are identified. Kinda.

The Series is over.

Evil men will post this online.

 

 

The most inflammatory comments were at the end of the Bible study.

@ 1:55:18 So, I'm expecting next Tuesday, and I know there are enemies among us who are dead men walking. Maybe you only need one. And they’ll post it to evil men. Don’t worry about it. It may shake some people. Don’t worry about it…it’s gonna go online. There are people, the wicked don’t understand and they’ll commit suicide in two seconds.

 

This intrigues and confuses me.

 

How is accurately posting a message of the gospel of the coming Kingdom of God that Jesus Christ commissioned to be spread to the entire world before He ascended to heaven be perceived as being done by enemies?

 

What actions or character qualities gain anyone the designation of being evil?

 

The information seeping past the front gate of RCG is accurate. Not rumors. Not distortions. So, how are David C. Pack’s own words an attack on David C. Pack? How can what the Pester General said to his church be an attack on his church?

 

Further confusion comes because Dave recently stated he WANTED this information to go public.

 

Part 414 – January 14, 2023

@ 1:25:10 Why would God show us Abib 1 in a definitive way? Absolutely inarguable. I don’t care what any enemy knows. I hope the whole world hears it.

 

And yet, when it does, he bitches and complains about it.

 

Perhaps the statement in Part 414 was uttered in the heat of the moment. He was either insincere or just lying. I do not know the man's heart, but based on his patterns, trusting him is a fool's errand.

 

David C. Pack is not a man of his word. And he is also prone to uncomfortable misspeaks.

 

Part 417 – February 2, 2023

@ 1:55:39 And just know that you’re we’re all the ones committing suicide. So, don’t worry about that. Once this is out, it’s gonna be interesting. Maybe it’ll be quiet. Or maybe we’ll find out there’s some reason the devil’s at my right hand when it all starts. I don’t know.

 

Leaving The Restored Church of God is viewed as suicide. The stubborn people who leave with their bad attitudes are perceived as having a death wish and lacking patience.

 

After listening to this statement about ten times, I finally think I get what Dave was trying to say. He meant to say, “The people who leave commit suicide while thinking WE in RCG are the ones committing suicide.”

 

His piss-poor verbal skills make nothing he says “plain” anymore. The Spirit of Error has infected his tongue along with his brain.

 

 

The 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 began last Thursday for the members of The Restored Church of God. The invisible, silent, intangible event signals they are blessed and “made it” if they have the right attitude.

 

@ 19:37 What you’re gonna hear absolutely confirms in every way that the 1335, now over a week behind us, is in play.

 

David C. Pack is not a goodman.

 

@ 1:20:34 “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” If you made it here over a week ago, that’s your status.

 

An enemy and evil man would want the members of RCG to believe this. Especially after everyone has already seen this cheap hat trick before.

 

Part 394 – September 24, 2022

@ 39:15 So, you’re blessed when you get to a day. At 11:33 tomorrow, you’ve made it. That doesn’t mean you receive eternal life. But you're not gonna wait 15 days to find out, "Oh, I guess we were blessed back there a couple weeks ago." That was always ridiculous.

 

Part 398 – October 10, 2022

@ 24:24 So, once you know the 1335, you could never know in any future year once you hit it if it were true. If it doesn't happen this year. It has to apply this year, or it's not a metric.

 

@ 25:31 If you’re at the Feast of Tabernacles, you made it!

 

Part 402 – October 25, 2022

@ 1:27:01 God’s will has been done. You made it to the 1335. The pledge is made on the (dare I say?) the correct 1335.

 

Part 403 – November 11, 2022

@ 1:17:18 We have not hit the 1335. It does not apply to us.

 

Part 406 – November 26, 2022

@ 43:15 Not when those sorta be blessed because, you know, they passed some mile marker they didn’t know they passed or hoped they passed. Or maybe their, “I’m blessed. Do you feel blessed?”

 

He is so bad at this even Simon Magus would be ashamed of his protégé.

 

I would not believe David C. Pack if he told me he was out of milk.

 

Part 417 – February 2, 2023

@ 1:04:01 So, I’m gonna make this plain. And is so doing, show you you absolutely were settled a bit over a week ago.

 

The wishy-washy 1335 never seems to get pinned down correctly, even when we are living inside it. When I left The Restored Church of God in March 2021, we were "in the midst" of the 1335. I told Bradford Schleifer and Dr. Timothy Ranney to their faces that I did not believe that because God does not operate with imperceptible fulfillment. I told them that, eventually, Dave would teach it had not started yet. Guess what?

 

Time proved me to be a true unordained non-prophet/non-psychic even way back then.

 

The people of The Restored Church of God are not "settled" no matter how often Dave repeats it. In the coming days, he will be forced to recant that teaching like he has done before. Do not be shocked when it happens. If you are shocked, then I fear for you.

 

 

Dave must be concerned about the brethren tithe-payers leaving in a continuous trickle. He makes a false statement, then immediately walks it back and walks it back and walks it back.

 

Watch.

 

Part 417 – February 2, 2023

@ 1:48:22 Now, I should just comment and I'm not aware of people leaving since the 1335. It wouldn't surprise me, though.

 

This means Edward Winkfield forgot to tell Dave a key Headquarters staff person left last Friday on day 1334 of his imaginary 1335 that will be rescinded later. Or maybe Dave just forgot that insignificant detail.

 

@ 1:48:29 I’ve heard of some that had terrible attitudes and dropped out, sorta right as it came. One or two, maybe.

 

At first, he was unaware, and in the next breath, it was one or maybe two. When Dave says "two maybe," there must be more.

 

I know of two people who left in the last two weeks. A field member. A Headquarters employee. I knew them both personally when I was attending. Ask Edward Winkfield and Brian Jackson for confirmation.

 

I am sure the "terrible attitudes" had to do with Dave being a false prophet, addressed in Deuteronomy 18 and when retired RCG literature is quoted. The words of David C. Pack eviscerate David C. Pack.

 

The man is his own worst enemy. His mouth produces his biggest headaches, not other people.

 

The “terrible attitudes” include bringing up uncomfortable topics like failed dates and empty promises. Teasing the brethren that they made it, but oops, not really. Taking the Lord's name in vain. Doctrinal understanding sways like the breeze day to day. The man contradicts himself week to week. He says he would “never” and then does it. He admits God blinded him, he spoke presumptuously, and he taught the Kingdom of God would arrive every single month since June of 2022.

 

Bringing any of that up screams “terrible attitude” to the weak and cowardly “ministers” of The Restored Church of God. The days of oil and honey are over for those guys.

 

 

Dave rarely passes up a good opportunity for fear-mongering.

 

@ 1:48:37 But, here’s what it says to the 1335. So, just a caution in case we have people who leave. Who commit suicide in the next few days. Those going first must adhere. They must hold to the 1335.

 

@ 1:50:52 And you could still have people who drop out who entered the 1335, and they were not adhering to all the standards I'd been teaching in preparing a people for the Lord. So, the fact that somebody was here last Thursday at 10:07 in the morning and they're still here, or they dropped out after it (one or two), duddn't mean anything.

 

Members of The Restored Church of God: Do not listen to my words. Listen to the words of David C. Pack. He tells you precisely what kind of man he is. What he is. Who he is. If you get in trouble for quoting the Pastor General, take that as a clear warning as to the direction of RCG and the mindset running the show.

 

While referring to his new understanding of the 1335, Dave admits he has taught the Kingdom would come for six months. He cannot keep a straight face because he knows how absurd it is when he says it out loud.

Why six months of prophetic fraud and biblical negligence is fodder for a humorous moment exposes a sick and ignorant mind.

 

It is certainly no laughing matter for members eager to see their deceased loved ones, Dave.

 

@ 1:23:18 I wanted to believe at the end, "Well, the 1335 touch the day. It would be salvation." But I'd heard myself in all the other verses. It's just that, you know, if you think it's Elul, then you think it's Tishrei, then you think it's Cheshvan, then you think it's Kislev, it's surely Tevet. And then you get to, you know, along about the middle of Shevat, you wonder if that's the way it works. Well, yes, it is. Now I would never doubt again.

 

Oh, yes, he will. He will doubt and teach against the very thing he stands on today. He will be forced to because time always proves him to be wrong.

 

Watch his tune change before Tuesday morning. There will be something we missed.

 

 

David C. Pack is blind with his eyes wide open. His big pie hole will not shut, either.

 

Supreme Blindness Alert:

Probably…the Synagogue of Satan prepping the world to follow the wrong god who has a 10-day shelf life.

 

The shelf life of David C. Pack is known only to God. How long this can continue or what the end of these things shall be is unknown.

 

The people trapped inside The Restored Church of God are living in fear. Fear is the most common element present today. I hear it directly from those who reach out. I hear it from friends of friends.

 

How long can a church organization survive when that is the glue keeping people stuck to their seats?

 

People of The Restored Church of God: You are not alone. Leaving that corporate entity is not a death sentence. The Bible does not say this.

 

While you remain, do you feel a great sense of peace, or are you troubled?

 

Are you certain what you hear today will be taught tomorrow?

 

Do you dread the voice of David C. Pack or marvel at God's mind filtered through a trustworthy man's mouth?

 

What primarily motivates your continued attendance, love or fear?

 

That should speak volumes.

 

That should also tell you where the evil men really are.

Mark Cebrian

See: Evil Men

 

Pretend COG False Prophet Has Another Melt Down Over Other COG False Prophets

 

Our most highly favored self-appointed prophet to the Churches of God, in this latter-day dispensation, got his holistic knickers in a major twist last night after he read an article on this blog about Wade Cox and his 2028 millennium prediction. Nothing infuriates a COG false prophet more than another COG false prophet making a prediction that they did not think of. When that person does the daggers come out swinging, labeling the other person a false prophet, and that "true" COG members should be wary of them. The dual-minded false prophet, Bob,  tries to bring Jesus into the mix to justify his words of wisdom, which is about the only time the Dude ever gets mentioned.

The great Bwana writes:

...There is no possibility that the millennium can begin before 2030. Wade Cox will be proven wrong on this. Certain events that Jesus pointed to have not yet occurred which render Wade Cox’s dates impossible. 

Just like all of Thiel's predictions are impossible. 

Some have been critical of me pointing out false predictions from people who claim to be Church of God, but who are probably not truly COG, but instead are false. 

Bob is not truly the Church of God and is indeed false! He self-appointed himself after Rod Meredith humiliated him and that did not sit well with Bob. After a couple decades of being ignored and made fun of by LCG leaders, Bob had to set on on his own. God, Christ, dreams, etc, had nothing to do with Bob's self-appointment. Only his vanity and supercharged narcissistic ego did that.  

My normal response to such is to mention how Jesus dealt with religious leaders (Matthew 7:15-23) and/or Laodiceans (Revelation 3:14-19). If the claims seem improperly prophetic or exceptionally bold, I tend to cite 2 Peter 2:1-3. 

 

Should we be concerned about false and heretical leaders? Should they always be ignored? Should we focus on the positive about them? What did Jesus do? What does the Bible teach? 

Absolutely! That's why this blog, The Painful Truth, and others regularly bring to light the lies of Bob. There is nothing positive about the guy when his ultimate works are evil to the core.  Providing laptops. seeds, animals, etc. to impoverished Africans is negated by the heretical lies he preaches.

Many people do not seem to understand what Jesus was really like and what He really taught.
While it is true He taught, “love your enemies” and to “pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you” (Matthew 5:44), it is a misunderstanding to believe that Jesus taught that one could never point out the problems of religious enemies (and yes, we should still pray for them).

The Great Bwana then went on to quote Jesus when he is describing deceptive men like Bob Thiel in the Church of God:

Jesus often taught to beware of religious leaders. Notice:

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness! (Matthew 7:15-23, NKJV throughout unless otherwise indicated).

Elijah Ben Thiel continues:

False leaders do not produce good fruit. Many of them tend to encourage lawlessness (though they would almost all deny that). Those that follow them risk being cast out by Jesus. 

 

Notice that Jesus is saying to look at their fruits and that even if they appear to be doing miracles in Jesus’ name, if they promote lawlessness, they are not true Christians.

This may look all appropriate as what Jesus said, but what Bob is actually doing here is setting you up for him stating later on that HE and only HE is doing a fruitful work in this age.

The Great Bwana then has to drag in Norm Edwards once again as an instrument to justify his prophetic mantle and his asinine dreams. Norm Edwards is no more a source of godly wisdom and truth than Dave Pack is, but as long as Norm's words can be twisted by Bob to justify his dreams then, Hell yes! Let's use him!

Consider the following from former GCG board member Norman Edwards:

Eph 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 

 

1Th 5:19-21 Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. 

 

1Tim 1:18 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 

 

1Tim 4:14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 

 

2Tim 3:1-2, 5 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be… lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 

 

Do people today have faith that God is able to prophecy through people in their congregations? 

 

1Jo 4:1-2 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 

 

Note: If there were no true prophets, there would be no need to “test the spirits”—because every prophet would be a “false prophet”. But because there are both true prophets and false prophets, we need to “test the spirits”. (Edwards N. Need Prophets More than Prophecy. Shepherd’s Voice, Fall 2013) 

 

So, do not be quick to consider the good to be bad. If you truly have God’s Spirit and really strive to be a Philadelphian Christian, you will actually believe that God’s word says there will be prophets and dreams from Him in the last days per Acts 2:17-18

The Great Bwana ends with this:

Do not follow false teachers. Do not presume, however, someone is false because an accuser of the brethren lumps him/her in with the false. 

 

Remember, the Apostle Paul wrote:

19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil. (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22) 

 

So, in addition to avoiding the bad, do not overlook the good.  

 

Have your really tested all things? 

 

Or have you relied on traditions and feeling?

Bob is a false teacher. He quenches the spirit by forcing his followers to observe old covenant laws they don't need instead of following the ONE they should be following. Just look at how Bob's leaders in Africa slobber all over him when they mention him. Jesus is no more a part of their conversations than the New Covenant is.

Bob has been tested and found wanting!  The Living Church of God members understood this as did Rod Meredith and 99.97% of the COG membership!

If you have bad feelings about Bob then there is justification for that. Stay away! Far away!

The COG Tradition of Appropriating Prophecies Intended for Israel

 

Is It Appropriate to Appropriate Prophecies Intended for Israel?

Alright, so you've demonstrated that Armstrong's brand of Anglo-Israelism is NOT consistent with Scripture, but what about America as a type of Israel? After all, didn't the founders of the United States see themselves as God's "chosen" people? And didn't they regard themselves as planting a "Christian" nation in the wilderness of a new "Promised Land"? Isn't it reasonable to assume that God would hold the United States and its leaders to the same standard that he instituted for ancient Israel and its leaders? Haven't the English-speaking nations of the world embraced Israel's Bible and been its greatest proponents around the globe? So, isn't the entire question of whether or not the English-speaking peoples of the earth are the physical descendants of Abraham irrelevant?

Herbert Armstrong and his followers have traditionally regarded Anglo-Israelism as the key to understanding Bible prophecy. Indeed, they think that this "understanding" gives them a "prophetic advantage" over all other Christians! Moreover, these folks have used this teaching to justify their focus on the English-speaking folks of the earth! Hence, we should not be surprised that Armstrongites would be extremely reluctant to give up something which has proven to be one of their trademarks - one of the things that has set them apart from the crowd!

However, it is as they say: extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. In order for someone or something to by a type of someone or something, there must be some clear and convincing parallels/similarities between the two. Hence, it is entirely appropriate to point out that the United States is very different from ancient Israel. To begin with, there are the obvious differences between a Bronze-Iron Age, agrarian-based economy and a modern, industrialized, technologically advanced nation. The big differences relative to size of the population, territory, and military power of the two nations is also rather glaring. Likewise, Israel was an absolute monarchy with a state religion, and the United States is a democratic republic which has eschewed the establishment of a state religion. Israel was a party to a formal covenant/agreement with God and was subject to the terms outlined in the Torah, and the United States is governed by a constitution which is more in the nature of a contract/covenant between the people and their government. Israel was subject to the imperialism of its much stronger neighbors throughout its history as a nation, while the United States has actively participated in the Imperialism which engulfed the Western World in the 19th and 20th Centuries! Israel was guilty of idolatry and breaking the terms of their covenant with God, and the United States has been accused of killing its unborn, tolerating homosexuality, and racism by its critics. In other words, there are some very profound differences between the ancient nation of Israel and the modern nation of the United States!

What about the similarities in the religious and political leadership of ancient Israel compared to that of the United States? Aren't the abuses of power, lying, hypocrisy, wickedness, and bad examples exhibited by the leaders of ancient Israel also present in the religious and political leadership of the United States? Yes, but couldn't we characterize the leadership of every other country on the face of the earth in exactly the same way? Moreover, very unlike ancient Israel, the people of the United States can periodically vote to remove their leaders and replace them.

In terms of the Hebrew Bible, we should also point out that the entire Western World has adopted that book! Hence, the suggestion that the United States and other English-speaking nations are unique in this regard is shown to be absurd. Indeed, Christianity has the MOST adherents of any other religion on the face of the earth! Also, in this connection, we must not forget that Judaism is an active religion, and that a nation of Jews named "Israel" currently exists within the boundaries of the ancient nation of the same name!

I would also point out that one of the primary rules of biblical interpretation is CONTEXT. How do we justify taking something that was clearly addressed to a particular people in a specific time and place and applying it to someone else in another time and place? Moreover, if we are serious about trying to find a place for the United States in the context of biblical prophecy, isn't the Babylonian/Beast system of the book of Revelation infinitely more appropriate? Take a look at Babylon as a prophetic template and let me know what you think!

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix