One of those rare times I shout "Hallelujah!"
Record Low water, low tide and there she is! Net sinker or perhaps something else but number 11 I discovered, and I have an eye for such things. It reflects my woulda, coulda and shoulda sense that I'd have been better off a paleontologist instead of a Eternal Life Insurance Agent :)
Growing up in the Dutch Reformed Church, I never heard any authentically and well trained pastor be anything else in their own minds than just that, a pastor. All of the ones who spoke in the Church of my youth were graduates of the Westminster Theological Seminary in Baltimore, MD. It never crossed anyone's mind to see themselves as an "Apostle", "Prophet", "That Prophet", "Elijah to Come", "Messenger of the Covenant", "Joshua the High Priest" or one if not both of the Two Witnesses. Note: Personally, in the Church of God, I have met 23 of them
To do so would have met with howls of disbelief and the IMMEDIATE dismissal of such a man from the pulpit or any consideration in the ministry. They would have been seen for what they actually were...delusional.
No sanely trained man or women in the actual NT Gospel would ever see themselves spoken of in the scripture. Their career would be short, and I am sure medical and psychological counseling would be both demanded and provided if they ever hoped to re-enter the ministry of my mainstream Christian denomination.
Only when I came into the Worldwide Church of God did that change, and an emphasis was put on a scripture that was not generally paid much attention to in the Church of my youth. At least not all of it and they had theological and historical reasons not to do so.
Ephesians 4:11-13- And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work.However, in WCG and now magnified in the splits, splinters and slivers, which with the Restored Church of God under Dave Pack and the Continuing Church of God under Dr Robert Thiel, which are, slivers, the concept has gone bat shit crazy in application. Gerald Flurry and Ron Weinland along with "a few other leading loons" also fit the type. It seems WCG drew such personalities that only erupted onto the scene when the time and circumstances were just right for them.
What started with HWA being the ONE Apostle, it's been all downhill from there with men like Dave Pack seeing themselves as spoken of in the scriptures, always the OT ones. If you think someone like Dave Pack won't come to recognize himself as something just short of the Messiah, stay tuned. Delusional thinking creeps upward as each previous title becomes personally unsatisfying to the one wrapped in their own delusions.
The first delusion with religious content that I spotted in WCG for sure was in First Year Bible Class. Rod Meredith said...
"There is God the Father, Jesus Christ, Herbert W Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, MYSELF....and a few other leading evangelists..."
Whoa thinks I! I NEVER heard such talk or placing oneself in such a lofty pecking order. It was my first hint of times and title taking to come... It made me uncomfortable if not somewhat amazed to hear that come out of man's mouth.
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What Are Delusions of Grandeur?
Delusion of grandeur is a false belief in one’s power or importance. It may be a symptom of a mental health disorder and can cause confusion between what is real and what is not.
A delusion is a false belief held by a person. It contradicts reality or what is commonly considered true. The strength of a delusion is based on how much the person believes it.
Specifically, a delusion of grandeur is a person’s belief that they are someone other than who they are, such as a supernatural figure or a celebrity. A delusion of grandeur may also be a belief that they have special abilities, possessions, or powers.
Delusions are generally the result of a mental health disorder. However, not all people with delusions meet the full diagnostic criteria for any mental health disorder.
Many types of mental health disorders classified as psychotic disorders can lead to delusions. These include:
Psychotic disorders can change a person’s sense of reality. They may be unable to tell what is real and what is not.
Any delusion has four main characteristics:
Delusions of grandeur can take many forms, such as beliefs of:
The person with the delusion may believe that they have a secret talent, object, or ability that no one else has or even knows about. For example, they may believe they possess a secret record from Elvis Presley that no one else knows about.
A person with a delusion of grandeur may actually believe that they are a famous person and that the real famous person is an imposter or decoy.
This delusion involves believing in a special and sometimes secret connection or relationship with someone or something important. For example, a person with this delusion of grandeur may believe they are a spy or that they alone are responsible for relaying messages to the president or other world leaders.
A person with a religious-themed delusion of grandeur may believe that they are a religious leader.
(Personal Note: Made even more delusional and grandiose by seeing themselves spoken of in the scriptures and the one true so and so)
Delusions of grandeur can be difficult to identify because the person having them believes the delusion to be true. Also, delusions can be hard to distinguish from what is called an “overvalued idea,” or a belief a person has that isn’t totally accurate, but isn’t exactly a delusion, either.
The key marker of delusions of grandeur is that they are not tied to a person’s experience. So, a person who regularly gambles and believes he is close to winning, even if he’s not, isn’t necessarily delusional. This is because the belief is tied to the action.
A delusion, on the other hand, is usually not related to anything happening in life at the moment. A delusion of grandeur would be more like a belief you can fly or that you are secretly the star of a reality TV show.
A delusion of grandeur is easier to spot if it occurs with other mental health symptoms. Delusions of grandeur are more common with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. If a person has a history of bipolar disorder and has had delusional thoughts in the past, delusions are more likely to happen again.
In some cases, delusions can also be brought on or intensified by the use of substances such as alcohol or marijuana.
Also keep watch for the effects the belief has on the person’s life. If the false belief is so great that it has changed how the person lives life or performs daily activities, it could be a delusion.
Sasha continues:
Now about a lawyer to sue Terry Nelson. Bob Thiel never spared money when it comes to Africa and the false Christians there who cling to him and adulate him because they are constantly being financed by him. So, Bob Thiel is now financing a criminal in Malawi, a criminal on whom the very government of Malawi has a file because for quite some time the government of Malawi has investigated Radson Mulozowa, and has indeed reported to us that Radson Mulozowa was on the run, and they also informed us when they issued the arrest warrant. So, accused criminal and liar in Malawi, Radson Mulozowa, got funds from Bob Thiel to hire a lawyer to defend himself. One has to wonder when such an act of kindness of Bob Thiel was extended to any other CCOG member?
Five years ago, during the Feast in Serbia, I asked him to donate 100 euros for a Church member in Serbia who wanted to dig a well on his property. I was flatly refused. An Australian family that came on brink of bankruptcy could only count on Bob Thiel's prayers for them. Also, a hard-working widow that does so much for CCOG, did not have enough funds to travel to the Feast, but that did not bother Bob Thiel at all. But as soon as an African criminal and witchcraft practitioner was finally arrested by the authorities, here comes "saviour of Africa" to help in prosecution of the man (Terry Nelson) whom he, Bob Thiel, sent in the past to Malawi as his representative. Moreover, Bob Thiel writes to Malawian police that Terry Nelson has no right to investigate any misdeeds of Radson Mulozowa.
Well, just those facts prove to any person who knows the Bible that Bob Thiel not only is not a prophet for the end times, and the one man heading the only one Philadelphian remnant in the world, but that he is a plain sinner without any regard for the holy Word of God. For, the Word of God, in the writings of the apostle Paul, tells us in 1 Thessalonians to be checking (investigating, if you wish) all things and to hold on to what is true. The apostle Paul also tells us in Romans 13 to respect the civil authorities.
In this case, there is a criminal on the run being hunted by the government of his nation for the crimes he committed in his country. So, by supporting him, Bob Thiel is also not heeding Romans 13, besides that his action is defying the common sense. So, he has proven (once again) by his actions and his reasoning that he is certainly not a prophet, and that he defies the Word of God believing to be above it.
