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It's ironic to hear this from one of Armstrongism's top fearmongering false prophets. The self-proclaimed illegitimate prophet, the Great Bwana' Bob Mzungu Thiel, posted today about 10 steps to overcome fear.
Who needs 10 steps to let go of fear? When it comes to Armstrongism, it’s simple: stop listening to con artists like Bob Thiel, and—poof!—fear vanishes!
Thiel’s post is a massive, run-on paragraph with no spacing or formatting. This kind of lazy writing is exactly why nobody bothers reading his nonsense.
Ten Plus Steps to Rid Yourself of Fear Billions of people are afraid for many reasons, including COVID-19. Are any fears good? Are there mindless fears and phobias? Can autosuggestion be deceptive? Can you deal with mental torment? What are some causes of bad dreams (nightmares)? Does Satan try to exploit fears through his lies? Can the weak become strong? Were Christ’s disciples ever fearful? Are there biblical ways to deal with fear? What about spiritual fear and the ‘fear of God’? The late evangelists Dr. Herman Hoeh had an article published in 1955 titled ‘How to Conquer Your Fears?’ What are eight steps from the Apostle Peter? What did Jesus teach about worry? Are most Christians Philadelphian? What did Jesus teach about fear? What is the ultimate biblical fate for cowards? Here is a list of ten steps to help rid yourself of fear: 1. “Whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy — meditate on these things” (Philippians 4:8). Changing your mental focus will help you push out fear. 2. Develop faith. “Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Romans 10:17). 3. Add virtue to your faith in the power of God. You cannot hide your sins from God (cf. Psalm 90:8). 4. Add to virtue knowledge. Study the word of God, study CCOG literature, pay attention to sermons (ContinuingCOG YouTube sermon channel) and sermonettes (BibleNewsProphecy YouTube sermonette channel). 5. Add self-control to knowledge. Resist Satan and his hopes that you will walk by sight instead of faith. 6. Add patience to self-control. You may have to go through many tests and trials to build patience, but as you get through the tests and trials you should have the faith to recognize that God got you through them and that you do not need to fear. 7. Add godliness to patience. 8. Add to patience, brotherly kindness. “Let Philadelphia continue” (Hebrews 13:1). 9. Add to brotherly kindness, love. 10. Be courageous. “He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ” (Philippians 1:6). This is how YOU can conquer your fears and worries! Ask God for help to carry out His ten-fold plan to attain real peace of mind. Then there is also prayer and fasting. Yes, through God’s help you can rid yourself of fear. This sermon by Dr. Thiel covers these topics and more.
The Churches of God, particularly Armstrongist groups led by figures like Bob Thiel and Gerald Flurry, have perfected the use of fear to control members and enforce their unbiblical, fabricated church governance. They manipulate human emotions to maintain power and obedience. Here’s how they do it:
Fear of Divine Punishment: Leaders like Thiel warn that disobedience leads to eternal torment in the "Lake of Fire." They claim only their group offers salvation, tying it to strict adherence to their rules.
Fear of Outsiders: Thiel portrays the outside world as evil, corrupt, and dangerous. This isolates members, fostering distrust of non-members, including family and friends, and making the cult their sole refuge.
Fear of Rejection: Armstrongist groups, including Thiel’s, cultivate dependency by threatening shunning or excommunication for defiance. Members fear losing their identity and face warnings of the "Lake of Fire" for rejecting the leader’s doctrines.
Fear of Doubt: Questioning Thiel’s teachings is framed as a moral failure or betrayal, something that deeply frustrates him. Members are conditioned to fear their own skepticism, stifling critical thinking to avoid guilt or punishment.
Fear of Apocalypse: Armstrongism thrives on doomsday predictions, asserting that only loyal followers will survive events like Armageddon or reach a "Place of Safety." Threats of missing the kingdom or facing eternal punishment create urgency, discouraging independent planning and justifying extreme loyalty.
These tactics form a psychological trap, where fear drowns out reason, ensuring members remain loyal and submissive.
So, if you really want to let go of religious-based fear, stop listening to Church of God ministers and fake church leaders who constantly seek to whip you into a fearful state of mind.
Break the chains that hold you down in fear. Seek freedom.
What is the point of the millennium when you have this kind of teaching? Why would they be teaching the world about the Old Testament when the old ways are done away with and the world is restored to wholeness? Isn't the focus on Christ at this point?
Is the Old Testament Obsolete? Many professing Christians have been told that the Old Testament is only for the Jews and Christians now have the New Testament. However, Jesus taught that we should live “by every word of God” (Luke 4:4), and the Apostle Paul wrote, “AllScripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). Paul even told New Testament Christians in Corinth that Old Testament examples “were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come” (1 Corinthians 10:1–11). In other words, the Old Testament is also for us today! We need to prepare ourselves so that we can explain these inspired Scriptures to the world in the coming Millennial reign of Christ. Have a profitable Sabbath, Douglas S. Winnail
David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God becomes more exhausted with each failed date. Since August 2013, he has demonstrated that he has no idea what he is talking about despite the confident shouting, dramatic pauses, and arrogant sniffing.
The Old and New Testaments align in perfect agreement that the Pastor General of The Restored Church of God is a false prophet, false apostle, and false teacher. Also, being a notable blaspheming liar should have greased the skids out the door, but alas, many sympathize with their captors.
In 2025, between January and June, David C. Pack has given members ten biblical opportunities to flee. Savoring the sweet anticipation that his mockers would soon be gnashing their teeth, David C. Pack confidently taught that the Kingdom of God would arrive to vindicate his divinely ordained efforts on:
January 29 | February 12 & 13 | March 29 | April 11 & 21 | May 22 | June 1, 11, & 20
David C. Pack discovers, studies, teaches with great peace and excitement, gets uncomfortable, makes a new discovery he wishes he had seen earlier, studies the new discovery until 3 AM without a Bible, teaches the new discovery with a renewed peace and confident excitement, and gets even more uncomfortable afterward again.
The Pastor General is a dopamine hustler posing as the Seventh Messenger, ending the Mystery of God.
No human being can forever sustain the mentally and spiritually destructive pattern accepted by the members of The Restored Church of God. David C. Pack may claim to be some great one, but he is just a religious blowhard in his 70s still trying to show his parents and his big sister how special he really is.
Throughout “The Greatest Untold Story,” David C. Pack occasionally suffers from mild forms of self-awareness as his id, ego, and superego oil up, and each one Nuru massage’s their way to dominance. [Q: Don’t look it up.]
The verses about “no man knows the day and hour” have always been there, but they just fade in and out of relevance. Dave will sometimes retreat to a safer prophetic position long enough to catch his breath.
Flashback Part 579 – June 7, 2025 @ 56:48 And then so you you you you begin to think, “Wow, this is. I don't know if we'll ever know.” And it would be easy to throw my hands up and just say, “No man knows the day of the hour.” And oh, do the mockers love to hit me on that.
Just one week later, David C. Pack threw his hands up and said that very thing.
Part 580 – June 14, 2025 @ 47:14 A lot of verses say you can’t figure out or know the hour. And I'm I'm almost to the point, and you'll you'll see at the end where I think you ab–we cannot know. We’re supposta see the day approaching. Not count the days. Took me a long time to get there.
Um. Why do I always have to be the one to remind Dave that he has been here before?
Flashback Part 459 – July 15, 2023 @ 1:25:15 No man knows the day or the hour. That’s kind of a problem. …And it has struck me from time to time when the Bible seems to pull you toward a particular time, and it does. If you nail that day down, it strikes me as particularly arrogant.
Dave got over his arrogantal concern shortly afterward. But two years later, it feels like the first time. It feels like the very first time.
Part 580 – June 14, 2025 @ 58:31 Four times, the Bible says, Christ comes as a thief. And for the first time, I believe I do not know. And it's not just I don't know the hour. I don't know that either. For the first time.However, there's a few more things we can learn about this.
The issue of figuring out and preaching prophetic timing has been settled. Or has it?
Some simple Bible passages are universally understood by the greater Christian community but are a constant challenge for David C. Pack and the hirelings at Headquarters.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knows no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
The average follower can spot a false prophet a mile away because if the minister teaches about dates, they run away. Those of us already attending The Restored Church of God before the date setting started saw it as a progression of God’s revelation to His servant. That shortly proved itself to be not true. But I stayed anyway, and that is on me.
After the 2025 summer solstice became chillier than anticipated, David C. Pack grew weary of ill-doing. He fell back on accepting Bible passages for what they say rather than what he wants them to say.
But oh boy, does this pain him. He should have just spoken these words while gritting his teeth.
@ 1:06:16 I could be commanded to watch. But maybe generally.And you could need to watch. As “You don't know which hour. Evening. Midnight. Cockcrowing or morning.” I doubt any longer that has anything to do with the hour alone. Who cares? None of us give if I told you it's this day and and and Gabriel told me it's this day. Not one of you would care whether is evening, midnight, cockcrowing, or morning, or try to compute the hour. You wouldn't care.
Since Dave no longer cares about date setting, the brethren should not either. This is a transparent, desperate attempt by Dave to rewrite the narrative about what his role in the church is.
Despite having no specific date to peddle, he sure tries to cling to his prophetic significance.
@ 1:06:44 It's a statement about you don't know the day, but we'd be anticipating it. Andif we were generally anticipating the day, generally, generally, then I would have told you the range of days that it could happen, and you'd be anticipating it and and I would’ve fulfilled my duty. And the thief couldn't come and break up your house. But I no longer see that as an equation with an exact day. I must slice and dice out of the Scriptures and tell you it's this day.I've been there and done that.
Dave has been “slicing and dicing out of the Scriptures to tell us it’s this day” since 2012. This Part 580 speech is not just him walking back from the summer solstice, but he is renouncing his self-assigned responsibility to nail the day down and is fleeing from it with due haste.
Blame arrives in the Main Hall at Headquarters in 3…2…1…
@ 1:07:15 There are many, many days in the Bible that go, “Right here. Come on over. It’s this one.”
Dave portrays the Bible as a perfumed harlot batting her eyelashes, tempting him to figure out the day and hour when the Kingdom of God comes. But she must have gained a few pounds since their summer tryst because he did not even call her the next day.
He will not be able to resist for long. The calendar hussy will flaunt her assets and seduce Dave back into her speculation bed, and the "no man knows” passages will be crumpled and tossed into the fireplace.
For now, with Dave being resigned to “generally anticipating” the day of Jesus Christ’s return and refraining from pinning the timing tail on the prophetic donkey, maybe there will be no more wee hours prophetic inspiration sessions. But do not count on it.
David C. Pack cannot stand alone on a doctrine in The Restored Church of God. He suffers from a deep need for validation by the cowardly enablers around him and the adoring worshippers before him.
Once Dave slinks away from teaching, the brethren better be on board.
@ 1:07:30 You shouldn't care. As long as you're watching and you're ready. That's what you should care about.
Yes, brethren of The Restored Church of God. Why are you so obsessed with the specific day and hour of Jesus Christ’s return? You should just generally anticipate the day and work on your godly character until He comes. You know, like the rest of the Christian world.
The next time David C. Pack sets a date… that day and hour will come…just tell your field mollusk you do not care, and he should not either. Watch that gentle, agreeing smile blossom on his face.
@ 1:28:29 Now Zechariah 3:7 says that this man, this porter, the leader of this of the church, kept his watch, which means his post, his sentry, his observance. He kept what He commanded. I used to think that was a specific day. I don't anymore. I just don't, and you shouldn't either.
David C. Pack is like a drug dealer who sampled his own product, got you hooked, but then decided to get sober and shames you for not wanting to quit with him. This psychological manipulation soothes his own conscience and lessens the weight of his embarrassment.
Wadsworth Skynet achieved self-awareness on June 14, 2025, at 4:52 PM ET in 3…2…1...
@ 1:28:50 I'm sorry that I ever said it, but I'm clearing the deck now.
Dave has yet to learn the harsh OnlyFans truth: You cannot erase the internet. The Bible does not afford false prophets a “clearing the deck” option for fraudulent doctrines. Once you are false, you are false.
An “I’m sorry” only has value if the behavior is not repeated. Dave's notable yet temporary apology in 2022 provided a glimpse into the man’s character. His apologies in 2023 are even worse.
Flashback Part 389 – August 24, 2022 @ 52:45 …it looks like he [Elijah in Revelation] didn't say the date the first time either, andI won’t do it. And I’m sorry that I ever did.
Flashback Part 440 – May 3, 2023 @ 38:53 I’m not setting dates anymore. I’m just not doing it.
Flashback Part 172 – April 27, 2019 @ 1:03:45 I wish I had understood that. Now I do. I’ll never ever, ever again say the day.
Do not let David C. Pack’s empty apology in 2025 fool you. Humility is a thin cloak that only comes out when the weather is rough.
Flashback 390 – August 27, 2022 @ 43:24 I’m not commissioned, I’m sorry, to say the year. I told you three days ago I’m not commissioned to tell you the year. I’m not required to do that. It’s God’s job.
@ 43:35 I’m not I’m not commissioned to give you the day.
With a clear record of history in mind, reevaluate the depth and sincerity of David C. Pack’s words.
Part 580 – June 14, 2025 @ 1:28:50 I'm sorry that I ever said it, but I'm clearing the deck now.
How nice for Dave to think he can make a career of ruining people with his spiritual lies and coercive theft and just hit the reset button with a half-sentence declaration and make it all go away.
He thinks that because he can in The Restored Church of God. Bradford Schleifer has no interest in holding Dave accountable. Edward Winkfield dare not mention moral responsibility. Carl Houk does not care about the suffering brethren endure. Ryan Denee is too spineless to speak up about anything.
Date setting today or no date setting today, David C. Pack is a hypocritical blaspheming liar, false prophet, false apostle, false teacher, and generally unpleasant person. He will feed you to the dogs the moment you are no longer useful and eat his staff-made sandwich in peace moments later.
The deck will soon be uncleared, and Dave will be un-sorry when the next mystery date is revealed.
@ 1:31:28 We just simply may not ever know the day and hour the Son of Man comes until He does. But it's all right if you're ready. [slams table] You can't know or think the up–it’s all right if you’re ready.
You cannot know the day and hour for the return of Jesus Christ. However, David C. Pack will not be able to resist trying to figure it out. Otherwise, he is not special. He is just some guy at the front of the room preaching verses like all the lesser men around him.
In The Restored Church of God, the real day and hour no one knows is when David C. Pack will once again know the day and hour. Rest assured, the wait will not be long.[
