Gerald Flurry Prophecy Comes True!

 

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The Rodney Dangerfield of the Churches of God says he is the only known ordained prophet in any legitimate Church of God group

Have you noticed a pattern in the Churches of God over the years? Those who constantly demand respect often lack character and can’t stop talking about it. True men of integrity don’t need to question why they aren’t respected—they earn it through their actions. Respect is given to those who are respectable, and Bob Thiel falls far short of that standard. In fact, he embodies the decline of Armstrongism.

In a lengthy post on Friday, June 27, 2025, God’s self-proclaimed greatest gift to the world once again cited Norm Edwards to argue that God intended prophets to lead the Church of God in these end times. Naturally, Thiel claims he is the one and only true prophet today.

Norman Edwards was the editor for Shepherd’s Voice magazine. He is not part of the Continuing Church of God, where I function as its human leader (and am an ordained prophet; the only known such ordained prophet in any legitimate Church of God group). 

 

While Norman Edwards and I have long disagreed about aspects of church governance and various matters of doctrine, we both agree that many who are in or claim to be in the Church of God (COG) wrongly do not accept that God has any prophets today and that Laodicean pride gets in the way. We also agree that most have severe difficulty identifying one who really is a prophet because of various unscriptural biases and improper criteria that they have. 

 

Bwana Bob, steeped in Armstrongism, has mastered the art of blaming others—especially when the Worldwide Church of God, Global Church of God, and Living Church of God completely rejected him. Of course, someone must take the blame, and it’s certainly not Bwana Bob!

In his latest rant, he lists 55 reasons why every Church of God group is heretical and overrun with Laodiceans who dare to reject him. I won’t bore you with the full list—most are absurd, rooted in Armstrongite mythology and shaky doctrines.

He even drags the United Church of God and Living Church of God into his desperate attempts to legitimize himself.

Some will come up with their preferred rationale as why not to agree with the position of the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) on these matters. Yet not only is CCOG’s position biblical, it should be noted that leaders in the Living Church of God and/or the United Church of God confirmed to me personally that I was biblically correct on nearly all of the above points, despite the fact that their respective churches hold to several of the errors pointed out above. Those who rely too much on a compromised ministry (Ezekiel 34:7-10) to teach them prophecy, that is not truly in accordance with scripture, need to realize that according to Jesus’ words in Revelation 2 & 3 and Luke 21 only relatively few Christians will be protected from the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world.

Both the United Church of God (UCG) and the Living Church of God (LCG) have outright rejected Bob’s narcissistic self-promotion, dismissing him as irrelevant to their mission.

The Great Bwana even goes after independent Churches of God and smears them:

There are also independents do not accept that God has been fulfilling prophecies of Acts 2:17-18. Laodiceans do not accept God’s standards, but prefer their own interpretations on how God works.

Then, once again relying upon Norm Edwards:

As Norman Edward’s article points out, it is scriptural to now have prophets according to the New Testament. But many who truly believe that they live by the word of God have discounted or overlooked what the Bible actually teaches and/or have been influenced by others who have done the same or worse. The COG has at least one demonstrably true prophet today, yet most in the greater COG world seem to be able to ignore the truth about that, like most ignored John the Baptist and others in their day. 

 

Norm Edwards' views on prophecy in the church today are irrelevant. Citing his Armstrongist perspective doesn’t make Bob Thiel any more a prophet than it does Dave Pack or Gerald Flurry.

Did you know your PRIDE leads you to reject the Great Bwana Bob? How dare you, you ungrateful wretches!

Pride is a bigger problem for Christians than most realize. People, including Christians, have a hard time admitting that they are wrong. 

 

If anyone in the Churches of God reeks of pride, it’s Bob Thiel! Holy manna!

The Great Bwana, self-proclaimed as the most perfect prophet in church history, then drags out Herbert Armstrong and bashes him for a false statement:

Now, let me add that because Herbert W. Armstrong said there were no prophets in the old Worldwide Church of God when he was alive, many have falsely concluded that there could not be any legitimate prophets in the Church of God beyond New Testament times. But that is wrong.

If Herbert Armstrong were alive today, he’d boot Bob’s sorry self to the curb so fast that even the trash collector would struggle to pick up the pieces.

The Great Bwana searched long and hard for a quote from Herbert Armstrong about prophets in the church today, and—surprise, surprise—he found one that conveniently points straight to himself. According to Bob, Herbert Armstrong foretold his rise to prophetic greatness:

Furthermore, notice a conversation Herbert Armstrong had with a WCG minister in late 1984 or 1985:

“Mr. Armstrong went on to say, ‘I have come to realize there will be an even greater work to follow—to go again, to “prophesy again” to all nations tongues and peoples (Rev. 10:11) before the work of the two witnesses—but with more power and with a stronger warning message. But that will be for others to do.’ He continued, ‘It will be a short work (Rom. 9:27-29), compared with the longer time to complete the work I was given, and it will be cut short. That’s when the Great Tribulation will begin, as will the work of the two witnesses. These will last for three and one-half years, at the end of which Christ will return in glory.’” (Schurter D. “The Greatest Work Lies JUST Ahead…” conversation with Herbert W. Armstrong 1984/1985 as stated in RCG letter of May 31, 2013)

So, Herbert Armstrong felt that there would be a prophet BEFORE the two witnesses were given power, hence the need for one or more prophets.

The New Testament (e.g. Acts 2, 1 Corinthians 14, Revelation 11) makes it clear that there would be prophets in the latter days.

Specifically, Acts 2:17-18 which has already had fulfillments in the Continuing Church of God.

He ends with this:

Do not let pride or preconceived ideas get in the way of you accepting biblical truth. That, according to Jesus, is actually the biggest problem for most Christians in the end time per Revelation 3:14-22–most Christians refuse to fully “hear what the Spirit says to the churches” (Revelation 3:22).

Will you truly hear and take the proper steps related to matters such as prophets? 

 

The biblical truth is clear: Bob Thiel is a liar and a false prophet. He was not sent by God, nor was he doubly ordained or blessed to start a rebellious splinter group. He is unequivocally a false prophet—a prideful, narcissistic upstart rejected by the Worldwide Church of God, Global Church of God, and Living Church of God. No Sabbath-keeping church in Africa ever ordained him as a prophet or even ordained him as a legitimate minister with apostolic succession.

Stay far away from him—your very salvation may depend on it!

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Boring Dave Plays the Guessing Game

 

The Guessing Game

Since David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God admitted that even he cannot know the day or the hour of Jesus Christ’s return, he no longer has any real material to bring to the table. “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 581)” on June 21, 2025, was a real snoozer.

The Pastor General purloined another 85 minutes of the brethren's Sabbath, pontificating half-baked ideas and throwing out potential possibilities. RCG members experienced a taste of what the workweek is like in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium when Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy are subject to Dave’s banal lectures pondering potential scenarios.

Rest assured, the period of David Passover’s vagueness will not last long. He was already bursting at the seams to retake his rightful place as being the only exception to the “no man knows” rule.

During Part 581, David C. Pack was playing the guessing game. He was not sure about anything, but he was filled with ideas. In the end, brethren rose from their chairs with nothing to cling to. Could be. May be. Potentially. Dave was dying to tell them he knew more and tried his best to uphold his relevance, but members who feigned sickness to avoid services did not miss anything substantial.

Members knew they were in for a wild ride when Dave opened by giving himself a Participation Award.

Part 581 – June 21, 2025
@ 00:06 Well, good evening, everyone. Here we are. We all I expected to be here, of course, this week.

I laughed out loud. When an unordained non-prophet/non-psychic and God’s Seventh Messenger apostle/sometimes-prophet both know the same thing before it happens, it grants us an even status for prophetic legitimacy.

With the Israel/Iran situation continuing to cool, the RCG Fear Factory suffered a significant depletion of raw materials this week. Dave’s paper tiger is now a yapping chihuahua.

@ 00:21 Of course, the the war is is is intensifying. We all know that. And we see the day approaching.

The words of David C. Pack do not age well. Not about prophecy. Not about what he plans to do. Not about world news. The only thing reliable about David C. Pack is how unreliable he is. But it did not prevent the little guy from trying.

@ 17:06 I hate to see war, but I'm thankful in a way because I know there's a prophecy that Jerusalem is at war when the Kingdom comes, and their their war is intensifying and growing worse. Or you could wonder, “Wait a minute, are we gonna go another year?”

How adorable. The headlines are not kind to David C. Pack. The 12-day war is over. A ceasefire is in place. Iran is willing to negotiate. Both Russia and China applied for conscientious objector status. That is not exactly the definition of “intensifying.”

Giggles, giggles, and more giggles in 3…2…1…

@ 1:24:34 Keep watching the war and strife and contention and violence and lawlessness and protests. Keep watching the day approaching. And we may all know when the Kingdom comes together. We're just we we're we’re at we’re at the end. It's about to snap. I believe we'll be here next week, but I'm not sure.

Dave’s previous warnings about imminent world hell and societies soon collapsing all fall flat. Adding this to being unable to teach exactly when the Kingdom of God will arrive, some members might be wondering, “Why are we paying you?”

When the summer solstice was the apple of Dave’s eye, the word “summer” meant “summer” in the parable of the fig tree. When that day approached, and his Spidey Senses tingled with discomfort, he discovered that “summer” just meant “heat” in the same parables.

In Part 580, it meant world-conditions heat. In Part 581, it means weather heat. Care to play the guessing game for what it will mean in Part 582?

@ 04:22 I have never seen four days in a row foretold to be as hot as they are now. The hottest day that's ever been, ever been, even a single day in June in Wadsworth, is 95, and we're scheduled for 93, 94, 93.

@ 04:55 Now, is that a coincidence? Where does that put us? We learned last week for the first time that blazing, meaning glaring heat, really hot, is a sign of the time. And and then this happens.

2024 was the year with the hottest average in Ohio. The hottest temperature ever recorded in Ohio was 113 degrees in Gallipolis in 1934. If heat was a sign of the time, Dave missed it already.

@ 1:23:33 Tremendous heat is striking the country. I don't have a lot more in the Series. I didn't plan this message. So, lo and behold, God plans for me. But heat, tremendous heat, is striking the country starting today.

@ 1:24:23 I've never seen anything like this. Is it a coincidence?

RCG members have suffered through eagles, rainbows, biblical fog, and prophetic COVID-19. Now, members endure a prophetic heatwave in summer. Coincidences are the bottom of the barrel of theological proofs.

David C. Pack’s bread and butter in The Restored Church of God was hosing down his worshipers with prophetic adrenaline while the doomsday clock ticked toward midnight. With a precise target on the bullseye missing, Dave is just throwing darts to let people know he is still rushing to call out anything.

His guessing game extended to an undefined Day of Gladness by moving the Last Great Day from the fall to somewhere in the summer. The Last Great Moving Day did not go over well in 2023.

But Dave makes all things new.

@ 1:19:50 So, this is not our first rodeo looking at moving the Last Great Day to the spring. But WE took it too far. WE took it too far. WE took it from the back end of the of the Feast of Tabernacles all the way to the front of Abib year. Maybe we're only supposta to go about half that far. Something like that.

Despite having nothing of substance to offer, Dave tried to push his unique legitimacy.

@ 05:57 I’ve learned some incredibly interesting things, but I haven't moved from where I was last week.

@ 06:29 I'm pretty sure I know the hour of the day. I no longer think I know the day. I used to be the other way around. I thought I knew the day but not the hour.

@ 06:52 Because you can almost certainly, and I believe I will prove to you you'll know the hour. It'll be the start of the day when when a Great Supper would begin.

Spoiler Alert: The hour is when a day begins at sunset. Mic drop.

See, no man knows the day and hour. Kinda.

Dave figured out the ingredients to the Bible’s secret sauce by taste and a partial label on the box. Just because you cannot know the day does not mean you do not see what the day is called.

@ 07:26 I know a lot more than I did last week, but it it duddn’t involve knowing the day. I know more about it and some fascinating things about it. And how I’d even equates to some lost knowledge. I know what the day is called, how God labels it, but this is a kind of a a hidden season. We'll call it a phantom season or time, kairos, known only to God.

@ 25:55 I I I could ask, how many have ever wondered, read, and wonder, “What's the Day of Gladness?” But I'll bet no hands would go up. Now, maybe one or two would, so I don't I won't say absolutely.”

Dave desperately wants to speak in absolutes, but reality keeps thwarting him. He lacked the courage to test his Day of Gladness awareness theory in the Main Hall. He dared not ask for a show of hands, or it would have silenced his thunder. He read the room and avoided the real challenge to his bravado.

Part 581 was a painfully long smattering of goofy questions while Dave played the guessing game. Prepare to yawn and shrug at the same time. This is just a small sampling.

@ 34:12 But is this is this the feast we're waiting for? Are we waiting for the feast in Acts 18:21? Are we waiting for the Day of Gladness? Or are we waiting for the phantom mystery shadow chag of Exodus 15, and 19, and 24? What are we waiting for? [pats hand on table] Very, very interesting.

@ 45:51 One wonders, did God take Av 10 and move it closer to where we are now?

@ 50:48 To where might God move a Holy Day to remain forever? Where might He move it? To signal the only day he will ever use to build the Kingdom of God question mark?

@ 1:02:30 Is that mean the Last Great Day on that day is gonna shift? Is that really what [chuckles] what happened to it when it disappeared at the end of the feast in Ezekiel 45? Is that where it went? So that it could be a Great Supper?

@ 1:22:07 So, what might the mysterious date be? What might it be? Well, I mean, technically, you could say, “Mr. Pack, is there any chance it's still in Sivan?”

@ 1:21:24 Is God going to take the Holy Day that currently is the 22nd of the month and move it to early in the month [Tammuz] we're coming up on? Seems reasonable.

@ 1:20:11 And no, I'm not, you know, hinting at a particular day there. It'd be incredible. Was God telling us, “I'm going to end this war on the Last Great Day because I'm gonna start it on that day?”

David C. Pack
All Questions. No Answers.™

For those with patient perseverance and the discipline to bother reading all of that malarkey, you now know what modern Sabbath Services are like in The Restored Church of God. Dave takes the term “bored to tears” to a new level.

David C. Pack
Hinting at substance without providing substance.™

@ 35:50 I would need to restore that knowledge, and I can't restore it unless God shows it to me. And I I promise you, [chuckles] when you go study, they go nobody even focuses on these verses, never mind, assembled them all.

When the Day of Gladness fades like the summer solstice, revisit the concept that God showed him this.

@ 1:25:10 But I doubt that I'm gonna be able to tell you the day. I have some suspicions, but the problem is I have more than one suspicion. So why why give you any of them? I gave you a whole bunch of days to think about.

This is some astonishing double-minded blindness: “Why give you any of them?” in one breath with, “I gave you a whole bunch…” in the next. Dave’s mouth operates independently from his brain.

We can all long for the next occasion when Dave thinks he knows the day and hour of Jesus Christ’s return so we can avoid any more quiz show messages like Part 581.

In the meantime, brethren of The Restored Church of God will have to stew in their disappointment for yet a little while as Dave stalls for more time playing his guessing game.

Marc Cebrian

See: The Guessing Game