Can Dave Pack be trusted to tell the truth about himself or anyone else?

Can Dave Pack be trusted to tell the truth
about himself or anyone else?   Dave Pack has made many false and disparaging remarks about those that have left his employ or have left his church. How can you be sure whether he is telling the truth or telling lies? Unless you have firsthand knowledge of  him and his behavior, it may be difficult to determine with absolute certainty.

What if it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has lied about himself, in order to make himself look good to others? And what if those lies can be exposed for the lies that they truly are? Then you could know with certainty that he is the type of man who will lie about others who are exposing him in order to make them look as bad as possible and him as good as possible.

Let’s examine some claims Dave Pack has made about himself!
 

"I am certainly ready and willing to do the work of spreading the message of the Kingdom of God to the world. I have a whole host of ideas about HOW to do it should Christ make the funds and staff available. For instance, The Plain Truth newsstand program was largely a project that I developed, almost from its inception."David C. Pack, Why The Restored Church of God? Page 19 second Paragraph Edition 1.2 June 1999

 
Surely, Dave Pack would not mislead anyone or "misspeak himself" about himself. He of all people would know whether the above statement is truthful or not! He of all people would know what events have happened in his life!

To put the above statement in print in a foundational booklet about his church must be proof that he is telling the truth about himself. Right?

Let’s see what official Worldwide Church of God documents and publications from the time period in question reveal.
 
In Volume 1, Number 2 of The Worldwide News dated April 30, 1973 on page 3 it says:

 

Plain Truth Newsstand Distribution Rapidly Accelerating Worldwide
Bricket Wood – A dramatic idea fired our imagination almost two years ago here in England. The idea – newsstand distribution – came from Mr. Ronald Dart, then director of the foreign educational service.
The door of radio broadcasting in Britain had already closed very firmly in 1967, and the Work had one less medium by which to advertise and educate. A new method of promoting The Plain Truth had to be found.
In 1971 Mr. Dart said he believed that newspaper and magazine shops and outlets in rail, bus and air terminals would prove effective distribution points for The Plain Truth.
 
Experience has shown he was absolutely right. Now, the program of newsstand distribution is gathering momentum in other countries.
 
From humble beginnings in July, 1971, when 399 magazines were placed on newsstands in Britain, the operation has accelerated rapidly.
 
Now, a total of 170,000 copies are dispatched each month to the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Switzerland, Portugal, the Falkland Islands, French Canada, South Africa and Japan.

By including subscription cards in the newsstand issues, many thousands have been encouraged to request regular mailed copies. A full five percent of each month’s readership request a subscription.

 

It is clear and beyond any shadow of a doubt that Dave Pack has lied to us in the pages of his booklet entitled "Why the RCG?" Official Worldwide Church of God literature informs us the idea was Mr. Ron Dart’s, not Dave Pack’s. Nowhere in the article does the name of Dave Pack even appear. Interesting indeed if the statement "The Plain Truth newsstand program was largely a project that I developed, almost from its inception" was actually true. What is even more interesting about Dave Pack’s claim to fame regarding the newsstand program being his idea and not Mr. Dart’s is the fact that Dave Pack was still a novice in the truth at AC at the time Mr. Dart created the newsstand program. His claim has a similar ring to his stealing the credit from Karen Ray and her compilations of doctrinal changes and calling it all his own ("Except There Come A Falling Away" and "Except The Lord Build The House").

This is just one of many provable examples of how Dave Pack makes boastful claims about himself, in order to glorify himself, all the while telling a pack of lies.

From the Way Back Machine:  Can Dave Pack be trusted to tell the truth about himself or anyone else? 

Disfellowshipped = Let's Start A New Church Under Me

Why is it that so many "ministers" that run so many of the splinter cults of Armstrongism are all decredentialed ministers?  These guys all claim they follow the authority of this thing they call "christ", which to them means top down government, yet as soon as they have lost their preaching credentials they run out and start a new group.

Almost any other Christian minister that loses their credentials will stop preaching. None ever start new churches or start begging for tithe money to be sent in.  Why is it that ministers of the "world" actually follow authority while these enlightened ones in the Church of God are in constant rebellion?

Just take a look at Dave Pack's disfellowshipment letter where he was stripped of the right to preach.  Yet he continues to pass gas today as if he has something important to say.  I find it interesting that those that claim to adhere to the law and top down government are always rebellious law breaking men.

Mr. David C. Pack
4xx Pxxxxxx Rxx
Wadsworth, OH 44281-2376
May 3, 1999
Dear Dave,
In a meeting of the Board of Directors of the Global Church of God, held today in San Diego, with all members present, your relationship with the Church was further discussed.

As you know, the Council of Elders heard charges against you and your response in your own defense. The Council then read to you a judgment which you acknowledged by saying you would accept it and comply with the Council’s decision.  That if you found that you could not continue to comply, you would contact the Council before taking any further action.

Subsequent to this meeting, you chose to place a lengthy letter on your website on Sabbath, May 1, in which you made numerous false accusations and continued to sow discord among the brethren. Clearly, you did not "hear the Church" as described in Matthew 18: 15-17. As a result, an ecclesiastical decision, guided by God’s Holy Spirit, has been made to disfellowship you from church membership in the Global Church of God.

This means that you are not permitted to attend or speak from the pulpit in the Global Church of God unless or until your membership is reinstated. Consequently, your ministerial credentials from the Church are hereby revoked.  You are not to hold yourself out as a minister or employee of the Church. All property belonging to the Global Church of God which might be in your possession, which would include, without limitation, any membership lists, equipment, computers, etc., should be returned to Global or its agent forthwith.

Your salary will be paid through today, along with accrued vacation time, and the check will be put into the mail today.

The Board wishes to express that we hold no animosity toward you.
Sincerely, in Jesus’ name,
 
Raymond F. McNair, Chairman
Larry R. Salyer, Director of Church

You can see this letter on the Way Back Machine from Neo's old site:  Pack Disfellowhipped

Even Elijah's Facebook Friends are Ignoring Him!

Did you know that Elijah III (Harold Reimann) has moved to Lucerne Valley, CA (up by Victorville) so he could  live in the desert like John the Baptist did?

Elijah III would tell you to quit saying, "Happy Birthday." You rave against Christmas and yet say the pagan happy birthday. It stamps you as Satan's, just as Rx, the eye of Horus, stamps drugs as Satan's. Just as the 2 snakes of the medical caduceus stamp the medical profession as Satan's.

Elijah III would tell women to quit wearing makeup. Don't look like a whore! Let your kosmeo (where we get cosmetics - your adorning) be in subjection to your husband like Sarah was. Not outward adorning but inward adorning of a meek and quiet spirit. Do not try to usurp authority over a man. Be keepers at home!

So where is Elijah III? He's here somewhere. If it's me, Lucerne Valley, CA. You think he lives in a big city? Wilderness probably like John the Baptist. That's why I moved to the desert. Plus I didn't want all the crime connected with all the minorities. Will he be a minister? God is sending a special messenger because his ministers are not doing their job. I don't think he will be a minister. Look for someone who has not changed in the midst of doctrinal change these last 50 years. I have not changed.

Elijah Harold has been posting  his junk about the evils of doctors for fifteen years now.  In all those years only 1 person has ever responded to his craziness. Even his so called 'friends' on Facebook are ignore him:

A daughter of one of the church's evangelists told me to to tell her when I found Elijah III. I told her everyone will know when Elijah III comes. Just like Elijah and John the Baptist. Both made a lot of waves! Now John did not perform any miracles. But then he preached before Jesus was killed. Elijah III will preach before Jesus comes as King of Kings and kills most of mankind. So I believe we shall see POWER from Elijah III. And that's why I destroyed my best work, "God Or Doctors?" I've had those words of TRUTH since 1996 on the web AND NO RESPONSE (except 1). I'm tired of words but still I write. I want to see POWER! I want to see Elijah III. And I'm so sure he's coming that I tied my hand behind my back, my proof that the whole church is off the track in healing and would go into the tribulation if it wasn't for the coming of Elijah III! That's why it's so easy to be on the inside track. The church isn't even racing.

Look, I've just started this book. I have 293 people on my friend's list in FB. Very few women because my page is very serious! Yet, not one response to my book as yet. Not even from Tim Hall. So so far, no interactive book. But this is only Day Two.

I bought this book when it first came out.  It is a fascinating read into life in Armstrongism.  Someone reading this outside of Armstrongism would be aghast at the things that went on in her family, but is instantly recognizable to anyone who has spent time in the Church of God.

Matches in the Gas Tank, A Memoir by Carla Powers

Matches in the Gas Tank, A Memoir by Carla Powers 

Carla Powers was Daddy's princess back in Arkansas in the late 1950s. Then Daddy got religion.
That religion, based in the teachings and deprivation of narrow-minded, punitive ministers, tormented her dangerous alcoholic father and her entire family. Growing up, Carla never knew a woman could do anything more than she was asked—or demanded—to do. She definitely never imagined that other worlds would open up to her and she would rise to become a powerful attorney.
Matches in the Gas Tank tells the story of life inside the Radio Church of God and the influence of Herbert W. Armstrong, the Church's founder and prophet. Under his influence, Carla's family moved away from relatives and friends to Big Sandy, Texas, an enclave in which everyone lived by strict and unforgiving rules arbitrarily determined by Armstrong. His vision of how to get to "The Kingdom of God" and avoid a sea of flames consisted of unending lists of rules covering everything from food consumption, to financial responsibilities, to sexual behavior. The only way to rise above the poverty level was to become a minister, and the only way to become a minister was to continually police your neighbors for sin. Ministers were allowed to barge in a home any time of the day or night to inspect everything from the cleanliness of a family's kitchen to the contents of their tax returns.
This is the story of how Carla escaped the control of the church and found a way to deal with the legacy of abuse and shame left to her by her father. As she embraces her difficult childhood, she comes to understand that while those we love have the power to hurt us, they can't destroy us. We can find strength in unexpected places.
Anyone who has had a less-than-perfect family, has struggled with the faith of her fathers or has gone through recovery from abuse, perfectionism, or any cult of personality will connect with the power of redemption in this moving memoir.

Apostle Malm: It is a SIN to Pay Road Tolls On The Sabbath!

If you thought Armstrongism could not get any wackier, take a look at the illogical thought process of Apostle Malm.

One of his acolytes asked:

Will UCG now begin to have some respect for the Sabbath by not cooking, traveling, or paying others to serve them on High Days and Sabbaths as God has commanded?

The Apostle replies:

The fact that Chairman Rhodes admits using public transport in London on the Sabbath should provide at least a partial answer. (How in the hell is a person not from the UK supposed to travel around London, especially if they were going to preach at a UCG service?)

Should we do what Orthodox Jews such as former U.S. Vice Presidential candidate Joseph Lieberman does on Sabbath – park the car and simply walk everywhere, including to worship?

I would gass up on Friday and then drive to a service myself. I think that in nearly all cases some kind of transportation arrangement can be made that does not involve paying for public transport. To me a Sabbath day’s journey by car is one that does not require any purchase [like more gas] and that does not tire [like work], say roughly somewhat less than an hour. (There you have it folks, no more two hour drives to be with like minded brethren, 45 minutes is your max because you will get tired. Oy!) In some cases issues such as road tolls can usually be dealt with by buying in advance, or using other roads, or if necessary establishing more local congregations. If we are trying to please God, he WILL provide the wisdom and the means. Your Orthodox example shows the lack of wisdom in modern apostate Judaism; for what requires more effort; to walk a mile or drive it? This is the same as the man who climbs four flights of stairs to avoid using electricty; just plain counter productive. In any case going to a [hopefully] godly assembly, is a little different than paying for a totally unnecessary restaurant meal [because we have not properly prepared ourselves]. Its all about zeal for the commandments coupled with wisdom. James (Actually it is all about burdening down members with useless, irrelevant rules and regulations!)

Does the Apostle not see the hypocrisy in his writings when he is sitting home on a Friday night and Saturday mornings using his computer, electricity, and someone else Internet service to post his drivel?  Why is he breaking HIS holy sabbath by doing such secular things?  Why is he profaning HIS sabbath?  Why does he not prepare all his missives and post them at 3:00 on a Friday afternoon so he will not be breaking HIS sabbath?