That Other Prophet Says Dave Pack is Wrong: Christ Cannot Return Till 2027

By the time COG Jesus Christ gets here 

he is going to be really ticked off at all the delays he has had to endure.

The Great Bwana to Africa takes great exception to Dave Pack's latest announcement that Jesus was returning last week. As we have all seen, Dave was an epic failure. No Jesus. No tribulation. Nothing.

Now Jesus Christ will be delayed yet again as the self-appointed leader of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God says that his "jesus" cannot return until at least 2027.

04/15/20 p.m. Banned by HWA reported that RCG put out the following:

* Habakkuk 2:3 plainly says “the vision is yet for an appointed time [a moad].” The seven days of Passover are a moad! But recall events unfold at the “end”—“at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.” The “end” of the appointed time of Passover is the Last Day of Unleavened Bread!

A few weeks ago Banned by HWA reported that RCG put out the following:

One thing to consider, this Tuesday evening, going into Adar 29, is the exact day—the last day before the first day of the sacred year—we reach the 6,000-year plan of God. Could this be the “last day” we have all been looking forward to? Only time will tell but so many things line up for us to consider this possibility.

As of this moment, I have not been able to verify this is truly from RCG as it is not available online from their website in a search. But presuming that this was accurate, David Pack and RCG were very wrong. There was no way that 5999th year (or if it means it differently the 6,000th year) ended during or at the end of the Days of Unleavened Bread in 2020.

The last Day of Unleavened Bread has ended in Wadsworth, Ohio (where RCG is based) and Jesus has not returned.

Anyway, Jesus cannot return for at least seven years from now. Hence, for those who believe in a 6,000/7,000 year plan as has been traditionally taught, the 6,000 years cannot end before 2027.  Bob Thiel

Restored Church of God: Now That Dave Has FAILED AGAIN, What Will RCG Members Do?

Today's Proper Church Government is a Quagmire of Spiritual Debauchery

One of the biggest con games the church has fostered off on people is Herbert Armstrong's demands on proper governance in the church. His teachings were designed to give him ultimate authority in all matters, both spiritual and temporal. He really cracked down on governance when ministers would leave the church and take people with them. It was vitally important for HWA to discredit and devalue those men. To not do so was to undermine his power and authority.

That same quagmire of spiritual debauchery is what gave the present-day Churches of God so many self-appointed leaders who demand obedience to their every whim.  It gives Dave Pack the "authority" to demand his followers give him all their money, and they do.  It gives Gerald Flurry the "authority" to demand that church members turn their backs on spouses, family members and friends if they do not adhere to Flurry's illogical demands, which they do.

Concerned Sister made this comment the other day about authority in the church:

If the person has not risen through the ranks of one the groups and is not "ordained" to speak or given permission to express themselves, then their thoughts and their voice is silenced within whatever corporate group they happen to be a part of, even if what they have to say would be of benefit to the rest of the body. The only way to get around this sometimes is to find ways around the system, which is what people who remain anonymous seek to do. 

Ordination within the corporate cog groups has in many cases simply become a way for those who seek a certain amount of perceived power to climb the ladder, or a way to reward someone for sticking to the party line and parroting the "official" doctrine of the organization, rather than a way to simply recognize those who are already serving as servants within the body of Christ. It then becomes a way to reinforce the club mentality and perceived authority within the corporate group. It has also become a way to limit the function of the gifts of the body to being exercised only by those officially recognized as having "authority" or given "permission" to do so. God did not intend the body to function with only a few at the top of a man made hierarchy having a voice or using a gift. He has given all a voice and various gifts, and it is the job of those gifted as leaders to facilitate and equip everyone to use their voice and their gifts, rather than silencing everyone. Sometimes it is the voice that comes out of nowhere and has no recognized position that God chooses to use in the mightiest way, because it is those people who don't get as hung up on themselves, their egos, or their own authority. They are simply sharing what they feel God wants them to share, with the understanding that it isn't about them, it's about Him.

Concerned Sister

There are three things that the Church of God hated more than anything and that was when members stepped up to the plate and held leaders accountable, understood scripture better than their leaders, and were outstanding examples of good works in their church and local community than the church was. 

Right on cue this morning, Bob Thiel popped his homeopathic cork about "authority" in the church and how those who refused to follow Herbert's teaching on governance led to the downfall of the church and that those remaining 1/3 "faithful" now refuse to follow him, the rightful heir to that proper church governance. Hands were flailing and fingers flying as he typed out his words of warning.

 ...the fact is that two-thirds of those in the old WCG accepted total apostasy after the death of Herbert W. Amrstrong, and about one-third did not, makes the possible application of the Tkach apostasy seem to fit. 

Nowadays, most remaining Christians do not accept proper church governance–even though Herbert W. Armstrong emphasized that a lot in his final years on Earth for Philadephian Christians.

According to the self-appointed illegitimate leader of the so-called "continuing" Church of God, every person who does not follow him are all Laodiceans. 

Notice that Herbert Armstrong believed that God mainly worked through the leadership of one man at a time to lead various phases of the work. Scripture, shows for example, that the mantle passed from Elijah to Elisha (2 Kings 2:9-15). The ‘mantle’ would currently be with the person/group that truly functioned as the ‘pillar and ground of truth’ (1 Timothy 3:15). 

For fifty years in the second century, according to Herbert W. Armstrong, that man was Polycarp:

It is significant that after his release John trained Polycarp elder of Smyrna, a city near Ephesus in the province of Asia. … At neighboring Smyrna, Polycarp presided over the Church of God for half a century after John’s death. Polycarp stood up boldly for the truth while many fell away and began having fellowship with the Catholic bishops of Rome. History relates that following the example of Peter, Paul and John, Polycarp wrote many letters to congregations and individuals, though all these have perished, save one in an edited version. (Armstrong HW. The Church They Couldn’t Destroy. Good News, December 1981) 

For over 50 years in the 20th century, it was Herbert W. Armstrong.

And in the 21st century, that one man is not in any of the independent or more structures Laodicean groups.

Support the remnant of the Philadephian era and God’s work today. 

Do not delay (cf. Zephaniah 2:1-3).

There you have it!  He is the ONE TRUE Church of God leader today.  Apparently, no one in the church has the ability to discern what is right except for him. By now we all know Thiel to be one of the biggest piles of horseshit the church has ever seen. Many members are more theologically grounded in the scripture than Thiel or any of the present-day COG leaders are.  

The so-called "proper church governance" in the Church of God has created a cabal of spiritually and physically dangerous men who are consumed by narcissism, greed, avarice and the continual need to be affirmed as important.

These men have wreaked havoc on the spiritual lives of sincere people who want to follow God as they understand him. These putrid boils on the church have spent decades placing the focus upon themselves and their "revelations" while spitting in the face of Jesus and everything he said and accomplished.

No matter how many dreams or visitations by the so-called "god/spirit" these men have, they remain spiritually bankrupt. No sincere Christian would EVER follow these men.

Dave Pack: I Am A Sucess At One Thing...

Dave Pack: CHRIST RETURNING TODAY! The “end” of the appointed time of Passover is the Last Day of Unleavened Bread!...Christ will “SURELY COME” and “WILL NOT TARRY”!

From an RCG source:


David Pack did it again! This is the full-length text of the message he sent to the RCG members yesterday (are there still people believing this guy.. He’s giving them a new date almost every day now)

Keep Watch! 

The Days of Unleavened Bread—now understood to be the Feast of Passover!—are quickly coming to an end. We now understand all the proofs of Passover being seven days—the way Christ kept it all His life before instituting the New Testament Passover prior to His death. God revealed this vital understanding “right on time,” and it set the stage for yet more that God would reveal at the very end. Dozens of scriptures that have come clear during this ongoing learning process in fact show nothing will happen until the Last Day of Unleavened Bread! 

Understand. The LAST day of Unleavened Bread—the LAST day of Passover—is GIANT in God’s thinking. Following the pattern of announcements past, a handful of points make the case (50-plus more could have been included): 

Brethren, echoing the last announcement, the case for Passover—now the last day of Passover—is so strong that none of us could imagine moving beyond it. God has taken us on a long journey that by every indication is coming to an end. The Holy Day is about 24 hours away. Stay close to God and prepare yourself for what appears to be our final watch.

Mark 13:35-36 remains central to our thinking and bears repeating to close: “Watch you therefore: for you know not when the master of the house comes, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. ”

* First a point of logic: With only two days left in Passover—a common day (starting at sunset Monday) and a Holy Day—which might God choose?

* Next, consider all that Christ said about “the last day” through John 6. Verse 4 makes plain He was teaching in a PASSOVER setting—“the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.” What “last day” other than the last day of this Feast would His audience think He meant? Fast-forward to our time—when events would actually unfold—the LAST DAY of Unleavened Bread is not only perfect, it is the only viable option!

* Habakkuk 2:3 plainly says “the vision is yet for an appointed time [a moad].” The seven days of Passover are a moad! But recall events unfold at the “end”—“at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.” The “end” of the appointed time of Passover is the Last Day of Unleavened Bread!

* Also realize that this passage includes a promise that Christ will “SURELY COME” and “WILL NOT TARRY”! We are NOW in the mahahh/mikron period—testing our resolve in the final days of awaiting His arrival. Waiting to the end of Passover is the longest possible mahahh/mikron—almost certainly why God tells us to wait for it!

* Recall Moses told Pharaoh, “Thus says the LORD God of Israel, Let My people go, that they may hold a feast unto Me in the wilderness” (Ex. 5:1). Israel crossed the Red Sea during the night of the feast of the Last Day of Unleavened Bread. THIS was the night they left Egypt’s border—to observe the Last Day of Passover in the wilderness! Ask: When might God take modern Israel out of enslavement to sin and the god of this world?

* Jericho’s walls fell on the last day of Passover. This types the walls, towers and loftiness of man coming down. And remember that the collapse of this evil city—a type of today’s society that God plans to soon take down—was accompanied by trumpet blasts!

* All these points perfectly fit Malachi 2:2-3. The Last Day of Unleavened Bread is a Jewish chag (Holy Day)!

* With this more complete understanding, what other day can compare to the Last Day of Passover?