EXCLUSIVE Another RCG Headquarters' Minister Leaves, Blasting Dave Pack's Prophetic Confusion in a Letter to RCG Ministry

Good morning, ministers and wives.

I trust this email finds you well.

When God called me in 2008, I never thought I'd find myself writing an email like this one. But if we can agree that God is not the author of confusion (1 Cor . 14:33), then we can also agree that what's currently being taught by our pastor general is not of God.

To say that there's a lot of confusion in the Church would be an understatement. Brethren no longer know what to believe because they simply can't keep things straight. If you don't know this already, talk to the brethren about prophecy. Or for that matter, talk to a fellow-minister.

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but TRY THE SPIRITS WHETHER THEY ARE OF GOD: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. ... (6) We are of God: he that knows God hears us; he that is not of God doesn't hear us. HEREBY KNOW WE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, AND THE SPIRIT OF ERROR” (1 John 4:1, 6).

John wrote a lot about truth and when we read the books he was inspired to write, we can know it is truth. But, we are also supposed to be able to distinguish truth from the spirit of error! If dozens of failed prophetic scenarios is not the spirit of error, then I don't know what is! What does it matter if the spirit of error is being introduced by the top man or someone else? The spirit of error is the spirit of error!

We frequently say in the Church that we shouldn't get hung up on prophecy being wrong. However, technically speaking, anything taught is doctrine. It's the very definition of the word. So there is false doctrine being taught. And besides that, we often touch on foundational doctrines and change them to fit the latest prophetic narrative anyway.

For example, we recently said that the God that Moses , Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel saw was the Father (Ex. 24:9-10.) But how can we ignore plain scriptures like John 1:18? “No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared [Him].” What allows us to sweep aside SUCH A SIMPLE scripture like that? When establishing doctrine, are we not to start with the simplest scriptures first?

Our understanding of who and what God is has changed dramatically in recent months. When is the last time we properly referred to God as a family? Do we really think that the most spectacular era of God's Church, the Philadelphian era, who God said NOTHING bad about in Revelation, had the wrong understanding of who and what God is? Did our predecessors not know God in the same way that we now do? On logic alone, it's inconceivable!

Then there are the verses that we flat out ignore. 2 Cor. 5:10 says that we must ALL appear before the judgment seat of Christ. But not us? Somehow we've made it already? Most, if not all of you, care for more of God's sheep than I do. When you heard Rev. 22:11 explained (“He that is unjust, let him be unjust still...”), did you honestly think that everyone in your pastorate was sealed at that time? That people were done growing? That it was time to relax? What spirit influenced such a thing to be taught?

As ministers, we represent the Church. Especially the Headquarters ministry. I, for one, can't look brethren in the eyes anymore and explain the latest prophetic scenario to them. What's taught is plain strange at times. We always start with the belief that there's no way Christ could come beyond the current week we're in and then we wrest the scriptures to fit that bias.

I want to go on record to say that I'm not following anyone or any group. Some of you may know that an old friend of mine, Riordan Dennis, was removed from the Church recently. I made the mistake of being too friendly with Riordan after he left and was ultimately used by him, and the group that he's a part of, in a way that appeared to lend credence to their movement. I do not follow them. I have no interest in attending a splinter that has compromised on the truth of God even more than The Restored Church of God has. I don't claim to know how the prophetic pieces of the jigsaw puzzle fit.

Let me state that it's wonderful to be here at Headquarters. I love the home we're in. I love living on this beautiful campus. I love you and all the friends I have here and in the wider Church. I love the job I have. I love being the minister over Pittsburgh. But at the end of the day, THE TRUTH HAS TO MATTER MORE THAN ANY OF THIS! It's the only reason we came to the Church in the first place.

I understand that this email will likely lead to me being fired. I'm OK with that. I hope you will also stand up for the truth as ministers of God, no matter how uncomfortable that might be at times. I trust that God will sort out this mess in His time, however, I wasn't prepared to look Christ in the eyes and explain to Him why I didn't stand up for the truth and for His people.

In Christ's Service,

Alex J. Groen

Dave Pack: Do Not Loathe My Position As Apostle When I Change, Clarify and Make Complete U-Turns

For decades, the Church held fast to an overly simplistic prophetic timeline. While true after a fashion, this understanding either ignored or misunderstood other verses. Christians were to faithfully hold on to this old thinking as it was “present truth” (II Pet. 1:12).

Over the last few years, God has greatly expanded our prophetic knowledge. Instead of using a vision or a visitation from an angel, the God who said He changes not (Mal. 3:6) chose to reveal prophetic truth to His Church through an apostle! Appreciate the significance of this. God wants His apostle, guided by the Holy Spirit, to put together the grand prophetic puzzle.

Adjusting decades of incomplete thinking is not easy. God anticipated there would be moments of clarification or, at times, complete U-turns in understanding. Therefore, He tells us in I Thessalonians 5:20 to not despise, loathe or feel contempt toward this process.

How does “prove all things” apply in this situation?

Led by an apostle, the entire Church must prove the prophetic truths God is revealing. In other words, we may have to “test” several scenarios before coming to a full understanding of God’s intent.

Most are familiar with proving established doctrine. Far fewer are familiar with the process of how doctrine is initially revealed to the Church. The latter is not always a clean process.

“Proving all things” in light of prophetic understanding is not an invitation for heresy—anything contrary to the official teachings of the Church. For individuals to keep or throw out prophetic doctrines at their own discretion would lead to chaos at worse and confusion at best. It would also violate speaking the same things and being of the same mind and judgment.

Avoid going out on a limb and taking a “twiggy” approach to doctrinal understanding. Stick to prophetic doctrines as they are being taught.

Since prophecy is only to be known in part until fulfilled (I Cor. 13:9, 12), there is inevitably a process of trial and error when seeking complete understanding. God went so far as to record the mistakes of previous apostles to comfort future leaders and those who look to them for guidance.

Dave Pack 

Dave Pack's Kingdom of God...Wait till you see how it all plays out...

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If you thought Bwana Bob was pulling things out of the air or his a.... to preach as truth, wait till you see Dave Pack's chart above.

Jesus comes for the second time to Wadsworth where he and Dave will set up a new kingdom with houses and lands. Dave, JC, and a select few of the righteous will dwell in peace and harmony for 3 1/2 years. Then all hell breaks loose and there is 16 - 18 months of hell as the man of sin is revealed and sorrows rain down.

As the time of sorrows is in full swing, Dave's JC comes for the 3rd time! Poor guy, he has returned so many times that I doubt even he knows where he is in the grand scheme of things. During this time all the sheep and goats will be judged and Satan and his demons will be cast back into heaven!  This all lasts for  3 1/2 years.  WTH?  Is there no end to the stupidity that comes out of Dave and the rest of the apostate splinter leaders?

Then another 3 1/2 years dawns and we find out that Satan and his demons have pissed off God so much that he casts them back down to earth to wreak havoc. Bwana Bob will start sacrifices and commit the abomination of desolation in the temple, while Ron and Laura Weinland will be witlessly witnessing in Jerusalem.

Such a glorious time to be a COG member and be alive to witness all of this greatness unfold before their eyes!

After 3 1/2 years of this mess, God returns!  Woo Hoo!

Millennial bliss happens and everyone since Adam will be raised.

Dave and Jesus will be ruling from Wadsworth while Herbert Armstrong will be in charge of re-educating the world with resurrected Pasadena ministers and evangelists who will be teaching the world how life should be while the rest of the COG members are off on other planets ruling their worlds with iron-fisted millennial bliss.

Isn't being a Church of God member a great thing!

Zerubbabel Circumcises His Son And Offers Him Up To Yahweh

Zerubbabel ( Michael Noordhoek ) has a new video up and it is crazier than hell.  He talks about circumcising his son and being will to sacrifice him and offer him up to Yahweh.  I don't know if this is the son he produced with his daughter that he bragged about a couple years ago or not.

He goes on to say it has been 436 days since he got out of jail.

Talks about his new magic shoes of affliction, and a box he got from Amazon, a B-36 box that corresponds to Issac being alive 36 years.

His god, who has 14 eyes, has been showing him just how things are.

He has been sent by his god now for 9 1/2 years and no one believes him or god.

This is the face of Armstrongism at its worst.

This will be Bob Thiel in 10 years after his string of prophetic failures drives him over the edge.

Brenda Denzler: "...the day I was disfellowshipped, it felt like the earth literally weaved and wobbled under my feet"

What Doesn't Kill You Makes You

One survivor on "New Normals" and living through "apocalyptic" times that reveal who we really are.

BY BRENDA DENZLER

PUBLISHED MARCH 31, 2020  www.curetoday.com 

I have faced the apocalypse three times, now, in my life. I managed to come through the first two. Not unscathed…but I did survive. However, the world that I knew afterward was not the same one I'd known before.

The first time it happened I was 30 years old. When I was in my early teens, I'd joined a large fundamentalist religious cult that preached the end of the world by about 1975. Of course, that didn't happen, but personally, it more or less did. I wound up leaving the church in 1982 — getting kicked out actually. As I walked over to a neighbor's house the day I was disfellowshipped, it felt like the earth literally weaved and wobbled under my feet. It was a blow to lose the world I'd known for fifteen years. All the things I thought I knew, all the things I'd done because that was just what good, righteous people do…. All gone. Life went on, however, a new and different life than the one I'd thought I'd have.

The second time was in 2009 when I was diagnosed with inflammatory breast cancer. Another little apocalypse, but this time it challenged not just my worldview and my way of being in the world, but my life itself. Like the first time, I survived this, too. I was lucky. But also like the first time, my life was never the same. This time, though, there was a name for what I was facing — a "new normal."

Today, I'm in the middle of the third apocalypse of my life: the COVID-19 pandemic. No…that's not quite right. This time "we" are in a little apocalypse, not just me by myself. And we're not in the middle of it at all — we've only just begun.

Our way of being in the world is changing every day. Things we thought we knew, things that we thought were truths and steadfast parts of our lives that we could pretty much rely upon, are being revealed as only provisionally true or frankly untrue. Almost everything is in flux for us now, like the ground that moved under my feet decades ago when my personal world shifted on its axis.

We will, however, find a collective new normal. Eventually. I've never liked the term. It makes it sound like everything gets OK again. It's maybe just a little different, but it's basically just like it was before. Before the world fell apart due to a belief system collapse or due to a cancer diagnosis. That's not true though. As many cancer survivors know, a "new normal" always means leaving something behind, something that you inevitably miss.

I miss the certainty and reassurance of being a fundamentalist — of having my world consist of blacks and whites, wrongs and rights cosmic checklists that I can mark off to make sure that I'm OK and in God's good graces. I miss the way I felt good before cancer, a feeling of well-being and the ability to do things that are now beyond me, not to mention the assumption (false though it was) that the future only holds more of the same.

Today, I also miss the way I lived before COVID-19. Coming and going as I pleased, knowing that if I went to the grocery store I'd be able to get whatever I needed, not worrying about whether my high-risk status dooms me to my worst nightmare: the choice between drowning in the waste products from my own COVID-infected, self-destructing lungs or having a tube pushed down my throat to try to force oxygen into me--or being denied that because I'm too old at 66. I worry about the safety of my family and my friends. I am scared senseless at the unnecessary magnitude of the economic collapse that threatens to bedevil us as surely as the late effects of cancer treatments.

I only know one thing for sure. It's a thing that most cancer survivors already know: What doesn't kill you, makes you. It doesn't make you stronger, or prettier, or healthier or more kind or charitable…. It just makes you more of whatever you already are.

We will find a new normal, once this global mini-apocalypse has passed (at least, in its extreme form). What that new normal will be like is up to us. We will lose something, for sure. We will have to mourn what we've lost. But there will be no going back. What we are left with will have to do; it will have to be - or become - good enough.

Take a look in the mirror. Take a look at everyone around you in your life. Take a look at the human race. We are in the process of becoming more of whatever we already are, and we're going to have to live with it for a long time. Let's do what we each can to make it our best. As John Denver said in his song, The Eagle and the Hawk, "reach for the heavens and hope for the future, and all that we can be and not what we are."

Be safe. Stay well. Help others.

Brenda Denzler