Whiney Little Prophet Upset With Dave Pack's Failures Feels That Other COG Members Will Not See A Need For Prophets In The Church

 

Well, it has been a rough day in the Five Cities as a winter storm has hit the coast and inland regions of California with lots and rain, snow, and wind. Even worse, another kind of wind has been blowing and it's got the homeopathic knickers of God's greatest prophet the church has ever seen in a royal twist.

The Great Bwana to Africa and 150 Caucasians, the most important man to ever lead a COG in the history of civilization is NOT happy about all of Dave Pack's appalling failures about the return of the creature he calls "christ".

Beto writes:

12/10/22 a.m. As mentioned in the post 12/02/22 p.m. , David Pack was proven wrong about his prediction for December 8th.

Sadly, that makes Laodicean Christians dismiss the idea that God can have any prophets now.

Let's get this straight, anyone who DARES to not believe the Great Bwana or feels the is no need for prophets in the COG today is a Laodicean? You are hilarious, Beto! Hilarious!

The Great Bwana goes on to quote another failed prophet of the church, Herbert W Armstrong as proof of the need for prophets in the church.

Yet, prophets were expected for the last days.

The late Pastor General of the old Worldwide Church of God (WCG), Herbert W. Armstrong, basically said so in a 1981 sermon (scripture is from the KJV):

All right, now there’s another prophecy for the people …

Joel 2:28-29 And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: (29) And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

So there is a time coming when God will start pouring out His spirit on human beings. … Day of Pentecost, 3000 were baptized. Peter preached a sermon. They were pricked in their hearts. God began to draw them. God was now… Remember He said, “I will pour out of my spirit on all flesh.” All right, there’s a duality of that. (Armstrong HW. Building The Temple. Sermon, February 14, 1981)

Herbert W. Armstrong was correct about the time coming when God would pour out His Spirit as well as the duality. There was a duality to what Peter preached in Acts 2–and that duality is for our current time!

Why does everything in COGland have to be "dual"? They could not get it right in the singular aspects, and when they "dualize" it they all tend to be double failures.

Nevertheless, because Herb said it, so let it be done! Of course, there is only ONE person in all of the shrinking landscape of the COG movement who is now having dreams and giving prophecies. That person is the Great Bwana, savior of Africa, and a small pack of deluded Caucasians who should know better.

Therefore, dreams and prophesy were expected for our day!

The Great Bwana then continues down the rabbit hole into absurdity:

Remember that there were dreams (Matthew 1:20, 2:13-22; 27:9; Acts 16:9) AND prophets (e.g. Acts 15:32, 21:10; 1 Corinthians 13:9) in the New Testament (see also How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God).

On that Day of Pentecost, here is some of what the Apostle Peter taught:

14 … “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. 18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy.  (Acts 2:14b-18)

This is a prophecy, according to the Bible, for the last days.

We are in the last days.

Therefore, dreams and prophesy were expected for our day!

Has this happened in the 21st century?

Yes. 

Um, NO, it has not!

Then, the Great Bwana goes on to list all of his incredibly ACCURATE prophecies. If you thought the nuttiness of Dave pack was getting weird, the Great Bwana Bob Thiel takes it to another level!

This is what he deems as "accurate prophecy?  This is what Bwana Bob believes will be added to the Book of Acts as further proof of his prophethood:

Coincidences or Divine Intervention?

Category	Event	Fulfillment
Prediction	During late August 2008, Bob Thiel told LCG minister Davy Crocket that unless evangelists would implement certain matters that God was about to strike a top LCG leader with something.	LCG’s top evangelist, Roderick C. Meredith, suffered a ministroke on September 19, 2008.
Prayer	On February 4, 2009, Dr. Meredith asked Bob Thiel to pray that he would live another 7 – 15 years, so Bob Thiel did.	Dr. Meredith died on May 18, 2017–a little over 8 years after that prayer.
Predictions	In July 2009, Bob Thiel’s book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect went to press.	By December 22, 2012, 32 predictions in that book were at least partially fulfilled. For details, go to https://www.cogwriter.com/Confirmed2012BookEvents.htm
Possible Divine Intervention	During the Feast of Tabernacles in October 2009, an odd feeling came over me that pointed to looking to see if the beginning of sorrows may have began.	After researching and finding that events consistent with the ride of the 1st horseman occurred, I telephoned Dr. Roderick C. Meredith and told him. While his church had taught that the beginning of sorrows had not begun prior to that, it taught shortly after that telephone call that it had begun.
Speculative Prediction	On June 24, 2010, Bob Thiel warned that “Certain biblical, Chinese, and other prophecies…discuss that how Australia itself may become taken over. By virtue of her timing, Julia Gillard may inadvertently pursue policies that will lead to the fulfillment of various end time prophecies.”	On November 10, 2011, because an agreement with Julia Gillard, US troops were stationed in Darwin, Australia, and by November 18, 2011 China pointed to this as a reason to consider military action against Australia.
Speculative Predictions	From 2010 to 2015, Bob Thiel made and/or posted speculative predictions related to Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg.	By late 2017, 7-11 predictions (depending on how they are included) related to Herr Guttenberg were at least partially fulfilled. For details, go to https://www.cogwriter.com/karl-theodor-zu-guttenberg-king-of-the-north.htm
Prayer	Although told by two LCG ministers (Dr. Jeff Fall and Gary Ehman) in the late Fall of 2011 that he did not need to have hands laid on him to be a prophet, Bob Thiel prayed that something would happen related to his ‘prophet’ situation in a planned December 2011 trip to Charlotte, North Carolina.	On December 15, 2011, Gaylyn Bonjour anointed Bob Thiel and prayed that he be granted a double-portion of God’s Spirit. Gaylyn Bonjour said this was reminiscent of the passing of the mantle, that he realized what he may have unintentionally did, and that what he did could not be undone. This answered Bob Thiel’s prayer. Gaylyn Bonjour also confirmed on November 28, 2019 his belief that his prayer was answered.
Prayer	On December 16, 2011, Richard Ames prayed that Bob Thiel would continue his evangelical/prophetic efforts and LCG evangelists Dr. Meredith and Dr. D. Winnail gave Amen concurrence–as did Bob Thiel.	Bob Thiel has continued evangelical/prophetic efforts and has been the human leader of the fastest growing COG group in the 21st century, known as the Continuing Church of God. These show the fruits of a true prophet, consistent with Jesus’ criteria in John 7:15-20.
Prediction	On December 19, 2011, Bob Thiel tried to meet with Dr. Meredith to tell him that it seemed God was telling him that his wife Sheryl was about to be struck with something serious.	In Dr. Meredith’s letter dated 1/12/12, he reported that his wife Sheryl (who was much younger than he) was stricken with stage four cancer. She later died on November 29, 2013.
Speculation	On May 12, 2013, I warned in an online post about the threat of new coronaviruses and speculated that “novel” diseases could be a threat.	In 2019, a “novel coronavirus,” later renamed COVID-19 emerged and devastated peace and normalcy around the world. In 2020, I tied that in with the possibly start of the ride of the 2nd horseman of the Apocalypse.
Predictions	In a book published on January 19, 2017, Bob Thiel listed many predictions related to the upcoming Donald Trump presidency. Plus he published others at cogwriter.com In a book published on January 20, 2021, Bob Thiel listed many predictions related to the upcoming Joe Biden presidency.	By mid 2019, events aligned with at least 19 predictions related to the Trump Administration. For details go to https://www.cogwriter.com/donald-trump-prophecy.htm       By the year after Joe Biden took office, his Administration had already fulfilled numerous predictive warnings in that book. Some detailed proof can be found in the following: Have published COGwriter warnings about Joe Biden come to pass?
Prediction	In 2013, in an article about the future of Ukraine and Russia, Bob Thiel said that at least part of the territory in Ukraine would support Russia.	On March 18, 2014, Russia officially annexed Crimea.
Prediction	On March 18, 2019, Bob Thiel posted: It remains my view that Crimea and at least parts of eastern Ukraine will ultimately align with Russia. International sanctions will not stop biblical prophecies from being fulfilled.	Sanctions did not stop Russia.
Prediction	On February 22, 2022, two days before Russia’s ‘special military operation’ into Ukraine began, Bob Thiel posted: I expect that Donetsk and Luhansk will either be annexed by Russia and/or join its Eurasian Economic Union.

On September 30, 2022, Russia formally annexed Donetsk and Luhansk.

Imagine you are in the world tomorrow and are lounging next to your swimming pool as lions and tigers play with your kids. You are bored and you pick up the latest edition of the Bible that has every conversation of the "important" men in the COG movement (1030-1986) recorded in it. No one else in the span of human history has ever accomplished such a thing.

Isn't the COG fantastic!

Then, the Great Bwana goes on to justify his words because deep down he knows 99.99% of the COG members know he is full of bullshit!

Clearly the above are not all coincidental nor the only result of analytical news skills and biblical knowledge, particularly on those that were related to the health of Dr. Roderick and Sheryl Meredith.

Jesus said that fruits were the criteria to determine true vs. false prophets (John 7:15-20). The Continuing Church of God has the true fruits.

If only two of the confirmed dreams and/or prophetic fulfillments were the result of something from God (cf. Matthew 18:16), then this is Divine validation of Bob Thiel’s prophetic status. And since no other COG has God’s confirmation of a prophetic leader like this, this is something that any claiming to be true Church of God Christians should pay attention to. And, of course, anyone who accepts and truly understands biblical church governance realizes that prophets are only considered second to apostles (1 Corinthians 12:28; Ephesians 4:11)–so if there are no accepted apostles today, those outside of CCOG should consider that they need to properly respond to Philadelphian biblical church governance.

Do not be Laodicean (Revelation 3:14-18) about this–“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21, KJV).

God expects Christians to accept the criteria in His word.

The Laodiceans do not want to hear prophets and even Jesus has to knock to get them to pay even minimal attention:

20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. (Revelation 3:20)

JC isn't knocking on any door in order to make people believe COG prophets and apostles. There is no need for either of them today. Bob is a liar when he says stuff like this. Bob is no more a Christian than Dave Pack is. They are on equal status as COG false prophets.

Beto ends with this convoluted mess of self-justification:

Jesus did NOT say He would knock the door down to force Laodiceans to change! He said He would knock. Can you accept His knocking?

Jesus also told the Laodiceans to “anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see” (Revelation 3:18). The salve is responding to the work of God’s Spirit as His word teaches how it would impact the last days (cf. Revelation 3:22). Jesus “advised the spiritually blind Laodiceans to buy eyesalve of Him that they might have spiritual vision” (The Seven Cities of Asia Minor. Study guide for Ambassador College. Quotes from 1947 book by Taylor Bunch).

Will you answer Jesus’ criteria in the Bible? Do you have the proper spiritual vision to realize that prophetic dreams were to exist in these last days?

Although Jesus gave many signs (John 2:11; 6:2, 26; 7:31; 9:16; 11:47; 12:37), the people apparently wanted different ones:

37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:

“Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” (John 12:37-38)

Jesus denounced those who wanted different signs from Him (Matthew 12:38-39). Non-Philadelphians are often unwilling to accept God’s signs–that’s the biblical reality. God does not always show signs or manifestations of His Spirit the way many seem to think He has to.

Dave Pack: Has his mind wandered off without him?

 

Half-Minded

 

David C. Pack has lost his mind.

 

Mr. Kranky Kislev bitches his way through one hour and forty-two minutes of biblical fantasy during “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 409),” given on December 10, 2022.

 

The uber-timing reveal was that his calculations for the pre-Christmas Kingdom were off by half a day. That was the issue all along. Half a day. So, of course, Elijah-Elect had a hard time seeing the timing correctly. Until now.

 

Exercise the “simplicity in Christ” to follow the logic:

 

Sunset Christmas Eve on December 24 (Kislev 30) begins Tevet 1, which also starts the first day of the week, Sunday. That occurs at 4:40 PM in Jerusalem. Calculating the seven-hour time difference makes it 9:40 AM EST. The events that were previously thought to start on Kislev 1 and then Kislev 16 are now 10 ½ days before December 24, not 15 days. Instead of Elijah getting in your business on Friday, December 9 at 9:35 AM, he will now make your ears bleed sometime around December 14-ish, which is Kislev 20-ish. The half-day calculation could be the difference between sunset and sunrise, which is currently 10 hours and 4 minutes, or it could be a full 12-hour-half of 24 hours. Mmmkay?

 

Yeah, too simple to get wrong.

 

Dave was not confident enough in his new discovery to give the audience an utterance of the exact day and hour but left it to each person to do their own math. He must hate the countdowns on the website because there is no way to correctly calculate an “-ish.”

 

For the skimmers: The updated for-realsies period to watch is 10 ½ days before sunset on December 24, which is December 14 (Kislev 20) at some time around thereabouts. Ish.

 

 

To set the mood for Part 409, Dave began by stating a lie. Then, he repeated it later.

 

@ 00:03 All is well. We’re still on track.

@ 15:12 We’re right on track, people of God! We are on track.

 

Considering the day before was a salvation-failure date, that statement is both stupid and insulting.

 

Part 406 – November 26, 2022

@ 44:03 …at 9:35 on Friday, December 9th…That’s when you will look like Christ. Period.

 

David C. Pack is not a man of his word. That is not an opinion.

 

Part 402 – October 25, 2022

@ 09:00 But we're right on time. Nothing's gonna change.

 

Part 407 – November 30, 2022

@ 1:23:44 We’re right on track. Not a word, not a syllable, not a vowel or consonant I uttered last week would I change.

 

It is a foolish act to believe anything David C. Pack says. The man lies to the members of The Restored Church of God. The man lies to himself. Try reading it in bold.

 

David C. Pack lies.

 

Part 403 – November 5, 2022

@ 01:51 Now, more than ever, I can tell you this: Salvation will come in November 2022.

 

 

Part 409 was so urgent it was streamed live around the world to commandeer the Sabbath of some. More recently, a Bible Study after Services would be conducted, but that was not invasive enough for Dave. Depending on when folks were having their Services, some members of RCG dodged a bullet while others had to take one for the team by being force-fed Dave’s goofy ideas.

 

He laid in pretty heavy to explain his half-minded problem of a half a day discovery.

 

@ 02:16 So, it isn’t 30 days. It never could be. It could be 29 ½, but it can’t be 30 ½.

@ 02:28 It can’t be 15. That’s impossible. And this was my problem. It could be 14 ½ or 15 ½. Although, that would be kind of insane. That means that we were blessed a half a day after the Kingdom came. But, it has to involve a half.

 

The half-issue did not fully explain away why Friday and Wednesday failed. Dave chose to make many words come out of his mouth while reading verses, so a clear answer as to why he was wrong gets lost in the drone of his white-noise voice.

 

Just remember that a half-day is a big deal now. Can we please let the past go and move on? Thank you.

 

 

Some pretty warped psychological meat on the bones is coming your way. Get prepared. Some of this was covered in the RCG “What If?” article.

 

@ 04:08 I’ve gotta be faithful with this. He that handles the word of God cannot do it deceitfully.

 

Deep down, he knows he is handling God’s word deceitfully. It is like the guy slipping his hand into your pocket to grab your wallet while looking you in the eyes, saying, “I am not stealing from you.” There are heavy pathological brain functions in play that I am not qualified to diagnose.

 

@ 04:17 I know there are people in the church and people who’ve been with us who would do it much better than I would. If you doubt it, just ask them.

 

RCG is chock-full and running over with accusers. The ungrateful, doubting critics in the Main Hall glare at Dave, piercing his soul. Rather than people wondering why he can never get anything right, Dave sees it as people thinking they can do it better. That is not the issue.

 

Acknowledging what is wrong is not the same as proclaiming you have the answer. Seeing something broken with my vehicle does not mean I know how to fix it. The people trapped inside RCG know in their hearts and in their guts that things are terribly wrong. They are not saying they have special knowledge from God on how to make it right.

 

You will never be able to convince Dave of that. Nope. RCG is a church full of sullen-faced know-it-alls.

 

Instead of using logic, facts, and clear Bible verses to explain his errors, Dave rolls onto his back to expose his soft belly and genitals to The Restored Church of God, counting on getting petted rather than beaten.

 

@ 04:25 They don’t face the pressures. I don’t talk about this a lot. The pressure is staggering. I have chest pains you wouldn’t even believe, and I'm probably gonna be sorry I told you. And when you have my heart history, it's not a good thing because of the pressure to get it right.

 

Meaning: “Hey, folks. I am trying so hard and I care so much that I am practically killing myself to get this right for you. I am sacrificing for you. This is so important to me, it is harming my health.”

 

The problem is Dave is not supposed to be doing this. God did not raise him to complete this task.

 

How hard it is to kick against the pricks, Dave. Nobody in RCG is asking you to do this. If the enablers at Headquarters had the spines, to be honest, they would tell you they DO NOT WANT you to do this. Everyone wants you to stop. The brethren want you to stop. The “ministers” want you to stop. Just stop.

 

@ 04:53 And over 15,000 hours of study didn’t readily reveal the problem. You can’t just surmise. The Bible has to tell us. And it must tell us.

 

Have you ever heard a more perfect example of “Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth?”

 

 

Dave says the darndest things.

 

@ 14:20 So, we don't need to talk anymore about whether or not it can go beyond this year. If it can, we need somebody else to teach you…

 

He is broadcasting to everyone inside The Restored Church of God, “You need to replace me!” He is screaming it over and over. But they cannot hear him.

 

@ 14:28 …because I don’t see any way that I could ever come to anything different in the same book that somebody else would study for some additional 15 to 20,000 hours. Closer to 20.

 

Dave initially underestimated his amount of study by 5,000 hours. Since he enjoys math, I used a non-biblical calculator to put that in perspective. This equals 208 days.

 

Studying your Bible 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, would equal 6.9 months of solid study. And that is just the amount he forgot to mention ten minutes ago.

 

20,000 hours equals 833 days. That equals 27.76 months.

 

Consider if that were true. David C. Pack still has not gotten one thing right. His failure rate stands at 100%, which is impressive in any other industry. And yet, God is revealing all of this to him? Sure.

 

20,000 hours of Bible study = zero results. That is not the kind of math I would brag about.

 

If I studied anything for 833 solid days and continued to fail, I would consider a new vocation. It takes a particularly hardened mind to deny such proof of pure failure. And yet, Dave pulls this off.

 

But only with the support of his hireling enablers at Headquarters. These men are equally to blame for the continuing Presumption Circus of Biblical Fraud:

 

Bradford Schleifer - Edward Winkfield - Ryan Denee

Jaco Viljoen - Kenneth Orel - Carl Houk

Timothy Ranney - Salasi Jezhi - James Habboush

Andrew Holcombe - Frank Lydick - Raymond Garb

 

Collectively, they have the power to stop David C. Pack's madness, but they choose not to act. Shame on the lot of them.

 

 

Dave throws God under the bus again. For a man who just declared that he fears God, he seems to have no problem pointing the finger at Him when things do not pan out as Dave said they would.

 

Watch how a false prophet blames God if he is wrong.

 

@ 18:38 The only way we go further if Christmas and all the proofs were a ruse by God to throw us off. And all the things that point to Sunday, including logic, were a ruse by God to throw us off. Then, there is no Mount Everest. We just built one, and it's a mirage. And God deliberately…threw us off. Does that sound like the God who would never lie to us? I doubt it. I don’t think so.

 

What utterly blasphemous statements. Wow. I would fear saying such words more than accidentally taking out a crosswalk full of nuns. But this is far from the first time Dave has accused God.

 

Part 406 – November 25, 2022

@ 42:33 And on God’s authority, I’m gonna tell you what verse 39 means.

@ 44:16 Or the Bible means something different. God has countermanded His word…

 

According to David C. Pack, because the Elijahn period did not start on Wednesday and the 1335 did not begin on Friday, the Bible is flawed, and God revoked His word.

 

David C. Pack is not wrong. God just tricked him. And yet, people continue to stay in RCG.

 

 

@ 23:39 If this doesn’t electrify you, you’re in the wrong church.

 

Those that are electrified may be beyond hope. People inside RCG know they are in the wrong church but do not know what to do about it. They do not see a soft place to land if they exit.

 

There is no soft place to land. Those vexed by the apostasy of The Worldwide Church of God had to face the same dilemma. They need to flee. That is the only option.

 

How much more poison can they ingest before it kills them?

 

Some left this past weekend. More will continue to resign. What will it take to trigger a mass exodus?

 

As the clock winds down to December 25, ponder what life will be like on December 26 at Headquarters. Perhaps David C. Pack will stop. Or be stopped. If not, then Janus will be back on the menu.

 

It is hard to believe this is only half the story of Part 409. The other half will be covered in the following article.

Marc Cebrian

See: Half-Minded

LCG Members Letting Contentions Divide Them

  

The weekly smackdown has been a little late each week because the boys in Charlotte caught on that someone was passing it on to me each week BEFORE it was read in church.

Nevertheless, here is Doug's latest smackdown of LCG members who just can never seem to do anything right.

Unlike the church members in Paul's time who worked TOGETHER due to their love for each other, today's church members are a contentious lot who are not of the same mind and therefore constantly being divided for one reason or another. Not that any minister would EVER do such a thing, just the lowly sheeple who are at fault.

Kind of like when Rod Meredith and his buddies plotted in the background to start the Global Church of God while the Worldwide Church of God was defending him for libeling Leona McNair. While WCG was doing this his cohorts were working in the background to steal member lists from the mother church. Then, not content with their own new splinter group divisions soon split the church as Meredith and others stirred the pot again by creating division and contention in the Global Church of God.  Just like before, the same miscreants were plotting to form a new splinter group that Meredith could just waltz right over to never having to worry for a minute whether he was still getting paid.

Before the boys in Charlotte start blaming members for not working together, causing contentions, and being divisive, they need to get their own house in order.

The Importance of Working Together: Jesus called His disciples “friends” and encouraged them to “love one another” (John 15:12–17). The Apostle Paul referred to those who assisted him in his ministry as "my fellow workers" (Romans 16:3; Colossians 4:11), and Church members as "workers together" with God (2 Corinthians 6:1). These unique opportunities come with important responsibilities, and the Scriptures provide practical guidelines for working together. We are to be of the same mind and not let contentions divide us (1 Corinthians 1:10–13). We are advised to avoid being haughty, conceited, or ambitious for a position or recognition, but to work together peacefully and in harmony (Romans 12:16–18). We are reminded that repeating rumors disrupts friendships (Proverbs 17:9) and that a converted person is “easily entreated” (James 3:17, KJV). As we learn to “love one another” and treat each other as friends, we will be more effective “fellow workers” for the Kingdom of God.

Have a profitable Sabbath,

Douglas S. Winnail

Dave Pack: David Admits to Chest Pains - What if?

 

RCG “What If?”

 

While reviewing "The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 409)," delivered yesterday, December 10, 2022, something David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God said sparked an interesting line of thinking that captured my attention.

 

@ 04:08 I’ve gotta be faithful with this. He that handles the word of God cannot do it deceitfully. I know there are people in the church and people who’ve been with us who would do it much better than I would…They don’t face the pressures…The pressure is staggering. I have chest pains you wouldn’t even believe…it’s not a good thing because of the pressure to get it right. I fear God…the pressure is staggering. And over 15,000 hours of study didn’t readily reveal the problem.

 

The fuller comments are less than one minute.

There will be a more complete analysis when the article covering Part 409 is published.

 

These statements pulled me into a line of thought I would not have shared two months ago. In interviews and privately, folks ask me what I think will happen to David C. Pack and The Restored Church of God. Since I am an unordained non-prophet/non-psychic, I still say I do not know.

 

However, I have my theories. 

 

For David C. Pack to admit he has chest pains is a big deal. He historically hides that type of thing. The pressure he feels to get things right flies in the face of the idea that God is guiding him into truth. God’s Spirit is moving him to unveil the Mystery of God. The Greatest Untold Story! Series is a prophecy being fulfilled.

 

With his admitted chest pains, his mental reality is crashing, and his body is telling him so. The physical world is colliding with his imaginary world.

 

The following is a work of "reasonable" fiction based on my understanding of the players inside RCG. I know these men. I worked with them for over eight years. All of this could happen. Whether it does or not is in God's hands.

 

 

David C. Pack is killing himself. The best thing for him and all the members of The Restored Church of God is to declare that he is not fit to lead. He should resign as Pastor General immediately. He should admit he has been wrong and was seduced by the excitement of figuring out Bible prophecy. After he set his first date and failed, he knew there was no turning back. The train can never stop.

 

Surrounded by weak enablers, he was encouraged to continue. Nobody shouted, "The Emperor is naked!" from the crowd or the third floor.

 

By far, 2022 has been the worst, with the continual date-setting and failures followed by even more date-setting and failures. Excuses, excuses. Blame and boo hoo. It is all figured out, but then there is something “we” missed. David C. Pack has become the very thing he warned RCG about. But, he has also become what the Bible has warned about.

 

He needs to stop and admit he fell into an addiction. And like all addicts, he must focus on sobriety to begin the recovery process. Until then, he cannot be trusted. He needs to put his Bible down, spend quality time with his wife, and get professional help so he can heal.

 

 

For the sake of his own health, David C. Pack steps down as President and CEO of The Restored Church of God. He resigns as Pastor General. He stops preaching.

 

The structure of God’s government dictates that the only living evangelist steps in to lead, which no brethren disagree with. Bradford G. Schleifer is rewarded for his years of suffering under an insufferable man. He leads a “Great Reset” on doctrine. He restores 95% of Herbert W. Armstrong’s understanding. He instructs the ministers to focus on Christian growth sermons and diminish the need to “figure out” prophecy. “God will do it in His own time,” will be a comforting principle.

 

There is a Great Reset Damage Control Campaign to reassure the brethren that RCG is still God's church and that this nine-year trial by fire has ended. Since Jesus Christ is the head of the church and not a man, losing David C. Pack as Pastor General is a small matter not to be concerned about. After all, Joshua took over when Moses died. Solomon became king after David. This is the Bible pattern.

 

RCG endures a MASSIVE wave of resignations across the globe. About half the church evaporates within the next few weeks. The hirelings at Headquarters and in the field smell the blood in the water and scatter like cockroaches when the light comes on. Some staff members see this as their chance to bolt. And bolt, they do.

 

Splinter groups COGwa, UCG, and LCG have a sudden influx of new members seeking refuge from a burning house. The RCG Exodus is talked about throughout the entire COG community.

 

The Restored Church of God putters along. For a while.

 

Mrs. Pack files for divorce before the U-Haul arrives. Dave’s children still do not accept his calls even though they know what is happening.

 

Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy are demoted for their contribution to the attempted destruction of RCG. They can keep their ordinations but are sent out into the field to learn how to shepherd. Some real pastoring experience will do them good, it is thought. But, both resign after a few weeks, deciding it is better to focus on real life and their families rather than continue to support a broken system that God is not supporting.

 

Brad addresses the “rising star” inside RCG, that has had his eyes on the throne. Edward L. Winkfield is sent into the field, probably to Australia or another country. This removes him from Headquarters so that he is no longer a threat to the new head honcho.

 

The three horses are sold at a discount or shipped off to make glue. All the properties along Hartman Road are put up for sale. The Campus land extending from Eagle Point to Hartman is on sale for development or farming.

 

The previous owners are offered to get their land back for pennies on the dollar. They accept and allow the grass to grow wild again in the sight of Dave's house.

 

Once those financial resources are depleted, the homes along Akron Road are sold. One at a time, just in case attendance and Common turns things around. But, the hull has been pierced, and the Titanic will flounder.

 

Without warning, Brad resigns from RCG and flees to settle someplace nice with the self-insulating nest egg he legally created with his corporate position. “How did his golden parachute get so big so fast?” will be a question former RCG members will wonder about for years.

 

I told you he was a savvy guy.

 

By this point, Dave grows a beard and wears a robe all day. He has secretly begun to study Bible prophecy again. God reveals some amazing things he wishes he had known years ago. Now, it all makes sense. It fits perfectly. The picture is finally complete. He preaches to the mirror but manages to keep it under 90 minutes each time. Part 502 is a barnburner of a message. Very inspiring.

 

He watches the Campus and church he built collapse from his window. It grieves him. As does the eviction notice on the chair that doubles as a dining table.

 

If only he had not eaten the forbidden fruit of setting dates for the return of Jesus Christ.

 

If only he had not self-ordained himself an apostle.

 

If only he had not come to see he was Joshua, the High Priest of Zechariah 3.

 

If only he had not believed he was Elijah the Prophet.

 

If only he had not taken on a name of Christ for himself, claiming he is actually That Prophet.

 

If only he had seen what was so plainly presented before his own eyes.

 

 

The reality is David C. Pack will not admit fault. He will not see his errors, and he will not quit. He will continue to set dates and watch them fail. The enabling hirelings will continue to agree. The brethren will continue to wait to be disappointed.

 

Those pressure-induced chest pains are not a sign of God's Spirit comforting him because he is right on track and fulfilling God's good pleasure. It should be a stark warning of where he is and where he is heading.

 

The end of him and RCG will be far worse than the scenario presented.

 

May God have mercy on David C. Pack.

Marc Cebrian

See: What If?

"Armstrongism is inoculated with just enough Christianity that it builds their immunity up to resist real Christianity when they get exposed to it. "

 

One of the longest-running posts here about the absurdities of Jon Brisby, the "leader" of the Church of God, The Eternal, now has 2018 comments. Sometimes it is filled with wild and outlandish comments in the midst of some truly troubling ones. Brisby is just like all other men leading COGs today who feel their self-importance makes them the most valuable leader the church has ever had. 

Today, a comment was made that describes perfectly the entire problem with Armstrongism and why it has been such a failure.

Herbert's Doctor said...

Armstrongism is inoculated with just enough Christianity that it builds their immunity up to resist real Christianity when they get exposed to it. 

Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:29:00 PM PST  Church of God, The Eternal's Jon Brisby Sinks To A New Vile Low

When those entrenched in Armstrongism are exposed to basic Christian beliefs that are universally understood, many react with anger and with great gnashing of teeth. The basic beliefs of grace, justification, and sanctification are like dropping an atomic bomb in the midst of some COG groups. Their minds explode with a lot of "buts". In the Church of God, "buts" are always the most powerful decider of doctrine in the church. 

Condemnation is the word of the day in most COG's and they thrive upon it in their sermons, magazines, and broadcasts. Most of that condemnation is geared toward the world, but much of the time members are also weighed down by condemnation.