Monday, April 7, 2014

When Is An Apostle Not A Prophet?

Eric King:  HWA's failed prophecies were actually speculative predictions. Therefore, he cannot be held accountable.

What we must remember is the fact that God did not call Mr. H.W.Armstrong to be a “prophet”, God called Mr. H.W.Armstrong to be an APOSTLE. It is true that Mr. H.W.Armstrong longed for the appearing of his Savior, Jesus Christ. The apostle Paul during the New Testament era felt that he too might see the return of Christ Jesus in his day. Apostle Paul wrote in terms of disciples “longing for His appearing”. This is something that all true Christians do. So we must understand that what Mr. H.W.Armstrong spoke about regarding these types of issues should more appropriately be called “predictions” and NOT prophecies. Speculation is not a sin.


Anonymous said...

I remember hearing at AC, "God would not allow his apostle to be wrong" on doctrinal issues. We had to accept his authority. When he is wrong on a prediction, he doesn't want to be held accountable. It sounds like he wants it both ways: authority but not accountability.

Anonymous said...

Speculation is not a sin.

Of course it isn't. There's no such thing as sin. Just like there's no such thing as "apostles" and "prophets." But still, to set up shop in the snake oil business claiming to be an "apostle" or a "prophet" knowing you're no such thing is unforgivable. And then to use that pulpit as a platform from which to make "prophecies," "predictions," or "speculations" is likewise also. When you've duped people into believing you are a representative of a deity, there's no difference between those three things. They're 3 different shades of black.

You gettin all this, Eric?

Anonymous said...

Since the whole COG scam depends on lectern-pounding fearmongering, regularly scheduled pronouncements of imminent doom, and the emergence of the antichrist hidden inside every weather report to keep the members in line and the cash coming in, this doesn't come as a shock.

Byker Bob said...

Who is going to pick up the tab for all the bad stuff that happened in our lives as a result of 1972-75? The British Israelism and German Assyrianism? Or, as Smokey the Bear always asked, "Who's responsible for this terrible disaster?"

We were admonished time and time again from the pulpit that we were to take every word the ministers said as if they had come directly from Jesus Christ.

So, sorry, Eric.Your idol, Mr. Pervert W. Incest does not get a pass based on semantics. A false prophet is one who makes false predictions and expects his followers to take them as if they came from members of the deity. Did these idiots not use their false prohecies to scare, control, and manipulate us? Yes! Frankly, they would even be held accountable for delayed fulfillment of their prophecies if they gave them prematurely.


old EXPCG hag said...

Did Eric King say this?... What we must remember is the fact that God did not call Mr. H.W.Armstrong to be a “prophet”, God called Mr. H.W.Armstrong to be an APOSTLE.

This guy does not know WHAT H.W. Armstrong claimed to be at all. H.W.A called himself an Apostle but also he claimed he fulfilled the role of the end time Elijah that was to come...

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. Malachi 4:5-6

As far as H.W.A. speculating and predicting of his own...he did do a lot of that.
I don't recall any prophets in the Bible ever speculating or predicting of themselves. They predicted only what God told them to.

So the way I see it, you cannot be a true Prophet sent from God, and be making your own predictions and speculations.

So I would think speculating and predicting on your own IS a sin if you are claiming to be the very important "Elijah the Prophet" sent from God Almighty!"

Who was H.W.A. to add to anything if he truly was sent by God?

And a more important question...what about that scripture Malachi 4:5-6??

Byker Bob said...

Yes, and by the way, it's nice to see that our prophet and prophetess are imitating the Waldenses, and wearing sandals! The idiot researchers at WCG always looked for words from different languages that sounded alike to trace the lost Israelites and find their people who allegedly kept the sabbath. So, when sabbots were associated with the Waldenses, the researchers assumed they kept the sabbath, but alas! Sabbots have nothing to do with the sabbath. They are a type of sandal native to that region!


Sweetblood777 said...

I have never heard HWA say that his prophecies were his personal opinion. Instead, HWA hammered home that he had the authority of Jesus Christ, which in affect, meant that what he says, had the backing of Yahshua, and thus, what he said is true.

Today, the subs repeat the same thing. They make out that they speak for Yahshua (called by them, Christ) when in fact, they have no such authority. If they had His authority, they would be performing true miracles and healing so many people that no one could deny it.

No, what we have today, are people who are simply hirelings merchandizing the Christ for their daily living. A true servant of Yahweh would be out there supporting himself while preaching the gospel to those that come into his daily contact. If Yahweh expects more than this, He would provide through miracles to accomplish it.

Anonymous said...

Anon. 4/7 at 12:54..."There's no such thing as sin" (breaking God's law)

That's like saying there is no such thing as felony/crime (breaking man's laws).

God's word tells us not to follow men such as HWA, DCP, etc. They can call themselves whatever they want, they were/are NOT sent from above!!! A false prophet picks and chooses to his liking and is not set apart. We are supposed to come out of Egypt/bondage and following these men is just that. Come out of her my people.

Corky said...

The excuse for the failed prophecies of the Bible is to call them "unfulfilled prophecies" that will be fulfilled in the "end time".

That Jesus would return "soon" and the judgment day was "at hand" 2,000 years ago is just a plain old failed prophecy. Some people wake up to that fact and the rest prefer to sleep late.

Anonymous said...

"There's no such thing as sin" (breaking God's law) That's like saying there is no such thing as felony/crime (breaking man's laws).

Silly person. These would be the same if people didn't exist. If there aren't any people, then there aren't any laws.