Tuesday, January 12, 2016

Bob Thiel Struggles to Prove He Is A Prophet After Doug Winnail Deflates His Bubble Again

Doug Winnail of the Living Church of God has taken another broad swipe at the outrageous claims of Bob Thiel.  This is just the latest in a series of smackdowns by Rod Meredith and the Living Church off God to discredit Bob Thiel.

As usual, Thiel takes it personally and lets his bitterness shine forth.  It must really be frustrating  for Bob to have imagined himself all these years as Rod Meredith's confident and spiritual advisor and  then to have Meredith turn his back on him and mock him.

Thiel writes:

12/13/15 a.m. LCG had the following announcement read in services yesterday from its Dr. Douglas Winnail:
Some of the strongest condemnations delivered by the Hebrew prophets were against the leaders of Israel who “cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness” and “who try to make My people forget My nameby their dreams” (Jeremiah 23:13, 26-27, 32; see also Isaiah 3:129:16).
Normally, I would have not mentioned something like this, but coming relatively close after the recommended CCOG sermon Dreams, COGs, and One Man Rule, perhaps it should be commented upon. 

Thiel is under the impression that his nightmares have spiritual significance.  Following in the footsteps of Herbert Armstrong, who started his version of the Church of God movement based upon the nightmares of Loma, Thiel bases his entire movement upon his own nightmares and the "double blessing" he received.

Thiel tries uses the Bible to back up his claim of being an "old man" who dreams dreams:

The Bible teaches the following: 
17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. 18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. (Acts 2:17-18) 
Is the Bible true? 
Of course it is. 
Why ask that? 
Because that verse says that in the latter days, old men would have dreams--this means dreams for God. And that some with God's Spirit would prophesy. 
No leader currently in the Living Church of God has claimed that prophetic dreams happened to them. The same is true for all the leaders in groups once part of the old GCG, except the Continuing Church of God
I had two dreams. I was about 50 at the time of the first one, which essentially makes me an ‘old man’ per Numbers 8:25; cf. John 8:57. And about 52 at the time of the second one.
Having dreams can lead to people mocking you, especially when you make these dreams public claiming that God told you to do something.  Thiel knows he is routinely mocked by LCG members and hierarchy and by others. He has this to say:

Some people want to discount dreams, but notice what God taught:
6 “Hear now My words:
If there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision;
I speak to him in a dream. (Numbers 12:6)
While it seemed to me that from my dreams God was calling me to be a prophet, I was not sure at first that the message was from God. Lest that seem unusual, Jeremiah the prophet sometimes wondered as well--he, like I, realized the message was from God when the message was confirmed (see Jeremiah 32:6-8). Also the Apostle Peter at least once had a vision that he did not understand (Acts 10:9-17) until later as well (Acts 11:5-17). 

Thiel then claims that all of the upper brass at Living Church of God were beginning to realize that he was prophet as early as 2008.

On October 3, 2008, Dr. Meredith (Presiding Evangelist of the Living Church of God) called me and said to me, “God may consider you to be a prophet.” Notice that this came from a long-time evangelist and did not first come out from me. It was Dr. Meredith who first brought up the topic about Bob Thiel being a prophet. In January 2009, Dr. Meredith told me over the telephone that if he (Dr. Meredith) was raised to the office of apostle, he was considering ordaining me (Bob Thiel) as a prophet. On February 4, 2009, Dr. Meredith told me over the telephone, “You have an in-depth understanding {of prophetic matters}—you could be a prophet.” In the Summer of 2009, Dibar Apartian told me, in quite a positive tone, that Dr. Meredith had been stating in top level meetings that Bob Thiel may be a prophet. Because of Dibar Apartian's statements, later that Summer or perhaps early Fall, I asked Dr. Douglas Winnail, if he was part of top LCG level discussions stating that Bob Thiel may be a prophet. He said yes.

Thiel is doing all he can to make people believe he is a prophet.  Next, he drags Gaylyn Bonjour back into the mix.

I prayed in November/December 2012 that on my next trip to Charlotte, NC, that God would, one way or the other, make the prophet matter clear to me. On the morning of December 15, 2011, upon arriving at the Charlotte HQ of LCG, I asked to meet with Gary Ehman as I wanted to get anointed for some non-debilitating matters as well as to ask him to pray that I be granted wisdom for my meetings with the HQ evangelists. But Gary Ehman was not in.  So instead, I asked to meet with Gaylyn Bonjour (with whom I never had any discussions prior about me possibly being some type of prophet). I asked Gaylyn Bonjour if he would do the anointing and pray that God would grant me wisdom for the meetings. He agreed. But while laying hands upon me, Gaylyn Bonjour also happened (it was not planned nor did I say anything to encourage this) to ask God to grant me a “double-portion” of His Holy Spirit and anointed me with oil. I asked him if he had ever prayed for a a double-portion anointing before, he said he had not, and that the only 'double-portion' he knew of was when Elisha received the double-portion and the mantle in 2 Kings 2. I then attended a meeting with the evangelists and did not then have time to discuss more of what this might mean with Gaylyn Bonjour. On Sunday 12/18/11 night at a family wedding reception, without discussing the matter, I stared at Gaylyn Bonjour for a few moments, without saying anything and then asked, “Do you have any idea of what you may have accidently done?”  Gaylyn Bonjour said, “Yes, I think so.”

Another proof Thiel drags out is the fact he is an old man who dreams.

Within two weeks of my leaving LCG, on January 7, 2013, Dr. Douglas Winnail sent me an email, which included the statement, "we made comments to you  that 'you may be a prophet.'" 
As far as I am aware, I the only COG leader who met the criteria of being an 'old man' who had a dream that was confirmed as well as a prayer answered about being given an anointing reminiscent of being a prophet. 
Thiel claims that ever since he left the Living Church of God it has sunk unto apostasy.

Since the time of my departure from LCG, it has promoted more and more doctrinal and prophetic errors as it refuses to believe the Bible and the power of God  
In spite of Winnail's smack down, Thiel trots out the following as proof he is a prophet.

Few will believe:
  1. Dr, Meredith on more than one occasion stated that God may consider me to be a prophet.
  1. That God speaks to His prophets in dreams (Number 12:6).
  1. I had two dreams that were confirmed by subsequent events, thus confirming they were from God (Jeremiah 32:6-8; Acts 10:9-17, 11:5-17).
  1. Dreams and prophets are required in the last days (Acts 2:17-18).
  1. God answered my prayer (cf. Psalm 65:2)
  1. God does not always get anointings done the way people think they should be (Genesis 27:25-37; 2 Kings 9:1-3).
  1. Therefore my anointing was a real answer to prayer and God's intervention.
Fortunately, Thiel ranks right up there with the other false prophets of Armstrongism. His nonsense is just as appallingly bad as Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, Gerald Waterhouse, Dean Blackwell, Herbert Armstrong and many others.


Black Ops Mikey said...

I've had dreams lately that Armstrongism ceases to exist.

It must be from God and mean something important.

Byker Bob said...

When is this guy going to just shut up and disappear? Some prophet! He doesn't even prophesy, instead he just whines and blogs about being a prophet. And, it doesn't even give him warm fuzzy feelings! It seems to have made him into an insecure wreck of a human being. Who would take that kind of prophet seriously?


DennisCDiehl said...

Isn't it strange that a God that has a message so important that one must get it exactly right or end up cooked alive in a lake of lava vaguely communicates through dreams that may or may not be the result of those onion rings before bed, glowing stones, casting lots or convincing you that , "no it's really me..sure I look like just another burning bush, but it's really me!"

One is supposed to trust the rantings of a prophet who lies on his side for a year muttering, laying siege to a frying pan or cooking his food in or with his own dung (which doesn't really burn like a cow pie) so probably in it, as from God when it just may be a good case of mental illness at play.

Add to that the "fact" that Bitter Bob presents often a God trying to get our attention with the weather ( in its season of course) and...well it's just all pretty weak and lame of a Deity to try being in touch in these ridiculous ways. A God that has to "try" needs a course in communication.

Those who trust in the dreams of others, or their own, as being genuine and true communication from another realm get what they deserve for being so foolish in their thinking. It's also an attempt to claim specialness undeserved and unearned in search of a false credibility.

Bob, Dave and Gerry are the Larry, Moe and Curly of theology

Anonymous said...

It's too bad that Booby Thiel didn't receive a double portion of common sense instead of the pretend blessing he got.

Michael said...

Dennis wrote:
"Isn't it strange that a God that has a message so important that one must get it exactly right or end up cooked alive in a lake of lava vaguely communicates through dreams that may or may not be the result of those onion rings before bed.."

Well put.
And i would add that if this God is incapable of acting in ways that are indistinguishable from hallucination, he has nobody but himself to blame if people don't go for it.
(Although amazingly, and despite it being suspiciously similar to hallucination, a significant number of people still *do* go for it!)

Anonymous said...

I like how Theil wants to discredit RCM in every way EXCEPT that RCM said he might be a profit. You can't have it both ways.

For the record, both Meredith and Theil are sociopathic liars with profound delusions of grandeur.

How they get people to follow them escapes me.

DennisCDiehl said...

Bitter Bob proves:

I had two dreams that were confirmed by subsequent events, thus confirming they were from God (Jeremiah 32:6-8 Acts 10:9-17, 11:5-17.

Dreams and prophets are required in the last days (Acts 2:17-18O.

God answered my prayer (cf. Psalm 65:2

God does not always get anointings done the way people think they should be (Genesis 27:25-37; 2 Kings 9:

Therefore my anointing was a real answer to prayer and God's intervention."

My question is:

I what way is this kind of reasoning fundamentally different from delusions and psychosis with religious content or otherwise mentally ill patient explaining how God speaks to him with his counselor or psychiatrist?

"Patients with delusions – and especially those with religious delusions – tended also to be more religious than those. And this is where their real problems begin.

For one thing, despite being more religious, patients with religious delusions actually engage in fewer group religious activities and receive less support from their religious communities than do patients with non-religious delusions. That’s presumably because their religious communities find these religious delusions particularly disturbing.

These patients also are more likely to find that their religion brings them into conflict with psychiatrists and others who are trying to provide mental health support. In fact, one in four of them have come to believe that their religion does not allow them to take antipsychotic medication."


It is interesting that those with religious delusions tend toward avoiding other church activities and organizations because of the disturbances they cause in them and they are not welcomed well and prefer to be alone and in charge so as not to have to address the problem personally and live in denial of it. Sounds familiar in the "And yes brethren, I am an Apostle" approach of those who have started their own slivers in the COGs.

It is a fact that delusional minds with religious content and narcissists rise to the "top" because they possess the traits necessary to eliminate all others

Sweetblood777 said...

Bob, if you do read this site, then I propose that you should prophesy something since you are a prophet, right?

Would not this prove one way or another that you are what you say you are?

So go ahead and state a prophecy. Now it must be something totally that no one would have suspected or could be the result of an obvious outcome.

So as Clint would say, 'make my day.'

Anonymous said...

I believe the prophet used cow dung, not human dung. A few days back, l dreamt that l was sleeping in my bed. Next to me, sharing my bed was a giant sleeping cat. I am not making this up. I wonder what it all means?

Connie Schmidt said...

After reading again about Thiel's craziness, I think I need a double dose too! Of...


DennisCDiehl said...

Bob's way of logic and reasoning seems to go like this:

I was told I might be a prophet
The Bible has prophets
I like the Bible
Therefore I am a prophet

I have dreams
The Bible has dreamers
God speaks to dreamers
My dreams must be Biblical and God speaks to me

I had a cold
The Bible says to get anointed
I was given a double portion of Biblical cold medicine
Prophets without colds got double portions
My cold went away so I must be a prophet

Anonymous said...

The Living Church members are lucky that Roderick Meredith did not go along with all of bitter Bob's baloney. Imagine what it would be like if everyone was expected to put up with every spiritual retard who thought that he was a prophet these days! Now the only problem the barely Living Church members have to worry about is Roderick Meredith's own numerous “doctrinal upgrades.” Well, that plus all the wolves inside and outside the LCG waiting to tear everyone to pieces while trying to get at their wallets after Roderick Meredith dies. It is unfortunate that RCM was such a bad character. It is also unfortunate that what will happen after he dies will be even worse.

Anonymous said...

He already thinks he is one of the two witnesses, though he's not fully willing to say that outright yet. Why he's holding back on that earthshaking, gamechanging (okay, more like overly well-trod) revelation is anyone's guess.

Anonymous said...

I dream that I can fly....doesn't make me an F-22!