Tuesday, November 29, 2016

Bob Thiel, Chief Hypocrite and Self Appointed Cult Leader Attacks Gavin Rumney

Earlier today Gavin Rumney made an announcement that he was discontinuing the Ambassador Watch blog, that he has faithfully run for many years documenting the dissolution of the Church of God into hundreds and hundreds of irrelevant little splinter personality groups.

This is likely, highly likely, to be the final Ambassador Watch or Otagosh posting. Those who know me as more than a cantankerous blogger also know that I've been fighting, without great success, a serious health situation. In the time I have left there are clearly other priorities, and I commend Gary's blog as a great place to keep "in the loop".

I guess I want to say that there's very little I regret. If I've horribly offended anyone unjustly, I apologize. There are a lot of good people in the COGs, battling on, as we all do, according to our best insights. The blogs will stay up, for what they're worth, even if only curiosity value.

Special thanks to everyone who has engaged in creative conversation here.


It did not take long before Almost Arrested Doubly Cursed Elisha Elijah Joshua Amos Bob Thiel of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God, had to start running off at the mouth.  Almost Arrested Thiel is not happy that Gavin is leaving his blog up for archival purposes.  Ambassador Watch documented the rapid decline of the Worldwide Church of God into hundreds and hundreds of irrelevant and meaningless little personality cults.

Gavin was particularly disturbed by the outright lies and deception of Bob Thiel and his self justification of his self appointment to be a splinter cult leader, with fake diploma mill Phd's and all.  If Thiel had been forthright and honest about what his degrees are in, the name of the granting "university" and his theological education, then maybe Gavin and the rest of us would have cut him some slack.  Thiel however does not care.  It is easier to deceive 1,997 Africans than it is to be honest, forthright and accountable.

The self-appointed false minister Thiel writes:

Gavin Rumney, the webmaster at the Ambassador Watch site (an anti-Church of God website), has once again decided to quit his site:
It is too bad that his blog will stay up. As far as Gary’s blog, that is a reference to the anti-COG site Banned by HWA.
Anyway, Gavin, in my view, had a lot more integrity years ago. But after he broke a promise he had made to me, and I called him out on it, he turned more towards hate. His promotion of the Banned by HWAsite is a further example of that.
Anyway, Gavin Rumney has posted enough untrue comments/innuendoes about me and various others that he should pull down what he has. 
Thiel is a liar.  Gavin has posted nothing untrue about the self-appointed false prophet.  That is a bitter pill for the apostate liar to handle.

Bitter Bob then slings this zinger:

Gavin Rumney as well as others running anti-COG sites have hated true Christians without cause.
I can state as 100% fact that Bob Thiel is NOT a "true" Christian.  He is NOT ordained by God, was never set apart by God to start a church, did not receive visions of God in a dream and is a professional Judizer, just like James Malm.

True Christians in any church are never bothered by accusations or questions about their beliefs or faith.  Only self appointed little men who set themselves up as grandiose men of authority or as dictators of their little groups get perturbed and angry when others question their motives and teachings.

Bob Thiel rejects everything about what Jesus did and accomplished.  He would rather bastardize and worship the law more than follow Jesus. Regardless of  how much Thiel may write or say the name Jesus or Christ, the man does not know him at all!  That is a FACT!

Thiel continues with this broad lying accusation:

I wish those who support the anti-COG websites would realize that those truly in the Church of God are not treating them improperly.  Yet, they hate us.
NO ONE on ANY of the anti-COG sites hates the members in the various groups.  What we do HATE are the lairs and graceless pissants that make the lives of their members a living hell.  These men, like YOU Bob Thiel, preach hearsay, promote false doctrines, and have self appointed themselves are church "leaders."  No matter now much you wave your thick Bible in front of your crooked bookcases or flowery curtains, it does not make you a man of God.  Your message is one of enslavement and not of grace.  Any message without Jesus is worthless and thusly your message is worthless and dangerous to honest seekers.

Almost Arrested Elijah Thiel then writes:

The Bible warns against being an accuser of the brethren (Revelation 12:10), and bearers of false witness (Exodus 20:16).

You are NOT "brethren" to any that are followers of Jesus.  You are exactly what Jesus warned his followers  about:

Matthew 7:15-20The Message (MSG)
15-20 “Be wary of false preachers who smile a lot, dripping with practiced sincerity. Chances are they are out to rip you off some way or other. Don’t be impressed with charisma; look for character. Who preachers are is the main thing, not what they say. A genuine leader will never exploit your emotions or your pocketbook. These diseased trees with their bad apples are going to be chopped down and burned. 
Even more damning are these words of Jesus:
Matthew 24:4-8The Message (MSG)
4-8 Jesus said, “Watch out for doomsday deceivers. Many leaders are going to show up with forged identities, claiming, ‘I am Christ, the Messiah.’ They will deceive a lot of people. When reports come in of wars and rumored wars, keep your head and don’t panic. This is routine history; this is no sign of the end. Nation will fight nation and ruler fight ruler, over and over. Famines and earthquakes will occur in various places. This is nothing compared to what is coming. 
Preaching endless drivel about end time prophecy, Petra , Mayans, Catholic myths and other outright lies makes you one of the "doomsday deceivers."

Then Thiel makes another false accusation:

Sadly, because many involved with the anti-COG websites do not have a real love of the truth, they do not seem to care about their false assertions and conclusions.
Actually we do have a love for the truth, but NOT for the lies of Armstrongism and its many different bastardizations.  Truth cannot be found in the improperly named "continuing" Church of God.

Elisha Elijah Thiel ends with this:

The anti-COG websites often cause offense to ones getting interested in the truth.  Jesus said:
6 Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes! (Matthew 18:6-7)
Gavin Rumney and several others at the anti-COG websites remain in my prayers.
Hallelujah that those that might be interested in a COG splinter cult might actually be turned away by our blogs and web sites!  If so, then we have actually served a purpose!  One life saved is one less life immersed in the quagmire of pharisaical legalistic bullshit that make up the current harlots daughters of the mother church.

Please see the following sites that expose the lies of Bob Thiel and the other false ministers of the Church of God:

As Bereans Did

Ambassador Watch
Ambassador Files
The Painful Truth
Exit and Support
False Prophet Ron Weinland
The Plain Truth About Malachi's Message and That Prophet 
Roderick C Meredith Crimes
Washed in Grace
Living Armstrongism


The Painful Truth said...

Well we can see Thiel is an opportunist who takes his knife out and stabs Gavin and the rest of us in the back. Thiel is pure evil, full of hate and envy and we know this by his comments. Instead of withing Gavin well like a TRUE Christian would, he kicks the man when he's down.

I shall make a special effort to write about this asshole in this next year. And by the bobby, FUCK YOU you PIECE of SHIT!

Anonymous said...

“Thiel however does not care. It is easier to deceive 1,997 Africans than it is to be honest, forthright and accountable.”

All those Africans from Nigeria can probably deceive Bob right back.

ashley froud said...

Bob does not understand how much damage the "God's Government" falsehood has done to the brethren. It seems lost on him. He, and the others are NOT the church of brotherly love, that they would like to think they are. ....Such a shame!

Anonymous said...

In that picture of the six rotting apples, is Bob Thiel the one on the far right?

DennisCDiehl said...

My greatest thanks Gavin for your instrumental part in helping me find the reasons, courage and strength to exit both ministry and church. You made my dark days easier. My arm is around you of love n support in your time of need and priorities. We love you..

DennisCDiehl said...

And nice rebuttal to Thiel, Gary. Thiel is one more self righteous and ignorant pox on Christianity.

Anonymous said...

My guess is that a lot of people do not really feel any great hatred toward Bob Thiel. They might even feel sorry for him and his deluded, and deluding, self. A lot of people just simply do not listen to him, do not believe him, do not trust him, and do not send him any money. This is exactly as it should be. Nobody should listen to him, believe him, trust him, or send him any money.

Typically, it is those who DO listen to, believe, trust, and financially support false prophets who can end up really hating them, and understandably so. The false prophets (like GRF, DCP, REW, RJT, etc.) should not be out there shooting off their mouths full of lies and nonsense and expecting to get paid for it. Ordinary people have their own lives to live. Why should they complicate their lives by listening to the noise of demoniacs?

Hoss said...

The Missing Dimension was one of the first COG-critique blogs that I regularly read and posted to, along with The Painful Truth and a few others that folded years ago. These sites have always been a useful source of information and opportunities share with others.
And I really disagree in principle that such sites are called “anti-COG” and “haters of true Christians”. Sometimes when I feel a remark I made may have been below the belt, I’m reminded of the Biblical admonition to correct a brother when he is wrong. To call that “anti-COG” could imply that one who posts articles, sermons, and writes books critical of governments, government leaders, policies, laws, etc, is “anti-government”, “anti-Obama”, “anti-Democracy”, etc.
We, as contributors, know the problems and frustration when one exposes and expresses the “Truth” and have it not acted on. If the problems in the COGs were corrected, our job would be done. But it isn’t going to happen.

Anonymous said...

Thiel must have a very, very, very, very, very small penis.

Anonymous said...

Bravo! Thiel made a complete ass of himself. Calling him a "pissant" is quit appropriate!

Black Ops Mikey said...

I'm extremely grateful to Gavin for setting me on the path to be able to refute and prove Armstrongism wrong through DNA proof.

Booby Thiel is such a hypocrite! Years back, I had a blog that tried to keep up with Booby's relentless daily posting, and I had a running commentary exposing how wrong he was point by point in each one of his posts.

I finally ended the run, when I took him to task for disrespecting the Church of God Seventh Day -- without cause: He was treating them as non-Christians, just the same as he calls us non-Christians -- and he's falsely accusing a lot of people. He took the opportunity in post after post, often referring to the CoG7D as Sardis. I pointed out to him that he was wrong. It's too bad he never allowed outside people to respond on his blog, but I suppose he didn't want to go through the effort of purging and erasing entries that brought legitimate beefs to expose his utter wrong-headed hypocrisy.

Finally, he tried to post (he didn't make it through the filters), but I did see that he was upset with my postings taking him to task about the CoG7D. He didn't actually repent, mind you, but I figured that I had made my mark and at least got his attention.

Unfortunately, he has not changed one whit and he's gotten even worse. If there is a God who watches out for His people as the New Testament says, God is going to be really ticked with Booby because he slanders and libels Christians all over the place, making the unwarranted assumption that anyone who disagrees with his totally disproven kook point of view is not either Christian or godly.

He has not addressed the proof that his ideas based on British Israelism make him a kook, and worse, a false prophet. And, oh, by the way, if you look at the article at the Painful Truth on Donald Trump, you can see in glorious color his book declaring that Hillary Clinton may be the antichrist. So when is he going to admit that he was wrong when Hillary Clinton was the loser in the Presidential race and is going to disappear into obscurity. I suppose he'll wait until December 19th? Do you suppose he will admit that he was completely wrong then?

Don't hold your breath.

The man is a pathetic loser on all sorts of levels.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what kind of medical situation Gavin is facing?

Connie Schmidt said...

So why doesn't the doubly blessed Thiel , do an amazingly gracious thing, and HEAL Gavin Rumney of his affliction as a true witness to us all of his divinity.

How would that be for a testimonial and witness???

Byker Bob said...

This is nothing new. It's vintage Bob Thiel. The first time I ever heard of him or His little brown-nosing COGwriter site, it was because he was bashing Dr. Ernest Martin on the occasion of his death. When any luminary passes, there are always lesser and untalented ones who come out of the woodwork to seize upon and exploit an opportunity to exalt themselves. In the case of Bob Thiel, it makes no difference that he would do this, because he and his little sand pile are nothing, totally irrelevant, impertinent, and of zero redeeming social value.

In attacking Gavin, he has incurred a karmic debt, and in a sense, he has attacked us all. Bob is to be pitied, a pathetic and repugnant figure who will be frustrated for the rest of his life by the nonfulfillment of his ego and his daydreams.


NO2HWA said...

BB wrote:

"Bob is to be pitied, a pathetic and repugnant figure who will be frustrated for the rest of his life by the nonfulfillment of his ego and his daydreams."

Ministers for decades watched Thiel and saw that the was unfit to be a minister. Even his hero and Spiritual Big Daddy Rod Meredith saw though the repugnant nature of Thiel and refused to ordain him. Thiel then threw the ultimate temper tantrum and declared himself anointed by something he calls "god." His life has been one of frustration and nonfulfillment due to the church. Even his homeopathic nonsense never fulfilled him. His ego and nightmares have gotten the best of him. Sadly more lives are at stake due to the heretical bullshit he teaches. He truly is to be pitied.

Hoss said...

Remember the WCG claim that went something like, Tell us where we're wrong, and we'll correct it"? Or HWA's position that the "True Church" (at the time meaning CG7) correct doctrines that were shown to be wrong?

Has Bob Thiel, or David Pack, Gerald Flurry, or any of the splinter leaders ever issued such a challenge?

Anonymous said...

Byker Bob said...“This is nothing new. It's vintage Bob Thiel. The first time I ever heard of him or His little brown-nosing COGwriter site, it was because he was bashing Dr. Ernest Martin on the occasion of his death.”

The Painful Truth said...“Well we can see Thiel is an opportunist who takes his knife out and stabs Gavin and the rest of us in the back. Thiel is pure evil, full of hate and envy and we know this by his comments. Instead of withing Gavin well like a TRUE Christian would, he kicks the man when he's down.”

It has been written: “If you do not kick a man when he is down, then when are you going to kick him?”

Byker Bob said...

Gavin hasn't specified the nature of the health issue, 5:37, and that usually is a defacto request for a little privacy. Those of us who pray should be vigilant on his behalf, and positive thoughts or vibes from non-believers are totally appropriate as well. Gavin has been one of our very positive shining stars for a long time now.


Anonymous said...

All of you are witnessing first hand we we in the Living Church of God had to deal with when Thiel was in our midst. He was an arrogant know-it-all who thought he was better than the rest of us. He thought he understood the Bible more than anyone else in the church did. He was intensely disliked by many. People never expressed that outwardly because everyone thought he was Rod Meredith's pet. Then when it became abundantly clear that he was not, people started speaking out against him. Thiel did what the always does, retreat and run while blaming everyone else for his troubles. Everyone else was wrong while he was right. He is always right and never forget that! Ha! He is the laughing stock of the church now because of his claim he was doubly blessed.

I have to credit Gavin Rumney's blog, this one and all the others out there that have been exposing the lies of the church and its leaders. I started reading his Missing Dimension and later the Ambassador Watch almost from the beginning. Though much to my discredit I did not take it all as truth until some time later. It has been a burden lifted off our family's shoulders by leaving. Friendships have been lost, but more valuable ones made. Friendships which are actually true and not superficial where people turn on each other at the moment you dare ask a question.

My hat is off to Gavin. May God give him peace and comfort for a job well done!

Anonymous said...

Keep it up "Banned".Let Thiel have it with both barrels!Arrogant son of a bitch he is.Doubly blessed he is NOT.Deluded ,doubly so.This site exposes him for what he is.

May Gods peace be with you Gavin,and Gavin thank you for the service you have given to your fellow man in exposing the "dark" deeds of
these so called men of God.Best wishes to you.

Anonymous said...

The Painful Truth 2:59.. Did you really have to end what you said with the foul mouth trash talk like you did, there are more coming onto this site than just you and yours to find out what's new, we really don't need to read trash like that regardless how you feel about anybody.

Byker Bob said...

People sometimes feel very passionately during events such as these, and sometime colorful language just comes out. James did not use blasphemous language, just a few currently "R" rated words perhaps of old English origin. I can't think of anyone who would be a more deserving recipient of this kind of language than Bob Thiel, who virtually baited us with his uncalled for taunts.


The Painful Truth said...

Anon November 30, 2016 at 1:18 AM,

Grow up.

Black Ops Mikey said...

You know, you'd think that Dixon Cartwright (see, I can spell his name wright... I mean, right) would be grateful and say nice things about Gavin: After all, Gavin did say nice things about him and defend him when he attacked people. We've seen nothing from Dixon.

Maybe he'll do a nice tribute in The Journal.

Or not.

Anonymous said...

Ashley, good point. Compartmentalisation was used when 'administering Gods government.' The tyranny was applied to some, but not to others. Some members rights, such as elders and their families were respected, other members rights were ignored. Which is why some legitimately can't understand the complaints about church government. They are not the ones who have been bashed and sometimes scarred for life by these 'ministers.'

Based on personal experience, there were anti God members coming to church services in Herbies day. So it stands to reason that some of these people would be at the various 'dissident sites' as well. These people are everywhere, even in Bobs and other slivers.

Anonymous said...

I posted a lengthy tribute to Gavin on his blog yesterday but, unfortunately, it got lost in cyberspace. I am deeply saddened by news of his health challenge. It is my fervent hope that he will find the courage and comfort to deal with this illness.
Gavin has so much more to offer.
I will miss "Ambassador Watch" greatly. I have been following Gavin since his "Missing Dimension" days. I have always been impressed with his ability (like Gary's) to ferret out news on Armstrongism and to provide us with rigorous, even-handed analysis of developments and ideas relevant to the movement. Though I am still an Armstrongite, and doubly cursed to be a Minister, I have appreciated his principled and generally dispassionate critique of the movement. I have found it reasoned and rational; devoid of the venom and vulgarity as well as the animus and anger which often passes for critique of Armstrongism and Armstrongites. His work has been largely heuristic. I have found him to be theologically sophisticated, philosophically astute and incurably curious.

Mark you, I have been at the receiving end of Gavin's well-honed wit and cynicism; with his occasional depiction of me as a self-promoter.(In professional life I am both a journalist and, indeed, a PR man!)His last jab at me was his review of the Journal. It was a classic! Go back to it. It had me cracking up for days and calling my wife's attention to his devastating blow.LOL Then there was the headline some years ago, "Just What Do you Mean, Boyne Again?" a twist on that familiar HWA booklet.
But that was Gavin: He never took himself too seriously-- or permitted others to take themselves too seriously either.
Gavin's fairness has been his trademark, in my view. Perhaps most in my movement would disagree vehemently, but no impartial, unemotional examination of his work would yield any other conclusion. His ability to nuance issues is rare among anti-Armstrongites. His assessment of the life of Ron Dart was a shining example of this man's spirit and his ability to steps into another person's shoes philosophically.
Even his last post shows this broad-mindedness by his acknowledgment that there are many good people in the COGs who are, like the rest of us, he reminds sagely ,are just trying to figure things out. Gavin has epistemic humility, borne of his wide reading and intellectual exposure. I commend it to other critics of Armstrongism, though some will find the task too demanding.
My hope is that there will be no farewell to the alms that Gavin has so richly fed us. Ian Boyne

Retired Prof said...

About Gavin Rumney's "farewell to arms" Ian Boyne hopes there will be no "farewell to alms," the alms being the wisdom Gavin has "so richly fed us" over the years.

Ah. Very moving tribute, Ian. Thank you and amen.

Anonymous said...

Ian, excellent post.

Anonymous said...

When we came to the church in the Herbie era, we were led to believe that we would never grow old since Christ is returning 'in the next 5 to 7 years.' And here we are, old with all sorts of medical conditions. At least Rods is suffering as well, a consolation.

Hoss said...

never grow old

And HWA would tell us he's "29 going on 28" and boasted he would live into the next century (which conflicts with his end-of-world scenarios, but "we don't set dates").

Well, it's still 5 to 7 years... Except for Bob, who looks at dates other COGleaders set and tells you why they are wrong...

The Painful Truth said...

Ian Boyne,

Nice of you to find such decency and love towards your fellow human beings. Your a step above those other armstrongites who lack decency if every aspect of their lives. If only you could bury armstrongism.......

Best to you and thank you for your expressed kindness toward others.

Minimalist said...

In the top-right corner of A.W. is picture of that phony "Dr" Thiel
What kind of an Assclown would parade around with a phony ThD?
He gets top billing for all to click on and read about his phony ThD
Who would fall for that? A bigger phony than "Historian" "Dr" Hooey?

Retired Prof said...

Yes, the ravages of old age have caught up with us, forty years and more after our worldly ills were all supposed to be over.

There's good news about old age, though. I complained about it to my doctor. He said, "Don't worry, it won't last."

Redfox712 said...

It is just awful that he chose to petulantly respond to this development. He did not even bother to wish him well with his health issue. What a dreadful way to respond to this. What a disgrace he is.

Byker Bob said...

It is a disgrace, Redfox, but Armstrongism is an automatic "us against them" setup which causes lack of consideration for, and "excused" mistreatment of any fellow human beings who are outside of the movement (99.9% of humanity). That, in certain circles, would be considered to be both paranoid, and sociopathic, and ends up being extremely depressing as well.

I've often said that I learned and developed my sense of ethics towards fellow man only after leaving the WCG. That may be a sad indictment to need to level at an organization which brands itself as being the only true followers of Jesus Christ, but it is a 100% truthful statement.

How many of the so-called leaders of Armstrongism, were it not for the Constitition, Bill of Rights, and secular law, would find kinship with Tomas de Torquemada? Impotent little men find guts and strength in their destructive attacks on opponents and critics who are accomplishing more good than themselves. In addition to being a disgrace, it's also a shame.


Anonymous said...

BB it's not only that WCG didn't teach ethics, they taught 'anti concepts' such as give, help, serve. These are like land or sea mines that destroy legitimate concepts. They attack action-reaction, cause and effect. This is attacking ethics at a foundational level.
The church did mention cause and effect, but it was only lip service, and highly compartmentalised at that. It was only guile.

Anonymous said...

I thank members of this group, including Retired Prof., for the kind appreciation they have expressed for my comments about Gavin. But I must say that James' response totally bowled me over and is more welcome than I could ever say. I assure James that he has convinced me beyond any shadow of a doubt about the virtue of having a generosity of spirit and taking an irenic approach.

I think this exchange between a current Armstrongite minister and James particularly, whose revulsion toward Armstrongism can be so graphic at times, should be reproduced for all Armstrongites to see. They might learn something after all. Thanks, James. Appreciated beyond words. Ian Boyne

Anonymous said...

Yes, Bob is 'Doubly Deluded'.

Poor deranged sap.

Hoss said...

Getting back to Bob's accusations... what was the "promise" that Gavin was said to have made to Bob, who accused him of "breaking his promise"?

Lake of Fire Church of God said...

I refuse to resort to name calling, but between you Gary, myself and cyberspace, "Almost arrested" bitter Bob Thiel is an idiot! And with his mail order degrees all puffed up with all the leaven of intellectual vanity which a mail order degree can buy, I can't even say that Thiel's "an educated idiot". He's not, he's just a regular idiot.


I thank you so much for this labor of love you have been devoting yourself to for many years now. The time is now for you to devote to yourself for your health and life priorities.

There was a time in my life when I would wake up in my Maryland home, get a cup of coffee, and hit your blog first thing in the early morning for the latest developments in the Armstrong Church of God movement. For you see, you fulfilled a need in my life trying to figure out "what happened" to me in this religion I grew up in. I left in 1976 to the estrangement of friends and family left in the Worldwide Church of God. I never returned, and built a whole new life outside the Church known to me as "God's Church". There was a knowledge gap of decades in my mind about the events that happened in Church after I left in 1976. Ambassador Watch filled in those knowledge gaps and gave me "the rest of the story" as Paul Harvey would say. You would post about topics I remembered growing up and about people who I remembered.

My hats off to you Gavin! I join many others to express my sincere appreciation for your work. I wish you well, and your health situation sounds very serious. Approach it as if it were the fight of your life. Never give up! Never! Keep fighting! Never give up!

Lake of Fire Church of God

Anonymous said...

Very well put Ian Boyne. You give hope to wary brethren who have been ruled over for far too long by too many hypocritical liars. Men who are unchasitizable who love the power but despise the truth. Who wear masks and play act the truth.

Anonymous said...

BB roughly estimates that 99.9% of humanity are outside of the [loosely defined, Armstrongist] movement. I do realize BB was being more colloquial than specific.

I could (very) generously estimate the number currently "in the movement" at 200,000.
The world population is approximately 7.4 billion.

So, using those numbers, the math says that it's 99.9973% of humanity that are not in the Armstrongist movement.
In other words, only 0.0027% are involved. That's about 27 people out of every 1 million people, assuming the extremely generous estimate of 200,000 "in the movement"

I know that some religious folks don't believe in "sciency" things like arithmetic, so I'll understand if followers of Armstrongist cult leaders like Thiel believe their particular cult leader when he says things like, "I am doing a yuge unbelievable greatest Work- and believe me- nobody has a better end times Work, my Work is better than all the others, I’m really smart – I went to school and I was so smart that I made you believe that I went an even better school, plus I got the DOUBLE DOSE of Holy Spirit, so I'm the unequivocally and astonishingly the most excellent and best!"

Mr. Thiel, I DO believe that your superlative-laced rants about yourself and your "work" are indeed, UNBELIEVABLE.
Same goes for HWA and other cult leaders spawned by HWA's "work"

It's sad that those cult leaders have sunk so low into their desperation, causing them to be so severely lacking in love toward their fellow humans in this journey called life. Just because Biblical support can be readily found doesn't make it right.

I join in the other voices of gratitude for Gavin's good work and help- spanning these many years- and wish him the very best.

Hoss said...

superlative-laced rants about yourself

Bob's forgetting "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled..."

Leaders did not use argument to "prove" they were what they claimed, the showed it by what they did. I can't honestly say that anecdotal evidence of "dreams" and speculative "alignments" are sufficient "proofs" of being an end-time prophet.

I remember when HWA at length described how GTA had the greatest ability to tell "the Plain Truth about today's world news in light of Bible prophecy..." I think that is a stronger claim than RCM's "God may consider you a prophet".

James said...

Minimalist asked...
In the top-right corner of A.W. is picture of that phony "Dr" Thiel
What kind of an Assclown would parade around with a phony ThD?

Why little Bobby Thiel of course!

Anonymous said...

Bob Thiel has proven once and for all what a complete ass he is. Now all of you know why we disliked him so much in LCG! No one could understand Mr. Meredith's fascination with him. Thiel used Meredith to further his own own agenda which was to start his own church. Thiel should never be trusted. He is totally dishonest, manipulative and lacking in God's Spirit.

Byker Bob said...

The symptoms and by-products of irritable bowel syndrome are of considerably higher value than Pseudodoc Thiel's ministry.