Various Church of God leaders have loved to claim that they are being persecuted. That persecution can come within from rebellious members, bitter, angry, grumpy Laodicean ex-members, and the government. Whining about things seems to be the character of these men. Instead of following an all powerful God who stands behind their work, they whine and moan incessantly about their intense persecution. Never has the church seen a more persecuted man that Bwana Bob Thiel
God's greatest gift to the church and God's doubly blessed and most important mouthpiece is back whining once again. Poor little thing!
Today is observed in the USA to mark its official Declaration of Independence 243 years ago.
When our older sons lived with us, for a couple of years, I read through parts of what was in the Declaration of Independence and explained how 21st century America treated its citizens worse than some of what was complained about in the Declaration of Independence.
Since then, although the economy of the USA has held up, many things have worsened.
The USA now has less freedom of speech and less freedom of religion. But instead of the government doing most the direct censoring, much of the news media and the big tech internet companies do that. And much more than would have been imagined in 1776.
The fact that the government cannot seem to define a male vs. female is also a development that would not have been imagined in 1776.
That being said, the CCOG has still been able to function with its USA office, despite us taking steps related to censorship (like not making live certain videos on Vimeo–but that we do still make live on the YouTube and Brighteon platforms). But the time will come when the ‘famine of the word’ (Amos 8:11-12) will hit.
Even in what has been called “the land of the free.”There is only one reason these fools claim to be persecuted. By playing the martyr in the eyes of their followers they can demand more money and the dumb sheep will give it.
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Here is another "DAVE PACK VIDEO" has some older clips to contrast the newer ones at the end. More to follow. Please continue to expose this fraud. Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9WS8gKprRM
Poor Bob presents an interesting contrast - while continually posting about how the USA (and "Anglo-allies") are about to face cataclysmic natural disasters, financial ruin, invasion and deportation, his "persecution" is the content restriction placed on material uploaded to YouTube and such sites.
If even partly true, the problems his African congregations claim seem to be greater affliction than not being allowed to post a sermon decrying the LGBTQ "agenda".
Interestingly, if there is any such thing as an LGBTQ agenda, it would seem to be that of educating the general non-LGBTQ public. Years ago, Rod Meredith and other WCG higher ups based church policy and church prophecy largely on Jess Stearn’s 1962 book, “The Sixth Man”. Stearn’s book indicated that there was a secret agenda to gradually convert straight people until the gay population outnumbered the straights. This theory blended well with the normal fear-mongering associated with the church’s end-times “gospel”, and was embraced and repeated as part and parcel.
Most behavioral scientists today acknowledge that it is not possible to convert straight people to gay, or vice versa. Seductions are possible, but they do not change a person’s orientation. Armstrong theology still considers sexuality to be a matter of chosen preference, and not something with which one is born.
David van der Leyen is the subject in the picture. A Dutch Anabaptist/Mennonite. There is ample proof from Martyr's Mirror that related to the Dutch Anabaptists are multiple streams of Sabbatarians. Among them, Oswalt of Jamnitz, called an Old Waldensian who is Oswald Glaidt from the Andreas Fischer stream of Sabbatarians. Check out even Anna of Frieborg mentioned in the matyrology talking about sabbath keeping. These were the most persecuted of the church of god, believe that or not.
@ 5:34 PM, men who are secure in their heterosexuality may well find homosexual conduct vile and repugnant, much as they would find repugnant the idea of a church member burning a child in the fire as an offering to Moloch. However, precisely because they find it vile and repugnant, they don't spend a great deal of time thinking about it. They will preach against each as they find necessary, but not dwell on those vile topics any more than seems necessary.
It is not a 100 percent reliable indicator, but many studies have found that preachers often focus the most on the topics with which they personally struggle, and that secure heterosexuals simply don't spend all that much time worrying that they might someday be tempted to engage in homosexual acs.
Any LCG member who had to listen, several times each year, to Rod Meredith's story about wrestling with his boyhood friend Jimmy, "like two bear cubs rolling in the grass," could not help but notice the homoerotic undertones in the story. It was Rod's grief over Jimmy's death that propelled young Rod into his uncle's C. Paul Meredith's new religion. Rod preached that if men weren't careful they might succumb to the temptation to commit homosexual acts. For the vast majority of men this simply is not true, but for men with same-sex attractions trying to obey a heterosexual moral code, it will often be true.
Even in the workplace, Rod surrounded himself with pedophiles, closeted homosexuals, and effeminate men as some of hs closest associates. I do not believe that there is evidence that Rod was ever an active (or even self-acknowledged) homosexual, but there is plenty to suggest that he thought of himself as a heterosexual male working hard to resist the temptation of homosexual activity. Not exactly a healthy model for LGBT LCG members.
"Interestingly, if there is any such thing as an LGBTQ agenda, it would seem to be that of educating the general non-LGBTQ public."
umm, not "educating", but "indoctrinating"...they will not rest until everyone accepts their perversion as normal.
normal human beings are not afraid of homosexuals, but they do find their behaviour to be disgusting and perverted....their attempts to redefine love are highly insulting, they are fooling no one but themselves.
they are not condemned, however......they will come up in the 2nd resurrection with a clean slate and have the opportunity for salvation.
11.06 PM
A clean slate? My bible does mention people being whipped with many or few lashes, so I question your claim. But there's a more serious consideration. When people are resurrected, all the old habits will still be there. They will need to overcome these habits to qualify for salvation. As church attendance shows, the morally challenged have the greatest difficulty and the highest failure rate qualifying for salvation.
What people do in this life profoundly affects their chances of qualifying for the kingdom. Which is why I keep telling our readers to make sure that their kids/grand kids do their homework, since habits built or not built, effects their salvation.
9:46pm Could you please show us scriptures about "qualifying" for the Kingdom? Work out your own salvation has nothing to do with qualifying so please don't use that one.
9:46pm, also just what are "your readers" reading?
11:06 AM wrote:
As church attendance shows, the morally challenged have the greatest difficulty and the highest failure rate qualifying for salvation.
What do you mean by this? In my experience, church attendance shows that the morally challenged are the most likely to maintain "perfect" or "near perfect" attendance, while the members with real morals are more likely to stay home (e.g. to tend to a sick child, or to get scripturally mandated rest after a punishingly tiring week). For that matter, at least in my congregation, more people become stay-at-homes because they despair over immorality in the ministry than because they want to break the Ten Commandments.
9:46pm wrote: "As church attendance shows, the morally challenged have the greatest difficulty and the highest failure rate qualifying for salvation."
Wow, that's news to me that anyone has yet failed at receiving salvation. Here I thought that was a future event determined by Christ and not by 9:46pm.
Obviously the only true indicator of good church attendance is ones level of self righteousness as demonstrated by 9:46pm!
Truly amazing!!!!
5.24 PM
When I attended services in the 1980s, it was the morally challenged who had typically thrown in the towel. They had stopped trying to overcome, and only came to services to take advantage of others. So yes, they had the highest attendance rate.
Back then, there were fewer members with the maturity to be stay at home Christians. Times have changed.
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