From an RCG source:
“It’s just like a Picnic...”
“So, this series in many ways is like "holding a picnic," In the Worldwide Church of God, we understood maybe 10% of what God was going to do. We had a lot of basics, right. Maybe you could say we understood 20%, but I would say it's closer to 10%, or 15%. Maybe now we're up to 90%, but I've found that it's the last, call it 10 or 15%, maybe you say 25%, that's more difficult. But people have WAY more than they ever had, when they were perfectly content. Only back then, nobody thought you should have more so they didn't even complain and say, "we're not having a picnic! why aren't we being told the rest of prophecy?" They thought they were. So everybody was at peace with 10 or 15%, it was great, ignorance was bliss. And they were ignorant, that they even were ignorant. Okay. So you start clearing away the debris and it takes years and as we get closer and closer, curiously, the "fussy kind of theological or prophetic "Martha-Martha" types," fussing over things they quit! They were perfectly content sometimes for 20, 30 or 50 years, to sit knowing practically nothing way, more than the Baptists, you know, or the Lutherans, but practically nothing compared to what we have now. Now this series was never going to answer everything we see through a glass darkly period!”
Comment: The members who leave and call Dave out as being a false prophet are labeled as “a fussy theological and prophetic Martha, Martha type.” How does he view the MANY NT warnings about false prophets, false teachers, false apostles, etc…? Maybe they could start keeping Sabbath on Sunday. I wouldn’t worry about the fussy theological Martha, Martha types to get all bound up over that. I would love to tell HWA to his face, that he only had 10% of prophecy right, that would be hilarious.
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Tithebots rejoice:
The Acog religion is homegrown - as American as Baseball & Apple-pie.
Armstrongism - assembled from debris of fallout from the 1844 Miller Big Bang - is 100% American!
That's rare these days: A business that's not foreign-owned:
- your tithes stay right here in the USA where your $ectmasters live -
(except for the funds surreptitiously spirited offshore, your money stays right here!)
Typical the behavior of a malignant narcissist: Dave (and Dave alone!) has all the knowledge. Others are stupid, ignorant or just plain idiots.
Anyone bold enough to question him, or even leave his ‘true church’ gets called all the names Davey can come up with.
It’s almost like a spoiled toddler.. I wonder if he starts stamping his feet when Vernia doesn’t pay attention to what he says. Or when she tells Davey he can’t have candy now.
There Dave is; stamping his feet, throwing himself on the ground kicking and screaming. And nobody is paying attention anymore. Especially not the remaining members who are soooooo bored with Dave’s endless rants about his godly knowledge and all his failing prophecies.
Slandering those who leave a church is in the playbook of today's churchianity.
Dave could write the book "How to start your own church and fleece your members for dummies."
The ACOGs have a history of lying about their numbers and using accounting tricks, so their assurances that tithes remain in the country of origin is suspect.
Having listened to all his latest , daily sermons, Dave is simply rambling and sounds distressed to me. He imagines details and meaning where the details have no meaning and connects it all to proof texting that proves nothing. He falls into his classic projection when he tries to explain why people left or what is wrong with the beliefs of others other than his own. He's running out of things to say. And yet everything is absolutely on track and the math is correct!
The "simplicity that is in Christ" eludes him and always has. But then that would be found in the NT of which Dave has heard little about evidently or understands in its historical context.
For Dave, I Corinthians 13 would be a good place to restart his misguided self.
He's running out of things to say.
Impossible!
He took how many hours just to say "I am an Apostle"?
He ran out of meaningful things to say decades ago.
This little Dave story brings me back to my apprentice days and the architect and builder wars. As a teenager it was informative to listen to my boss on the phone telling the architect to put his pencil and projector down and get his ass down to the build site so he could see with his real eyes what CAN'T means.
Since Dave has established himself as a flawed architect and inserted himself as the only qualified builder, it is easy to see his incompetence. It all looks good according to Dave's 50 feet away view, but up close with discerning eyes it is a living mess.
When Dave opened his newly built campus, his proclamation to the press was; "the garden of Eden is now open for business". If that was the case, then the whole world would be seeking to "press" into it these last eight years.
We now know which tree Dave has been doing "business" under the whole time. And Dave confirms with every new word out of his mouth that there is no way that he could "surely die". Unfortunately for those before him and the greater world, Dave has long ago put them all into a coffin ready to be pitched into the fire.
I have always wondered what the purpose of understanding all of the obscure prophecies is supposed to mean.
We are to love God, and love man, and keep his commandments. This is something within the purvey of our control. It is certainly something we should do at all times, , regardless of when or where we are at "in prophecy". In effect, whether the second coming is tomorrow or 5000 years from now, what difference does that make? What will be , will be.
Prophecy and the like, is about a lot of stuff that we HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
Is the concept that somehow we are to "shape up" and "get with it" if we imagine that the second coming is very soon? If this is your level of spirituality, being that you only are dedicated because of being goaded , seduced or titilated by prophecy, and some crazy kook like Pack tempting you , and haranging you with the immediacy of said event, then I propose that such a soul do some serious inner reflection.
Psalm 46:10 "Be still, and know that I am God"
" I would love to tell HWA to his face, that he only had 10% of prophecy right, that would be hilarious."
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You are being overly generous :)
“Dave Pack: HWA only had 10 or 15% of propehcy right, I have the complete knowledge”
What David C. Pack means is that he thinks that he still remembers up to 10% or 15% of what Herbert W. Armstrong had taught and David Pack thinks that he has changed only about 85% to 90% of it.
HWA's understanding of prophecy seemed to make some sense, but his date guesses were always a bit too soon. Dave Pack's new prophetic nonsense does not make any sense at all and his date guesses never work out either.
errmmm Tonto,
Jesus told all Christians throughout all ages to Watch... perilous times and all. I suppose some are too busy to see the hill for the trees in life.
Anonymous March 2 at 1:52 PM said...
"Jesus told all Christians throughout all ages to Watch... "
This is the same trick used in rural taverns in the area where I live. They put up a sign over the bar announcing "Free beer tomorrow."
Next day you go in to get your free beer, and the sign is still there. Tomorrow never comes. Neither does the free beer.
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