Sunday, January 22, 2023

Dave Pack: The Great Tribulation starts tomorrow at 10am. Or Tuesday morning. Or Wednesday morning. Whatever




David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God is eroding.


Every biblical structure he builds possesses the longevity and lasting impression of a sandcastle upon the shoreline. Time is his biggest adversary. Winds and tides easily dismantle his most-elaborate constructs.


20,000 hours of labor are washed away overnight as if they never existed. Thus is the life of Pester General David C. Pack, who continually makes his prophetic sandcastles without being savvy enough to realize the sand needs to be wet. Dry sand can only make piles. A five-year-old understands this.


He sometimes stomps on his own creation, kicking sand in his face from the day before as if someone else came up with those wacky ideas.


Skip a Part or two, and all you missed was disinformation, conjecture, and supposition presented as stone when it equals the durability of sand.


After Christmas failed, he moved to New Year’s Eve. After that, it seemed as though the flag atop his tower was about to be set with Tevet 21, but instead, a wave came along and cleared it away to the foundation.


Christmas Eve was a sandcastle.

New Year’s Eve was a sandcastle.

Tevet 21 (January 14) was a sandcastle.


A new set of sandcastles are fashioned for this week that will wash away before the Sabbath.


Monday, January 23 @ 10:04 AM ET


Tuesday, January 24 @ 10:05 AM ET


Wednesday, January 25 @ 10:06 AM ET



Dave is hard to follow during this opaque-rich "The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 416)" given on January 21, 2023. I listen to his messages slowly and then repeatedly at half-speed while transcribing his quotes. This requires reviewing the same paragraphs over and over.


Even doing that did not help much to follow him. Listening to Part 416 is a significant chore, and I hope I never have to do it again. What a burdensome hurdle for the poor folks of RCG. The On-The-Fencers will be glad they skipped this one. My brain feels bruised.


It is a pity Dave did not get a chance to teach his amazing proofs about Elijah rising before February 10, before all this new knowledge came to sucker punch that plan in the nose. Elijah is in there somewhere, but we are left to wonder.


The remaining 30 points of his super-important 60-proof list will also have to remain a perpetual mystery, much to the chagrin of those who tried to number them. It serves you right for trying to follow him so closely.


Despite the confusing fog of Part 416, some key items are gleaned:


•  There is no separate Kingdom to Israel timeframe. It is actually the Kingdom of God.


  There is a 45-day Kingdom of God, a fleeing period, a 10-day Great Tribulation, and then, Abib 1 begins the 10-day Day of the Lord.


•  There is no 80-day countdown to Abib 1. He gets caught lying about that.


•  February 10 is a non-starter and is off the table.



@ 00:03 Well, this will be an exciting message. Very dramatic material…


@ 00:32 Go into this knowing Abib 1 is still our absolute prophetic anchor. It’s inviolable. Now, let’s see how much further we can go in regard to precise timing. Something brokeand I’m gonna pretty much close the message with it.


It is funny to reflect on this early comment considering when he ends the message regarding timing, he is all BUT precise. Sunset Jerusalem time, “possibly Sunday morning” through “possibly Thursday morning” does not scream “precise” to the cynic in me. Perhaps my wicked antichrist mind demands too much of him.


Everyone's brain broke with this message, including those inside RCG. I am aware of the chatter.


@ 09:37 I want to establish that we are waiting for Jesus Christ. Period.


Ha ha ha. A generous 5% of Herbert W. Armstrong’s corpse is chuckling in his grave. Ed Winkfield is wiping the sweat from his brow again now that he does not have to plan on updating all the literature. For the fifth-dozen time. Rest easy, Ed. Strategic procrastination works wonders.



@ 15:23 …what makes it difficult is, Are there three Kingdoms of God after a Kingdom to Israel, or is the first Kingdom of God, because it's built by God and Christ coming to a temple, is that the Kingdom of Israel? That’s the problem.


@ 15:49 And if they [Father and Jesus Christ] do come together to do it, then we get full-on absolute salvation when we go first. Those are the implications.


Dave discovers salvation comes when the Father and Jesus Christ arrive. If Jesus Christ brings the Kingdom of Israel, it is the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom TO Israel is no longer a separate time period. It is The Kingdom of God.


I remember this flip-flopping over the years when I was in the room. As a lay member and by no means a Bible scholar, when I read in the Book of Acts the apostles asking Jesus Christ before He ascended to heaven if He was going to restore the Kingdom to Israel, I perceived it as the Kingdom of God because Jesus Christ was going to establish it. It seemed pretty clear back then.


Sometimes you cannot tell someone they are wrong, even when you can prove it. People must go on the journey themselves to later come back with the same logical endpoint. We have to do that with Dave. Just let him go through his process, and hopefully, he will realize his theory is bunk before too much damage is done.


Parents do this with children. Friends do this with friends. Spouses. Be patient and wait for them to draw the conclusion you pointed out at the beginning of the journey. The critical element is they get it and move on.


So, Dave was wrong. At least he provided a profound, heartfelt apology for stringing the church along.


@ 16:03 And so, I apologize. This has been the most difficult thing I’ve ever wrestled with in my life. And so, the way I could I make myself feel better is I tell myself, “Nobody else ever saw anything but the Millennium.”


Yeah, do not reflect on the error for too long or let it soak in. He needed to wash the filth of failure off quickly before it left a stain. That might be embarrassing.



Dave blames a mistranslation of the word “midst” in Habakkuk 3:2 as an excuse for his manufactured 80-day count from New Year’s Eve to Abib 1 with a 40-day Sabbath in the middle on February 10.


David C. Pack admits he is a deceiver to The Restored Church of God.


While explaining what verses really mean, he exposes the fraud of his original theory.

@ 20:47 There're exactly 81 days minus a few hours because of midnight versus sundown. But there're 81 days between New Year's night and Abib 1. So, you can't really hit the dead middle anyway. It's gonna be 40-41 or 41-40. But, my mistake was looking for a Sabbath…and that just ended or came nicely at 40 days…But the point is, I thought, “That’s interesting.” Kinda 40-40 or 41-40 and a part of a day. And then 40 more. 


His mistake was looking for a Sabbath? No. That was his motivation. He forced the math to make it work. Should this be considered a mistake or intentional lying? 


Part 414 – January 14, 2023

@ 1:27:40 How many days are there between New Year’s Eve and Abib 1? None of you will know. I’ve done the math for you. How many are there?

@ 1:28:07 Here’s the number: exactly 80 days.

@ 1:28:49 I mean, it’s just basic math. It’s inarguable stuff here, brethren. That’s why I drove home Abib 1. And we had to figure out, “What do you mean ‘midst of the years?’” Boy, did we battle that one. Turns out, it really is dead-on. 40 and 40.


David C. Pack misled the brethren and knew he was doing it. My mommy taught me that is called lying.


David C. Pack lied to The Restored Church of God.


I almost called him out on the greasy, slimy math of the 40-80 day business from Part 414. I kick myself now for letting it go. I counted it over and over and could not get to an even 80 days from December 31 to March 22, with a 40-day middle landing on the Sabbath on February 10.


I figured I must have missed some quick detail in the message. As it turns out, I did not miss anything. He was conning everyone.


For the 80-day count to fit while landing on the Sabbath on February 10, you had to start on January 1 (not December 31) at sunset, February 10 at sunset, and end on March 22 at sunset. Dave was not specific about counting from sunset or midnight because he was purposefully in a gray zone.


He counted on everyone giving him a pass when they went home and not fact-checking the math. I tried to do that, but he was intentionally vague on how you count a day, and I fell for it.


What stopped me from bringing it up was that if you count from sunset on January 1, you can land on each day at sunset. But that is NOT what he taught and NOT what he meant.


I erred on the side of giving Dave the benefit of the doubt, which now makes me a jackass. I apologize for letting you folks down. It will not happen again. The man cannot be trusted. Not when he quotes himself. Not when he presents math.


From now on, when something smells fishy, it will be called out.


Part 416 – January 21, 2023

@ 21:30 But, I have to be honest, brethrenthat is simply not what the word “midst” means.


Oh, so now is the time to be honest. He never explained the WHY in the change of the math. The calculator that was broken a week ago must have been fixed because…wow…he was off by a few hours, destroying the entire theory.


The man admitted to all the members of The Restored Church of God that he fooled them. This is the guy they choose to follow?


David C. Pack built a prophetic sandcastle that did not last a week. Ponder that. This not only shows what the man does but who he is.



He set a series of dates for this week and walked away from a February 10 target. How he got there will be covered another time. Dennis, these quotes might work well for the Alumni website.


@ 47:07 It is interesting that the goodman of the house is charged with telling the brethren the hour and the watch…when the thief would come. And so, I’ve told you that. Per Headquarters time, it’s around 10 in the morning. Anytime from tomorrow morning, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and I guess if you’d say Thursday and no flight [from Jerusalem] time to get out of trouble. It’s possible. It’s possible.


@ 48:54 Frankly, what’s interesting, is if it were tomorrow morning, the Kingdom is 7 times 7 is 49 days. And it would be exactly two months. Now, I’m not saying it is tomorrow. I’m not saying that. But do not rule out tomorrow morning.


Too late.


@ 51:01 I’m not saying it’s tomorrow morning. Exercise your mind. That’s what we’re supposed to do. So, I’m helping you. I’m trying to do the math.


If brethren in The Restored Church of God truly exercised their minds, they would resign. If the “ministers” truly exercised their minds, they would resign. David C. Pack is a carnival barker leading them on a rollercoaster that goes in circles that can never stop.


@ 1:02:07 I hope it's tomorrow. I suspect it's not. It's okay if it's Thursday. I suspect it's not. We'll see which day it is. Check your clocks around the world per Jerusalem sunset. I think math has brought us what we've been waiting for a long time. Good night.


If he can lie about the math from New Year’s Eve to March 22, he can lie about anything.


This picture will change, and a new sandcastle will necessarily be constructed to keep the cycle going. Do not buy into the illusion.


The new dates will be washed away BEFORE the next Sabbath. Consider that.


Part 416 was bewildering, but there are more worthwhile elements to examine next time.

Marc Cebrian

See: Sandcastles


Anonymous said...

Well, folks, if you're nervous and out catchin' a smoke, and happen to miss this tribulation. don't worry. Another one will be coming along a couple days later!

The spoken warnings which have come from other ACOGs seem to have a certain unity about them, and agree that "If you're not attending our group as a member in good standing, you won't know when to flee because God is only working through us and every other group is Laodicean."

So along comes David C. Pack and blows it just about every other day, proving that you certainly aren't going to find this out through him. I'm guessing that the feeling is that if you tell people Jesus is coming every day, eventually you'll be right. To paraphrase Waylon Jennings, "I don't think Elijah done it that way!"

DennisCDiehl said...

Soon, very soon... When the last of the RCG holdouts finally give up.

Remember when you ran away
And I got on my knees and begged you not to leave
Because I'd go berserk?

Well, you left me anyhow
And then the days got worse and worse
And now you see I've gone completely out of my mind, and

They're coming to take me away, ha-ha
They're coming to take me away
Ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-ha, to the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats
And they're coming to take me away, ha-ha

You thought it was a joke
And so you laughed, you laughed
When I had said that losing you would make me flip my lid, right?
You know you laughed, I heard you laugh
You laughed, you laughed and laughed
And then you left, but now you know I'm utterly mad, and

They're coming to take me away, ha-ha
They're coming to take me away
Ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-ha, to the happy home
With trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket-weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away, ha-ha

Phinnpoy said...

Dennis, please put the lsst verse of "Coming" up as well.

Tonto said...


I actually owned the record , LOL! The flip side is the same song, but PLAYED BACKWARDS!

I suspect that is Pack's version!

DW said...

Now, maybe some will see why a few here have chosen to refer to this man as evil. This article has proven, beyond a shadow of doubt, what he is/has been doing all along was intentional.

A true believer, maybe. But an evil true believer. The type that says, "if I'm going down, I'm taking all of you with me". Please, please RCG members, please get out now while you still can, before he loses what little grip on reality he has left. Evil and mentally ill is not a good combination to be around.

Anonymous said...

This site is run by hypocritical information control liars. It is a cult unto itself.

Anonymous said...

8:28 wrote “ This site is run by hypocritical information control liars. It is a cult unto itself.”

Aw, did du widdle baby get a boo boo and get his widdle feelin’s hurt? Prove any of us wrong here. Come on widdle cwybaby. Prove us wrong.

Anonymous said...

DP is not the brightest bulb in the flower garden.

Tonto said...

8:28 wrote “ This site is run by hypocritical information control liars. It is a cult unto itself.”

But it is a HELL OF LOT CHEAPER to be in this "cult" than the one you are in. NEVER ONCE have I ever heard the operators
of this site ask for money, demand any kind of loyalty or attendance, and required nothing of its readers!

Anonymous said...

Pack's followers are mentally ill.

Anonymous said...

Proof that Pack's prophecy is not reliable because it is based on deception and impossible predictions.

Anonymous said...

Aw, did du widdle baby get a boo boo and get his widdle feelin’s hurt? Prove any of us wrong here. Come on widdle cwybaby. Prove us wrong.

No, you are the cry baby.

Proved it already many times!

Anonymous said...

9:25 wrote “ Proved it already many times!”

Too funny! Where have you proven it here? All I see is the mindless regurgitation of Herbert’s teachings and.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it interesting that Dave's slide into the spiritual toilet coincides with America's cities becoming third world with their tents, homeless, and littered streets.

Anonymous said...

Better flee to Petra! The Germans are coming

DennisCDiehl said...

One has to prove what Dave Pack says many times. Every other week pretty much as the last proofs fade into oblivion and get replaced with new and different proofs about how the last events which could not be argued now can be, but this next, airtight, the math is absolutely correct, of a completely different false narrative can't be, until next week when it gets replaced with something that "WE never saw, and WE never understood". :)

DennisCDiehl said...

Dave Pack is locked into a vicious cycle of "it won't be long now."

What will it take to break the cycle? An apology for getting so far off base as a self-proclaimed Apostle? A revolt of the weary either the audience or the among the current enablers? An obvious health problem that doesn't allow for vain glorious assumptions of yet even more not by any god given roles? A complete public mental breakdown? A divorce?

The shelf life of Dave's theological obsessions with the Second Coming has expired. It's a topic that always proves to have been a foolish topic around which to build a ministry.

RCG will fall into oblivion as a mere glitch along the road of the one man show in religion. Dave will die. Someone may or may not want to try and keep it going for their own benefit and will fail so that the physical campus will have to be sold. Probably to a mega church type group needing nicer facilities and one that will insure, as it has with HWA, grave spinnage for Mr Pack.

I feel one of these or another rather ominous outcome is what actually "won't be long now".

Anonymous said...

Try to look at the bright side of things. With Dave Pack, at least you have to wait only about one week to see that he is wrong, yet again.

Ron Weinland was pretty good too, setting fairly near term dates that failed, of course.

Some false prophets will string you along with 3 to 5 year date guesses, or even 10 to 15 year waits to find out that they are wrong and just made it all up.

Anonymous said...

“@ 1:28:49 I mean, it’s just basic math. It’s inarguable stuff here, brethren.” -- DCP

This actually means that it is the “new math” and that it should be argued about.

Anonymous said...

I was just thinking about when I was a kid in school My dad tried to help me with my homework. He was an engineer and was disgusted by this so-called "new math". Before that they just called it arithmetic. I don't know if dave ever learned it but it sounds like maybe he did. And that's why he never gets the answer right.

Anonymous said...

"David C. Pack admits he is a deceiver"
Marc, you are becoming too much like NO2. Grossly misusing the word "lying". You will lose your credibility.