Friday, February 17, 2023

Dave Pack: Good News, But Not For Us

 



Good News

 

“The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 419)” can be summarized this way:

 

David C. Pack finishes the Mystery of God by heralding "good news" about the rise of Elijah to rule the First "Kingdom to Israel." Jesus Christ rules the Kingdom of God after.

 

Dave first. Jesus Christ later. Got it?

 

The rest of this good news is additional color, texture, and flavor out of the mouth of the Pastor General of The Restored Church of God.

 

 

Dave reminded everyone how prophetic understanding can easily intrude on Christian living.

 

@ 17:25 “Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come.” Now, are you praying for (we could ask) are you praying (this is important to know) are you praying for the First Kingdom to come? Or you praying for the Second Kingdom to come when Christ told all saints to pray for this?

 

Dave insists on inserting his perversions into “the model prayer” from Matthew 6 and Luke 11. Since he says the Kingdom to Israel is NOT the Kingdom of God, we have to be careful.

 

When this was first brought up years ago, I made a point of not letting Dave get into my head while praying. I actively rejected him.

 

“God, please bring Your Kingdom.” End of story. First, second, third, or tenth was inconsequential on my knees. “Father, let your will be done.” That was the only way I knew to cope. Ignore Dave and not let him into my prayer closet.

 

That continues to be my advice for the members of The Restored Church of God. His speculations do not need to invade your prayers. It will only introduce doubt and confusion, which is the spirit he serves.

 

 

David C. Pack is Elijah-Elect and is more super-fantabulous than you realized.

 

@ 1:00:22 Which Lord made the wise and faithful servant, Elijah, ruler over His household for a couple-dozen years? Well, God did. God selects apostles. He selects every saint. He selected every one of you.

 

Dave reminds the audience God placed him in his current position. If you mess with him, you are messing with God. He has been ruling over the household since RCG was founded, but he will be elevated during the First Kingdom.

 

This statement is past tense. He HAS BEEN Elijah for "a couple-dozen years." Elijah is a prophet, making Dave a prophet. Being wrong once makes you a false prophet. Did Dave just slip up again and admit he is a false prophet?

 

@ 1:00:55 Which Lord had him ruler over His household a couple decades ago? Almost 24 years ago. God. Well, now, the same Lord is described as making him ruler over all that He has.

 

During the First Kingdom to Israel, David C. Pack will be the ruler over all God has. That will make things a tad awkward for yours truly.

 

@ 1:06:53 So, the householder [the Father] can come early on and be here for the parable of the wheat and tares and gives all that He has to Elijah. That is not Christ. Christ has to go and get a kingdom.

 

One thing I always found curious is how Dave is woven in and out of the Bible. He is mentioned in one verse but is suspiciously absent from the next.

 

Matthew 24 and Luke 12 describe Dave until things turn sour. Then, the identity of the servant changes.

 

“But if that evil servant…” is suddenly NOT David C. Pack.

 

The flow from Matthew 24:45-51 and Luke 12:42-48 is seamless. But not according to Dave because that cannot be him. Why? Because he said so.

 

Dave is in Matthew 24:45-47, but not in :48-51. Got it?

 

Dave is in Luke 12:42-44, but not in :45-48. Got it?

 

Keep the good. Throw out the bad. Easy peasy.

 

 

David C. Pack reframes the context of the entire Bible. Nobody has ever read it in the way it was intended. Not Herbert W. Armstrong and not anyone inside The Restored Church of God. Until today.

 

@ 1:29:12 What I'm gonna tell you is true of the Old Testament and New. The Gospels, the Epistles, Revelation, the Prophets, and Psalms. And I never saw this. I wish I had.

 

@ 1:29:30 So what happens is, now follow this, all of those Epistles, Gospels, Prophets, Revelation, all start from a position talking to saints from inside the First Kingdom.

 

@ 1:30:23 The New Testament starts from the presumption that Christ already came, spoke, and everybody in the grave stood up, and you're in the First Kingdom.

 

The First Kingdom is “The Kingdom to Israel” and is NOT the Kingdom of God. That is what Christians are really waiting for. For Elijah to be the ruler over all God has during the First Kingdom.

 

Boy, is that some good news or what? More so for Elijah than anyone else.

 

@ 1:35:39 But it [Revelation] does need to tell you, there was this fella who was making things clear.

 

Yes. Central to God's plan is to have David C. Pack spell all this out. Like we need constant reminders.

 

@ 1:37:05 Boy, I wish I'd have understood the story of all of Paul's writings was from inside the First Kingdom. If I'd have known that and Revelation and that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, but base all the parables of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and particularly particularly were all inside the First Kingdom. Wow. What a difference that would've made. So I'm explaining to you a great mystery nobody else knows.

 

Nobody else knows because it is not true. Dave has taken a razor blade to the Kingdom of God in the Bible to cut out “the Kingdom to Israel” in Acts 1 as being separate. And that Elijah will rule it. The good news keeps rolling.

 

@ 1:37:33 And I defy anybody who knows anything about the Bible to come and tell me otherwise.

 

If anyone in The Restored Church of God attempted this, they would be out the door before their coffee got cold. This is an empty threat with no teeth. Dennis Diehl has been offering to talk things over with Dave for years.

 

Brad, he can be reached at DennisCDiehl@aol.com. Yes, we can all laugh because he still uses AOL. He is up for taking on Dave with this open challenge.

 

Only a pure coward throws out a dare like that, knowing he will never accept it when it comes. That coward is David C. Pack.

 

@ 1:39:06 So, this opens and explains a giant key to Bible prophecy. All these books start from a position that Jesus Christ already came with the Kingdom to Israel.

 

And then Elijah gets to manage it.

 

The All-Believing Zealots should allow the blood back into their faces. Dave once taught that the Book of Hebrews had one audience and one topic: The Restored Church of God and "The Prophecy." All Brethren Back Together Soon. Elul 24. 2013. Nothing happened, and Hebrews was tossed back into the cell with the other New Testament riffraff.

 

I suspect that by Passover, this “the entire Bible is about” shtick will fall into the “we thought” bucket.

 

 

Dave took a detour to explain how significant Dave is in Revelation. Okay, he said Elijah, but we all know who that is by now. He preaches about himself in the third person as if he is somehow disconnected from the concept that he is teaching a ton about himself.

 

This next bit is odd but goofy at the same time.

 

@ 1:32:44 404 verses are in the Book of Revelation. Do you know how many verses in those 404 verses in the Book of Revelation speak at all…of a period (any kind of period) before the First Kingdom or the Second or the Third, or even on beyond that, beyond the Great White Throne judgment?

 

He spends a full minute winding up the world's most extended question. Someone call Guinness.

 

@ 1:33:41 How many verses in that book speak of any kind of period before the First Kingdom? One. Now, how big does this become? “In the days of the voice of the Seventh Messenger.” Revelation 10:7.

 

That 1 of 404 had to be for today. That 1 of 404 had to be about Dave. Good grief, Charlie Brown. He then speculates on insignificant information suggesting significance. This is the goofy part.

 

@ 1:34:03 “In the days of the voice of the Seventh Messenger.” 170 verses in and…some 233 after it…It's almost in the middle of the book.

 

170 verses in. 233 after. By that logic, there are 64 verses qualifying as “almost in the middle of the book.” When you frame it that way, the point seems pointless. It almost sounds like he was making something out of nothing to give more weight to his stale hot air.

 

@ 1:34:19 That's the only time anything is said that's before any of the kingdoms it describes. That should sober you. That makes the importance of that verse where the Mystery of God has ended when he's about to sound loom like the icebergs rearing up in front of the Titanic. It's huge. It is literally a Titanic verse.

 

The words fall from his lips, and he has no idea what he is saying.

 

Yes, Dave, your teaching about this is like the Titanic. It is big and heavy and was boasted as being unsinkable. However, it will sink and kill most of the people who are on board.

 

Fun fact: There were more people on the Titanic than currently attending The Restored Church of God.

 

@ 1:34:43 And I take it tremendously seriously that I had better fulfill that. It's called a charge, where I'm fast and granular and make it plain.

 

Would you like to know what else is fast and granular, Dave? Heroin. Heroin is fast and granular. You word junkie, you.

 

@ 1:34:54 That's the only key that particular book gives of how to know you're at the end. The other 403 verses speak to once it already started from start to finish all the way to the end of the book. "Come, Lord Jesus," that's the Second Kingdom.

 

How many times has Dave warned in video and literature over the years not to base a doctrine on a single verse?

 

How did he prove this 1 of 404 in Revelation is for our present time? Because he said so. Mic drop.

 

Hopefully, nobody in RCG wrote this down in ink. Everyone should be well-trained in pencil by now.

 

 

All Laodiceans are going into the Fire during the Great Tribulation.

 

None of them can escape, in case you were wondering. That is because those dummy jerkfaces refused to listen to Dave year after year. So, they will get hammered in the coming weeks as Dave stares out his Third Floor Tower with peaceful satisfaction.

 

He is speaking to you Splinter folks out there: LCG, UCG, PCG, COGwa, CGI, etcetera.

 

Dave weaved that good news with some of his personal resentments.



@ 1:52:31 And I have written thousands of pages to them [Laodicea]. I don’t know how many messages to them. They’re so hypocritical they take all of our material and use it for years because their organization’s so lazy and covetous…

 

The concept of “freely you have received, freely give” is for suckers. Dave must own the copyright on God's truth. If anyone outside RCG wants to use the material he helped write, that is a sin.

 

David C. Pack did not write ALL the literature by himself.

 

Just because his name appears alone on the covers today does not erase the group of men who were instrumental in crafting the books and booklets over the years.

 

If anyone knows Bruce Ritter, you need to shake that man’s hand the next time you see him and thank him for his incredible contributions to the legacy material of The Restored Church of God.

 

James Turck and Gabe Lischak once had their names on the covers, too. Remind Dave about that and watch his nostrils flare and ears turn red.

 

Rather than being flattered and humbled by God’s True Church spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, and that wonderful knowledge is reaching outside the corporate walls of The Restored Church of God, Dave is pissy about it.

 

With that sour face, Mr. Poopy Pants snatched his toy and stomped home. “Mine!”

 

What a whiny little bitch Dave can sometimes be. Who is the covetous one here?

 

Instead of being proud that RCG material is cherished by those outside the organization, he attacks. By their fruits, you shall know them. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. And Dave’s mouth speaks volumes.

 

@ 1:52:43 …they spend it all on their ministry.

 

Instead of horses, trees, gardens, and unnecessary $500,000 houses like The True Church does.

 

@ 1:52:46 And then we're accused of wanting their money, but they use our literature for free because their own literature's junk. And it's full of junk. It's printed with the quality of junk, and it's fully of junk. And they know better because they're all on our websites and have been for years.

 

@ 1:53:02 They’re not gonna get a pass. You can’t recover in 15 days for what you blew off for 30 years.

 

@ 1:53:21 So, the Seventh Era is destined for arrest, prison, torture, and death. And they're gonna have to endure to the end, and it says it one way after another after another after another, and I didn't necessarily wanna tell you that…

 

Yikes. I can hardly wait for this guy to rule the First Kingdom. The whole world having to listen to Dave sounds like a living nightmare. Check me out early.

 

Why tell those in RCG when it does not apply to them, Dave? Why not warn the people who need to be alerted if time is so short and your message is so urgent? In an interesting twist of circumstances, the exrcg.org website is doing what rcg.org is not.

 

If he were seriously concerned about the well-being of the people in the Splinters, he would rush out a new video or letter posted publically as one-last try at helping them before the door slams shut.

 

But instead, he rants at the lectern to his paid audience. And then applies the money pressure again.

 

 

Common is now tied to the 1335 of Daniel. Common is “selling all” and connects directly to salvation.

 

@ 1:54:02 Now, some among us have not adhered [to the 1335]. It isn't "blessed are they those that come to the 1335," and I explained this the other day. "Blessed are those who adhere," they hold on, and they're doing the right thing. I know there are people among us who have not “sold all.” They haven’t adhered. They didn’t quit. But, they haven’t adhered. It’s not too late.

 

Pay-to-play. The brethren enjoying the blessing of the 1335 still need to give up the extra funds even though RCG will not have time to spend them. Then why give? A show of faith.

 

It is about the money with Dave. Is that an accusation or a statement of fact?

 

Think about those who “gave all” around Pentecost last year, and time rolled on.

 

Think about those who "gave all" at the Feast of Tabernacles last year, and time rolled on.

 

Think about them before you do it now. Because when Passover and Unleavened Bread roll around, those fresh green envelopes will not stuff themselves.

 

Vote with your checkbooks and your feet, brethren of God. Dave cannot hear you otherwise. He only speaks in dollar signs.

 

@ 1:54:54 We find people leave, and they say, "There were a lot of things I didn't agree with." Well, they were lying to us. And they were lying, maybe lying to themselves. They took all the literature like they were members. But, it didn’t belong to them because they weren’t in agreement, and they shoulda left, and eventually, they always do.

 

Maybe stop giving away the literature for free on the website to the general public.

 

What about the people who AGREE with the literature but do NOT AGREE with David C. Pack? The literature DOES NOT MATCH what the sermons teach. It is impossible to keep up. The material is outdated, and they continue to offer it because they need to keep fresh wallets walking in the door.

 

@ 1:55:15 So, now I’m gonna just say to you one last time, there iddn’t much time left. If you’re not squared away, get there.

 

Ha. This is not the last time.

 

For those who continue to hold back your Common, reread this quote on March 23 and email me how thankful you are.

 

Dave is wrong. He will always be wrong. And for all our sakes, that is some good news.

Marc Cebrian

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

The people who follow Pack are following the same demonic force followed by HWA. It is the force of YHVH and no good can come from it. Just getting strung along.

Hoss said...

There was a time when Dave's focus was Precision of Doctrine - RCG's golden age of Dave's rendering of Armstrongism. Now it seems to be doctrine of the day theology.

Anonymous said...


Just when you thought it could not get any worse....

Anonymous said...

This actually raises an interesting issue. I should explain that since I left in 1975, having established for HWA a "one strike and you're out!" opportunity, it actually boggles my mind that all these years later, there are people who allow one of HWA's spiritual sons incredible lattitude. It seems that they look to David C. Pack as their spiritual guide, but for perhaps the most important event in their lives, they allow him to get it wrong copiously and repetitively, hell it has actually risen to a state of perseveration on their parts at this late point in time! And this repeated example of wrongness does not affect their opinion of Dave as their spiritual guide one iota!

Back in the day, I was perfectly happy to live by all of the classic WCG/HWA doctrines. One dichotomy, though. While I believed what HWA had to say about end times prophecy, I sincerely and deeply hoped that his version of prophecy would never come to pass during my lifetime. I didn't have many outside friends, because the doctrines tend to make one into a pariah, if one is open and not secretive about them. But the people who looked past that, and became my friends in spite of it, were very valuable to me. So were my relatives who were not in the church, and even though we had to separate ourselves from the formerly close relationships we had with them, I did not want them to die horrible deaths at the hands of the Germans, or from the plagues. I loved them! I also didn't want to watch friends in the church who were not diligent enough suffer at the hands of the Germans. And, as for anybody who felt any differently from this, my opinion is that they had allowed HWA to kill off an intrinsically good part of their human nature in a way that we normally only see in hard criminals, addicts, or alcoholics!

I knew others in the WCG who felt as I did. I even, believe it or not, felt guilty about feeling that way! I also knew church members who, in situations of clash with the worldly, took an attitude of "Don't worry! The Germans are going to take care of THEM real soon! God will punish them, don't worry!" It was as if they were salivating over the soon coming new holocaust!

It's all but impossible to avoid some clashes, but I ran across something someone wrote years ago that helps to deal with them. You treat everyone you encounter as a child of God. You must sometimes protect yourself as you do this, because you will occasionally encounter criminals, and other aberrant individuals. But, if you know that God is in the process of saving all of his children, always acting in their best interests is a way in which you are helping move things in the right direction. Treating them spitefully, badly, putting them down just infuriates them, and sets them back.

DW said...

He is beginning to smell of desperation. It seems to me that this new theory of his equates to the beginning of the end. How patently foolish is his latest pronouncement from on high? This is some very sick stuff. Dumb and made up though it is, it just reeks of a desperate man, knowing the gig is about up and hoping the numb members will write one more check before they run out.

This is nothing short of spiritual rape. He isn't even a good spiritual counterfeit anymore. He is a straight up demoniac assaulting his flock.

Anonymous said...

Dave Prick, you old tightwad, blowing money on grass and flowers is not nearly good enough. You need to loosen up a bit and spring for a new Rolls Royce and a jet airplane. You ain't nobody yet and never will be either unless and until you get a new Rolls Royce and a jet airplane. Present this most excellent suggestion to the demons in your head for them to think about and see what they say.