Football, New Years, and Being Free From Armstrongism

When I am not stroking the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel's massive over-inflated ego, I am heavily involved with the Tournament of Roses New Year's Celebration, the Rose Parade, and the Rose Bowl.

Today, we hosted over 650 parents of the Ohio and Oregon football teams. It was a giant pep rally of sorts, with the coaches and athletic directors speaking to the parents, thanking them for raising such honorable young men.

I could not help but contrast it to the blithering idiocy of Bob Thiel in his yearly rants over football and New Year's celebrations. I cannot imagine living such a miserable life that he must have by seeing everything around him as satanic, pagan, and heathen. Today's activities make his comments even more imbecilic and out of touch with reality. It is amazing to watch how Armstrongism robs people of rational thought processes.

While he is still stuck in the 1960s version of Armstrongism that he so desperately seeks to create. it is so freeing not to have to adhere to all of that blithering and useless nonsense anymore. As much as Armstrongism sought to suck the beauty and pleasure out of daily life, the world still has beauty and amazing experiences in it that spiritually degenerate men like Thiel, Pack, and Flurry can never take away.

Happy New Year!

The Christmas Experiment: The Tepid Armstrongist Response to the Challenge of Christmas

 

The Artful Dodger (Fair Use)

The Christmas Experiment

The Tepid Armstrongist Response to the Challenge of Christmas

By Scout

 

"Fagin will make something of you, though, or you'll be the first he ever had that turned out unprofitable."  The Artful Dodger, From “Oliver Twist”

 

Armstrongism handles the issue of Christmas paganism poorly.  There have been several posts on this blog recently related to Christmas.  I contributed one of the posts.  And these are the points that concern me:  

Point One: “How do Armstrongists deal with the logical issue of the Genetic Fallacy?”

 In simple terms, why does a pagan history, now renounced, render modern, unimpeachable practice wrong?  Should we then ferret out and abandon everything that is pagan?  My Quaker ancestors renounced the names of the days of the week.  They went to First Day, Second Day and so forth.  So, this issue is not confined to Armstrongists.  But none of the responses to the recent posts from people who seem to be Armstrongist, that I have seen, attempt to answer this question.   If once pagan means always pagan, does that not besmirch God’s Creation forever?

Point Two: “Armstrongists have no consistent methodology for determining what is pagan.”

You would think they follow this kind of methodology: “If it has any historical pagan associations, we will reject it.”   But this would lead them to reject Thanksgiving and wedding rings, for instance.  And they do not.  This inconsistency leads me to believe that they really follow this principle:

Point Three: “If the Armstrongist leadership says it is pagan then it is pagan.  If the Armstrongist leadership says it is not pagan than it is not pagan.  And this is in spite of any empirical evidence or logic.”

I would like Armstrongists to respond to the three points above, at length.  What we have received so far are parroted sound bites from the Armstrongist pulpit.   Does this mean that their pulpit has no answers or does it mean that those people who participate in this conversation have never really understood their denomination’s belief on this?  The data is yet inconclusive because responses have been so off target, it is as if they were written by the Artful Dodger. 

The recent Christmas posts on this blog could be viewed as an experiment.  The line of reasoning probes the phenomenon of why Armstrongists believe what they believe.  And I have a hypothesis.  The Christmas polemic here indicates that the most important source of truth and understanding for Armstrongists is their denominational authority figures.  They lay aside research, science, logic, midrash and exegesis and follow the words of an authority figure.  (This takes exception to James Tabor who, I recall, posited that Biblical rationale was the most important factor in belief among churches that exalted the Old Testament.)  And what they know about Christmas only goes as far as what the authority figures have said. 

I would like to generalize this to all of their beliefs but I think that would be unfounded.  Because my hypothesis here, though simple, lacks good, broad empirical data.  Moreover, getting at the data is a problem because when I was an Armstrongist, and I was one for decades, I thought I had good, tight arguments in my hip pocket for everything.  I was ready to take on a Protestant at a moment’s notice.  But this was because my beliefs inside the Armstrongist community were never challenged only reinforced.  And I always stayed inside the community.  A theologically astute Protestant would have eaten my lunch.  I just didn’t know it. 

 

 

David C. Pack’s Enemies (Part 2)

 

David C. Pack’s Enemies (Part 2)

When delving into the subject of David C. Pack’s perceived enemies, it is surprisingly more expansive than one would think. The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God has referred to his (our) enemies for decades, mainly in the context of former members and the worst of the bunch: former ministers. The closer you were to Dave at Headquarters, the more profound your betrayal, fellas.

Shame on you guys for no longer supporting his conscience-breaking malarkey and enduring years of mental abuse!

In Part 1 of this article, David C. Pack characterized his (our) enemies as wicked, mocking attackers full of hatred with unrelenting murderous intent. You know, just your run-of-the-mill satanic liars, really.

Facing those kinds of conditions for years has caused a permanent tender boo-boo on his tushy.

While further analyzing other comments about the assaults by perceived enemies, David C. Pack has a surprising perspective on his role in causing such persecution.

Hold onto your hats.

David C. Pack is the victim.

Most people do not know that David C. Pack has been a victim for decades.

Part 426 – March 4, 2023
@ 35:17 Is it a coincidence that I I believe I became the Seventh Messenger [of Revelation] on the 13^th day? I believe. I literally believe that. On the 13^th day of Adar, exactly 30 years ago. I was certainly smitten by the fist of wickedness.

The fist of wickedness continues unto this day.

Part 520 – June 22, 2024
@ 1:44:00 But I'll just tell ya, you know when when you when you when you settle on a date, you are settling on an eternal date. You don’t want that pressure on you. I promise you. You have no idea how many of our enemies are sitting out there mocking what I took on that nobody else even saw. You have no idea.

What Dave took on that nobody else even saw has been nine years of prophetic failure, mind-numbing doctrinal repetition, and fleeting understanding of "knowledge" that fades faster than vapor.

Does pointing that out and goofing on him make anyone his enemy? Because he does this of his own accord, does that make him a victim tormented for religious righteousness?

Part 525 – July 20, 2024
@ 1:36:46 Now, again, as I said, it could be argued that you just accept this, and we should. And we have. All except for those who just blew their crown and left and couldn’t leave quietly. Many of ‘em had to attack us. Makes me sad every time I think about that.

When RCG members resign and post their exit letters online, it makes Dave a sad panda. He considers publicly disclosing the reasons for a departure to be an attack.

Read the heartbreaking stories from Adelle Ambrose and Elizabeth O’Leary-Noble and see if you can find any kind of “attack” or vitriolic tone in those exit letters. David C. Pack perverts their bravery by smearing it as wicked intent.

 

David C. Pack is the victim for doing good.

The former "bodybuilder" and "competitive swimmer" who once stood at 6'7" is really the victim, attacked by ungrateful people for just trying to be a kind shepherd. If you find that hard to swallow, let David C. Pack mansplain it to you.

Part 501 – March 30, 2024
@ 24:04 But, I’m so glad that they did search diligently because, again, it has been of of of a comfort greater than I could imagine to me when under ferocious attack because one man alone couldn’t put this all together in eight and a half years.

One man who has been working alone for eight and half years is under ferocious attack for his efforts. Not the biblical fraud and prophetic lunacy he teaches but because of his efforts.

Part 499 – March 21, 2024
@ 1:49:14 I used to say, "Don't make me a villain. I'm not a hero, but don't make me a villain, either." I’m just holding on to the things we all said we’d never leave. Now, you’re attacking me for leaving what, you know, a year ago before Joe Tkach began to change things, the five of you said, "I'll never leave. I'll die for this." And now you’re putting up a Christmas tree and attacking me.

Dave’s perceived enemies attack him because he will not give up Christmas. Good grief, Charlie Brown.

Part 510 – April 27, 2024
@ 50:26 I would I it I would marvel. Father, I’m providing doing everything in my power to provide beautiful literature, the best telecasts, the most beautiful environment, a college… You know, community gardens, camps, Feast sites all over the world. You know, ev–time off. And they wanted to murder us.

Dave’s former employees now possess a murderous attitude for ungratefully attacking him after he provided such beautiful whatever. Victim much, Dave?

David C. Pack did not provide those whited sepulchres. Brethren paying Common did.

He mentions literature that does not contain the most current doctrinal understanding, telecasts that ceased in December 2017, a beautiful environment with horses the Headquarters congregation gets to enjoy, a laughable, empty-husk “college” that has zero value, camps for the dwindling teen population, and shrinking Feast sites.

Framing that list accurately defuses the shimmer of its illustrious glory.

One small note about his “time off” addition to the list of things HE provides: David C. Pack has repeated to the staff during and after my tenure as a Headquarters employee that he would make everyone work for six days if it were not for the labor laws. He would also remove their vacation days, and if they get sick, that is due to their irresponsibility. In reality, the Pastor General “provides” time off because the government compels him. Now, try to frame him as the magnanimous victim of selfless generosity.

Part 526 – July 27, 2024
@ 2:06:02 It’s just I'm gonna give this message and and the enemies will attack me. And they'll say, “You know what he said?” 'cause there are people listening to this, “You know what he said? He he flattered him and told him they were all prophets. What a wicked man.”

His own lips have said it.

@ 2:06:13 You can't even believe the stuff that's said about me.

People SHOULD believe what is said about him. Statements backed up with facts are the backbone of exrcg.org. Quoting David C. Pack verbatim should be enough for any discerning person to judge who and what he is.

@ 2:06:17 It's funny. I've learned to just laugh about it.

Dave does not just laugh about it. When he keeps mentioning it, the tone and context reveal whether it bothers him or if he lets it roll off his back. Former Headquarters ministers have told me stories about David C. Pack and how incensed he gets when anyone presents the most minor disagreement or perceived criticism. He gets ferociously defensive.

Boy, if you contradict him in front of others, you soon regret it. He does not "just laugh about it," and the men who sit with him behind closed doors know it.

I experienced the opposite of Dave's "just laugh about it" attitude when I wrote Church Administration to clarify what he taught about Revelation. Instead of answering the logic puzzle I pointed out that he placed himself in, I received a cordial dressing down by Bradford Schleifer and Jeffrey Ambrose because the “attitude” of my question “could have been worded better.”

I never submitted another query to CAD after that. Folks, David C. Pack does not just laugh it off.

@ 2:03:09 The ancient Elijah was res–despised. He was not accepted. That's what it says. I've been despised at a level you cannot imagine. Don't try. I brought the most wonderful message one could bring, and I've been hated for it. It's almost a proof in itself.

If anyone truly despised David C. Pack, it is not for him bringing “the most wonderful message.” It would be because he is a blaspheming, hypocritical liar and false prophet coercing money from people with his unbiblical Common doctrine.

I know a lot of former RCG members and ministers… I do not know of anyone who “hates” him. Are some angry? Oh, yes. But I have never heard one utterance that made me think anyone “hates” him or wants him dead. Do they want him to shut the heckfire up? Fo shizzle my nizzle.

David C. Pack manufactures the “hate” directed toward him. It is a figment of his distorted imagination due to an overinflated perception of his own significance. It is as if the “attacks” legitimize him as a servant of God despite all those pesky failed dates for the return of Jesus Christ.

The most insulting thing someone can do to a narcissist is simply ignore them. Recall The Greatest Hissy Fit when Dave was incensed after discovering members in RCG stopped listening to him.

David C. Pack's crying victim is a lame attempt to illicit attention and sympathy. By throwing in the "us" pronoun, he hopes the brethren will share in his imaginary defensiveness. If willfully blind followers believe they have enemies, it substantiates the existence of those enemies even when no tangible evidence supports it.

@ 2:02:06 I am despised in my house and my kin and my country. It's actually proof of being a prophet.

Being acknowledged as a jerk is not proof of prophetic significance, Dave. It just means you are a jerk. People, including family members, discerning you are a false prophet, false apostle, and false teacher does not make you a victim. It makes you a disqualified teacher and religious leader of any kind.

David C. Pack sees himself as the humble target of fiery darts because of his good deeds and steadfast righteousness. Or does he attract unwelcome attention because he created it himself?

While searching the transcripts, I found one instance of David C. Pack explaining the “lies” spread about him and RCG. There must be more, but my recordkeeping is incomplete, and I cannot find them.

Part 450 – Part 1 – June 13, 2023
@ 27:33 I, hopefully, brethren, I put I put the the Series in its in its in its proper perspective. What it was and and what it contained, and what it was not. "Which is 450 sermons on prophecy." That’s what our enemies say 'cause that's the best way to depict it. That they’re the they’re the same people who say, “Pack wants your money.” When I don’t get your money. And I gave up two of my inheritances. And I don’t get a raise when people pay Common. The real truth is the liars saying that. They want your money. Stay with them. And depict us as false, just like they depict us as saying, "Oh, he talking about prophecy for seven-and-a-half years." Come on. You know, but I I can understand if some who were sitting here depict it that way, then what are our enemies gonna say? Particularly when they’re likely most likely to hear from those who leave us that that’s the way to see the Series.

Dave fluffs the “Greatest Untold Story” with other non-prophecy teachings but revises it so regularly that no RCG brethren can speak with confidence if they even believe that particular doctrine today. Current members cannot absorb, retain, and understand the rapid-fire malarkey coming out of his mouth, even when it is not prophetic in nature.

If he has already been proven to be a false prophet, whether the 551-Part Series is all about prophecy, mostly prophecy, or only kinda about prophecy makes no difference. Considering the source informs the accuracy of the information. Even David C. Pack does not believe the teachings of David C. Pack the next week, so why should anyone?

Dave is also disingenuous in his statement about where the Common money goes. The coerced funds do not go into his personal account, but he directly benefits from them. The debt relief on the Campus and their home properties ensure that the religious fraud machine will keep providing his salary and maintain the cieled houses in which Dave and his enablers can live.

Once the debt on the Campus is reduced, they can plant more trees and gardens and fulfill Dave's "whatever we'd do" plan, as documented in the “If More Time” YouTube Playlist.

Part 410 – December 17, 2022
@ 11:20 But, for now, if I released it [8-page Revelation document], some of the relatives of our members around the world study the internet to attack the relatives who are in The Restored Church of God. They give them no end of grief, and I would literally be fueling some of the family members because of what enemies post, and the trouble would mount for some of you out there… your relatives cannot throw things up in your face that look crazy to them because they just don’t understand it.

Dave’s consideration for RCG members was expressed by his desire to spare them unnecessary persecution, so he opted not to release his quickly irrelevant and proven-inaccurate document that is not worth the kilobytes it takes up on a computer.

 

Remember…David C. Pack is the victim.

According to Dave, sometimes attacks from his (our) enemies are actually his god’s fault.

Part 272 – October 10, 2020
@ 02:22 The mockers and scoffers who were saying, “Where’s parousia?” would sort of be right. And then, of course, there is the fact that our enemies would’ve heard that we thought Christ was coming this year [2020], and it doesn’t happen, and unnecessary reproach would’ve been brought on the Church. You could say by God showing us this too early or for me saying it too early…

The perceived enemies plaguing Dave lie to and lie about them and have been for a while.

Part 286 – February 20, 2021
@ 1:10:08 And there was one era of God’s Church that had to work in this murderous, wicked environment where people among us would attack us, lie to us, lie about us, steal from us. We’ve had criminals, heretics, every vile person, every kind of axe grinder, heretic, opportunists, rebel you could ever imagine have been in this Work over the last twenty-two years.

Part 499 – March 21, 2024
@ 1:14:57 We’ve had to wait twenty-five years. No wonder. Attacked, lied to, lied about, lied to, attacked. And people just, “Yeah, I’ll leave the church,” like they snapped their fingers.

Part 511 – May 4, 2024
@ 1:21:11 You just can’t let them sail into the Kingdom. Blew off all the truth that we have. And attack us. Lie to us and lie about us.

Dave’s perceived enemies from within RCG are unauthorized to leak his gospel.

Part 419 – February 14, 2023
@ 1:56:52 I know enough. I know we have even outright enemies among us.

Part 395 – October 1, 2022
@ 1:43:57 And if it doesn’t happen [Jesus Christ returns on Atonement 2022], there’s not a chance, none, zero, and I’ve got more evidence, there’s not any chance it’s this year… I’m telling you it’s it’s locked. And there’s libel to be because we have evil people among us, one or two is all you need, this’ll get out, there gonna be some persecution. Might be a little tough.

Part 450 – Part 2 – June 13, 2023
@ 1:23:18 But, Christ is coming as a thief. I don’t know how many people outside, our enemies, are getting these tapes and so forth. But, if Christ comes as a thief, in a way, we can't know. Or or certain enemies are gonna know, and maybe God doesn't want that.

Part 510 – April 27, 2024
@ 1:20:54 We've lived through the day of small things. And, as a result, attacked and attacked and attacked from inside and out.

Part 414 – January 14, 2023
@ 1:25:10 Why would God show us Abib 1 in a definitive way? Absolutely inarguable. I don’t care what any enemy knows. I hope the whole world hears it. They won’t. They won’t believe it.

Dave did not hope the whole world would hear it because RCG would release their messages publicly if he wanted that. Who is fibbing now, Dave?

Part 389 – August 24, 2022
@ 34:31 We’ve endured for almost two dozen years beatings by evil people who’ve done everything in their power to destroy this work.

Part 468 – September 9, 2023
@ 1:17:03 This a powerful statement. “You were made a gazing stock.” We’re mocked you like you wouldn’t believe right now. You just wouldn’t believe it.

The mocking of David C. Pack is justified.

David C. Pack may position himself as the noble victim, but he is actually a perpetrator of biblical fraud. Proven, documented facts support the conclusion that David C. Pack is a hypocritical, blaspheming liar and false prophet. He is a false apostle and false teacher, taking the Lord's name in vain and stealing titles and roles belonging to Jesus Christ while spineless, complicit coconspirators at The Restored Church of God enable his theological madness.

David C. Pack reaps what he sows and brings any angst coming his way upon his own head.

David C. Pack is no victim. His perceived enemies are designated such because they accurately record what he said, analyze what he said, publish what he said, and remind everyone what he previously said.

If I am counted as an enemy, I am perfectly fine with that. God will judge between him and me.

ATTENTION: If anyone knows who is lying and spreading mistruths about David C. Pack and The Restored Church of God, please write exrcgwebsite@gmail.com so I may investigate. No one needs to make up things to make them look bad. David C. Pack does that so well, all on his own.

Marc Cebrian

See: David C. Pack’s Enemies (Part 2)

UCG, LCG, COGWA And Their Annual 'It's Not A Christmas Party" Weekend

Christmas with COGWA at the Galt House where UCG used to meet every year 

till COGWA apostatized and usurped the facility from under UCG.

It is that time of year when certain Church of God groups hold their annual holiday festivus parties, pretending they have nothing to do with Christmas. 

A rerun from 2014.

A reader here took exception to me making fun of UCG, LCG, and COGWA's annual "It's Not A Christmas Celebration" weekends. UCG, COGWA, and LCG started this tradition several years ago to give the kids of the various splinter groups something to do while the rest of the world celebrates Christmas. Children in Armstrongism have always gotten the short shift on everything. Most of the things their friends enjoy they are not allowed to do. UCG, COGWA, and LCG have made themselves slaves to the pagan mythology and the membership pays the price for that silliness.

They book these weekends in resorts that are decked out for Christmas from trees to garlands and millions of lights. Yet through it all, not one single UCG member, LCG member, or COGWA member looks at any of those decorations, listens to the Christmas music playing, or marvels at the beauty of the lights. When they walk into these places the blinders go on and the earplugs go in. Then once they are sequestered in their meeting or play spaces they click their tongues at the poor uneducated, deceived, pagan worshiping, filthy heathens outside the doors bowing down to Christmas trees decked out with Lucifer testicles, dead babies, and Satan's snakes.

The hypocrisy of these groups knows no boundaries.

I would like to inform you about North West Weekend which you are accusing to be a Christmas party in one of your blog's. Do you even go to our church? Have you ever been to our church? North West Weekend is not a Christmas party yes we have a dance Saturday night but we only use that weekend because everyone has it off we would gladly use another weekend but that one is easiest we don't have Christmas trees or wreaths or any of the fixings of a Christmas party this year our theme for the teen dance is a night in old morraco we also have volleyball on Thursday day this year we have our ski day. Christmas has no part in your weekend we usually forget it's around Christmas unless someone brings it up. Also it is not the only weekend we do stuff. We have church Saturday and after sundown we set up we do it in winter time because sunset is early and we have time to set up and have a three hour dance, and then have time to pack up and leave. As a fourteen year old I'm ashamed that you as an adult don't have enough reasoning power to realize this.

Apparently, sunset is a rather inconvenient thing to work around the rest of the year.

Christmas with UCG at the Great Wolf Lodge and not a Christmas decoration in sight!

Dave Pack's Enemies. Who Are They?

 

David C. Pack’s Enemies (Part 1)

It may be unusual for mainstream Christians to hear about a self-proclaimed servant of Jesus Christ lamenting about all the wicked enemies plaguing him. But those familiar with Pastor General David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God are not surprised.

For years, David C. Pack has been decrying how vicious enemies surround him and attack him with devilish hatred. I have never personally witnessed this and often wondered who he refers to.

Who are David C. Pack’s enemies?

From what one could glean from his sporadic, cryptic statements, they are sometimes former members and ministers, but sometimes family members and people in the Splinters. It is hard to discern who his whiny ire is directed at.

For those new to the website, my name is Marc Cebrian. I am a former member of The Restored Church of God and still live in Wadsworth, Ohio. I became a full-time Headquarters staff member in Media Production Services in December 2012. I was one of two video editors who worked on The World to Come, which ceased production in 2017, and their now defunct annual documentary, Behind the Work.

I was extremely disturbed by the direction of the church after David C. Pack announced he was Elijah the Prophet in January 2015. In December 2015, he declared that Elijah was That Prophet…not Jesus Christ. This directly contradicted a powerfully effective warning tool: Is “That Prophet” Alive Today? The Rise of False Prophets, written by David C. Pack. Past Dave warned us about Future Dave.

I held fast to that which I was taught with much prayer, fasting, and tears until I could no longer stomach the complicit insanity unfolding at Headquarters. After former critical thinker Edward L. Winkfield made a habit of regurgitating prophetic nonsense to show homage to his human idol, I finally resigned in March 2021.

Using my own Bible study notes as the genesis, I established exrcg.org in June 2022 to expose the teachings of David C. Pack and the enablers at The Restored Church of God. The most biting words on the website are that of David C. Pack—not mine.

The best way to expose the Pastor General’s true character and solidify his reputation was to let David C. Pack speak. Nobody could do more damage to David C. Pack than David C. Pack. There is an exquisite irony about that, which still makes me giggle.

From his own mouth, David C. Pack declares he has enemies. But who are they?

For the record, David C. Pack is not my enemy. In fact, I have NO enemies. Like everyone, I have had people be terrible to me, the worst of which was an ex-girlfriend who was a minister's daughter. Even though she was one of the most awful, hurtful human beings I have ever encountered, I can still say I have NO enemies.

Part 371 of “The Greatest Untold Story!” was the first instance that made me wonder if Dave was talking about me. Before my website, I had regularly contributed to Banned by HWA and did three interviews with Dawn Blue of How It’s Done in Wadsworth.

Part 371 – May 28, 2022
@ 1:30:05 And that sounds like maybe we’re gonna go through some things. I still wonder whether whether maybe there’ll be some final attack on us. I promise you, this sermon will get out, and there'll be mockers. There are wicked people who are who are excited about what they can do to us. They can’t stop us.

More sideways references were mentioned, and supporters believed my interviews and website were making a difference. Maybe exrcg.org was starting to get under Dave's skin, and he saw me as his enemy.

Part 387 – August 15, 2022
@ 39:23 I mean, we’ve got people so wicked trying, besieging us. I finally came to understand what Habakkuk 2:5 is. The wicked compassing the righteous. People who were once with us are more wicked (almost) than the devil. And we got some of our brethren seem to wanna listen to what they say. It’s strange.

Part 417 – February 2, 2023
@ 1:55:18 So, I'm expecting next Tuesday, and I know there are enemies among us who are dead men walking. Maybe you only need one. And they’ll post it to evil men. Don’t worry about it. It may shake some people. Don’t worry about it. If I’m gonna tell you it’s got it’s gonna go online. There are people. The wicked don't understand, and they'll commit suicide in two seconds.

Part 478 – November 4, 2023
@ 1:00:08 There are people who are in this church, and some will have left the church and and attack us.

 

Does David C. Pack see ME as his enemy?

His recent quotes would suggest that, but that cannot be true when you measure his descriptive statements against reality. However, once David C. Pack judges you as his enemy, you ARE his enemy regardless of what was actually said or done. Former ministers at Headquarters can confirm this.

Part 548 – December 7, 2024
@ 1:06:38 …struggling to a date while inside a beautiful Kingdom makes absolutely no sense. It does for us because there’s hell all around us. We’re under constant attack by liars and satanic people.

Dave has been whining about enemies for years but has never thoroughly explained what kinds of attacks are perpetrated. He does not elaborate on the lies that are said about him or The Restored Church of God. He somehow discerns that these perceived enemies are motivated by Satan. How does he know?

Just by this singular sentence, he absolves me personally and exrcg.org as a reporting entity of being his enemy.

I do not attack him. I report what he says and carefully analyze it.

I do not lie about him. I accurately record what he said, when he said it, and remind people what he previously said even though that might not be convenient for him.

Satan does not pour my cup of coffee each morning. So, who is Dave crying about?

David C. Pack refers to his perceived enemies as "our" enemies, as if the members of The Restored Church of God have adopted those same people as their personal adversaries. The transparent “Us vs. Them” psychological manipulation is displayed in full effect and has been for years.

Part 549 – December 14, 2024
@ 56:30 “Now, this gonna get out, Mr. Pack.” I don’t care. I’m gonna help it. It's funny. We sorta want our enemies to talk about it now. They won’t say a word. [audience laughs] Come on. Talk. Tell people. Don’t shut up now. They know it would serve our purpose.

Dave ignorantly assigns motive where none exists. That is a figment of his victimhood imagination. Nobody sits around worrying whether or not letting his dopey ideas go public serves RCG’s purpose.

This is my 286^th article for exrcg.org, and I have never considered, “Oh no…this might help them if I report on it.” What Dave says in sermons is so outlandish that nothing he says would help RCG. That is why they keep their “Greatest Untold Story!” content locked behind closed doors for members only. They never want the complete story to get out because if they did, they would do it. Am I lying, Ed?

They do not want new members to have the complete picture either, or they would make the first 30 parts available in Member Services and keep Is “That Prophet” Alive Today? The Rise of False Prophets on the shelf. Grease your way around that one, Brad. Outdated doctrine is last week for you guys now.

@ 56:48 So, our enemies have gone mute. Deaf. They're deaf-mutes. [audience laughs] But, they won’t be able to help themselves. They’re too full of hate. And they’ll eventually kick into gear and start mocking, and the word’ll get out, but they'll be thousands of people hearing it from us. Not just our enemies.

My voluntary break from monitoring RCG finally reached Dave’s ears. Mocking is practically required when reporting on the recycled malarkey David C. Pack says and what The Restored Church of God believes week to week, considering it changes week to week.

I do not possess even a twinkle of hate. What I do have is an extreme distaste for the religious fraud that David C. Pack and The Restored Church of God perpetuates. Due to my 9-year Headquarters access and diligent note-keeping, I am perfectly qualified to be a scribe and herald for the prophetic corruption of that spiritually bankrupt organization. Dave may see this as an attack, but is it really?

David C. Pack’s perceived enemy went mute. But because I do not hate anyone, that cannot be me.

 

I took a break from listening to Dave’s sermons for about two months and came back into the fold just in time to catch some interesting moments.

Part 545 – November 16, 2024
@ 50:32 There’s a group that anticipates and expects both day and hour. And then there’s groups there are people who left us and attacked us who are expecting neither.

Former members attack them. Exactly how is RCG attacked? Dunno.

Part 546 – November 23, 2024
@ 1:17:53 I've been wrestling with the responsibility to inform these groups [Splinters] in a series of… broadcasts about what comes next. They don’t know. They hear bits and pieces from our enemies.

Dave’s perceived enemies distribute information. Exactly how is that an attack?

I guess the idea of “freely you have received, freely give” is for suckers. If David C. Pack preaches the gospel as he has repeated in sermons, and Jesus Christ wanted it to be preached to all the world as a witness before the end comes, how is “leaking” bits of the “good news” any kind of attack?

If Dave's claims are valid, one could conclude that Marc Cebrian is better at preaching the gospel than The Restored Church of God. After all, they want to take that bright light of knowledge and put it under a paywall bushel while exrcg.org tries to shout it from the rooftops.

Maybe imaginary attacks are simply reporting how error-filled Dave's messages are when he cannot even believe the content for an entire week.

Part 550 – December 21, 2024
@ 56:29 Of course, our enemies love to talk about how I got dates wrong. And they they don’t remember Mr. Armstrong did. They don't remember all the apostles did, and they went their entire life. The apostles went their entire lives telling people that they lived in the last days, and God recorded it. Our our our enemies never talk about what I say is coming only, “He said this date. And he said that one and the other one.” And we’ve been wrong.

David C. Pack declaring 91 failed dates since March 2022 is the simplest way to prove nothing else he says matters. Why should anyone on this green earth care what he thinks is coming prophetically when he already got the timing of those private interpretations completely wrong?

Credibility is required for belief. David C. Pack has zero credibility.

Come on, Carl. Six dates within six weeks! Are you kidding? How are you not completely ashamed?

December 16 – January 15 – December 31 – March 29 – February 13 – January 29

Did you notice how Dave threw Herbert W. Armstrong under the bus again? Boy, the story about that guy changes based on need. I have heard Dave say, "Mr. Armstrong never set dates," "Mr. Armstrong never claimed to be Elijah,” and I have heard Dave say the opposite when it suits his purpose.

Despite Dave flip-flopping six weeks in a row because he suffers from prophetic ADHD, he still credits God with his epileptic inspiration.

@ 56:53 But yet, God still considered it prophesying. Mr. Armstrong was still the Sixth Messenger and apostle. He got every date he ever suh-uh-uh uttered wrong. And he and he uttered a bunch for a long time, even well before I came into the church. And he's the greatest servant I ever knew. So, I know I got dates wrong. But the question always was: Were we ever gonna get it right? Were we ever gonna get it right?

No. David C. Pack will never get it right. Am I filled with hate and attacking with lies because I point that out? Let time determine which one of us is the liar, Dave.

 

Part 550 – December 21, 2024
@ 1:19:39 Now, I wanna just say something. I know what our enemies, wicked people who are on a very short clock, will point out. They hate. They hate. I mean, two-thirds of people are gonna hate God [chuckles] and when He set up His First Kingdom. They’re gonna hate you.

Since I am not motivated by hate, Dave cannot be talking about me being on a very short clock. God will judge whether I am wicked or not. I go to sleep with a clear conscience and stand behind every word written on exrcg.org.

I know that David C. Pack, Bradford Schleifer, Edward Winkfield, Carl Houk, Ryan Denee, Salasi Jezhi, Frank Lydick, Jaco Viljoen, Jim Habboush, Andrew Holcombe, and Raymond Garb cannot say the same about what their den of wolves has taught.

@ 1:20:45 God God will wake them up. He’ll work with them. He will. Don’t give up on them. But they need trauma… Maybe God will be merciful, and some of them are close to ready, and we’ll see what the next, you know, five and a half weeks will will will bear out.

These statements sound like Dave is speaking in God’s name to pronounce coming punishment upon those who expose the theological fraud of The Restored Church of God. His perceived enemies will be sorry for ever mocking him. Or will they?

The doohs, oh-noes, and gnashing of teeth just outside the Headquarters’ gate will be sweet music to his smug ears because the whole world will finally be forced to accept that David C. Pack was right.

Nothing biblical or prophetic will happen between now and January 29, 2025. Even if an airplane falls on me, please do not see that as God legitimizing Dave…it was just time and chance. To be safe, Gary and Dennis should also be very careful when they take a shower.

 

Who is the true enemy of the members of The Restored Church of God? Perhaps a gaslighting liar.

Part 505 – April 6, 2024
@ 1:15:37 My enemies will say, “He prophesied this date.” I did not. I taught you that as surely as I taught you I teach you to keep the Sabbath.

Perhaps a false teacher who claims to speak in God’s name and designates people as God’s enemy.

Part 390 – August 27, 2022
@ 09:09 But would He [God] let our enemies know? But but let's let's phrase it this way: Would He let His enemies know? Who are monitoring what we're learning? Would He do that? 

Part 487 – December 23, 2023
@ 1:12:15 Or, would He [God] let our enemies, His enemies know? I’ve asked that question before.

Perhaps a fear monger who promotes manufactured threats of violence against the members.

Part 367 – May 14, 2022
@ 1:42:09 But I’d rather just tell you we’re right on track. It looks to me like it's tomorrow night, or we wait a year. And then, watch our enemies crow. Because I promise you, there’s at least one evil person in this church who’s gonna post this in the spirit of murder.

Part 384 – July 26, 2022
@ 1:05:21 What we came through had to be fire. We caught hell from the left, hell from the right. North, south, east, and west in this church. And here we sit. The murderous people who left us and attacked us and never came with us, of course, could not destroy the church.

Part 524 – July 17, 2024
@ 1:10:43 It’s impossible to separate Joseph from the from the story of this little flock that sold all that did these amazing things under ferocious fire and attack by people who wanted us as as dead as that shooter wanted the president.

What is the ferocious fire and attack he refers to? Dave never elaborates.

Nobody wants David C. Pack dead. My preference would be for him to have a moment of theological sobriety where he finally understands the depths of his religious fraud, resigns, and repents. That will happen just as soon as monkeys fly out of my butt.

Part 531 – August 17, 2024
@ 03:50 But now so many years have passed, and there are people who kinda ran out of steam, didn’t stick around, lost patience. That doesn’t mean because they lost patience with the process that God lost patience with them. And those who leave and attack and try to murder the church are in a very different category.

Accurately identifying David C. Pack as a false prophet is not losing patience. It is exercising wisdom and discernment, and it is a result of believing your Bible. Nobody is trying to murder The Restored Church of God, but it would be helpful if Dave shared even one shred of tangible proof regarding that claim.

When fear is your product, it does not require evidence because it sells itself.

Am I David C. Pack’s real enemy?

After evaluating all his characterizations, the only objective and logical answer is NO.

As a vocal former member, I do justly mock him, but I am not filled with hatred. I do not attack him but merely record, report, and analyze his words. I am not more wicked (almost) than the devil. I am not motivated by an evil heart. I am not murderous. 

But most importantly, I do not lie about David C. Pack or what goes on at The Restored Church of God.

When Dave opens his mouth, stupid things fall out. He continually contradicts himself. He is an unstable, angry, accusatory, self-righteous, blaspheming, hypocritical liar, taking the Lord's name in vain while he commits biblical fraud upon the willfully blind members of The Restored Church of God.

Am I his enemy because I point that out?

The real enemy of The Restored Church of God and David C. Pack is David C. Pack.

Marc Cebrian

See: David C. Pack’s Enemies (Part 1)

Happy 12th To The Greatest African Swindle Ever!

 

It's paaaaaaaarty time, boys and girls! Get out your confetti and noisemakers as we celebrate the greatest African con job the church has ever seen! The Great Bwana to Africa is tooting his little horn today as he celebrates 12 years of the existence of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God on the African continent. This a pretty mighty feat, considering the loony Wade Cox claims to have converted almost all of Africa to his church, including the African Muslims. But this is the Church of God, after all, and truth-telling is not one of its strong points.

The Great Bwana Bob writes:

In the past 12 years, the CCOG went from 5 congregants to over 9,000.

This has already been proven wrong by people in Africa for years now. 

He continues on claiming he is a continuation of the Philadelphia Era malarkey that Herbert taught:

Notice an important criteria that Jesus set:

16 You will know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:16).

And what are the fruits?

Essentially, doing what Jesus taught–as well as working on gospel proclamation (Matthew 24:14) and preparation of the short work (Romans 9:28) with growth which helps fulfill Matthew 28:19-20 and Romans 11:25.

Consider that restoration of truth was a reason that the old WCG taught that Philadelphia was raised up to do:

This Philadelphia era has been raised up to do the work of Elijah in preparation of “restoring all things” (Matt. 17:11). (Waterhouse G. Enlist in the Army of God. Good News, June-July 1979)

Using Gerald Waterhouse as a truthful reference is pretty desperate, considering how much that man lied over the decades. 

Sadly, even Herbert and Waterhouse did not know the full completion yet to come. The Great Bwana Bob has restored three things that Herbert was too ignorant to teach. Only God's highly favored leader, brought into being before the foundations of the world began, was able to do this!

In addition to matters on church history and prophecy, speaking of restoration, many other things have been restored since Herbert Armstrong’s death.

Let’s look at three.

First of all, why did God create anything? In the Continuing Church of God we teach:

God created what He did so eternity would be better. (cf. Hebrews 6:9, 11:16; Philippians 1:23) 

Do you agree with that?

Secondly, why did God make you? In the Continuing Church of God we teach:

Your purpose in this life is to build character so you can maximize your potential and increase how much better you can improve eternity. God made YOU so that you will be able to use your unique talents (Matthew 25:14-23; Luke 19:11-19) to give love in order to make eternity better! 

Do you agree with that?

Thirdly, why did God make others? In the Continuing Church of God we teach:

God’s plan for all who will respond to Him is to be able to give love in a unique way to make eternity better for them personally and everyone else

Do you agree with that?

Those are three BASIC TRUTHS which were not fully restored by Herbert W. Armstrong nor the other COGs, but were restored via the Continuing Church of God.

 

No other Church of God, anywhere on this green earth, is teaching the "truth" like the improperly named "continuing" Church of God is. Who knew!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Apostle Paul predicted this!!!!!!!!

The Apostle Paul wrote:

14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, (2 Timothy 3:14)

Those truths were first taught in this century by the CCOG, which is where others also learned them.

If you agree with them, that should help you recognize that the Continuing Church of God does best represent the Philadelphian remnant of the Church of God during this time of Laodicean church dominance.

Jesus himself warned future generations that they would rebel against the improperly named "conning" Church of God! 

As Jesus said to the Philadelphians, “Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.”

Brethren, do not reject the truths restored by and to the Philadelphians because of critics and those who think their pet doctrine or assessment of how a church should be run affect you. NO OTHER GROUP HAS RESTORED THE TRUTHS THAT THE CCOG HAS–AND PROPHETICALLY THAT IS WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR THE PHILADELPHIAN REMNANT TO DO.

We in the Continuing Church of God have been restoring all things–at least 17, while keeping/holding fast to the original 18 that Herbert W. Armstrong said God had him restore. No other groups has restored so much in the 21st century. The CCOG possesses the Philadelphian mantle.

Um, no, it doesn't! Why does Bob lie so much? 

The Great Bwana then goes on to make these ridiculous claims:

Radio/Worldwide and Continuing Church of God Similarities: 

Radio/Worldwide Church of God	Continuing Church of God
Formation preceded by a dream given by God to a woman  (Loma Armstrong).	Formation preceded by a dream given by God to a woman  (Fesilafai Fiso Leaana).
Took time to accept if the dream came from God.	Took time to accept if certain dreams came from God.
Taught that at least two eras of the true Church could exist at the same time.	Taught that at least two eras of the true Church could exist at the same time.
Was led by one man at a time, who was considered to have the top ecclesiastical position, not a committee. It practiced hierarchical church governance.	Is led by one man at a time, who is considered to have the top ecclesiastical position, not a committee. It practices hierarchical church governance.
Top leader (Herbert W. Armstrong) had a special calling through a dream.	Top leader (Bob Thiel) had a special calling through a dream.
Held the Philadelphian mantle.	Holds the Philadelphian remnant mantle
Leader (Herbert W. Armstrong) left prior COG organization because the top leadership said he was right on doctrinal and prophetic matters, but that group (CG7) would not teach them.	Leader (Bob Thiel) left prior COG organization because the top leadership said he was right on doctrinal and prophetic matters, but that group (LCG), after promising to do so, decided it would not teach them.
Taught that God would use dreams and fulfill Acts 2:17-18 in the end.	Taught that God would use dreams and fulfill Acts 2:17-18 in the end—and that this has happened to the CCOG more than any other group in the 21st century.
Started mass public proclamation as a radio guest.	Started mass public proclamation on the internet and as a radio guest.
Focused on reaching the entire world with the Gospel of the Kingdom of God in multiple languages.	Focused on reaching the entire world with the Gospel of the Kingdom of God in more languages than had ever been done in the history of the Church of God.
Continued with mass media including radio.	Continued with mass media including radio.
Did not have much money in its early years.	Did not have much money in its early years.
For years, had scattered members in North America with few congregations.	For years, has had scattered members in North America with few congregations.
Went through ‘new doors’ like television.	Went through ‘new doors’ like Internet television.
Taught work would be revived.	Teaches it revived the Philadelphia work.
Taught Philadelphia work would endure to the end.	Teaches that Philadelphia work is continuing to the end and that is consistent with Hebrews 13:1, literal translation.
Taught that the full number of Gentiles would come in.	Teaches that the full number of Gentiles must come in—and has been successfully reaching them. Note: That was not clearly taught in any of the COGs once I was in, until after CCOG formed.
Fulfilled first portion of Loma Armstrong’s dream.	Working towards fulfilling the second portion of Loma Armstrong’s dream.
For many years, averaged 30% growth per year.	For many years, averaged over 30% growth per year.
Was willing to change positions prior group held when the Bible supported the change.	Was willing to change positions prior group held when the Bible supported the change.
Had prophetic understanding others lacked.	Has prophetic understanding others lack.
Proclaimed the Ezekiel watchman warning.	Functions as a watchman proclaiming the Ezekiel watchman warning.
Restored at least 18 truths lost by the end of the Sardis era.	Officially teaches those 18 restored truths, plus others related to prophecy, doctrine, and church history.
To minimize government interference, eventually formed as a ‘corporation sole.’	To minimize government interference, initially formed as a ‘corporation sole.’
The fastest growing COG in the mid 20th century.	The fastest growing COG in the 21st century.

There are many parallels. For those with eyes to see, CCOG is the clear Philadelphian leading successor.

No other COG has the entire list, nor even most of it, except the CCOG. Do not deceive yourself that all COGs are about the same.

You must get on your knees repent from your unbelief, and follow the Great Bwana blindly as he leads you to perdition.

Accept the biblical criteria, which were also the old WCG criteria, for the Philadelphian remnant.

And truly, Philadelphians need to keep preaching to the world until the end comes, since they will be around until the end comes. Thus, Herbert W. Armstrong knew that the work of Matthew 24:14 was not finished. It is the highly dedicated in the real Church of God that will finish the final phase of the work before (Matthew 24:14; see also the video Implications of Matthew 24:14) and during (Revelation 11:3-14) the Great Tribulation and Day of the Lord–and the final phase will also involve dealing with the ecumenical religion that will rise up (cf. Revelation 13:4,8; 14:9-13)–and this is what the Continuing Church of God is doing.

Contrary to those who interpret Herbert W. Armstrong otherwise, the first half of Matthew 24:14 has not been completely fulfilled. It was only to the Philadelphians, the ones that are specifically promised protection, who were given the open door to proclaim the gospel. Since it is also only the Philadelphians that are promised to be protected from the tribulation, they must still exist at the time of the end. The world still does not really know of the Church of God, but this will change as the result of the work of the Philadelphians. Because the Laodicean work is not acceptable to Jesus, it makes no sense that the Laodiceans will be the ones who complete the work of proclaiming the gospel. Remember, the Laodiceans are condemned for having a work that is different than that of the Philadelphians.

If you do not heed the words of the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu, then your life is endangered, and you will not be allowed into Petra.