Oh wow, it took barely any time at all for God's Greatest Gift to the Universe to pop his precious self-righteous cork today. All because of a post calling out all of the lying COG false prophets. Shocking, I know.
This self-anointed Oracle of All That Is True is absolutely convinced (with the unshakable certainty usually reserved for flat-earthers and people who still think pineapple belongs on pizza) that HE is the sole surviving vessel of genuine prophecy on planet Earth. Everyone else? Deceived dupes. Satanic plants. Discount-bin Elijah-wannabes selling expired rapture coupons. Meanwhile, the scoreboard of spectacularly failed prophecies looks like a CVS receipt after Black Friday.
Now, it is true that Alton Billingsley was wrong about that as well as many other predictions he made. I have long warned against his false predictions...
I have also long denounced false prophets like Ron Weinland, David Pack, and Gerald Flurry...
But when he got to his name being mentioned...Holy Herbal Pills, Batman! Things didn't go so well with the Great Bwana!
That being said, here is what Gary Leonard at Banned put up after quoting Don Billingsley:
In the end, the modern-day Church of God movement has produced an unbroken parade of self-proclaimed prophets whose batting average sits at a pristine .000.
Every. Single. One.
For example, in the old WCG at the Feast of Tabernacles in Tucson, AZ in 1979, I heard the late Dr. Herman Hoeh state that the Eastern Block nations, who were then behind the ‘Iron Curtain’ would end up uniting with Western Europe–that has happened.
In 1971, the late Gene Hogberg wrote that Europe would get its own currency (Hogberg G. EUROPE’S COMMON MARKET RISING WORLD COLOSSUS. Plain Truth, May 1971), and it now does.
He take particular offense at being associated with Flurry, Billingsley, Pack, and Weinland
Getting back to nonsense from Banned, that site likes to try to connect me to false prophets like David Pack, Gerald Flurry, Don Billingsley, and Ron Weinland. And Gary Leonard referred to me as “that other global heavyweight of almost-truth, Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel.”
He claims that because I have associated him with the Unholy Tetrad. This besmirches his prophetic status. It is "guilt by association".
Guilt by association has long been a tactic of Satan–he had his minions do that related to Jesus (Matthew 11:19; Mark 2:16; Luke 5:13). Anyway, on September 21, 2025, Gary Leonard posted the following:
No man alive in the Armstrongist churches today has ever authenticated the gospel message through signs, wonders, and miracles. None of them—including Bob Thiel and Ron Weinland— will ever do so in the future. They cannot even get a prophecy right,
Well, that, of course is not true in the case of the (sic) myself in the CCOG.
He continues:
We do have the confirmed miraculous signs of the last days.
Notice something that Herbert Armstrong wrote in 1985:
In these last days, according to biblical prophecy, knowledge, spiritual as well as material, was to be increased. The true Church of God was to be set back on the track, restoring the glorious knowledge of the faith once delivered to the saints in the days of the original apostles. (Armstrong HW. Mystery of the Ages, 1985)
Would not spiritual and prophetic knowledge include making predictions inspired by God and having a better understanding of prophecy than the non-Philadelphian COGs?
If God had actually breathed divine inspiration into those so-called “predictions” and “prophecies,” then sure, we’d all be falling to our knees in reverent awe. But spoiler alert: that is emphatically not the case with Bwana Bob Thiel. God has done precisely zilch of the sort. Not a whisper. Not a nudge. Not even a vague celestial Post-it note. Bwana Bob is a pure, 100% self-manufactured wonder—so far off the prophetic charts that we’re all left breathlessly speculating what fresh, gourmet-grade lunacy he’ll serve up next. Will it be another dream where he’s hand-delivered the keys to the kingdom by an angel wearing a name tag? Or perhaps a brand-new “I told you so” about something everyone else predicted five years earlier? The anticipation is positively thrilling (said no one ever).
Then—because nothing screams “I’m the One True Prophet™” quite like a victory lap—he proceeds to parade a bunch of his supposed “prophecies” for our viewing pleasure. And what do we find? Every single one is just a news story he scraped off the internet, slapped a “Thus saith Bwana” sticker on, and called it revelation. The “end results”? Things that had already been shouted from every other Armstrongist rooftop, Reddit thread, and late-night YouTube rant for years. Real, original, specific, verifiable predictions?
None.Zero.
Bupkis.
The Great Bwana then goes on to conclude with this:
Jesus said that fruits were the criteria to determine true vs. false prophets (John 7:15-20). The Continuing Church of God has the true fruits.
The Bible teaches:
16 The lazy man is wiser in his own eyesThan seven men who can answer sensibly. (Proverbs 26:16)
Do not simply accept nonsense and other anti-CCOG statements posted at places online.
The Apostle Paul wrote:
20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:20-21)
The webmaster at the Banned by HWA website refuses to do that.
Oh please, let's wrap this glorious trainwreck of a spectacle with the mic-drop it so richly deserves.
They’re not watchmen.
They’re carnival barkers in ill-fitting apostolic robes, desperately trying to sell expired tickets to an apocalypse that keeps getting rescheduled.
And maybe—just maybe—realize that the true end-time sign isn’t another vague headline or self-proclaimed prophet. It’s the moment you stop listening to men who keep getting it spectacularly wrong… and start listening to the One who never does.
12 comments:
Bob Thiel is no Prophet and sadly has decieved himself into thinking he's God's Anointed One, when infact as Rod Meredith pointed out he suffers from Delusions of Grandeur. This makes him a False Prophet. This latest Wade Cox/Sosten fiasco should make him realize he can't discern truth from lies, even when he has all the evidences staring him right in the face. Bobs dream of thousands in Africa 🌍 is his dream of greatness and signs of the Philadelphia Mantel, which in all reality is his own Delusion. He set himself up for failing when he made his first prediction of predicting the CCOG would be the fastest growing church of god. Satan and his Demons pulled all these Conn men from Africa 🌍 right to Dr Bob Thiel to fulfill his ego driven Delusions of Prophethood. Bob you should have invested the 3 or 4 million in the US or Serbia when Sasha warned you about these Conn Men!!! Now all you have to show for is absolutely nothing, except giving Big Evans and Radson money to spend on Women and Witchdoctors. This truly is the art of BOBBISM!!!!
All prophets are false prophets.
The truth is like money. People like to get it but they do not like to give it away.
You wrote that Bob takes "particular offense at being associated with Flurry, Billingsley, Pack, and Weinland".
He should. Each of those men was duly ordained in the Worldwide Church of God under Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong. In WCG, Bob was a lowly lay member who (as his sermons prove) never even graduated from Spokesman's Club. Ministers tolerated him because he was reliable in giving very good tithes and offerings, not because he was a leader in the congregation or an effective speaker. To associate Bob with those properly trained and ordained ministers is offensive to those men and to HWA.
I don't know how everyone else has recovered from Armstrongism. In spite of the myriad proofs against that system even resembling truth, or being "of God", or even Christian by its very nature, there has always remained in my mind about a 1% possibility that in spite of all of the innate badness we experienced, it could end up being right. Checks and balances. You must always have them in your life. This is why I felt it best to keep the remnants in clear view, to watch them, to determine whether any would emerge as taking on the Biblical characteristics exhibited and exemplified by the prophets, patriarchs, and apostles of the Bible. As an example, I believe most have carefully watched the splinters to see if one or any broke away from the cluster, becoming the super-blessed one, the one that was quite obviously right. The sparks have been fanned by the "leaders" in the same manner as Herbert Armstrong once did, yet none have become the raging inferno which he created, and which existed for a while until the entire enterprise imploded and collapsed, leaving only statistically negligible evidence of the once powerful message and growth that had been HWA's hallmark.
I am sure that any of the individuals we evaluate and critique here can and do resent being associated with the others who have aspired to take up the mantle. How can you not associate them with one another, when all have come from the same place, and all are failing? The evaluation of these men must come from outside observers, and not the men themselves. It is easy to hype the things you feel are your distinguishing achievements, but are your activities obviating the leadership you covet to the masses? If not, I am sorry, but you are still wallowing amongst the plethora of other bottom-feeders.
Life in the latter 2020s is tenuous, just as it was in the late 1960s and 1970s. There are many similarities, but also new twists. Armstrongite prophets continue to attempt to disingenuously shoehorn these events into the Armstrong prophecy mold. If HWA had really given us the truth, one would think that at least one group would be capable of seizing the opportunity, becoming the successful heir to HWA, acclaimed as such by others and not the false prophet/entrepreneurs themselves. Cut all of the hype and bravado out, and what is left? The sounds of silence!
BB
Hate to introduce a little "yeahbuttitis" to your comment, but the men you mentioned left the mothership which had authored their ministerial credentials, and started or participated in outlaw splinters! I wonder if that doesn't bring them down a few notches, perhaps closer to Bob Thiel's level? The splinters have all made alterations to HWA's blueprints, policies and methods of church government. AC was not accredited until its final years.
These guys are all terribly flawed, although the AC grads are somewhat more polished.
No way Bob got the Elisha treatment from Gaylin Bonjour! Elisha would have sent bears down to Pasadena to get Gary for this!
Baby Boomers have ruled the roost of COG for far too long. Spolit by power their faith ebbed away.
I believe that you almost need to plot the baby boomers against the timeline for Ambassador College to obtain the explanation for their predominance. The last ones would have graduated from AC in 1986. That's the year in which HWA died. In the minds of those who remained as adherents to the HWA doctrines, how authentic was Ambassador College after that? How many graduates were ordained after that? Ambassador College/University continued until 1997, but how valid would the stalwarts consider any graduate's quality of education during the Tkach years?
In industry in general, there is mandatory retirement. Baby boomers have defied this, due to the communal work ethic they share. I had thought that following the terms of President Obama, the torch would have passed to Gen X. Nationally, we got yanked back to baby boomer rule, and we see where that has taken us. So, it's a thing outside of the ACOGs as well. But, I think the age factor has always been present. In the 1960s the parents still looked to Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby, and we thought that odd. Our own heroes are dying off, but those still vibrant manage to pack the arenas. Also, entrepreneurs have been virtually assured of success by tailoring their products and services to the boomers and their wants and needs as they changed with age. It's because of the sheer massive numbers of baby boomers as compared to the other generations.
I wonder if Bob Thiel was around to hear Harold Jackson speak about issues relating exclusively to those who were then called the "Colored" brethren. Mr. Jackson had spent considerable time thinking through differences, and a totally unique set of issues. It would be difficult to attempt to see any positives in a culturally stripping process such as slavery. However, Mr. Jackson pointed out that the process had produced a large number of black people who had been separated from, and purified of tribalism. I believe he even saw the hand of God in this. The ancient tribal religions of Africa were seen by HWA and the WCG, as well as mainstream Christianity, as demon worship. Voodoo. Witch Doctors. Why Ross Bagdasarian, early rock musician aka David Seville, who invented Alvin and the Chipmunks by speeding up the tape of his own voice, even had an earlier hit called "The Witch Doctor". This record would most likely be considered culturally insensitive today, and perhaps would not be made. It has always been easy for us, in the comfort of capitalism, education, and democracy to joke about witch doctors. In Africa? Gotta take them seriously.
I have to wonder how deep a thinker Bob really is. How close is he to the fire? Where does he obtain the unique information he needs in order to even do a work in Africa? How familiar or immersed is he culturally? Can he do a better job of relating to people there than he does in the US? Are the people to whom he ministers, the converts, unique and set apart as they should be? Or, in Armstrongite terms, are they easy fodder for the "crown stealers"? Is it all real, or is it a dangerous game? These are real people who should not be played with for the purpose of self-aggrandizing numbers. It's not the time or place for a halfway job. Conditions and daily life there are far more dire than they are here. Possibly, these questions are already part of Bob's daily introspection. If not............
Nothing to do with Ambassador College as the vast majority who went to AC are from the 'Silent generation'.
Many Baby Boomers who went to AC did not get the same chances as the previous generation did but they dominate the C.O.G.
Sadly Bob doesn't understand the African mindset; they think of the Whites(Muzungu) as the Federal Reserve, and endless supply of Money. There is a Great Jealousy among them, so if they see a fellow African doing well- they don't like it and are very resentful. Unless they are Practicing Christians and believe at least 9 of the Commandments and were raised in that environment, I have found most of the ones I associated with to be dishonest and always hiding their true agenda. They definitely as a people are not like the Western society and must be reeducated to our way of thinking , that's why they can't Govern themselves and since the Mid 1960's when the Colonial rule was ending- it has been a disaster and will continue to be a disaster, End of Story. You can't run any type of church or Charity organization, in the Western mindset as Bob Thiel does. End of Story. Bob doesn't understand that. That's why he really doesn't have anything there to show for it. Or any progress being made in his CCOG Congregations in the way of Self sufficient progress. Or any truth on to what is really going on in CCOG Africa. Also Adultery is Rampant there, I would say 98% or more. Especially Church leadership, even in the Mainstream Churches. Bob doesn't understand the Culture and Mindset, that's why he is in Denial. I can say this with 100% observable Evidence from being there a 5 or 6 times and living amongst them.End of Story. Bob has no clue and is really creating problems and could have Prevented Problems from happening, if he would have listened; but I suppose when one thinks he's a Prophet and thinks all these thousands of members exist., to fullfil his Predictions of Philadelphia greatness-he can't or won't consider it just might be BS and I can guarantee it is all sadly BS. Terry Nelson, the Muzungu African that know all tricks😉
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