Ron Weinland and His "The Rest of... Mystery of the Ages"

For many decades, Herbert Armstrong was the final word on everything. No one dared question him or add to his writings. That only lasted until the Great Apostasy, when scores of underlings—almost always unimportant men in the Church of God—decided they were more enlightened and that God had doubly blessed them with superpowers of understanding, giving them permission to start new churches.

Whether it was Gerald Flurry, Ron Weinland, Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, Alton Billingsley, and so many more, these guys all imagined that their god was speaking directly through them and that they were in constant mind streams of new revelation from their individual gods.

Gerald Flurry has changed many of the words in Mystery of the Ages because, taken at face value, it labels Flurry as a fraud and impostor. Dave Pack felt God needed to reveal more to him and now wallows in the mire of hundreds of failed prophecies and predicted dates of Christ's imminent return. Bob Thiel has also added to the things Herbert Armstrong taught and claims he is the only one Christ is working through today. Alton Billingsley's predictions have also all failed, even though God had specially set him up as the final truth preserver.

And then there is Ron Weinland—the only Church of God leader, so far, who is a convicted felon. His prophecies and predictions have also failed. He, too, needed to correct Herbert Armstrong in his understanding, particularly when it comes to Mystery of the Ages

Herbert Armstrong's Mystery of the Ages identifies seven key mysteries that he believed were hidden from the world and revealed through the Bible, which he interpreted to explain existence. These seven mysteries are: God, Angels and Evil Spirits, Man, Civilization, Israel, the Church, and the Kingdom of God. 

Ron Weinland states, regarding Mystery of the Ages as to why he had to add four new mysteries:

Although this book was a compilation of the fifty plus years of revealed truths given to Herbert W. Armstrong, there was still more truth to be revealed. God reserved a double portion of His spirit to be poured out upon His final apostle for the end-time. The giving of that extra portion of His spirit was for the explicit purpose of revealing many more truths to His Church, and to the world, before His Son returns as King of kings. God’s purpose in this has been to reveal far greater understanding of Himself and His creation at the final stages of the end-time. God is doing this to open the way for great understanding when He begins to pour out His holy spirit upon multiple millions to be called into His Church.

What's with all of these self-appointed crackpot prophets claiming they are doubly anointed, doubly blessed, or are the recipients of a double blessing specially reserved for them by God for use in these perilous end times? 

I do not know how Weinland can claim this since Bob Thiel claims he got the final double blessing. Just more proof they are both liars.

The nonsense continues:

These final four truths that God has given His Church are profound beyond measure. In this final great revelation to mankind, these truths put the finishing touch on what God is now going to perform in His great creation, as He ushers in His Kingdom upon the earth.

These final four truths, revealed through God’s final end-time apostle, bring the total of additional truths added since the apostasy to 36. 

 

New Covenant Christians understand that the office of apostle is foundational and temporary under the New Covenant—the new relationship with God established through Jesus Christ's death and resurrection (Jeremiah 31:31–34; Hebrews 8:6–13). There is no need for apostles today, despite the deceptions that Bob Thiel and Ron Weinland promote as supposed "facts."

The New Testament describes the church as "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone" (Ephesians 2:20). Just as a building requires a one-time foundation, the apostles' role was to lay the groundwork for the early church by spreading the gospel, planting congregations, and providing authoritative teaching. Once this foundation was established in the first century, the need for new apostles ended, as the structure could then be built upon the completed New Testament scriptures.

No one alive today in any Church of God meets the biblical criterion of being an eyewitness to Christ's resurrection, making the office unrepeatable.

Apostles authenticated the gospel message through signs, wonders, and miracles, but this was tied to the launch of the New Covenant era. No man alive in the Armstrongist churches today has ever authenticated the gospel message through signs, wonders, and miracles. None of them—including Bob Thiel and Ron Weinland— will ever do so in the future. They cannot even get a prophecy right, so how in the world will they ever perform miracles and wonders?

Weinland continues:

This is double what God gave during the Philadelphia era. Indeed, a double portion of God’s spirit has been poured out, and the Church and world are now prepared for the final events that will transpire and lead into God’s Kingdom finally being established on this earth.

There is not an Armstrongist church leader alive today who has ever had a "double portion" bestowed upon them, no matter how much they claim so.

These are the supposed "new truths" Wienland pulled out of his posterior

The Spirit Realm

The first of the last four truths that God has chosen to reveal at this stage of the end-time concerns God’s judgment upon Satan and the punish- ment he will receive from God for his rebellion. To understand this pun- ishment and why Satan has been allowed to dwell on this earth, in the presence of mankind—deceiving mankind, cannot be fully understood without understanding the two truths that follow this one.

Then the stupdity just gets worse:

It simply states, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (Jn. 1:1). This verse begins to reveal great and awesome things about God, yet most who read this do not begin to comprehend the magnitude of what God is revealing. Most of the Church of God that was scattered after the apostasy read things into this verse that are neither stated, nor implied. 

 

Most individuals make an assumption concerning verse 14; this is a grave error and actually blasphemous in nature. It states, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth” (Jn. 1:14). This is a simple statement in reference to verse 1 of a revelation to mankind concerning the Word of God, but because of the awkward translation of the verse into English, it is misapplied to a Trinity doctrine. The Trinity teaches that there are three beings in the Godhead that are separate, yet one. The belief of the Trinity is that the “Holy Ghost” (as translated into the English, King James Version) is one of those beings and has eternally existed. The belief also teaches that Jesus Christ is one of the beings of this Godhead who has eternally existed.

So when people read in John 1:1 that the “Word was with God,” they mistakenly assume that this is speaking of the Word in verse 14 that was made flesh—which is clearly speaking of Jesus Christ being the one made of flesh. Because of this assumption, people miss the far greater revelation that God is giving about Himself and His plan for mankind. 

 

When it states that the “Word was with God” it is not stating that the Word was Jesus Christ who was “with” (along side) God. This word “with” in Greek does not mean “along side or together with, as to be with someone.” A simple short study of the word would reveal how it is used in other scripture. There is another word in the Greek language that does mean “to be with someone or along side someone,” but this is not such a word.

Let’s notice a simple example of this: “And he said, Go into the city to [this word “to” is the same Gk. word translated as “with” in Jn.1, but means “unto,” “to,” “at”] such a man, and say unto him, The Master said, My time is at hand; I will keep the Passover at [the same Gk. word that means “unto, to, at”] your house with [a different Gk. word that does mean “with,” as along with], my disciples” (Mat. 26:18). Jesus was not telling his disciples to go into the city “with” the man they were to meet, but they were to go into the city “to or unto” the man he described. He was not telling them that he would keep the Passover “with” the house, but “at” that house. He did say that he would keep the Passover “with” his disciples.

Now, returning to the verse in John 1:1, it is simply saying the “Word was unto God,” not “with” God. In other words, the “Word” was unto God and unto no other. The Word was ONLY unto God. It was God’s Word. In this verse, Jesus Christ is clearly not being spoken of as being “with” God.
This verse is simply a greater revelation of what is recorded earlier: “I am the LORD [Yahweh], and there is none else [Heb.—“no one else”], there is no God [Elohim] beside me: I girded thee, though you have not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD [Yahweh], and there is none else [Heb.—“no one else”]” (Is. 45:5-6). 

 

Those who cling to any part of a Trinity doctrine, either claiming that the Holy Ghost has eternally existed, or that Jesus Christ has eter- nally existed, or both, ignore God’s clear words. This false doctrine of the Catholic Church (that many others have embraced) has caused great confusion in the world and has hindered the spread of the true Gospel (good news) from God about His true plan and purpose for mankind. It has hindered those in Judaism and Islam from learning truth that came through God’s great Prophet, Jesus Christ. The reason being, both of these religious groups believe that God is One (which the world of tradi- tional Christianity has always rejected), and that only the One Almighty God has eternally existed; therefore, they have been quicker to reject any of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 

 

In very clear and even stronger terms, the LORD God (Yahweh Elohim) reveals that He is the Creator of all things and that there was no one else who helped in His creation: “For thus says the LORD [Yahweh] who created the heavens; God [Elohim] Himself who formed the earth and made it. He has established it. He did not create it in vain, but He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD [Yahweh]; and there is none else” (Is. 45:18).

The craziness continues, which is too endless to post here. 

These are the rest of the new revelations he has had:

HISTORY OF THE SPIRIT REALM
THE CREATION OF EVIL
THE CREATION OF ELOHIM

TRUTH #1: There is an end to Satan’s existence. His punishment is that of eternal death, never to have life again.

TRUTH #2: Angels were created and composed of spirit essence and given life by God (spirit life), yet they do not have self-sustaining life inherent in themselves. They are sustained by God, and only God has immortal, self-sustaining life inherent in Himself. It also needs to be understood that at their creation (although the angels were given spirit-sustaining life) they were never given of the holy spirit, nor were they ever given access to it.

TRUTH #3: God created both good and evil,

TRUTH #4: Through the power of the holy spirit, Almighty God will “dwell” IN His Family into everlasting life, and they will always dwell IN Him. 

 

You can read this mishmash of made-up heretical nonsense here: THE REST OF...MYSTERY OF THE AGES

It is like Bob Thiel on steroids!

Hat tip to David for this information!

Dave Pack Tells Another Whopper: RCG Young People Of Baptism Age Have No Chance Whatsoever Unless They Get Baptized Before The Feast!

Dave just gets worse by the day!

If we thought Bob Thiel was a liar with false biblical interpretations, 

Dave is working himself right up there next to him.

 

False Prophet Calls Dave Pack A False Prophet And Gives Him A Dire Warning!

I just love it when hypocritical, self-serving, self-appointed false prophets in the Church of God get all prissy and call other COG leaders false prophets. They seem to forget that the very verses they lob as grenades against their competition apply directly to them.

Bob Thiel condemned himself whith this:

David Pack has been in my prayers for spiritual reasons.

I have long felt that the following also applied to David Pack:

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. (2 Peter 2:1-3) 

 

12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, 13 and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, 14 having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. (2 Peter 2:12-14) 

 

18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. (2 Peter 2:18-20) 

 

While I wish David Pack no ill, and am praying for his health, I pray he and those with him will open their eyes and see the truth.

Oh, wait, is Dave supposed to repent and move over to the improperly named  "continuing Church of God, where the only truth is being preached? Hilarious, especially in light of the above-posted scriptures that damn Bob Thiel! 

News Flash: Dave Pack: Health Issue Scare - Requests Prayers

 

News Flash August 30, 2025
David C. Pack’s Health Prayer Request

David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God admitted his health struggles to the brethren during “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 592)” on August 23, 2025. The 76-year-old Pastor General explained the issues with his heart and being exhausted by preaching, and requested prayers from the church.

This admission counters his previous statements when he boasted about how good his health was, and also exposes his comments over the years about why he sits at a table while preaching.

David C. Pack has a history of hiding his medical problems from the brethren. He verbally hid his struggles with tachycardia, even though the symptoms on his face during that time showed the truth.

At Headquarters, he was open about how he saw sickness as “weakness” and believed it was a result of a hidden sin. The medical issues of others were repulsive to him. He shamed employees for needing to take time off work to get better and even told an elderly woman suffering from the initial stages of Parkinson’s to hide her shaking hand while in his presence. “Mr. Pack gets mad when he sees my hand shake,” she told me.

When Dave contracted COVID-19 after mocking brethren in the Living Church of God for wearing face masks and not singing during the Feast of Tabernacles in 2019, Bradford Schleifer was compelled to mislead the church by saying, “Mr. and Mrs. Pack are fine,” to hide Headquarters’ embarrassing little secret. Weeks later, David C. Pack spun his illness as biblical and likened himself to Ezekiel being locked in his house so he could have time to refine his prophetic understanding.

Known to former Headquarters members and now documented in public, David C. Pack also said he “had no life” and “this is all I do.” Perhaps realizing he is a false prophet, false apostle, and false teacher is just around the corner. But do not count on it.

Marc Cebrian

exrcg.org

 

Dave Pack Threatens Young People Into Baptism

 

During "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 590)," on August 16, 2025, David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God applied pressure with threats to "young people" to get baptized before his new deadline for the arrival of the Kingdom to Israel on the Feast of Trumpets (Septemper 23, 2025). David C. Pack lacked the faith to believe God knew how to move His little ones toward baptism in a timely manner and took it upon himself to threaten the loss of eternal life if they did not act quickly. All credit to former member Marc Cebrian for this clip and description: exrcg.org

Is The Abomination Among Us?

 

Church of God propehcy addicts are a dime a dozen any more in COGland. Every day a new one seems to crawl out of the rotting carcass with new and absurd predictions.

Anyway, none of these guys can top our Great Anyway Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel, the biggest prophecy addict and record-setting failure, right after Dave Pack.

Anyway, imagine having to sit through fourteen plus hours with bouncing Bob on the screen in front you you, arms flailing, and his big fat bbile thrust in your face. Anyway, the licking flames of the lake of fire would be more merciful than having to listen to this for over fourteen hours.

The Great Bwana Bob writes:

Anyway, here is a list of links to the ten sermons in this series:

Daniel 1-3: Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream

Daniel 4-5: The Handwriting on the Wall

Daniel 6-8: Four Beasts and the King of the North

Daniel 9:    70 Years & 70 Weeks Prophecies

Daniel 10-11:32: Prophecies Fulfilled in History

Daniel 11:24-31: Events to Watch For

Daniel 11:32-38: Philadelphian Persecution and Witness

Daniel 11:39: Conquering of the USA, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, part I

Daniel 11:39: Conquering of the USA, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, part II

Daniel 11:40-12:13: End of Islam and the Beast, 1260, 1290, and 1335 days

I do not think we need to look very far for an abomination spreading falsehoods and deceiving the brethren when it lives among us, right now. 

Dave Pack: Liars Can Be Blessed, Just Ask Me...

 

Dave Pack: Therapy is Evil

It’s unsurprising that many leaders in Churches of God face mental health challenges when flawed logic is presented as truth. This stems from the teachings of Herbert Armstrong and other evangelists who, for decades, dismissed therapists and psychiatrists as tools of Satan. In their narrow worldview, only ordained ministers of the “one true church” were deemed qualified to counsel members.

Across the Worldwide Church of God and its splinter groups, perhaps only ten ordained ministers out of thousands over the decades have received legitimate counseling training. Most relied on gut feelings and personal biases when “counseling” members. Little genuine counseling occurred; instead, mental manipulation steered members toward paths the ministers deemed correct, often urging them to “let go and let God” fix their issues. 

This has led to a church leadership riddled with mental health issues. Leaders like Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, Bob Thiel, Alton Billingsley, Ron Weinland, and others exhibit traits of narcissism, borderline personality disorder, antisocial behavior, paranoia, schizophrenia, and substance abuse. Even the more “enlightened” Churches of God are not immune, showing little difference from the Packs, Thiels, and Flurrys of the movement.

Dave Pack and Restored Church of God: Nothing but financial, mental and emotional vampires that suck the life out of people

 

It is fascinating watching the complete meltdown of one of the more aberrant splinter cults of Armstrongism.

Life So Much Better After Leaving Restored Church of God:
July 20, 2025
I left the doomsday cult RCG over 4 years ago. My life is so much better than it ever was in that poisonous organization. Same as an article in your website, nothing was “FREE.” I figured after about 10 years of tithing (nowhere in NT church doctrine) and offerings, the “FREE” cost me also about $60,000. The ministers had the worst attitudes, not all, but enough of them. Such “lords of the Gentiles.” The selfish Christianity the cults practice is repulsive. No help to the people outside of their cult, some individuals do as I was aware of, but collectively, no. And they think they will rule the world? Tremendous arrogance! Nothing but financial, mental and emotional vampires that suck the life out of people to become a drone and a clone of the cult to continue its toxic existence. I am free and independent and life is incomparably better now! –Former RCG member

From Exit and Support Network  

Crackpot Prophet Does Not Like The Fact That "Christians-so-called" Mention Jesus In Their Hymns

 

In COGland, there's a stark contrast in how often Satan and Jesus are mentioned. Satan is portrayed as the all-powerful deity of the church, constantly referenced, while Jesus is rarely mentioned, typically only as "Jesus Christ." Using just "Jesus" is deemed too "Protestant" for these self-proclaimed true Christians. Moreover, Jesus is depicted as perpetually angry, eager to return and annihilate two-thirds of humanity. However, his return is continually postponed by speculative leaders who keep messing up the date, like Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, Ron Weinland, Bob Thiel, and Alton Billingsley. I can see why he is getting angry!

Jesus also frustrates Armstrongite legalists, who demand strict law-keeping and crave punishment for transgressors. These individuals, believing they perfectly uphold the law, aspire to become mini-gods to mete out divine justice. The graceful Jesus, who offers justification and sanctification, undermines their legalism, which they despise.

Even more offensive to these so-called Christians is singing about Jesus in hymns. Not the modern "Jesus is my boyfriend" worship songs, but classic 17th- and 18th-century hymns that convey the gospel message more effectively in a few verses than all COG leaders have since Armstrongism emerged in the 1930s.

No COG leader is more affronted by these hymns than the self-proclaimed Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel. He insists the only acceptable hymns are Dwight Armstrong’s metrical psalters, adaptations of Psalms often found in 17th- and 18th-century Bibles. Apparently, true Christians only sing these, finding lyrics about smashing heads or crushing enemies more fitting than a wretch overwhelmed by being saved by grace.

In the COG, it seems like a lot of people look at Dwight Armstrong's hymns as sacred, sitting on the shelf right next to the Bible,  Mystery of the Ages, and the Missing Dimension in Sex.

This has led out Great Bwana to lash out again about hymns and boasting about his church’s perfection in singing Dwight Armstrong’s compositions or Psalm-based metrical psalters. He’s still riled up over an article in The Journal: News of the Churches of God that criticized the church for not having hymns focused upon Jesus Christ and what he accomplished:

Bwana Bob writes:

While Roman Catholics and Protestants tended to sing songs that had religious messages, the old Worldwide Church of God (WCG) mainly sung hymns which were extracted from the Psalms in the Bible. Most of those of us in groups with ties to the old WCG still do. 

 

And we even have been criticized for that by who who used to sing them. The January 31, 2003, issue of old The Journal: News of the Churches of God, on page 22, contained a paid advertisement titled What Can We Learn From a Church Group’s Selection of Hymns? The ad glosses over certain key points that I would like to address.

After being critical of the Church of God practice to attempt to distance itself from the Protestant practice of having a significant portion of songs addressed to Jesus, the ad states:
 

Of the 114 special songs by Dwight Armstrong appearing in the 1974 Hymnal, how many do you think contain the name Christ or Jesus? Do you think most of them, say, about 100? Surely at least half, say 57? Would you be surprised to learn that of all 114 songs, not one contains the name of our Savior. 

 

There are two points glossed over here. The first is that in the entire Bible there are no songs/hymns/psalms that mention the name Jesus–thus I wonder if this ad intended that as a criticism of the Bible (it is clearly intended as a criticism of the Church of God practice of singing Bible-based songs). The second is that three of the songs Dwight Armstrong wrote, that are in the 1974 edition of The Bible Hymnal (otherwise referred to as the hymnal), do contain the term ‘Christ’ (see page numbers 54,120,121). Furthermore, terms such as “Lord” and specific teachings of Christ are included in many of the hymns. Additionally, the hymnal contained songs written by others that do mention the name Jesus. 

 

The ad asks:

How can a church be doing the work of God (according to John 6:29) if its very own 114 specially written hymns, hymns which are supposedly ‘more scriptural’ than the ones used by others, do not even contain the name Jesus Christ? 

He then writes this: pay particular attention to the first sentence:  

The author may wish to ask God why none of the psalmists, who wrote 150 psalms, were inspired to use the term ‘Jesus Christ’. Until that happens, I would suggest that the fact that ‘Jesus Christ’ is from Greek and the psalms were written in Hebrew would be one factor. Another fact is that the songs in the old WCG hymnal (which we in the Continuing Church of God sang from each week until getting a slightly updated/expanded replacement in late 2013) are more directly biblical than any hymnal from any non-Church of God group that I have ever seen. 

 

As usual, no one—absolutely NO ONE—on Earth is as perfect as the improperly named "Continuing" Church of God and its highly favored leader. There's not enough nonsense on the planet to match that level of absurdity he wrote above.

The Psalms were written over approximately 1,000 years, with the earliest possibly penned by Moses around 1400 BC and the latest composed after the Babylonian exile, around 450 BC. This period far predates Christ’s time. Jesus isn’t mentioned because He wasn’t on earth then. Apparently, Bwana Bob’s supposed education at Fuller and a diploma from a Trinitarian diploma mill in India failed to clarify this.

Here is more of his criticism of the article:

The ad asks the question:

What should be the focus and center of a Bible-led, Christian church?

The obvious answer is that the Bible, the word of God, should. So, let’s look at all the scriptures in the New Testament (NKJ) that use the term ‘sing’:

“And that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy, as it is written: For this reason I will confess to You among the Gentiles, And sing to Your name’ ” (Romans 15:9).

This is a quote from Paul based on II Samuel 22:50; note that Paul is stating that Gentiles are to sing to God–Jesus’ name is not mentioned.

“What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding” (I Corinthians 14:15).

Again no mention of Jesus. The latter half of this scripture is a quote from Psalm 47:7.

“Saying: ‘I will declare Your name to My brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You’ ” (Hebrews 2:12).

This is a quote from Paul of Psalm 22:22; it also does not mention Jesus’ name.

“Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing psalms” (James 5:13).

Psalms are what approximately 90% of the songs the 1974 WWCG hymnal are based on.

“They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying: ‘Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of the saints! Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy. For all nations shall come and worship before You, For Your judgments have been manifested’ ” (Revelation 15:3-4).

Note that the term ‘Jesus Christ’ is not mentioned in this particular song and the ‘song of Moses’ is believed to be from Exodus 15. Also, note that one song from D. Armstrong (on page 116 in the 1974 hymnal) is based on Exodus 15.

The Apostle Paul noted:

Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm (1 Corinthians 14:26).

Now who did Paul and Silas sing to? Acts 16:25 states,

  

“Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God.”

Colossians 3:16 does mention the term ‘Christ’ and singing in the same verse (and is the only place in the Bible where that occurs) as it states,

“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”

Note that this verse does not indicate that it is necessary to sing the term ‘Christ’.

Acts 13:33 is the only verse in the Bible that mentions the term ‘Jesus’ and ‘Psalm’–but they are two separate statements, neither of which suggest using the term ‘Jesus’ in any psalm.

There are also several other New Testament scriptures that mention songs, psalms, and/or hymns (Matthew 26:30; Mark 14:26; Luke 20:42;24:44; Acts 13:35; Ephesians 5:19; Revelation 5:9;14:3;15:3), but none of them mention the term ‘Jesus’ or ‘Christ’ or ‘Jesus Christ’ in any of them.

After complaining that none of the hymns in the 1974 edition contain the term ‘Jesus Christ’, the ad speculates:

Do we dare speculate? Could Herbert Armstrong’s WWCG have been doomed from the beginning?

The ad implies WWCG was doomed from the beginning because of its hymnal not using the term ‘Jesus Christ’ in any of the songs. The answer to that speculation is, no this did not doom WWCG. For if that speculation were true, then the Bible would also have been doomed from the beginning since it does not use the term ‘Jesus Christ’ in any song.

The ad concludes with:

Give the only name under heaven whereby we must be saved more focus in worship services by singing most, not necessarily all, of the hymns about our Rock and Savior, Jesus the Christ.

Then, in his typical sanctimonious self-serving glory, the Great Bwana writes:

The unnamed author of this ad is entitled to an opinion. But it is an opinion, and not a particularly biblically defensible one (perhaps it should be added that the term ‘Rock’ is applied to God or the Lord in the hymnal on pages 24,49,50,53,72,&117; and that “Lord” or “God” is used in almost every song). 

 

Everything Bwana Bob writes and preaches is merely opinion, and not particularly defensible ones. His so-called biblical education is grounded in Armstrongism, which doesn't make him an authority on anything biblical. 

Bwana Bob would do well to listen to some great church hymns; he would learn a lit that he never heard in Armstrongism or in his Indian diploma mill.

Happy Birthday HWA!!!!

 

It's a day late and a dollar short, but yesterday, July 31, 2025, marked what would have been Herbert W. Armstrong's 133rd birthday. Little did he know the chaos that would follow, as unscrupulous individuals tried to imitate him, leading to the formation of numerous splinter groups. No one could have foreseen the rise of such incredible buffoons and great liars as we see today in figures like Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, Bob Thiel, Alton Billingsley, and Ron Weinland.

Dave Pack: Jesus Now Returning On October 6, 2025

 

Just when you think the Church of Godland can't get any more absurd, along comes Dave Pack to remove all doubt! He now claims Jesus will return on October 6, during the Feast, asserting this date marks exactly 10 years of his prophetic nonsense. Even more baffling are the employees and church members who sit there listening to his claims and believing every word.
Dave's followers have been so exploited that they can no longer recognize deception. Their cognitive dissonance has overwhelmed them, leading them to rationalize all of Dave's inconsistencies to avoid discomfort. Their lives have already been upended by giving everything to the church, so the fear of questioning Dave risks isolating them from the group's identity. They are all in this together now, until the end. Thankfully, on rare occasions, a lightbulb moment occurs, and people wake up and leave, breaking free from the controlling group dynamics.
While we may view Dave as an isolated case, he mirrors figures like Bob Thiel, Ron Weinland, and Gerald Flurry. These leaders have mastered deception by manipulating information and trust, telling their small flocks they are special and called out. This enchants believers who struggle to find a place in the world, feeding their need to feel significant and distinct from the fallen society around them. They create an "us vs. them" narrative, positioning their group as uniquely enlightened or chosen, boosting members' self-esteem and loyalty. This exclusivity is reinforced through supposed doctrinal purity, Holy day and Sabbath keeping, special insider knowledge, and specific promises of salvation—such as becoming kings, priests, and rulers of worlds at Jesus' right hand. This makes followers feel superior to outsiders, the worldly heathens, and backsliding Laodiceans. By fulfilling this psychological need, these leaders maintain control as members grow dependent on the group for their identity and purpose.

So, when October 6 arrives and Jesus chooses a different date, Dave's followers will sit there like wind-up toy monkeys, clapping their hands in delight at the announcement of a new date.

Dave Pack: I Am NOT Setting A Date, But It Is Monday, Av 10. A Titanic All Consuming Date

 

LCG Lectures Members On Developing Humility, Servant Leadership

 

It’s striking that Doug Winnail speaks about power plays, jockeying for position, and chasing paychecks, yet urges members to cultivate humility and a servant’s heart. Shouldn’t this start at the top? Shouldn’t LCG and other COG leaders exemplify profound humility and servant leadership? Ideally, yes, but in Armstrongism, this has rarely been the case. Jealousy, power struggles, backstabbing, and a craving for prominence have long defined COG leadership. Look at figures like Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, Gerald Weston, Ron Weinland, Vic Kubik, and Gerald Flurry—they set a gold standard for hypocrisy in these traits, often rebelling against the very church government they claim to uphold, engaging in power plays and betrayal. This behavior traces back to Herbert Armstrong, the most egregious example in COG history.
Many church members, however, naturally embody humility and servant leadership. Sadly, these individuals often don’t last long, as jealous elders and fellow members undermine them.
Until COG leaders model integrity and true servant leadership with genuine humility, the church will stagnate, and its witness will fall on deaf ears.

What Motivates You? Many people are motivated by a desire for position, power, pleasure—or a paycheck. However, failure to achieve these goals can lead to frustration and problems—especially when individuals jostle for positions and seek to be noticed. This can happen in the workplace and even in our congregations. Jesus noted this tendency among the religious leaders of His day (Matthew 23:1–12), but He advised His disciples, “Whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant… the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve” (Matthew 20:25–28). Christians are advised to avoid self-seeking motives and focus on ways to serve others (1 Timothy 6:3–5; 1 Peter 5:1–4). Let’s strive to develop the attitudes of humility and service that Jesus exhibited so we can be instruments in His hands.
Have a profitable Sabbath,
Douglas S. Winnail

Dave Pack: Jesus Christ returns on Monday, August 4, 2025. I did not set this date, the material did.

 

A Case of the Mondays

Despite David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God recently announcing (kinda) that “no man knows the day or hour” and that he “could never offer you any other date,” he just cannot help himself. During “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 583)” on July 12, 2025, the Pastor General taught that the date that cannot tarry when the Kingdom of God arrives will be Av 10 in 2025.

The Kingdom of God
Arrives on Monday, Av 10
August 4, 2025

One of the deciding factors for why this particular day is more correct than the previous 131 dates is that it is a Monday. Yes, Mondays are again a big deal in The Restored Church of God. It cannot be a mere coincidence that Av 10 lands on a Monday this year, setting prophetic events into motion, revealing itself to be the day that cannot tarry.

Dave tried to make Av 10 work in 2022.

Dave tried to make Av 10 work in 2023.

Dave snuck out early to get appetizers at Chotchkie’s in 2024.

Dave is trying to make Av 10 work in 2025.

You know how the classic saying goes: “If at first you don’t succeed, keep repeating the same mistakes without accountability.”

Flashback Part 468 – September 9, 2023
@ 1:20:22 We just learned Av 10. So, how many years we gonna wait? …It would only be true in the first yearafter we learned it because that’s the only way we could receive it.

Dave considers people who quote him back his enemies. It is a good thing that Jesus Christ did not have that same philosophy.

David C. Pack is suffering from a biblical case of the Mondays despite how Mike Judge portrayed it.

David C. Pack is not a bungling idiot. He may be a documented hypocritical, blaspheming liar, false teacher, false apostle, and false prophet, but he is not stupid. After telling members that no man knows the day and hour for the return of Jesus Christ, his carnal mind found a way around that biblical inconvenience by denying he is doing precisely what he is doing.

David C. Pack is a kid with his hand in the cookie jar, looking you right in the eyes, telling you his hand is not in the cookie jar. Instead of just announcing Av 10 with the plain boldness, Dave plays mind games by gaslighting brethren to manufacture the illusion of plausible deniability.

Part 583 – July 12, 2025
@ 00:20 I didn't speak last week because I was on the verge of really putting together something that gelled through the week.

This quote is being publicly documented because I anticipate Dave admitting he did not speak due to an illness, and not his devotion to accurate Bible study. The day that admission comes, remember that I am just an unordained non-prophet/non-psychic.

@ 00:55 But each thing sits till the idea or plan fully gels. Now, a date's been percolating since May and really much longer…

Av 10 has been percolating since 2022.

@ 01:24 Now, I'm not setting a date. I'm presenting an immensely powerful pile of evidence for examination.

Dave is presenting a pile, all right.

The Pastor General claims he is not setting a date during the introduction to alleviate the brethren’s discomfort and to create a talking point for apologists when confronted by curious family members.

David C. Pack is now a biblical gooner, relegated to engaging in prophetic edging.

@ 01:24 Now, I'm not setting a date. I'm presenting an immensely powerful pile of evidence for examination. Think of it that way. Much stronger, much stronger than Tammuz 5 two weeks ago.

How do you quantify what is stronger than worthless? Less worthless is still worthless. Dave presents broken logic with a straight face and adds to it as if it were not laughable.

@ 01:55 Two weeks ago, I said endless possibilities and scenarios have existed for when the Kingdom would come. But eventually, out of the fog, smoke, mist, confusion, sound, fury, and noise for ten years, there must arise a day. One date that cannot tarry, that's simply unassailable from every angle.

Av 10 will shortly prove to be very assailable.

Dave dismantles his own point in 3…2…1…

@ 02:19 Now, I used that to set up Tammuz 5, which was a very strong possibility, and then told you, I I didn't think it was Tammuz 5. And since I haven't spoken since then, Tammuz 5 came 12 days ago, and it was not Tammuz 5. 

Dave has bizarrely convinced himself that his aborted Tammuz 5 teaching will somehow encourage brethren to buy his stronger malarkey about Av 10.

Dave claims victory in the face of failure in 3…2…1…

@ 22:31 And then I told you, I don't believe it's gonna happen. And it didn't. And I said that two weeks ago, and Tammuz 5 came 12 days ago. It didn't happen. All right. Fine. It didn't happen. It was a Tuesday. I I the case looked strong, but I knew something else was at play.

Presenting a strong case for something he did not believe and did not happen is not a flex he should be proud of. This is a screaming red flag ex cathedra that brethren continue ignoring.

@ 03:03 Many facts and bits of information exist, but they would not cohere. If I use that word. To present a day that would rise like this, you know, colossus and and and not delay. A simple in some ways, when I'm done with it, it'll be very simple. Final picture sort of emerged or reemerged, but with some slightly different timing, and also this time with more and clearer proof.

Abundance and clarity have never been the issue. Accuracy is what will forever escape him. Being true is a bar too high for David C. Pack to ever reach.

Remember how he started in light of what he said afterward and what he continues to say in Part 583. 

@ 01:24 Now, I'm not setting a date.

Really? To further his cowardice, Dave adopts a Pontius Pilate approach to wash himself of all prophetic responsibility.

@ 01:42 If a date is set, the material will do it. Not me.

Matthew 27:24
When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed hishands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see you to it.

If a date forms in the minds of the RCG brethren during Part 583, Dave is not at fault.

The WCG saying, "Don't believe me, believe your Bible," is now "Don't blame me, blame your Bible."

If any future disappointments or frustrations manifest due to the failure of Av 10, RCG brethren can now just blame the Bible. And Mondays.

Dave’s fixation on an 84-month Kingdom, the destruction of both Jerusalem temples on Av 10, and the significance of Mondays leads RCG brethren down a familiar path of random circumstances amounting to nothing.

@ 18:32 …I'm gonna divulge in not too long what I believe is the date we're waiting for.

Stop

David C. Pack has a terrible habit of undermining his own words by disproving and invalidating himself.

@ 01:42 If a date is set, the material will do it. Not me.

@ 18:32 …I'm gonna divulge in not too long what I believe is the date we're waiting for.

Well, which is it?

Whether it involves eagles, rainbows, prophetic fog, biblical COVID, or a land sabbath, David C. Pack hammers the importance of whatever he fancies in the moment. Brethren clinging to the hope that “Mr. Pack only has to be right once" must have gotten super excited because this will all go down on a Monday.

For the rest of eternity, having the case of the Mondays will be a good thing.

@ 27:40 Nothing compares to this date. And it is Monday. Sunday night, Monday, Av 10. It's Monday, Av 10. It is simply a titanic, all-consuming date in Jewish history and in Israel's history. We're going to learn a lot more about it. It's such a terrible date because two temples, two temples were actually destroyed on that date.

@ 33:46 And again, remember, Av 10 is a Monday. Monday is also going to be extremely important.

He caught a scorching case of the Mondays because he mentioned it 32 times during Part 583.

David C. Pack will never learn his lesson about coincidences, but insists on making them relevant.

@ 48:05 It's the second day. …and if you this is a coincidence, then so be it. It is the third day of August. That's a coincidence. Well, then it is.

@ 58:27 You can't tell us this day and not tell us which one you're talking about. Well, now, we can call it a coincidence. Remember, I'm just presenting facts. But it's tied directly this day, this day twice in this book, twice to Av 10. So what do I do with that? What do you do with it? Coincidence?

Do not be fooled. David C. Pack is not “just presenting facts.” He is teaching prophecy in a manner that leads the audience to share his conclusion. He is laying a foundation of plausible deniability, like he did with Tammuz 5.

If Tammuz 5 had popped biblically, Dave would be crowing through all eternity about how he figured it out, while explaining away his public denials.

@ 1:19:08 But my job here now is is to is to underscore this extraordinary date that is now emerging again and again.

@ 1:28:34 The initial captivity 25 years ago and the destruction of Jerusalem 14 years ago, 11 years apart with the 7th year in there also highlighting Av 10. They're all Av 10. Years are being counted as Av 10. It says “from the beginning of the head of the year.” Av 10 is considered a year by God.

@ 1:32:04 And we’re waiting for the center, the center of a year, the midst the midst of the year. What year’s in the middle of the summer? It's not in the middle of a coor–group of coordinates of months, as I thought a few weeks ago. It has to be Av 10. There is no other there is no other summer summer a a year that begins.

Before anyone else catches a case of the Mondays, remember what David C. Pack said to start his Av 10 proofs:

@ 01:24 Now, I'm not setting a date.

@ 01:42 If a date is set, the material will do it. Not me.

Before brethren of The Restored Church of God get all excited, they would do well to remember the Av 10 banner was waved over their heads back in 2023 when Dave said he would never move from it.

Flashback Part 460 – July 22, 2023
@ 1:25:54 So, Message 460, that beats 459, is the ration that tells RCG, the house, the day. Now, it took a long time to learn a plain date where I could never come to another one. I could never come to another one. You could never. There's no way. What would I say next week? “Sorry, you know, set aside Av 10. Just blow it off. It was a mistake. Let's just keep going.”

That is exactly what he did in 2023. Do not be fooled. He will do it again in 2025.

Av 10 begins on Sunday, August 3, at sunset.
Wadsworth Sunset: 8:40pm EST
Jerusalem Sunset: 7:33pm (12:33pm EST)

David C. Pack will abandon Av 10 soon and shift his focus to not setting another date by letting the material do it for him. The brethren of The Restored Church of God will not need to wait until August 4 to catch a case of the Mondays.

Marc Cebrian

See: A Case of the Mondays