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Saturday, October 25, 2025

Dave Pack News Flash: Jesus Now Returning On December 19, 2025


 

News Flash: Jesus Christ Returns December 19, 2025

Despite his waning health, David C. Pack continues to seek the prophetic golden pot at the end of his malarkey rainbow. During "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 601)" on October 11, 2025, the Pastor General of The Restored Church of God teased that he knew the date we had all been waiting for, even though the brethren were at the Feast of Tabernacles already disappointed that the Kingdom to Israel did not begin on October 6 as Dave previously taught.

Displaying inexplicable confidence during Part 602 on October 18, Dave admitted he was "all in" on the new date for the arrival of the Kingdom, which is now finally, definitely, and certainly at the moment of sunset in Jerusalem on Friday, December 19, 2025, which begins Kislev 30. This biblical fact is now inarguable and can never be defeated. Ahem.

This 7-minute video is a "David C. Pack's Greatest Hits" for foolish self-assurance, unwavering bravado, and a case study of the depths of human self-delusion.


For those who can no longer stand the sound of his voice or lack the patience to endure a 7-minute video at 1.5x speed, here are some doozy quotes that will surely not age well in the lead-up to December 19, 2025.

  • "The only way I could be dissuaded...is if God or Gabriel spoke from heaven with an oracle to tell me otherwise."
  • "It's the inevitable day we would learn which day can delay no further and be sure that we have it right."
  • "It's impossible, it's impossible, impossible, impossible that we're wrong."
  • "This is the day I and we have waited for."
  • "... there's no way it's wrong this time. [chuckles] No way."
  • "I'm gonna prove absolutely, unequivocally, it has to be this year."
  • "It's as unbreakable as a diamond... If anyone doubts Kislev 30 and December 19th, rouse yourself."
  • "...or God ended the book of Daniel teasing us."
  • "I couldn't possibly ever offer another date in their place. Could never be done. I'm absolutely all in on this date. Period. Our official position is that if all of that can be wrong, we can never know when either Kingdom arrives."
  • “Only an oracle from God or Gabriel or Christ could change my mind.”

It will take something far less than this to change his mind, such as a sneaking suspicion or when Dave is mildly uncomfortable.

Some of these quotes should sound familiar because David C. Pack has been repeating them since 2013. The brethren of The Restored Church of God should know better, but they willfully choose blindness because facing the truth about the human idol they worship is too horrific to face.

Pastor General David C. Pack is a blaspheming, hypocritical liar, a false teacher, a false apostle, and a false prophet. He will be the last person in the room to realize he will never be correct about the return of Jesus Christ because God is not motivating him to teach such things, and the Holy Spirit does not guide his thinking.

In the coming weeks, Dave will get "suspicious" and "uncomfortable" about Kislev 30 and pivot to some other date for other reasons. David C. Pack's 136th failure will not tarry. Wait for it because THAT will surely come.

Marc Cebrian

exrcg.org

 

Friday, October 24, 2025

Dave Pack: God Chose Me and Anointed Me

 

Bob Thiel has been absolutely devastated to learn that God has chosen and anointed Dave Pack.  Now we know that Bob isn't so special after all! 

That is the limit of what God has done with Dave. Who knew?

Tuesday, October 21, 2025

Dave Pack Insults His Few Remaining Ministers


During "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 593)" Given On September 5, 2025, David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God explains why he can't delegate some of his messages to his ministers. His "compliment" to his ministers very quickly turns into a brutal insult. He states his ministers don't contribute anything and can't because they are not chosen by God and therefore can't see what he sees in the Bible. He claims to be Elijah and states that only he can restore all things. What is the point of baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit as they teach if you can't read the Bible and see or understand Prophecy yourself?


 

Saturday, October 11, 2025

Dave Pack: I Am Spent!

 


David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God said that he was "spent" and could not keep his endless prophecy series going for another year. During "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 599)," on September 27, 2025, the Pastor General admitted he was physically exhausted and alluded to other health concerns. Even though he declared again that "the Series is over," Part 600 was delivered on October 7, 2025, after the Kingdom to Israel did NOT arrive on October 6 as he had taught. exrcg.org

Why did Jesus not return on October 6? Dave Pack continues batting 0% in prophecy accuracy

 


Remember this from 2 months ago? Oh, wait, of course you do—because in the grand, never-ending circus of Dave Pack's "prophetic" blunders, every failed prediction is just a timeless classic, replayed like your favorite sitcom rerun, but with zero laughs and all the embarrassment.

Who could have ever imagined that Dave Pack was going to be wrong again? I mean, with his flawless, god-like streak of prophetic perfection that's dazzled the world for... oh, wait, zero times ever? Utterly earth-shattering, paradigm-shifting shockwaves here, folks—hold onto your Bibles!

How many of his super-duper, ultra-gullible followers will sit there all through the Feast, wallowing in yet another soul-crushing disappointment that their all-knowing, never-failing guru has "oopsie-daisied" another whopper of a lie straight to their faces? Yet, none of them will ever summon the tiniest shred of so-called "faith" to abandon Dave's magnificent mountain of steaming, gold-plated nonsense and finally escape the clown car. Bless their eternally devoted, blindly adoring little souls—may they never wake up from this dream!

Self-appointed Church of God "prophets" are all batting a mind-bogglingly impressive 0% right now in prophetic accuracy. But hey, who's keeping score in this league of legendary losers? Certainly not these spiritual superstars, who wouldn't know a hit if it smacked them with a divine lightning bolt!

How many more times—nay, how many infinite, universe-spanning eternities—does this demonic shepherd need to cry wolf before his flock realizes the wolf isn't coming... because it's been Dave in a wolf costume all along, laughing maniacally in the mirror?

He has been widely criticized—oh, the horror, the injustice!—as a false prophet based on those annoyingly nitpicky biblical criteria and his absolutely legendary track record of unfulfilled predictions that could fill a library of epic fails. According to Deuteronomy 18:22, a prophet who speaks in God's name but whose words do not come to pass is considered false. Who knew the Good Book was so unforgivingly basic? Poor Dave, victim of such unreasonable standards! 

Pack's predictions often claim to be tied to Hebrew calendar dates, biblical feasts, or current events, but they consistently fail and get revised. Some specific instances include:

2020-2021: Predicted Joe Biden would "never serve a day in office" (December 26, 2020), and claimed Christ would enter RCG's building undetected (March 31, 2020). 
 
2022: Multiple dates like Tammuz 1, Av 10 (August 7), Elul 1, Tishrei 1 (September 23, Feast of Trumpets), and Cheshvan 1. 
 
2023: Dates such as Tevet 21 (January 14), March 6, April 1, May 5, June 18, July 1, September 29 (Feast of Tabernacles), and December 22. He declared doubting 2023 as the year was "practically a faithless attack on God’s word" (September 9, 2023). 
 
2024: Predictions for April 8/9 (Abib 1), June 16 (Pentecost), July 7 (Tammuz 1), October 3 (Tishrei 1, Feast of Trumpets), and December 16 (Kislev 16). 
 
2025: Dates like January 29 (Shevat 1), March 29 (Abib 1), June 1 (Pentecost), July 1 (Tammuz 5), and September 23 (Tishrei 1, Feast of Trumpets). As recently as July 19, 2025, his ongoing pattern of setting Monday deadlines that fail. 
 
Oh, sure, Pack has occasionally played the humble card by denying he's a prophet at all—like that gem on June 7, 2025, where he proclaimed, "I’ve never claimed to be a prophet," as if we all forgot his endless stream of "divine" proclamations. Or that hilarious vow back on April 27, 2019, swearing he'd never set another date again... right before he kept right on doing it, because why stop the fun when the failures are piling up so spectacularly? And when those oh-so-reliable prophecies inevitably flop like a lead balloon, he trots out the most creative excuses imaginable: God apparently lets errors slide just to "test faith," or the whole mess was a clever "ruse by God" to bamboozle the doubters. How convenient—blame the Almighty for your own epic blunders!

Dave, ever the modest soul, positions himself as the undisputed king of prophetic wisdom, humbly claiming titles like "Apostle" or the biblical "Elijah" who's single-handedly restoring all truth before Christ bothers to show up. Because, you know, no one else in history could possibly measure up to his genius. His sermons are chock-full of these modest highlights:"

I’ve studied prophecy, I know this, like no man who’s ever lived" (November 28, 2015)—wow, move over, Moses; Dave's got this covered! 
 
"There’s no way we’ve got this wrong" (March 15, 2023)—famous last words from the guy who's been wrong more times than a broken clock. 
 
Claims of personal immortality: "So, I know I don’t die. A couple places say that" (April 27, 2024)—immortal, you say? Must be why his predictions keep dying instead.

 "God, quite literally, could not tell us or He would make Himself a liar" (January 9, 2016), or casually describing God as willing to "slaughter babies and behead them" (October 12, 2023)—because nothing says "loving deity" like turning the divine into a horror movie villain to prop up your failing shtick.

In the end, isn't it just heartwarmingly inspiring how David C. Pack keeps the prophetic dream alive—one spectacular face-plant at a time? With a track record that could make even Nostradamus blush in envy (for all the wrong reasons), and excuses so divinely creative they'd make God Himself chuckle, Dave stands as the ultimate beacon of unwavering "faith" in the face of endless, hilarious failure. Here's to the next 82 botched predictions; after all, who needs accuracy when you've got an immortal ego and a flock too devoted to notice the wolf in shepherd's clothing? Keep shining, you false prophetic superstar—you're batting zero, but hey, at least you're consistent!

Tuesday, October 7, 2025

Walking Fraud Street: David C. Pack’s 10,000 Piece Puzzle of Nothing Beyond



Walking Fraud Street 
David C. Pack’s 10,000 Piece Puzzle of Nothing Beyond 

Around 1927, when a young-in-faith Herbert W. Armstrong discovered Matthew 24:14, he concluded that someone must fulfill that prophecy. Almost sixty years later, that same man was traveling the globe 300 days a year in a private jet, spreading a message of hope that would soon end all wars and strife, and the good news he brought was that there is a way to end poverty, disease, and starvation.

Until his death in January 1986, no one could accuse Herbert W. Armstrong of The Worldwide Church of God of not using “God’s money” to spread a Gospel of the Kingdom of God to a world some viewed as teetering on the edge of collapse.

In November of 2015, Pastor General David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God started his self-described authoritative defining of the Mystery of God and laid the foundation of the complete schematic of God’s plan for all mankind. Those of us attending RCG at that time could only ask ourselves two questions: Where is he going with this, and what will be the conclusion?

In the early days of “The Greatest Story Never Told!” David C. Pack framed his Series as a complicated 10,000-piece puzzle that only he could solve due to his unique background and special training. Apparently, his mother was a very talented puzzle solver, and young Dave quickly picked up the same skills. Becoming masterful at solving complex puzzles would make that person a cognitive genius. 

David C. Pack’s 10,000-piece puzzle presentation was supposed to have all the details of the gospel clearly defined. All the complicated pieces were to fit perfectly together, revealing the complete good news that had been hidden from mankind for ages. Once the world heard and understood this message, they would finally have the words of eternal life.

David C. Pack’s “Greatest Untold Story” was unlike any store-bought puzzle. Puzzles at the store have spectacular photos or artwork on the box, along with a piece count and size to give the potential buyer all the information they need to decide if they want to invest the effort into building that image. They know exactly what the conclusion will be. 

In The Restored Church of God, the Pastor General’s puzzle was a mystery confined behind many successive doors with an astonishing number of locks, all residing in vast darkness. The RCG members give complete allegiance of trust to their Pastor General and thus commit to paying in advance for an unseen, unsubstantiated, overhyped conclusion billed as beyond spectacular.

Through all the darkness, blindness, smoke, mirrors, and criticism over the past ten years, “The Greatest Story Never Told!” has been defended vigorously by David C. Pack as a message about the gospel of God comprising The “who”, the “what”, and “when” of God’s one, two, and three iterations of His Kingdoms. This is not a prophetic piece of work, though it contains many prophecies we have been told to believe.

If the now 10-year long series of “The Greatest Story Never Told!” has reached a conclusion and all the intricate mysteries of the final pieces of the gospel puzzle have been revealed, it is essential to understand how David C. Pack arrived at that conclusion, just as it is equally important for as many people as possible to hear that conclusion if it is true.

In 2009, David C. Pack invented the concept of “open doctrine.” “Open doctrine” is the first step to redefining “present truth.” After a present truth is established, it becomes “official church doctrine,” which demands strict adherence. For RCG members, this is a dead end with no escape. All three steps are melded together and are enacted in real-time all the time. There is no avenue for RCG members to get beyond this. 

Most biblical students would strongly question the gospel being subject to exegesis some two thousand years after reaching maturity in the first century, especially if it is done by a man who believes he is the sole source of biblical interpretation. For David C. Pack, each page of the Bible was waiting for him to excise its words and then piece back together a conclusion that is mind-blowing in its revelation.

David C. Pack has often vehemently framed this revelatory process as originating from the Holy Spirit. Despite the claims of divine origin, it has not been spiritually rosy in the RCG despite the spectacular gardens.

David C. Pack started his Series with approximately 2,500 members and is finishing it with about half that. Which means in his mind, half the virgins were foolish and impatient and went to taste all the world’s delights and have no oil in their lamps anymore. The remaining 1,250 members have slumbered and slept for the past 10 years in their most important guard: “Don’t believe me, believe your Bible.” The complexities of the conclusions that David C. Pack has taught have been a grievous burden upon the RCG membership. But they do know how to follow the feigned words of their slightly held idol, and they have paid handsomely for the privilege to not only know the “who” but the “what” some of the time. And to know the “when” all the time —cough cough—none of the time.

For the weary, longstanding RCG member, “The Greatest Untold Story!” has a conclusion that contains a reward for them. That reward is to stand before eight billion people as a god figure for seven years...maybe? To obtain that reward, the RCG member must check all the boxes in David C. Pack’s works of salvation.

One of those works is paying “Common.” If tithes and offerings are the basis for funding church operations and congregations, then “Common” is David C. Pack’s magnificently conceived, yet unbiblical method for extracting enormous amounts of money for mostly one specific purpose. If you ever wonder what the draw is to line up and cash out, check out just part of this highly polished RCG sales pitch contained in their article titled: COMMON—Paying One Portion of Christ’s Price.

Many millions of people (including wealthy philanthropists) collectively give vast billions of dollars to charitable organizations in an attempt to fix this world. Governments and international organizations invest additional billions to eradicate hunger, poverty, disease, and war. Yet all their efforts ultimately fail. No amount of human ingenuity can solve mankind’s problems.

You can participate in giving the most wonderful gift this world could possibly receive. By supporting the Work of preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of God and all other Bible truths in all nations (Matthew 28:19-20), you are helping to bring a message of hope to a world groping about in spiritual darkness (Isaiah 59:9-10)—the sure hope of a better world soon to come, to be established under the reign of Jesus Christ.

What greater calling could there be?

The Work has distributed scores of millions of pieces of literature during the past several years, and many millions of people have visited the Church’s websites. But consider: Earth’s population is beyond 7.6 billion human beings. Think of those who live in your city, town, village, or even your neighborhood—have they heard the true gospel? What about your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, and acquaintances—have they listened to this greatest of news? Realize there is tremendous work to be done. Truly, we (following Jesus’ example) must be about our Father’s business!

Many live unhappy, unfulfilled lives. Some seek answers to their problems and life’s greatest questions. Knowing we can participate in bringing them precious knowledge should excite us to no end, motivating us to do everything we can.

As David C. Pack explained to the Church, Christ’s price involves three elements that Jesus plainly laid out. These are listed in Luke 14 in the context of “counting the cost” of Christianity:

(1) Loving Christ more than anyone, including our own lives: “If any man come to Me, and hate [Greek: love less by comparison] not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple” (vs. 26).

(2) Bearing the burdens/crosses that we face in life: “Whosoever does not bear his cross, and come after Me, cannot be My disciple” (vs. 27).

(3) Giving our assets to support preaching the gospel. “So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsakes not all that he has, he cannot be My disciple” (vs. 33).

You would think that after reading that, you would conclude that the RCG is perfectly in line with what its predecessor did. In the Worldwide Church of God, Herbert W. Armstrong repeatedly reminded the lay membership that the ONLY REASON they were called was to support the work and commission of preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as a witness unto the world. The difference between the WCG and RCG is that David C. Pack moved past just tithes and offerings supporting the work of God.

“Common” is how a little church does “big things,” according to David C. Pack. Christ has a price, and that is selling all that you have and then giving it to David C. Pack, who then gives “the most wonderful gift this world could possibly receive.” That is the splendid picture we are expected to believe. No one could possibly accuse the RCG of not using “God’s Money” to spread a gospel message of hope throughout the world, right?

David C. Pack has allegedly concluded the 10-year-old series, stating that he absolutely knows God’s plan and the unfolding timeline of the Mystery of God. He has repeatedly claimed God has shown him from the scriptures the date everyone is waiting for. As of October 2025, there have been 135 dates.

David C. Pack has said that Jesus Christ has sworn by God and all things made in heaven and earth that there is time no longer after he finishes making the Mystery of God clear. This is absolute earth-shattering news for a world ready to be harvested and saved from unprecedented evils. Is the Restored Church of God now prepared to take its extraordinary, precious message and wonderful gift unto the world?

Even after escaping corporate debt by selling off residential properties to his members, it has become painfully evident that there is only one truthful answer: NO!

With Restored Church of God mouthpiece extraordinaire Edward L. Winkfield completely contradicting his boss David C. Pack and God himself with his statements to a reporter late this Spring which has all the makings of “legal” postering, Mr. Winkfield emphatically declared that “this (extraordinary date) is (unequivocally) not something the Restored Church of God teaches or that Mr. Pack is claiming.” He continued, “The Restored Church of God is a group which remains hopeful... more than anything definitive, maybe you could go as far as speculating different things, but I wouldn’t take it as anything beyond that.”

Figuratively taking “it” as anything beyond that is precisely what David C. Pack came to conclude. Although the conclusion of David C. Pack’s 10-year, 10,000-piece puzzle constituted a convergence of a “date that cannot tarry” and a “man that would know and reveal that date,” the Pastor General could see no way forward to carry that message anywhere beyond the closed doors of the Restored Church of God. David C. Pack’s prophetic vision of a “thief,” “time no longer,” and a future “marvelous work and wonder” is a three-wheel brake to a prophetic mouth that has not stopped for a decade. David C. Pack’s antipathy to carrying the gospel message beyond anything or anywhere was summed up recently in this statement to the church: it “would fight prophecy” to go against God’s will to try and spread a message of ultimate truth and to grow the Church of the Living Christ. This is the same man who has concluded that setting over 135 false prophetic dates IN GOD’S NAME is not going against God’s will or fighting prophecy.

With Dave Pack singing the Guess Who’s hit song “No Time” as his new excuse, the “who,” the “what,” and “when,” of the gospel sit only as a trophy on a mantle constituting 10 years of answering nothing except for the fact that it is beyond our imagination that one man could so grossly foul up the divinity of Jesus Christ, His true gospel message and the “day and hour” that no man knows.

Comparing the work of David C. Pack to the work of Jesus Christ is a mind-bending exercise. The work of Jesus Christ in the first century AD was an unstoppable juggernaut. Revealing the Father, showing the Kingdom of God, and ushering in salvation had everything and anything any person would ever need or want to see, and all of it was done in the public eye. Filtering David C. Pack through Jesus Christ never paints a pretty picture.

ExRCG.org does this non declaratively and proves that David C. Pack is a blaspheming anti-Christ, false prophet, and false apostle. The contrast is clear: David C. Pack being against Jesus Christ is not an opinion. It has become fact.

If the conclusion of “The Greatest Untold Story!” is the most precious thing the world would ever see or hear and has at its core the complete plan of God—the gospel message of the Kingdom of God, why does David C. Pack want to hide it from the world? Is this not the treasure and “talent” of God that David C. Pack wants to go and dig in the earth and bury in a field (Matthew 25:14-18)? Speaking of treasure, or that other treasure—God’s Money, why is it that recently, on the very precipice of a predicted arrival of the Kingdom of God, did David C. Pack reveal that his longstanding prayer was for the church to be out of debt? No mention of a longstanding prayer for an open door to the world for God’s treasure to be revealed? No simple, longstanding prayer of thy Kingdom come, thy will be done? Instead, he has been bragging about asset conversion and “booming” financial wealth, both of which were initiated and executed in the “last days” in a dark back room and involved putting widows into debt would certainly conflict with John 5:29: “I am the light of the world, whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” Burying the gospel (the light of life) from the public and doing scurrilous real estate deals in the face and advent of Jesus Christ is walking in darkness.

The Church has always taught that the start of Christ’s ministry was when He spoke these words: “The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye and believe the Gospel.” According to David C. Pack, the Opening Night of the Feast of Tabernacles on October 6, 2025, will end the almost two thousand years’ wait for the Kingdom of God to arrive. The Kingdom may be at hand, but hardly a soul has repented because they can’t believe what they haven’t heard—at least from the Restored Church of God.

Jesus Christ said in Matthew 9:37-38: “The harvest is plentiful—pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest that He will send forth laborers into His harvest.” David C. Pack wants you to save your prayers for a future time; his immediate prayer is for a “harvest” of debt relief and financial growth.

Jesus observed in Luke 16:16 that from John the Baptist until the present time, the Kingdom of God is preached, and every man presses into it. David C. Pack has chosen not to preach the truth of the Kingdom of God, leaving the world ever more pressing into the Devil’s world.

In John 17:2-3, it says: “And this is eternal life, that they may know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” David C. Pack has defined and re-defined God and Jesus Christ during the whole ten-year series of messages of The Greatest Untold Story. The world will never hear the true God and Jesus Christ from Dave Pack, because that truth is lost and buried in the thinking of David C. Pack’s mind.

“As thou hast sent me unto the world, even so have I sent them unto the world (John 17:18). I spoke openly to the world (John 18:20) .... for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.” What a beautiful concluding message from Jesus Christ concerning His public ministry and those He trained. David C. Pack came into the world to piece together the most confounding puzzle known to mankind and then kept within his organization the revelation of it, biding his time in a gated community of yes men who eat and drink at a table of lies. Is that the “truth” the world needs to hear?

The Restored Church of God is a real estate organization doing business in God’s name. It is led by a faithless man using false pretenses and coercion to alter people’s lives. It operates as a temple money changer—exchanging “all” for practically nothing in return. “God’s Money” has been squandered down a giant 10-year-long rat hole. The treasure of God’s true Gospel message is purposely hidden in the depths of Hades, just as David C. Pack has hidden the savior of the world as a silent 5’6” olive-skinned Middle Eastern man in the back dark room of the Temple of God. David C. Pack’s message of strong financial standing is now front and center, while the name of God and Jesus Christ and their extraordinary Gospel message are purposely hidden from the world.

The poor RCG membership never could fully understand the complexity of David C. Pack’s message. They were always buried in papers, timelines, metrics, days, weeks, months, full moons, moeds, rushing, running, absolutes, impossibilities, inarguable suppositions, all while under pressure to pay for their very lives.

God’s will is not being done in the RCG, and Jesus Christ is aghast at the conduct of its leader. The real thief breaking up people’s houses has been exposed. The confounding non-action of one part of the conclusion of “The Greatest Non-Story Ever Told!” is just as concerning as what was revealed in most of the rest of the Series.

A Series that became a bait and switch sham show that always interchanged one error for another error to come to some new and improved assumed truth. A Series that included a scheme to manipulate and coerce the RCG membership into paying “God’s money” for a purpose that David C. Pack either doesn’t or poorly and passively executes. The only real conclusion of “The Greatest Untold Story!” is that David C. Pack stands alone above and apart from all of God, the RCG membership, and the world. David C. Pack enlightened and enlivened himself as the only person indispensable in the Bible and the mediator of 8 billion people’s path to salvation. He satisfied all the desires of his soul by in part shaking sown widows to resolve his longstanding prayer. He rode the real estate market up and cashed out to make himself strong financially. He successfully baited his membership into funding a lifestyle that he himself forbids them to have. He operates with no patience and is faithless in all his actions, while always demanding both from his membership. He embraces hypocrisy like it is a requirement to run and lead a church organization, yet his membership would never come close to such conduct.

In the end, David C. Pack’s 10-year 10,000-piece puzzle was nothing but a self-promotion exercise. The world received nothing. The RCG membership paid an excessive price to have all their expectations continually crushed. There are 10,000 proofs, 10,000 examples, and 10,000 reasons why David C. Pack failed to discern and deliver the most critical piece of the puzzle. Unfortunately, there are far too many men and women lost in the confines of the other 9999 pieces of the puzzle to even know or care.

The now conclusion of the decade-long “The Greatest Untold Story!” gave us the final picture and evidence that each of David C. Pack’s three revealed mysteries of the gospel and the implied fulfillments of each, present a vast gulf between what was stated and what was realized. The potential for David C. Pack’s 10,000-piece puzzle to be one big giant fraud is real. David C. Pack concluded that the “who” at the very end almost entirely revolved around himself. The “what” was a multi-million-dollar financial exchange for a promissory action that, at the end, was deemed undeliverable! The “when” has been framed as unassailable 135 times, but technically and legally, it was always just “hopeful speculation.” If it looks like fraud and it sounds like fraud and it walks like fraud—it is fraud!

Scott Steel/former RCG member





Saturday, October 4, 2025

Crackpot Prophet: Modern Day Zerubbabel And One Of The Two Witless Witnesses?



As Armstrongism spirals ever more comically down the drain, flushing away into irrelevance like yesterday's bad prophecy, it hasn't deterred our beloved cadre of resident loons from spewing absurd and outlandish statements that could make a carnival barker blush. The wilder and more unhinged they get, the more they puff up their chests, convinced they're the sole divine mouthpieces on this spinning rock—because, obviously, God couldn't possibly have better options.

Tragically—or hilariously, depending on your tolerance for farce—the church has been a magnet for a nonstop parade of raving lunatics over the decades, from the sign-waving protesters and picketers turning WCG headquarters into a sideshow, to those self-anointed messiahs (mostly men, with a sprinkling of women for diversity) who fancy themselves God's exclusive spokesmodels. That's precisely how the likes of Ron Weinland, Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, and the inimitable Bob Thiel bootstrapped their pint-sized personality cults. The more batshit bonkers their proclamations, the more they lured in that tiny flock of lost souls wandering the wilderness of confusion. These poor folks had their identities yanked out from under them in the so-called Great Apostasy, desperately grasping for any crumb of "truth" to nibble on—and lo, these charismatic crackpots whispered (or shouted) exactly the right mix of delusion to hook 'em.

The more prophetic gibberish and doomsday drivel they barf out, the tighter it grips those identity-starved wanderers like a cheap thriller novel.

This obsession with end-times claptrap manufactures a faux urgency and purpose, perfect for reeling in the perpetually panicked about world events—because nothing says "spiritual enlightenment" like doom-scrolling the apocalypse. Weinland's apocalyptic rants about impending catastrophe followed by a shiny "better world" (any day now, folks!) paint his outfit as the ultimate survival raft in a sea of sinners. Flurry and his ilk shoehorn today's headlines into biblical fanfic through rags like The Trumpet magazine, turning every geopolitical hiccup into "proof" of prophecy. It's a masterclass in exploiting fears of Big Bad Persecution or societal meltdown, all while the leaders wield it like a remote control to dictate behavior and hoard power. On the psychological front, devotees often succumb to "abdication syndrome," gleefully outsourcing their life choices to the guru for that warm, fuzzy blanket of false security. And why question the flops? The cult playbook conveniently labels any dissent as satanic sabotage or holy persecution—genius, really, if you're into self-preserving scams.

And then there's Bob Thiel, the undisputed king of self-aggrandizing cosplay, who's appointed himself to more biblical roles than there are pages in the Good Book itself—yet somehow, the humility deficit never slows him down. Today, he's channeling the Two Witnesses, because why not add apocalyptic tag-team partners to his resume? Shocking precisely no one, we all know where this ego parade is headed: straight into another round of prophetic face-plants, with Thiel emerging unscathed in his own mind, ready to claim the next divine title on the clearance rack.

After whining incessantly about an article from Gerald Flurry about the identity of the Two Witnesses, and how, since Herbert Armstrong had died, he was not the end-time Zerubbabel or one of the two witnesses, celestial Bob has this to say:

Since Herbert Armstrong died, he obviously was not one of the two witnesses, and his reference to those two identified in Haggai and Zechariah is a reference to an end time Zerubbabel and Joshua. Thus, based upon his own writings, Herbert Armstrong was not Zerubbabel. But he pointed to someone from the 20th century who would be:

Hum, I wonder who THAT could be?????  The rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper:

Since Christ is the foundation, the chief cornerstone (Matthew 21:43; Ephesians 2:20) of the Christian temple (1 Corinthians 3:16), some have suggested that “Zerubbabel” may have been a type of Christ–especially since Jesus is specifically prophesied to return (Revelation 17:14) and destroy the kingdom of the Gentiles (Revelation 11:15; Haggai 2:21-23). 
 
Yet, since “Zerubbabel” saw the original temple and is not recorded as laying its foundation (and really, he could not have as he had not been born then), then it appears that perhaps “Zerubbabel” would seem to be some individual who is prophesied to rise up in the last days–and that is what Herbert Armstrong believed scripture required. If so, he would have likely been someone who saw the old Ambassador Auditorium and WCG work, and perhaps helped lay the foundation for the final phase of the Philadelphia work.  Zerubbabel would not be a ‘newcomer’ as some suggested that both of the two witnesses might be.

And, deeper downit goes:

As far as names go, Zerubbabel means descendant of, or born of, Babylon (OT:2216; Zerubbabel. Biblesoft’s New Exhaustive Strong’s Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary) or “stranger at Babylon.” Thus, it could be that the prophesied Zerubbabel may have been born into a family that was part of the religion that will support the final Mystery Babylon of Revelation 17:5 (like one based out of the city of seven hills–Revelation 17:18). Because of the meaning of the name ‘Zerubbabel,’ it would seem that it is not a direct reference to Jesus, as some have suggested, since He was not born of Babylon and His human parents were not Babylonians. 

Notice the problem with that other personage of the two witnesses...he was too stupid to support the Continuing Church of God in the past, and that God had to "push him" to acknowledge the way and the truth that only exists in the CCOG.

Joshua, Yehowshu`a, seems to mean “Jehovah saves” (Ibid, OT: 3091). This Joshua’s father’s name was Josedech (Haggai 1:12), meaning “Jehovah-righted” (OT:3087 ). Perhaps his father was called out of religious Babylon to be a true Church of God Christian? Anyway, since Zechariah 3:3-5 shows that for a time Joshua wears “filthy garments,” it may be that he affiliated too long with Laodiceans, who need to put on “white garments” (Revelation 3:14-18)–hence maybe that means it took him time before he completely would support the Continuing Church of God and that God (Jehovah/Yahweh) had to push him to the right way. 
 
Perhaps the names Zerubbabel and Joshua indicate that one of the witnesses was born into a Roman Catholic family (and later was called and converted to be part of the Church of God) while the other was born into a Church of God family and remained part of the Church of God. Since Joshua was a high priest, he would have had to be born in a family keeping the biblical faith.

Zerubbabel ends with this:

So who are the two witnesses? 
 
1. The two witnesses are humans that God will give special power to. 
 
2. They are true prophets of God. 
 
3. They provide testimony of the truth about God and the return of Jesus Christ to the earth. 
 
4. Just like John the Baptist was really not Elijah, but came in the Spirit and Power of Elijah, so the two witnesses may come in the Spirit and Power of Moses and Elijah. 
 
5. They may be a type of Zerubbabel and Joshua, and these men may have been born into Roman Catholic and Church of God families respectively. 
 
6. They will have been in the true, and apparently most faithful, continuations of the Church of God. 
 
7. They will hold Church of God doctrines like the Sabbath, the Godhead, the return of Jesus and the millennium, the history of the true church, etc.
 
8. Contrary to the claims of some, God has not yet clearly revealed their identities to the general public. 
 
9. Those who support the semi-Catholic beast power (he will claim to be ‘Catholic,’ but will ultimately betray the Church of Rome) will apparently think that the two witnesses are false prophets, with one of them considered to be the false prophet of the Book of Revelation. 
 
10. The two witnesses will apparently wear some black (clothing or something else) and/or sackcloth. According to certain Greco-Roman Catholic prophecies, one who is “black” (opposed to their church) and looks like a Jew (apparently meaning having original Church of God practices) will be one of the two that cause that church problems at the end. 
 
11. The two witnesses are two who will accomplish the mission that God gives them. 
 
12. The two witnesses will keep and teach the Ten Commandments, whereas false prophets and the coming Beast of the sea will actually violate them all. 
 
Jesus warned that false prophets will arise and do miracles. Those who are waiting for Enoch and Elijah to literally come from Paradise to the earth, before they will accept God’s true witnesses, are deceiving themselves. The vast majority of human beings will be deceived (Matthew 24:24; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12). But you do not have to be. 
 
The two witnesses will be killed and there are non-biblical prophecies that others may rely on to support killing them. 
 
The two witnesses are most likely alive now, and God will raise them up probably in the relatively near future. The two witnesses will more successfully proclaim the gospel of the kingdom of God. 
 
Those who do not wish to be deceived need to repent and believe the gospel now, as later it may be too late.

I can state, beyond a shadow of doubt, that Bob Thiel is NOT a modern-day Zerubbabel or that he will be one of the two witnesses, or that he is even a true Church of God leader.

We all know where this is ultimately headed:

...straight into another round of prophetic face-plants, with Thiel emerging unscathed in his own mind, ready to claim the next divine title on the clearance rack.