UCG's John Elliott: Do not fall for the trickery of leaders who seek a following due to church governance, church eras and other unique teachings

 

Beware of false prophets [teachers], who come to you in sheep’s clothing [profess sound doctrine], but inwardly they are ravenous wolves [they will cost you your life]. You will know them by their fruits [the resulting mindset] (Matthew 7:15-16)

...remain vigilant and never fall for the bait of carnally promoting individuals 

seeking a personal following with their own special twist. 

Christianity is about Christ! It is not about temporary human servants. 

Nor is it about a special corporation.

Jesus never warned that we should be in some specific church era, 

or be in a church with a special leader, 

or have a specific form of governance, 

or a certain corporate name, 

or a special hidden doctrine. 

I implore you to find even a hint of such instruction in anything Jesus ever said! 

He warns that trickery will abound 

and mortal danger will lurk in the most unlikely places.

John Elliott, President of the United Church of God (UCG), published a letter on December 11 about not allowing yourself to be swayed by wolves in sheep's clothing who seek to lead members astray. 

Is this a swipe at the craftily spoken words of Bob Thiel, Ron Weinland, Dave Pack, and Gerald Flurry?

For some in the Church of God (COG) groups, these men present their "truths" as divinely inspired by God and can too easily sway less-grounded members in their beliefs. 

Elliott writes:

 

Greetings fellow ministers and brethren, 

 

How seriously do you consider your place in the Body of Christ? Am I wholeheartedly a part of the Body of Christ? Jesus Himself implores us to make factual assessments about our spiritual condition in His letters to the seven churches (Revelation 2-3). 

 

He also warns us not to get swayed by influential people who promote mindsets contrary to His truth. “Beware of false prophets [teachers], who come to you in sheep’s clothing [profess sound doctrine], but inwardly they are ravenous wolves [they will cost you your life]. You will know them by their fruits [the resulting mindset]” (Matthew 7:15-16). 

 

Compare everything you hear from anyone with what God’s word instructs you. Be alert for slick manipulation using human logic that garners sympathy for the unfairly treated, complains about personal injustices, spouts accusations against brethren, while diverting us away from following Jesus Christ and His appointed authorities. Such are the tactics of wolves (Jude 8, 11-12). Such prideful minds are in stark contrast to Jesus’ admonitions for self-abasement, humility, service, sacrifice, honoring others, pursuing peace, unity and love.

Elliott claims he is not zeroing in on any specific individual, but Weinland, Thiel, Pack, and Flurry all feel those outside their groups are borderline apostates, and that is their job to lead people back into the truth (that they exclusively have) so that they can achieve salvation. 

I am not pointing fingers at any individual, rather I'm emphasising the biblical principles necessary for us to be responsible with our opportunity for salvation. Paul stated of our time, “But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus” (2 Timothy 3:13-15).

God constantly observes and monitors each of us in hopes of bringing us into His Kingdom. “The LORD is in His holy temple, the LORD’s throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men. The LORD tests the righteous, but the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates” (Psalm 11:4-5). 

 

God does not support those who do “violence” to the brethren by spreading lies and rumors. “These six things the LORD hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him: A proud look, a lying tongue…a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren” (Proverbs 6:16-19). He also says, “I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings” (Jeremiah 17:10). 

 

We all need to humble ourselves, repent of our own sins and mistakes and seek God’s forgiveness, as we forgive others. May God help us all to love Him above all else and to love each other more than we love ourselves. 

 

I encourage you to remain vigilant and never fall for the bait of carnally promoting individuals seeking a personal following with their own special twist. Christianity is about Christ! It is not about temporary human servants. Nor is it about a special corporation. In all situations we are to follow Christ and be of His Body. 

 

In John 12:26 we read: “If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor.” Christ’s shepherds only follow Christ and encourage others to only follow Him! Only then can any human be an asset to another’s salvation. 

 

Jesus never warned that we should be in some specific church era, or be in a church with a special leader, or have a specific form of governance, or a certain corporate name, or a special hidden doctrine. I implore you to find even a hint of such instruction in anything Jesus ever said! He warns that trickery will abound and mortal danger will lurk in the most unlikely places. 

 

Notice the context of Christ’s statement to us about the challenges of the pathway to His Kingdom: “Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits” (Matthew 7:14-16). 

 

The stakes are high for every member. Each of us are responsible to be alert, discern God’s will, and recognize those faithfully upholding God's word. 

 

As you enjoy the Sabbath and are refreshed by it, take time to consider the seriousness of your calling. Meditate on what you truly stand for. Define the fruit you are trying to grow in your life. Then, let these words guide you on your path: 

 

“Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain” (Philippians 2:12-16). 

 

May God bless you along with all His faithful children, as we humble ourselves and submit to His will. And may we deeply love loving Him, and love one another sincerely, 

 

John Elliott, President

It does a great disservice to church members if church leaders do not take a stand and call out the various crackpot COG leaders and their borderline heretical teachings. A true leader will label these teachers as the wolves in sheep's clothing that they warn about. 

I have heard some in UCG, LCG, and other groups stating that they do not call these false leaders out because they are "brothers in Christ, but with different interpretations". They are NOT your "brother in Christ"! If you know these guys are wrong, then it behooves you as a leader to all them out for their false teachings.

Hatip to Feastgoer for the heads up.

"...the importance of being a members of continuing church of God and proof that Dr Bob is chosen at this age"

Behold! The majestic Great Bwana Doctor Robert Thiel, the self-anointed end-time leader of the Continuing Church of God in Africa (because, let’s be honest, those pesky Caucasians just weren’t gullible enough to fall for his shtick anymore). The Bwana has graciously published three glowing fan letters from his two most “faithful” African evangelists. And the first thing you’ll notice in about 0.2 seconds is that these so-called evangelists are evangelists for Bwana Bob™ and his glorious personality cult, not for that obscure fellow named Jesus Christ, who—shocker—doesn’t get a single mention. Not one. It’s almost as if the Son of God is just an inconvenient background character in the Bob Thiel Cinematic Universe.

But why stop there? Isn’t it just precious how all four of our most delightfully aberrant Church of God splinter führers—Ron Weinland, Gerald Flurry, David C. Pack, and of course, our own Bwana Doctor Bob—have unanimously decided that the gospel is just too boring? No, no, the real good news is them: their magnificence, their exclusive God-ordained prophet-apostle-elijah-witness-whatever title of the week. Never in the history of Armstrongism have we been blessed with so many desperate, theologically bankrupt little men frantically trying to devour the carcass of Herbert Armstrong’s movement from the inside like starving hyenas in tailored suits.

All four of these titans of ego place their number-one priority on proving how staggeringly right they are and how God personally Zoom-called them to do whatever narcissistic nonsense they’re doing this month. Jesus? Oh, He gets the occasional drive-by mention—one or two of them toss His name around like a stale matzo at Passover so they can still pretend to be Christian for five seconds. But deep, profound teaching on the significance of Christ, the resurrection, and what it actually accomplished? Please. That would require taking the spotlight off themselves for more than thirty seconds, and we can’t have that.

It positively infuriates them that Jesus came to shatter the chains of legalism and the filthy rags of works-righteousness that COG leaders have used to keep their members in bondage for nearly a century. How dare the Messiah ruin their little control-freak empire! The nerve of that Guy.

The Great Bwana Doctor Bob has these comments from his evangelists:

Greetings from Malawi.
It’s of a great pleasure to inform that my meeting with the leaders in Malawi meant a lot to both Malawi and Mozambique. We discussed a lot about leadership, congregants, the importance of being a members of continuing church of God and a proof that Dr Bob is chosen at this age in leading church of God. I also teach a lot why we are in continuing church of God. What the Bible says about who is to lead now and what kind of work is he suppose to do.
We also discussed much about the kingdom of God. Ordained feasts, the true repentance and what massage continuing church of God is delivering.
The brethren were shocked and spoken a lot when they confirmed that biblically, continuing church of God is in front to fulfill Mathew 28:19.

Lastly I asked so many questions why they are in continuing church of God.
They gave many reasons why they are in continuing church of God and why they are sealed in the truth. 

Evans Ochieng

Another letter: 

We kept sabbath in chikwawa where I met many people. The service was wonderful. I tried to encourage people to know the reason why they are in continuing church of God. And why continuing church of God is very important in their lives and I delivered to them the massage that God’s church is carrying to this age. I also explained to them why it’s only important to be sealed in the truth. 

 

Many people are walking blindly not knowing why church of God is there and who is in control. People must know why Moses was chosen, why Joshua was chosen after Moses and why Armstrong was chosen. And who is chosen now.

Why gospel must be preached and to who. Reasons for repentance and reconciliation. The importance of congregants. The conformity of God.

The race in the book of revelation.

And where are we in the prophecy.

Evans Ochieng

And another: 

Greetings,yesterday Evans was at Mogowi church the one am leading, he preached very powerful teachings than ever had before and his teachings was like the world was ending yesterday,brethren enjoyed his teachings and we are much blessed with his coming,none of us will forget his teachings and some brethren told me that they even dream at night his teachings which means the Lord God a sure his people that the teachings was full with the truth,he also told the young ones to prepare the youth camp meeting with will start on 23 December to 28 December 2025, we are praying for it.

Sosten Libungwa 

 

It’s positively heart-wrenching to realize that the brethren shuffling into these splinter shrines are mostly sincere, lovely folks who just want to follow Jesus the best their hearts know how. And there they are, dutifully sitting in pews while their “ministers” bloviate for hours about how Bwana Bob (or Dave, Gerry, or Ron, depending on the group) is the only human on Earth God trusts with the real truth™. These precious sheep are being spiritually muzzled, guilt-tripped, and financially milked by leaders who are evangelists for Bob/Dave/Gerry/Ron and their magnificent prophetic resumes, not for that irrelevant carpenter from Nazareth who apparently doesn’t rate a single sermon anymore. Truly, the compassion these leaders show is so thick you could spread it on matzos and still have enough left over to choke on.

How noble. How Christ-like. How utterly nauseating.

Dave Pack: HWA Did NOT Understand Anything! Only I Understand All Truth

 

23 Things Herbert W. Armstrong Got Wrong

Pastor General David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God (RCG) 

paid homage to his "father in the gospel" by explaining 23 prophetic understandings that he got wrong.

 

Herbert W. Armstrong, Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God (WCG), 

was forbidden by God to understand bible prophecy correctly, despite being an apostle 

and the Messenger to the Sixth Era who led a church of over 100,000 members for fifty years. 

There are only 23 examples because the Pastor General humbly admitted he was reciting HWA's errors without a prepared list. He confessed that there are many more. In contrast, only Pastor General David C. Pack understands bible prophecy accurately because the Book of Revelation and Daniel have been unsealed to him. 

Please disregard the painful truth that he has been wrong 

about the return of Jesus Christ 135 times since August 2013. 

All credit to former member Marc Cebrian for this clip and description

Gerald Flurry: It Was A Crap Shoot When God Sent Jesus To Earth, Because If He Sinned Then God Was Going To Be Lonely

 

Oh, bless their little cotton socks, another day in COGland, where the bar for batshit craziness gets raised higher than Gerald Flurry’s bar tab. At this point, you’d think we’d all be numb to the nonstop clown show put on by these self-anointed apostles, but nope, every sunrise brings a fresh opportunity for one of them to strap on the red nose and oversized shoes.

You see, God the Father apparently works the night shift, frantically beaming “new revelation” straight into the pickled brains of His favorite franchise owners. Bob “Dreamy McProphet” Thiel gets herbal-tea-fueled nightmares, Dave Pack’s imaginary Jesus has been stuck in Wadsworth traffic for three straight years because even the Second Coming can’t find parking, and then there’s His Royal Tipsiness, King Gerald Flurry, who’s built a whole compound in Edmond, Oklahoma, because obviously that’s where the New Jerusalem is landing (sorry, Independence, Missouri, better luck next apocalypse).

But today Gerald Six-Pack Flurry, spiritual heir to a throne polishers everywhere, has outdone himself. Fresh from the bottom of whatever bottle inspired this gem, he has solemnly declared that Jesus Christ could have sinned while on earth. That’s right, folks: the same Jesus who was supposedly God in the flesh apparently had a very real shot at blowing the whole salvation plan by, I dunno, coveting His neighbor’s donkey or flipping off a Pharisee one too many times.

And if that had happened? Poor God the Father would’ve been left all alone up there in the starry void of the “northern heavens” (the part of space that’s mysteriously missing stars ever since Lucifer redecorated during the Great Heavenly Bar Fight of eternity past). Just one lonely Dude, sitting on an empty throne, swigging celestial whiskey, muttering, “I should’ve gone with Plan B… or literally any other son.”

Truly, the theological brilliance pouring out of Edmond these days is staggering. Herbert W. Armstrong is surely looking up from wherever he is, nodding proudly and saying, “That’s my boy, completely hammered and making it up as he goes, just like I taught him.”

Thank heavens Armstrongism isn’t the only crazy cult on the block, or we might actually have to take this nonsense seriously.

A God from the northern heavens came to Earth and became flesh and blood, risking the loss of eternal life. FAILURE WOULD HAVE LEFT THE FATHER AS THE ONLY REMAINING GOD FOREVER.

Spend more time and ponder what failure would have meant to our Father—the rest of eternity spent as the only God in the universe! Then you can better comprehend the kind of love He has for His creation

Can we fathom this loving sacrifice by God? This universe-shaking truth challenges our imagination. We are the recipients of this unparalleled act of love.

An “eternal life,” which was God, the Word, came and died for us. This ought to excite mankind beyond anything we can imagine. It was the beginning of what will probably become billions of sons in God’s Family.

BECAUSE WE TEACH THIS GOD-ORDAINED MESSAGE, WE ARE ALMOST GLUTTED WITH NEW REVELATION! THIS SHOULD SHOW US WHAT THIS MESSAGE MEANS TO THE FATHER AND THE SON. Revelation comes because we honor our Father and Husband.

Flurry coninues with this:

The goal of our work is to bring all humanity into fellowship with the Father and Son! Please read that again.

The Ephesus Church members quit doing God’s work because they lost their first love. The Laodiceans today stopped doing this work because they became blind to this vision. Anybody who fails to see why we do this work is blind!

We are the very elect of the firstfruits. Soon the whole world will be filled with second-fruits from the fall harvest. All mankind will have one mind, one faith, one love and one hope. Each person will be a witness for God!

Than this:

Herbert W. Armstrong College is here to get this message to the world. This message is for the whole of mankind. It produces the opposite of the negative fruits you see in Satan’s world.

The Laodicean Church members broke down in this area. Satan destroyed their desire and strength to be witnesses. Then they no longer wanted to declare the Father’s message.

We are declaring John’s message as quickly as we can. The job of our ministers is to help get our people 100 percent behind God’s work—so we can complete this work as speedily as possible. We are in THE LAST HOUR! We must work while we can, BEFORE this world is plunged into the Great Tribulation.

We must see that this message is everything to a dying world! It must be declared now—in this “last hour.” It is a message from the Logos, who was with the Father.

God sent an Elijah to restore all things. It was an astounding message not heard around the world for almost two millennia!

And from the early college days to the end, Mr. Armstrong had outstanding, God-inspired spokesman clubs. There were research and writing classes. The students were not there just to learn the message. They were also taught how to deliver it, both in this age and in the Millennium.

In Herbert W. Armstrong College, our students are taught how to write and speak like kings and priests. We have a message that must be communicated to all humanity!

Receiving God’s message is just half of the responsibility. The second part is communicating it. And what a communication job! This message must be delivered to every person ever born!

What good is the message if it is not declared and taught? What a failure if we don’t deliver our Father’s message! What a calamity. Now is the time to be a witness for God.

The world is full of violence and ready to explode into nuclear warfare. And America’s strongest messages to the world is the filthiest, Satan-inspired trash ever seen and heard!

At the same time, we ignore the Creator God who prophesies throughout His Word that He punishes for such despicable sins. Even the most violent terrorists can see and are offended by our unparalleled immorality. Surely we must believe that God would also be offended. But our people don’t care. We have descended into a kind of spiritual madness. Only the worst kind of punishment can ever awaken us. The Great Tribulation is going to be the worst suffering ever. The punishment fits the crime. Never was there a greater need to awaken!

More proof that these morons have no concept of what Jesus accomplished. 

The magnitude of the opportunity offered by our unparalleled technology makes our nations’ failure to take advantage of it incomparably disastrous. The whole world suffers mightily because of that failure. Never has there been a greater need for God’s message of hope.

We must give this world the only message that really matters. We will show them how to use the media.

Years ago, when the Soviet Union was strong, the Japanese were asked who they feared most. They answered that they feared Russia most militarily, but they feared America most culturally. (If only we could see ourselves as others see us.) And they had good cause for that fear. Today the Japanese are saturated with America’s vile culture. Our culture is destroying us and other nations morally and spiritually. We prate about how good we are and sing “God Bless America”—but God is cursing America, Britain and the Jews in the Middle East. He will continue to do so until we see our black sins and repent.

The Philadelphia Church of God has bought and paid for 170 acres and all of our buildings. What is it all for? We are getting ready to help Christ rule this world and the universe!

God has blessed us mightily. Now He wants to fire our imaginations to see what a marvelous, mind-staggering future this world has. We have the greatest, most complete message God has ever given to declare!

It is like these COG leaders deliberately mock Bob Thiel as the irrelevant fool that he is and his worthless message. 

Like John, we must never lose this awesome vision of love! Then we must be a witness for God. This is what the world so desperately needs.

Nothing screams “Philadelphia Church of God = Era of Brotherly Love” quite like the warm, fuzzy kind of love that rips families apart faster than a Black Friday sale at Walmart.

It’s the special, patented Gerald Flurry brand of love™ that heroically severs parents from children, grandparents from grandchildren, and spouses from each other, because apparently the quickest path to godliness is making sure nobody ever speaks to their blood relatives again. Who needs holiday dinners when you’re excommunicated for sending a birthday card to your disfellowshipped daughter, right?

And let’s not forget the cherry on top: that same suffocating, guilt-drenched “love” has been so inspirational, so life-affirming, that it’s driven more than a few precious PCG sheep to the ultimate escape hatch: suicide. Because when you can never, ever measure up to the ever-shifting, booze-fueled standards of King Six-Pack and his revolving door of “new revelation,” what’s the point of sticking around for another sermon about how you’re a worthless Laodicean worm?

Truly, the Philadelphia Church of God is a shining beacon of agape love, the kind that leaves shattered families, empty chairs at Thanksgiving, and fresh graves in its wake. 

So yes, by all means, keep spreading that signature Edmond-style love, one “mark and avoid” letter, one disfellowshipment, one funeral at a time. Truly heartwarming stuff.

And when the final trumpet finally blares (assuming Dave Pack’s imaginary Jesus ever figures out the correct Wadsworth exit ramp), God the Father can kick back in those lonely northern heavens, crack open a cold one, and enjoy the silence. Because thanks to the PCG’s stellar track record of turning potential “mini-gods and godlets” into estranged wrecks and suicide statistics, that celestial family reunion is going to be standing-room-only for exactly one Dude.

Just Him, an empty throne room, and an echo whispering, “Should’ve gone with the Mormons; at least they let you keep your kids.”

Well played, Gerald. Well played. The only thing you’ve successfully birthed into the Kingdom is a support group for traumatized ex-members and a waiting list at the Edmond liquor store. Cheers to that legacy.

 

Did A Restored Church of God Minister Jump Ship To Join Samuel Kitchen To Help Restore The One True Church?

Oh, the incestuous merry-go-round of COG groups never ceases to amaze—boundaries and scruples are apparently just suggestions from a bygone era. Church-hopping has been the most malignant (and hilariously predictable) disease in Armstrongism for the past thirty years. Someone’s fragile ego gets a tiny bruise, or they peek over the fence and decide the other guy’s wilted lawn looks positively emerald, and poof—they’re off to the next splinter that will stroke their insecurities and tell them they’re special.

And now, with Dave Pack’s Restored Church of God continuing its endless prophetic face-plant parade, who can blame the poor RCG ministers for eyeing the exits? Some slink off to slightly less insane COGs or Messianic groups, but others—God love ’em—go full Darwin Award and hitch their wagon to the absolute loopiest lunatics still flying the Armstrong flag.

Enter stage left: Jonathan Dicen, late of the Restored Church of God and writer RCG's The Real Truth magazine, is now desperately shopping for relevance. And because nothing screams “I’ve still got it” like joining a “church” with a congregation you can count on two hands without using all fingers, he has apparently thrown in his lot with Samuel Kitchen’s so-called Worldwide Church of God “restoration.”

You can almost hear Samuel squealing with delight. Finally! An actual ordained minister (rumored to have been ordained in the original WCG, no less) wants to join his elite squad of six. At last, legitimate apostolic succession—straight from Jesus through Herbert Armstrong right down to… checks notes… Samuel Kitchen. This means Dicen can now ordain Samuel, which has been Samuel’s real holy grail all along. Because once you’ve got that magic ordination, the tithe checks become retroactively legitimate, church government is properly hierarchical, and the whole operation stops looking like a vanity project run out of someone’s spare bedroom.

Samuel Kitchen calls out his brother, Timothy for daring to critize Samuels latest escapade:

Brother,

Who said God left the order of His Church to human reasoning or personal zeal?

I feel I was inspired by God to establish “The Support Services of the Worldwide Church of God” to set aside funds for the church. So far it has only been my funds, and not a lot of funds since I just started it. 

 

All of the corporate entities the Church had under Mr Armstrong was to provide support services to the Church in order to fulfill its divine commission. 

 

I believe wholly that Jesus Christ is restoring the Worldwide Church of God. You know this. 

 

The authority of God’s Government is here. The laying on of hands is being taken care of. You need not to worry any further. 

 

I am in full support of the ministry of Jesus Christ. You know this. This is why I’ve continued as Dad did, to not sit with those who have departed and wish to no longer walk with the Worldwide Church of God. 

 

I’ve called for repentance of those who came from the Church, who were given false promises in these groups. 

 

Hebrews 5:4, refers to the position of High Priest which is Jesus Christ. For God gave the honor to Christ, as He gave the honor unto Aaron! 

 

I have not sought position Tim, but only to full obey God in all things. God is the one who adds a man to the ministry. 

 

The support structure of the work, is physical in nature. To better assist the church, I created “the support services of the Worldwide Church of God”. It was not a creation of a church.
Jesus Christ is Head of the Worldwide Church of God. 

 

Steve Meyers the head of the ministry in the UCG, says the apostle Herbert W Armstrong is not part of the foundation. This is a rejection of the capstone, which has set forth the apostle into the foundation. 

 

If a ministry leaves Christ, and the flock remains obeying God, do not think the candlestick moves away from the faithful. The Oregon conference held the last remaining members of the Church of God coming from the Sardis era. The ministry had rejected Christ. See Mr Armstrong’s autobiography. 

 

You forget it is God who places in the body whom HE WILLS and where HE WILLS. I am in support of the government of God. 

 

There is no usurping. 

 

And behold God is opening doors for me, even to have a true minister come forward to solve these complaints you have. 

 

If Christ appoints you have no say in the matter. 

 

I have always said from the beginning…you know this…that as an unordained member, I cannot receive tithes and offerings. 

 

Therefore when I created the “support services” in Iowa, it was for my own funding. But now, with authorization from an ordained minister whose family was part of the founding families in the Philippines, under Mr Armstrong, to receive tithes and offerings, and resolving issues concerning laying on of hands, do you not believe God yet? God is in control. Jesus Christ is head. 

 

I am an advocate for the restoration of the ministry. And for doing it God’s way. 

 

I am supporting the work. 

 

As for leadership, that’s in Christ’s hands. He decides who. 

 

I intend to remain where God assigns me. 

 

And do what he wants me to do. 

 

I wrote, the Holy Golden Oil is what ignites the candlestick. And I had only established something that was physical in nature, in order to help me support the Worldwide Church of God. It was Not the Church. 

 

I think you are confused. 

 

This man from the Philippines was not sought after. He came to me. Jesus Christ is still Head of His Church! And He is using WHOM HE WANTS not whom you approve of and decided Timothy. 

 

You ended up in the UCG, because you sought out handouts and help, during your time of trials and lack of financial standing. What happened in Arkansas is an example. You like to keep what happened close to your best, but God sees everything, and yes God gave you mercy. You received help. But it was through your wife’s past, family and friends, and your willingness to contact the UCG or COGWA for help. And once you found a “home group”, you built community, and got settled with home and job, and now feel God put you there. And maybe in your condition you needed all that. I’m reminded of Abraham and Lot. God blessed Lot even though he went towards Sodom. 

 

But Tim you have looked down on me for remaining. For waiting, and for laboring in all capacity I have been given by God. That’s not good. Is it? 

 

Now God is solving the problems Himself. The Government of God is here. The authority of God is here. Christ appoints whom He wants appointed. No one has a say in it. 

 

Remember that’s brother.
In Christ’s service,
Sam Kitchen

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Timothy Responds:

Worldwide Church of God Archives

Samuel William Kitchen you do know Jonathan Dicen is a contributing writer for the real truth. Restored Church of God Magazine, right? Where is his fruit? Anything I find about him, only had that connection, i do not find any connection to The Worldwide Church of God. You say Aaron Dean is God's final authority, being the final and last remaining minister who has the authority from the Advisory Council of Elders. Fruit. And someone else has given you authority. An alternative to what God showed you? You are doing what Dad warned us against. What you once knew. Now you wanted authority, you accepted the offer. You didn't wait. You waited but you had someone come to you with what you desired. Satan knew what you wanted. And this has furthered you away from waiting and going the direction God showed you through our father. Who introduced him to you? I have asked that myself. A man associated with Restored Church of God, claiming to be an ordained minister from Worldwide, who among you were associated with Restored? This is how Satan works. One log at a time. I pray you are brought by God to the place to see this as God sees it. I would ask you to think what would Dad say? 

You created a support system for one you acknowledge is the remaining man alive who holds God's authority as the Advisory counsel of Elders held. Yet you have submitted to another. God works through one man at a time. You either believe that or you don't. Unless you think that one man is yourself. And that would be grave. That way only leads to the end of this world and any part in it if chosen. Don't chose ot any further. Repent. Hold fast, endure. WAIT! To act prematurely as Dathan and Korah did in the wilderness, is something I don't want you to do. I'm praying for you. May God bring you out of those chains that blind you. 

In Christ's service, 

Timothy Kitchen 

Dave Pack: Prophetic Waffling

 

Prophetic Waffling

The brethren in The Restored Church of God were able to enjoy their Thanksgiving turkey with a side of prophetic waffles served up by their human idol, Pastor General David C. Pack.

Ever-splaining with God’s authority, he has officially announced he is unsure about when the biblical Rubik’s Cube will be figured out. It could either be on December 5, 2025, or perhaps February 2, 2026. Hard to know until it happens, folks. He does offer his last best guesstimate.

As is his persistent custom, instead of holding fast to his own teaching, he started waffling in slow motion, serving small fresh-baked doubts about when he will prove his naysayers wrong.

The more Dave dishes out his prophetic waffles, the more the brethren are willing to keep eating them.

 

Fleeting and sparse are the days when David C. Pack teaches anything with clarity, power, and authority.

Flashback Part 601 – October 11, 2025
@ 1:39:52 The only way I could be dissuaded or the men who work with me intensely about this, of the date I know about, is if God or Gabriel spoke from heaven with an oracle to tell me otherwise.

But that was when Dave had on his big boy pants.

Only one month later, during “The Greatest Untold Story!” Parts 607 and 608 on November 15, 2025, the brethren were subjected to a more timid Pastor General who was determined to undermine his own teaching while he spent more hours continuing to teach it.

If you listened carefully, the stealthy waffling about December 5 (Kislev 16) came early.

Part 607 – November 15, 2025
@ 00:54 Kinda stay prepared. Stay ready for for what could I say? Monumental surprises.

One of the monumental surprises would come after three hours and six minutes of padding.

Part 608 – November 15, 2025
@ 1:24:54 All these verses don't match 1335 exactly. That's a problem. Something to ponder for later. It's close. Of course, we cannot have long.

The certainty of December 5 being the date that cannot tarry was already fading before Dave shuffled to the front table. But like most half-decent magicians, he needed to keep the audience distracted before subtly topping his waffling with deceptive syrup and powdered manipulation.

@ 1:25:08 But a critical point has come clear, and that's a kind of an introduction to it.

@ 1:25:24 So I I'm I I'm I’m preaching sometimes twice. Feel good. Thank you. I know you're praying for me. I been getting tremendous energy. I can't even explain it. It's its own miracle.

David C. Pack declared a miracle, and the brethren witnessed it. This keeps their attention away from his waffling about the current timeline.

@ 1:25:35 But some things have come clear. We're on track. And I I will be bringing you more. More things. You know, the next two Sabbaths, I've got them lined up and and we’ll just we’ll just see how many we go beyond that. Wink and a nod.

The wink and a nod is that he is going to blow up his own picture. Again.

Dave likes to save his vague waffling for the end of a message, after members are exhausted and anxiously checking their watches, wondering when they will be allowed to go home.

 

No longer pussyfooting around, the next week, David C. Pack wasted no time dissolving the surety of the Kingdom to Israel, arriving on December 5. Exemplifying outgoing love and concern for the curious brethren, it only took him 97 minutes to get to the point they wanted to hear from the time they drove home last week.

By this point, the prophetic waffles were stacked high.

Part 609 – November 22, 2025
@ 1:37:30 The 2,625 days is from a a a day in December or a day in February. I call it, “The Date [chuckles] in Scripture That Comes Twice.” Or “The Same Day That Arrives Two Times.”

Even when Dave formulates labels for a momentary idea, he waffles on that, unable to just pick one.

@ 1:37:54 You wonder, “What do you mean, Mr. Pack?” So, I just wanna say this ballgame, to some degree, is still tied. There’s no clear winner.

Spoken like the apostles of old. How are members not embarrassed when he waffles like this?

This is the Mr. Pack they want:

Flashback Part 602 – October 18, 2025
@ 1:50:30 Only an oracle from God or Gabriel or Christ could change my mind.

This is the Wafflin’ Dave they get:

Part 609 – November 22, 2025
@ 1:42:32 Two dates stare at us. They’ll resolve themself, even if we hafta wait past December 5th. We’ll know.Both cannot be true. One holds no meaning. Either December 5th or February 2nd holds no meaning.

News Flash: Neither Date Holds Any Meaning

When you read this, please hold all laughter until the end. This is a master class in waffling.

@ 1:42:53 Next week, in what I hope is the last sermon in the Series, I’ll give my last best estimate or guesstimate in a Bible study after the final sermon of what I think it may be. But I’m just gonna tell you the the tie will not has not broken yet. I may know in a week. And I’ll review a few things that strengthen December 5th on the last Sap–Sabbath we will come to before it. And then I’ll if if if that doesn’t happen, then I’ll come back with an enormous case for February 2nd. And we’ll have to accept the fact that it’s not a Sabbath. So, I leave you with that thought. We’re very close. You wanna know what I lean toward? Normally, I would give you a leaning. I am so 50/50, I I just you can’t even believe it. It’s hard to believe that we’re gonna enter our rest and it’s not a Sabbath. But the case for February 2nd is unbelievable.

The case for February 2 is as unbelievable as all the other 137 before it. Dave’s prophetic waffling is a tried-and-true pattern you can almost set your watch by.

People joined The Restored Church of God for the biblical precision of doctrine. But they choose to stay for a man's last best guesstimate. It seems their love for the truth has also been waffling.

 

The brethren would do well to trust in the words of David C. Pack as much as David C. Pack does. He conjured the doctrine, taught it, then waffled on its validity while still teaching it.

David C. Pack’s Pattern of Prophetic Waffling:
Dave preaches Doctrine A for hours. Then, he undermines Doctrine A for hours by stealthily introducing Doctrine B. Doctrine B is then taught for hours, even though Dave is already harboring uncomfortable suspicions and realizes before his head hits the pillow that Doctrine C is actually the truth. Meanwhile, foolish brethren falsely believe Doctrine B until Dave comes back the next week to tear apart Doctrine B with a "better" Doctrine C. More proofs solidifying Doctrine C are on the horizon, and a list of further evidence he does not have time to share is waved in the air. The following week, an out-of-the-blue Doctrine D is "proven to be inarguable," while Dave rips Doctrine C to shreds as being "impossible" in the light of the more-perfect Doctrine D. Doctrine D is immovable until Doctrine A is reestablished as "the hill I die on" with blame placed on mistranslations, forgotten verses, and irrelevant coincidences. Unless Gabriel, God, or Jesus Christ says otherwise, Doctrine A is never going to change, and there is no other date possible. Until Doctrine E falls like an anvil out of the sky and jolts Dave like a bolt of lightning while he sips his morning coffee. All the ministers agree that Doctrine E cannot budge and is as solid as a rock. But nobody considered Doctrine F.

This is the cycle of “The Greatest Untold Story!” at The Restored Church of God and why there are 609 Parts ten years running with no end in sight.

David C. Pack is a blaspheming, hypocritical liar, a false apostle, a false prophet, and a false teacher. A genuine Seventh Messenger chosen by God to end the Mystery of God would be able to do so without continuously waffling on his own ideas.

The Pastor General fulfills the scriptures, but never in ways he thinks.

James 1:8
A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.

1 Corinthians 14:8
For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

The continued uncertainty about when Jesus Christ, or the Kingdom to Israel, or the Kingdom of God, or Daniel’s 1335 will arrive “right on track” keeps some weary members stuck in their seats with the foolish wishful thinking, “Surely, this can’t keep going on like this much longer.”

The Greatest Unending Series began on November 14, 2015, when it was called “The Greatest Story Never Told!” Last week, Dave delivered Part 609 on November 22, 2025. Only those clinging to medical-grade denial believe this is almost over, divine occurrence or not.

This will never end because God is not guiding David C. Pack to teach what he does. The Holy Spirit is not inspiring his utterances. What David C. Pack teaches is manmade malarkey fueled by maniacal ego and supremely desperate hubris.

The series has become less about when the Kingdom of God will arrive and more about what Dave “is gonna do” once he is crowned King “Elijah the Prophet” David working one-on-one with the Father while Jesus Christ maneuvers “in the background.”

All the self-righteous sugarplums dancing in Dave’s head are moot until the prophetic show starts. And that exact date is to be determined. Dave may say 50/50, but deep down, he knows it is 0/0.

November 29 is Dave’s last chance to kick the can down to February to buy himself some much-needed Me-Time while clinging to the illusion of knowing anything about anything. Anticipate him proudly announcing he “was right” about February 2. It will surely come. Wait for it.

David C. Pack unsurprisingly served up another heaping pile of prophetic waffling. The only question is: How much longer are the brethren going to keep eating it?

Marc Cebrian:

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Dave Pack News Flash: Headquarters Couple Leaves The Restored Church of God

 

Newsflash: Headquarters Couple Leaves The Restored Church of God

David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God was a little salty last week because a couple and one other person attending at Headquarters in Wadsworth, Ohio, quit his spiritually corrupt organization. During “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 606)” on November 8, 2025, the Pastor General lamented this “naïve” wife just “strolled away with her husband” out the door because he “broke her because she’s the weaker vessel.”

Ever deflecting and never the direct reason why people flee The Restored Church of God, David C. Pack’s fingers have not gotten tired of blaming external evils for his biblically fraudulent organization’s dwindling numbers. But certainly not the 600 sermons of malarkey.

Part 606 – November 8, 2025
@ 53:15 It's the lies and the half-truths and the misrepresentations that can cause this.

What lies, Dave? What half-truths? What misrepresentations?

Those sound like the talking points Headquarters trains the field mollusks to say when concerned members bring up documented facts and uncomfortable reminders archived at exrcg.org.

Lies are not necessary for valid reasons to leave The Restored Church of God.

Half-truths are not necessary for valid reasons to leave The Restored Church of God.

Misrepresentations are not necessary for valid reasons to leave The Restored Church of God.

If anyone wants to find verifiable facts free of lies, half-truths, and misrepresentations, please visit exrcg.org. The channel on YouTube hosts the video evidence.

@ 53:20 Think. This husband could not possibly have believed a kingdom was just weeks away. Impossible.

No discerning, critical-thinking, bible-believing person would either. The failure of Kislev 16 on December 5 is inevitable, like the 135 others before it, and is just one uncomfortable suspicion away from being disproven by the man who taught it. At that point, the couple were not rebels. They were ahead of the curve.

One of David C. Pack’s strategies is to pit husbands and wives against each other. When couples have a doctrinal issue, they try to separate them to manipulate them individually. Two men will team up to work on a woman to get her to flip on her husband. That is standard operating procedure in The Restored Church of God.

@ 1:01:24 And you can't be a pastor like I am …without weeping over people that leave.

Raise your hand if you believe David C. Pack weeps for anyone.

As an added bonus during Part 606, David C. Pack paid homage to his "father in the gospel" by explaining 23 prophetic understandings that his mentor got wrong. Herbert W. Armstrong, Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God (WCG), was forbidden by God to understand bible prophecy correctly despite being an apostle and the Messenger to the Sixth Era who led a church of over 100,000 members for fifty years.

Dave humbly admitted there were only 23 examples because he was reciting HWA's errors without a prepared list. He confessed that there are many more.

In contrast, only Pastor General David C. Pack understands bible prophecy accurately because the Book of Revelation and Daniel have been unsealed to him. Please disregard the painful truth that he has been wrong since August 2013.

Despite being free of corporate debt, The Restored Church of God limps along without any discernible plan for the future, with no will to herald the good news of the coming Kingdom of God. No new literature. No new videos. No new advertising campaigns. No new fruits letters.

Members are aging out, and more in the Headquarters congregation have their eyes on the exits. David C. Pack will now need to ponder if that is a lie, a half-truth, misrepresentation… or a proven fact. Stay tuned.

Marc Cebrian

See: News Flash: Headquarters Couple Leaves RCG