Dave Pack: Why Is Jesus Too Stupid To Know When To Return?

 

RCG News Flash – December 15, 2024

David C. Pack Declared Jesus Christ Would Return
on December 16, 2024.
But then taught maybe on January 15, 2025.
Then maybe on December 31, 2024.
Then maybe on March 29, 2025.

The inexplicable madness of The Restored Church of God continues. A prime example of the biblical lunacy the members are willing to endure centers around Pastor General David C. Pack declaring that the start of the 1335 in the book of Daniel brings salvation and Jesus Christ on December 16, 2024.

He taught this with “impossible it’s wrong” proofs during “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 545)” on November 16, 2024 and promised even more evidence was coming.

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One week later, during “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 546)” on November 23, 2024, Dave expressed doubt about the previous teaching by suggesting it could happen instead on January 15, 2024.

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One week later, during "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 547)" on November 30, 2024, Dave threw out all he taught about a January 15 possibility to declare the 1335 still occurred on December 16, but salvation would not come until December 31.

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One week later, during "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 548)" on December 7, 2024, Dave threw out all his recycled malarkey about a New Year's Eve possibility to declare the 1335 did still occur on December 16… but had to give a "heartbreaking" caveat that "haunted him." Members of The Restored Church of God MAY need to wait until March 29, 2025.

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To top off the meandering prophetic rollercoaster, David C. Pack declared he is prophesying NOW.

December 16 will be the 90^th recorded prophetic failure for David C. Pack since being tracked in March 2022. When nothing happens tomorrow, he will once again publicly prove himself to be a blaspheming false prophet. He is not God's servant, and God is not working through him. But Dave refuses to see that.

David C. Pack said that “liars and satanic people” are attacking him. The fact is that David C. Pack attacks himself just by opening his mouth. Let his own words stand witness against him.

Who the “liars” are and what they are saying about RCG is unknown to me. If you know, please write exrcgwebsite@gmail.com.

Marc Cebrian
exrcg.org

Commercial Break: And Now a Word About Christmas from the Elijah to Come-David C Pack (Mr Passover to you)

  Stars are Evil 

 

Dave Pack: Preserver of Fringe Theology and the Age of Cosmological Ignorance. 

Note: Moloch, Remphan and Chemosh do not actually exist. Saturn and Venus, on the other hand....

 

"I'm gonna tell you some fascinating things no one has ever understood and I am sure of it!"

David C Pack

 

 “I know more about Christmas than anybody who’s ever lived. Period.”

 “I I maybe there’s somebody who knows more about [Christmas] than I do,

BONUS FOOLISHNESS

 “I’ve studied prophecy, I am sure, by far, more than anybody who ever lived.”

"I know prophecy better than any man alive."

“Look, maybe there’re people who know New Testament Church history better than I, but I but I I’ll bet there aren’t three in the last two thousand years,

but I doubt it.”

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Stars ain't all that bad Dave...

Job 38:7

When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Matthew 2:2

Saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

Revelation 1:16

In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.

Revelation 1:20

As for the mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

Revelation 12:1

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

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MY CHRISTMAS MESSAGE TO DAVE

 

"I know astro-theology like no Dave Pack ever could"  :)

Revelation 22:16

“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

 

NOTE: Lucifer, "the light bringer" also is given this title in scripture. It is the source of the idea that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. Kinda like the good Horus (God of light) and the bad Set (God of Darkness) of Egyptian mythology. 

 

 Isaiah 14:12:

“How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! 

 

NOTE: The story of the fall of Lucifer, the light (Sun) bringer, is simply the phenomenon, not understood back in the day when stars were spirits and Venus, as an inner planet rose and then "fell back to earth." made a great story explaining their world. 

 

This rise and fall of Venus, especially in the morning prior to sunrise,  is due to it being an inner planet. This phenomenon was the source of many a rich tale in antiquity. 

 

 

Anyway...Merry Christmas from the world's greatest mind and expert on Christmas.

 

David C Pack

 

(And please don't forget that Jesus, for sure and it cannot be argued, returns next week on December 16th at 9:37 EST.

 

Unfortunately I have to work so I won't be available :)

Satan Continues To Attack Whiney Self-Appointed COG Prophet

 

Why is it that Satan is always so busy persecuting certain self-appointed Church of God leaders? Doesn't he have anything better to do? Apparently, he has to sit in the local coffee shop hacking into the Great Bwana's websites, stirring up trouble. He could be attacking Dave Pack or Gerald Flurry, but no, he picks Bob Thiel. The world gets crazier by the day!

Hacking Issues

Last week I mentioned that we were working on issues because our Bible News Prophecy International radio site hit by a targeted hack that shut down our Bible News Prophecy International multi-language internet radio channel and has made it not possible to currently update.

While working on that, we also noticed that our ccog.eu site was hacked and taken offline. Plus, a hack affected out Spanish language site. We found 1,700 pieces of malware on just one of the sites!

So, we have been working on these matters, as well as taking steps to protect more of our websites from being hacked.

Satan does not want Matthew 24:14 to be fulfilled as that is an important sign of the end, which will lead to the countdown of his end. Since Satan is the “the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience” (Ephesians 2:2), he has directly or indirectly, influenced one or more of the disobedient to attack our websites.

Who Have You Placed Your Identity In?

Who should you place your identity in today? Should it be in a physical church? A so-called spiritual one? Or, in the One you should be placing your identity in?

Samuel Kitchen says it should be IN the Worldwide Church of God. He writes:

The Holy Spirit distinguishes the Worldwide Church of God from all other peoples. 

 

If someone is called of God, receives the Holy Spirit of God, the more they walk by the Word of God the more they look like the Worldwide Church of God! 

 

Eventually they will have to accept the fact that their identity is the Worldwide Church of God aka the true Church of God. 

 

And I think that is what is being suppressed in these church groups! The ability to finally come into the full identity of the Worldwide Church of God. 

 

If you attend with these other churches, you can’t wholly take on the identity of the true Church of God. Because the more obey the word of God, the more you run head on into the government of God. The Worldwide Church of God only has the government of God. 

 

The more families and people submit God’s will and government the more they become The Worldwide Church of God . 

 

And the more you obey God the more you have to separate away from that which is not of God! Come out of her my people! 

 

Obey God no matter where you are! 

 

People have joined with these cog groups saying this other church has people obeying God.
My family was shown how the idea of a second church is heresy. And since not one of the cog groups have continued with 100% of what was learned by the members of the Worldwide Church of God, but only parts of it, we are commanded to avoid those groups! To hold fast! 

 

This has led us to proclaim the continued existence of the Worldwide Church of God as a spiritual body! 

 

It also has led me to warn brethren about departures from God and His Truth and against heresies. This is the Laodicean warning! Don’t become lukewarm or indifferent to what God says in His Word! 

 

You won’t slide into the Kingdom of God! You won’t be protected by mingling with other people! You have to WALK according to Gods Word! 

 

The more we do, the more Satan gets angry. Because he thought by destroying the human organization for the Work would destroy the church! But if you are in another church obey God! If you are in jail, obey God! Wherever you are obey God! 

 

Then God will gather his flock. You just have to obey God and not get caught up among the sifting machine Satan is using against you!

After reading this bullshit, it is no wonder the Church of God today is an extreme mess of idiocy and utter blasphemy. Any Christian, even a nominal one, recognizes their identity is in Jesus Christ and NOT in any physical, "spiritual" church or some gelatinous slimy thing they love to call the spiritual organism. Their identity is in The ONE.

They know this because because of how God sees his children:

You Are Loved

In Christ, you are loved. You were created with a purpose. You are not just a convenient carbon copy of someone else. You were created uniquely and with intention. God lovingly designed every detail of your person. Can you imagine the love involved with that intricate design?

You Are Chosen

In Christ, you are not only loved but chosen. God sent His own Son to earth to die in your place so that you could be included in His family.

God was not obligated to choose you based on your performance or credentials. He chose to carry out an intricate plan that involved the death of His own perfect Son, which allowed you the opportunity to be a child of God.

You are no mistake. You are chosen and wanted.

You Are Forgiven

In order to be counted a child of the perfect Father, you had to be free of sin — that is, you had to be perfect with regard to doing right and not doing wrong. That is a tall order considering no one but Jesus was or is perfect and no one can attain perfection by their own effort.

However, because Jesus, who was without sin, died the death you should have on the cross, you can be forgiven of sin. What you’ve done wrong is not counted against you, and all that Christ did right is counted for you. This forgiveness allows you to be considered a child of God.

Therefore, in God’s eyes, if you have accepted what Jesus did for you, you are completely forgiven. From His perspective, you are without sin. It’s not that you won’t sin, but when He looks at you, He calls you forgiven. That is something on which you can build your identity.

You Are Redeemed

What does your forgiveness mean? You are redeemed — that is, Christ’s sacrifice has bought you back from the forces of sin and evil that once owned and controlled you and made you His.

When God looks at you, He does not see a former sinner. He does not see you in light of who you once were. He sees you as redeemed: a new creation that has been made whole.

You do not have to define yourself in light of your past mistakes. God does not do that. You can walk in the identity of someone who is made new in Christ.

You Are Adopted

What does it mean to be considered a child of God? It means that you have been adopted into His family. You are considered a legitimate child of the God of the universe, having all the rights and standing of Jesus His Son.

God sees you as a cherished child who bears His name. Just as earthly adoption is a legally binding process that names you a permanent part of a family, heavenly adoption is just as permanent and binding. You are His child, and He will never take that away. Your Identity in Christ: How God Sees You

Our identity is not in the Worldwide Church of God or that creepy thing they call the spiritual organism. It is most certainly not in the Worldwide Church of God, Herbert Armstrong, Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, or ANY other COG leader. 

It also is NOT our identity to be abused by church government under Armstrongism. This perverse teaching has led us down the rabbit hole to the spiraling mess the COG is in today with its various apostate and heretical leaders. Armstrongite church government has allowed abuse to rob people of their literal lives. Armstrongite church government robs people of a deep spiritual connection to Jesus.

Can Prophecy Really Come Alive?

Ecclesiastes 8:7 

"Since no one knows the future, who can tell someone else what is to come?"

"For he does not know what will happen; So who can tell him when it will occur?"

"If no one knows what will happen, who can tell him when it will happen?"

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I am not personally of the view that there is actually such a skill or ability of anyone to predict the future. Generally perhaps based on trends, but not specifically as the Bible seems to do. Prophets of the past, in my view, may have spoken about what they felt would happen in their own times, but "prophecies" thousands of years in advance are simply not possible. 

Anyone can, if they are willing, to see that what seems like prophecy, such as the 8 "and thus it was fulfilled"s of Matthew 2, concerning the birth story of Jesus, are merely back written into his tale, which in no way agrees with Lukes Birth Narratives, and a clear making Old Testament scriptures mean what they never actually mean when written down. 

The reason Jesus last crucifixion story and his last words seem prophesied is because the author of the Gospels lifted quotes from the Psalms to flesh out a story, they really had no idea about how it went down nor were they witnesses of it. 

Prophecy is not so much history prophesied, but prophecy historized and brought ahead into the present by writers intending to give the impression the present was pre-dicted long ago, when it was not.  

For example, the reason Daniel 11 seems so prophetically detailed is simply because all the events it predicts had already happened. Outcomes were already known and lives lived to historize into prophecy. (Daniel was a product of the Second Century BCE and not the Fifth.) The reasons that empires could be prophesied to come is because they had already come and gone. 

When you get into Daniel 12, it all gets rather vague again about the real future and Daniel is simply told to shut it down. The reason?  We don't actually know what will happen as it has not yet happened. 

Today, I am more inclined to see OT prophets as being fascinating for their schizophrenia (Ezekiel and Amos along with any who noted "And the Lord said unto me), depression (Jeremiah) and others who heard the voice of God in their heads when no one else did. If Paul's visions were real, to Paul, they take on the symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy. (Voices, bright lights and often with religious content). These now understood mental issues would not have been understood and assigned divine gift status back in the day. 

I recall visiting a mentally ill member in the hospital where she calmly said "I know you don't understand this, but Mr Diehl, you are an angel unawares".  Well yeah! LOL.  Mania and bi polar issues can do that to you. 

"Someone once asked what's the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees or hears , sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

Prophets, Apostles, and Mental Illness

Jesus is said to have prophesied his coming "soon", "shortly" and "quickly", and the Apostles joined in specifically telling those in the NT Church to be ready, not marry and if you had a wife, act as if you didn't, whatever that meant. The Apostle Paul, not unlike all Church leaders today who build their churches on the fear of imminent prophetic fulfilments, spent his whole ministry pre-dicting "we shall not all die...", until he did of course. That was our collective experience with WCG.  "Just ahead", "Three to five years, 10 at the outside, 15 max" was just more prophetic fiction mean to motivate, perhaps for less than honorable reasons. 

Dave Pack, the greatest fool ever produced by the WCG is addicted to making an ass out himself prophetically. He is never right and he never will be because the whole concept of prophetic abilities is simply wrong. No one can pre-dict the future in any theological sense. 

While Dave claims...

DCP – Like No One Else

“I’ve been studying God’s word for almost 50 years. And I’ve studied prophecy, I know
this, like no man who’s ever lived. And I’m gonna tell you things over the next several weeks that are so awesome, so mind-bending, even before today.”

“I know literally, literally everything that happens from the time Christ drops outta

that cloud ’til this things rolls into the box. I’ve got the whole picture ’til there’s no more

earth. So, I know what God is gonna do and you know what God’s gonna do.”

and...

“I’m gonna to reveal a great prophecy is ending. A great prophecy no one ever saw

in the Bible is ending right now, and you know nothing of it, and the church didn’t, and

every historian and theologian who’s ever lived never knew anything about it.”

...he will always be a fake and badly mistaken prophetic fool. 

Now, I can probably predict the loss of the war by Ukraine and the "chosen people" making themselves the most accursed people on the planet, but that's not based on anything any Holy Spirit had to "inculcate" my mind with. That just seems to be common sense at play. 

Both the Gospel Jesus and the Apostle Paul, as well as others, real or imagined authors of the NT were wrong. When Jesus is said to have said, "This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled" it does not mean and never did mean, "this generation to whom these things happen to". That's the apologetic since it did not happen then. Jesus meant it for none others than for those to whom he was speaking.  Jesus was wrong. The beat went on...

Bob Thiel is big on prophetically awful weather because "God is trying to get our attention."  Rubbish...  Weather is just weather and we know better, or should. Unless, of course, God is a low pressure system in disguise. Besides, what's with God having to "try".  Lame. 

Our first hint of the fallacy of prophetic skills is realizing that...

• Fortune-Teller
• Seer
• Prophet
• Augur
• Cassandra
• Crystal Gazer
• Doomsayer
• Futurist
• Jeremiah
• Oracle
• Palm Reader
• Prophesier
• Prognosticator
• Sibyl
• Soothsayer
• Herbert Armstrong
• Dave Pack
• Gerald Flurry
• Bob Thiel

...have not yet won the lottery. It's not unlike our not finding faith healers working for hospitals. They lose their magic powers outside of church. 

Whoever said it was spot on...

The future isn't what it used to be. We can predict everything, except the future. The future's uncertain and the end is always near. 

And prophecy can never really come alive because

"Since no one knows the future, who can tell someone else what is to come?"

"For he does not know what will happen; So who can tell him when it will occur?"

"If no one knows what will happen, who can tell him when it will happen?"

Dave Pack Claimed The Title of Christ. How Well Has He Been Doing?

Remember this stupidity from Dave? 

It has not aged well...

RCG News Flash! Dave Pack Confirms The Exact Date Christ Returns!!!!!!!

 

RCG News Flash – November 24, 2024

David C. Pack Declares
Jesus Christ Will Return
on December 16, 2024

The book of Daniel was unsealed again during “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 545)” on November 16, 2024. The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God gave the brethren “wonderful news” for the 90^th time since March 2022. He knows “inarguably” when Jesus Christ will return: December 16 at 9:37 AM ET. This is the moment of sunset in Jerusalem, Israel, beginning Kislev 16.

The countdown timer is running on exrcg.org.

It turns out that those with a background in the Worldwide Church of God who foolishly believed what Herbert W. Armstrong taught are a bunch of prophecy nincompoops for not accurately understanding the 1290 and 1335. Those days are consecutive, not concurrent, stupid.

Listening to his sermon after a two-month hiatus reinforced my suspicion that David C. Pack was still boring. Part 545 was painfully repetitive of everything else he has ever said. You can stop listening to him for months and jump back in without missing a beat. Nothing he said during Parts 534 through 544 is of any consequence because he perpetually reinvents the wheel, drumming up new excuses for his previous failures.

Rinse and repeat since 2012.

Even after David C. Pack fails again on December 16, the next teaching he rushes to call out will be just as “absolute, unassailable, inspiring, impossible to disbelieve and you can’t doubt it, impossible that it’s wrong, impossible to argue, and sure” with even more “powerful proofs.”

Marc Cebrian
exrcg.org

Self-Appointed Modern Day Crack-pot Zerubabbel Expects You To Believe Who He Thinks He Is

It's another sunny day in California, and our resident self-appointed crackpot false prophet to the Churches of God is trying to thump his puny chest, proclaiming he is someone he is not. It never ceases to fascinate me why the Church of God is filled with so many of these unimportant morons who think they are God's gift to the church. None of them have ever uttered anything truthful or accurate when they spout their nonsense. Every single one of them has gone by the wayside, widely mocked and quickly forgotten. This is what is guaranteed to befall our current liars leading the Restored Church of God, Philadelphia Church of God, Church of God Preaching The Kingdom, Church of God Faithful Flock, and especially the improperly named "Continuing" Church of God.

The Great Bwana to Africa and the occasional Caucasian, the HIGHLY IMPORTANT Dr. Bob Thiel, is back tooting his Zerubabbel horn, expecting us to believe he is the modern manifestation of the prophet Zerubbabel and Joshua.

The stupidity shines brightly below:

Zerubabbel and Joshua for 21st Century? 

 

A 6th century BC governor of Judea/Jerusalem was named Zerubabbel. He is mentioned in books by Ezra, Nehemiah, and Haggai. All had opposition doing the work of God. Zerubabbel is sometimes mentioned with one named Jeshua/Joshua. 

 

Could prophecies associated with Zerubabbel apply to Jesus or Herbert W. Armstrong? 

No, they did not. Fact. A Church of God myth.

Do prophecies tie this Joshua in with Garner Ted Armstrong? 

No, they obviously did not. Fact. A Church of God myth. 

Might Zerubabbel and Joshua be a type of the two olive trees, the two witnesses? 

 

What did the old Worldwide and Radio Church of God teach about Zerubabbel and Joshua? 

 

Since Zerubabbel seemingly saw the first temple of Solomon, yet laid the foundation for the second temple that Jesus returned to, would the final Zerubbabel be around until about the time that Jesus returned? 

Whether this is true or not, one fact is assuredly true, this person will NOT be anyone tied to an Armstrongist Church of God.  

What about the old temple and Ambassador Auditorium? 

What about it? It's a physical building built with money hoodwinked from sincere people conned into believing God was supposedly going to live there and sanctify it. God did neither. If it was sanctified, then why did it fall into the hands of another pseudo-Christian sect/cult that practiced holy barking, pogoing, and could turn teeth into gold? 

Never fear, though. It's about to be sold again, so maybe it will be the Germans as they prepare to use the building as their operation HQ for when they invade the United States and set up concentration camps. Maybe Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg will announce the overthrow of the United States from the stage. This is Armstrongism, after all, and in it anything is possible!

Is the temple Jesus is returning to the true church? 

One thing is for certain: when Christ does return, it will be to millions of justified and sanctified Christians around the world. He is not returning to Petra or Pella or some desert community in Jordan where a bunch of batshit crazy American religious frauds have led their followers to.  

If Herbert W. Armstrong established the first part of the Philadelphia era, would not Zerubabbel be around to help establish the second part, the Philadelphian remnant in the 21st century? 

The Philadelphia remnant is a Church of God myth used to make followers feel special and called out. It is a guaranteed FACT that this remnant is NOT the improperly named "Continuing" Church of God. That is an immutable FACT!  

Might the end time Zerubabbel be from a Roman Catholic background and Joshua from a church of God background, but who has remained with Laodicean too long? 

Just because the Great Bwana Bob was a former Catholic does not make him a modern-day Zerubabbel. He is a liar to say such a thing. Is Joshua supposed to be Aaron Dean, who has remained too long in a heretical splinter group? The Kitchen's think so. Or, is Joshua going to be Ron Weinland? This is Armstrongism, after all, so the scenarios are endless. 

Could Herbert W. Armstrong have been the signet ring as one group asserted? 

No. Fact. Another Church of God myth.

Are there dualities and prophecies that relate to both ancient Zerubabbel and the Continuing Church of God? 

The chances of this happening are about as good as Garner Ted being resurrected to come back and save the church! The dual prophecy myths of Armstrongism most assuredly do NOT point to a self-appointed crackpot prophet or the improperly named "Continuing" Church of God. This also is an immutable FACT! 

Who is preparing for the short work of Romans 9:28? 

It is NOT Bwana Bob Thiel. That is a FACT!  

Dr. Thiel provides insights to these topics.

Dr. Thiel provides deluded mind farts as if they are God-given insights. God no more delivers this crap to Bob's mind than He does to Gerald Flurry or Dave Pack. 

Why are the Churches of God filled with so many of these liars? Why do these self-appointed prophets never act like Biblical prophets?

Here is the reason why:

...Biblically and historically, true prophets spoke out boldly against injustice and exploitation. They spoke on God's behalf when his people went astray and forgot the poor.

Like a good comedian, true prophets punch up. Not down.

The Biblical prophets spoke truth to power, not condemnation to the downtrodden and marginalized.

True prophets in 2022 [and 2024] would be speaking out about the needs of refugees, the homeless, and people in poverty around the world. They would be speaking out against war and violence. They would speak out loudly and boldly against politicians, corporations, and churches who refuse to help the poor and the downtrodden.

(As a fun exercise - have a read through the book of Amos and see how much these words resonate, or not, with the words of the so-called "prophets" of your church today).

There are a whole lot of people who call themselves "prophets" but most of them barely acknowledge poverty, exploitation, or injustice.

Truly they are charlatans.

Jesus knew this, and that's why he warned that there will always be a bunch of false prophets and fake teachers running their mouths off who will "deceive many people" (Mt. 24:11).

In Biblical times, there were two types of prophets.

Firstly, there were those “prophets” who feasted at the King's table because they had been co-opted to speak well of evil leaders (1 Kings 18:19). They were bringing smarmy words of favor and influence and prosperity to the king and his cronies. And the king lapped it up. Like a sucka.

Secondly, there were those who were exiled to the caves, or beheaded (like John the Baptist) because they spoke out about the injustice or immorality of their leaders (1 Kings 18:4). The king didn't like them very much. He tried to have them knee-capped.

So how can you tell the difference?

You will know false prophets by their fruit and their focus. That focus is you.

Some come with a message that makes you feel AMAZING - God is going to "enlarge your tent" and "expand your influence", he's going to "give you great favor" and "bless you mightily"…

Others come with a message that makes you feel FEARFUL, like “the end times are upon us”, “prepare for the apocalypse”, “buy more gold quickly, hide yourself away from the chaos”…

Save yourselves, come with us to Petra, and hide from the chaos. Sound familiar?

Notice how the focus is always you at the center? Not Jesus or those who are suffering.

[Note: Of course God blesses. Of course God gives people favor, and even gives them influence sometimes. But these were not the main priorities of the Biblical prophets. This did not form the core of their message.]

I would suggest to you that many church leaders today, Q-Anon adherents, and other so-called "prophetic leaders" of the evangelical church have become the false prophets of this generation. We have gone astray.

Let’s instead consider what a true prophet sounds like. Here is a sampling of Biblical prophets just to remind you what they sound like:

“Hear this, you who trample the needy and destroy the poor of the land!”

Amos the prophet (Amos 8:4)

“Seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow’s cause.”

Isaiah the prophet (Isaiah 1:17)

“Woe to him who builds his house by unrighteousness, and his upper rooms by injustice”

Jeremiah the prophet (Jeremiah 22:13)

“Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.”

Ezekiel the prophet (16:49)

“He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God.”

Micah the prophet (Micah 6:8)

"Thus says the Lord of hosts… do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the immigrant, or the poor…”

Zechariah the prophet (Zechariah 7:9-10) 

Have you EVER heard a Church of God self-appointed prophet preach like this? The answer to that is a bold NO!

Got it? It's pretty clear to anyone who has immersed themselves in these scriptures what true prophets sound like. True prophets are not babbling on about the “deep state”, conspiracy theories and Donald Trump. The teachings of many modern day evangelical church leaders just do not resonate with God's heart for justice and Shalom, the way the Biblical prophets did.

So who will you listen to? I invite you to turn your ear towards people who echo the prophets of the Bible, speaking truth to power, and grace and love to the downtrodden.  HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH MOST MODERN DAY PROPHETS...

The simple fact remains. Do not believe the lies of the Church of God false prophets, especially those who claim mantles of Hebrew prophets.  These are charlatans who are unable to put their confidence in Jesus. They have to look backward to the Old Covenant times (much like the Israelites looking longingly back at all the leeks and foods they were missing) for solace and comfort and for titles they think they fit. Unwilling to revel in peace and contentment in Christ, they expect us to follow them down the dark paths they are currently upon.

And the people of Israel also wept again and said, “Oh that we had meat to eat! We remember the fish we ate in Egypt that cost nothing, the cucumbers, the melons, the leeks, the onions, and the garlic. But now our strength is dried up, and there is nothing at all but this manna to look at.”

The manna set before Armstrongism and its followers has been soundly rejected by its current apostles, prophets, chief overseers, pastor generals, and presidents. They prefer the garlic, melons, and "comfort" of Old Covenant times over the freedom, peace, and assurances of being People of the Way.

Weasel Words: When COG False Prophets Try And Cover Up Their Failures

 

The following letter was on Exit and Support Network and is about how Gerald Flurry is trying with all his might to cover up his uttered false prophecies. The author's term of "weasel words" is quite accurate. Armstrongist leaders and false prophets have been well-documented for the lies and false prophecies they have uttered, starting with Herbert Armstrong and Gerald Waterhouse. See: Herbert W Armstrong's Prophetic Record.

This is not limited to Gerald Flurry, though. Bob Thiel does this constantly. Dave Pack does this on a daily hourly basis as everything he utters is invalidated a few hours later by some new vision or brain fart. Then there is Ron Weinland! Has there ever been a bigger liar and failure than him? Oh, wait, there is Alton Billingsley. He is like all of the resident whack-a-doodle COG prophets all wrapped up into one.

GF Backpedaling and Using Weasel Words:

November 20, 2024

Many already know that Gerald Flurry (who labels himself a ‘prophet’) dogmatically stated, “a Joe Biden presidency is contrary to Bible prophecy.” That statement should have been the end of the PCG as a “church” and the end of this letter.

But since the election of Trump, he’s now backpedaling and digging in deeper.

His latest article in the November 14, 2024 Trumpet (“Trump Victory: Fulfilled Prophecy!”) is full of weasel words that you won’t find any prophet using in the Bible. Case in point:

“I know these prophecies will be fulfilled, I am 99.9 percent sure my understanding of them is correct, and anyone can prove them!”

After dogmatically telling the membership from the pulpit and in writing for years that he is a prophet and God speaks to him, this article walks back previously incorrect “prophecies” by downgrading the language–Flurry is now just a news forecaster. GF writes:

“This has been one of my consistent forecasts, based on Bible prophecy, over the past four years.”

It’s remarkable that a man who tells PCG members that he is a prophet (amongst other titles) won’t state in unequivocal and detailed terms exactly what the prophecy is that God revealed to him: there is always an “out” and always use of weasel words.

Another turn in messaging that no member will admit to: for almost the entire existence of the PCG they claimed America was in an unrecoverable downwards spiral that would end in the Tribulation, slavery and captivity “within three to five years” (something they then rescheduled at the end of every three to five year timeline with a new twist). This new, politically-oriented fascination with Trump is a complete and 180-degree pivot from that messaging. GF writes:

“Prophecy says that Donald Trump is going to lead a resurgence in America.”

The PCG has NEVER prophesied about a “resurgence.” So, were they wrong then, or now? And if it was a prophecy, was God not aware of what was going on?

It couldn’t be clearer that Flurry is just making things up as he goes along and shoe-horning political figures into “Bible prophecy.” After all, he’s done this historically with “the strong man of Europe”; previous Popes, the identity of the King of the South and other assigning of Bible roles and titles, all of which had to be revised.

The Bible is full of admonitions about false prophets, and a self-proclaimed prophet only needs to be wrong ONCE to be discredited.

God is not the author of confusion; he doesn’t have to “revise” or provide “clearer understanding” of His prophecies. As a former member, I’m ashamed of the members of this “church” that have laid both common sense and understanding of the Bible at the doorstep as they continue to support this nonsense. –E. L.