Friday, June 1, 2012

Dave Pack: I Know More About Prophets Than Anyone On Earth Today Which Leads Me To Teach You The Truth About The Only True Prophet - Me!



When pigs start flying we will know Dave Pack is worth listening to.



Dave Pack, God's greatest gift to humanity, wants you to know that through much prayer and Bible study he discovered that he is a TRUE Prophet of God.  Therefore, it is his duty to teach YOU that truth.

When pigs fly......



A final thought: Circumstances forced me to research and come to much more fully understand the office of prophet than anyone else ­today. This extensive process has allowed me to teach you the truth of that ­office—from the Bible and ­from what Mr. Armstrong taught. The result in part became the books I Will Send Elijah to Restore All Things and Is “That Prophet” Alive Today? – The Rise of False Prophets, as well as portions of The Government of God – Understanding Offices and Duties. Mr. Armstrong spoke often of how Christ had carefully trained him. All of this has helped prepare—train—me to understand how my office will someday interact with the two final prophets Christ will select and train within this ­Church!

So why is Dave blabbering on about this?  He wants you to know that since he is a prophet that he is also an apostle.  As an apostle the two witnesses will have to answer to him.

Think for a moment. During the period when the Worldwide Church of God was on track, none ever doubted that the Two Witnesses would come from inside it. No one thought for a second that they would come from any place outside where Christ was leading. No one ever speculated that they would come from Sardis, an era outside Philadelphia, let alone from any of the WCG’s many earlier little rebellious offshoots that had developed over time. Laodicea is in at least as bad and possibly worse shape than was Sardis when Mr. Armstrong ­left it. All of its groups are also in worse shape than the little offshoots of the liberal 1970s.
Yet, as we have seen, these two final prophets must also report to an apostle to be consistent with what the Bible reveals and Mr. Armstrong understood. This means that there must have been another apostle trained and sent at the end of the age, and that he must be in The Restored Church of ­God.

That is the case! This is a bold statement. Is it true? Make absolutely no mistake in this, regarding your personal responsibility to get the facts in this matter. It is for the reader to examine and determine the truth of ­this—­to see whether Christ has given the office of apostle, based on the fruits, or if I have taken this office and authority to myself. What are the facts, the evidence, the proofs of such an office? You should demand such. Scores of thousands of God’s people once professed to know an apostle when they saw one. What, if anything, has changed your thinking? (You are encouraged to examine the sermon series in the Splinter Explanation Packet titled “21st-Century Apostle,” as well as those explaining the Watchman and Messenger roles.)
Over the decades in the Worldwide Church of God literally hundreds of men (and a few women) have descended on Pasadena or the church claiming they were apostles, prophets, or one of the two witnesses.  Our latest morons to do this was Ron Weinland and his wife. But have no fear, Dave is here to complete that circle.  His church, and his church alone will pop out the two witless witnesses.  Oh happy day.......

Let me repeat: I state without apology and with God’s authority that both of the Two Witnesses will be members of The Restored Church of God! There is no doubt! (Again, the popular theory that one will be Philadelphian and one will be Laodicean is silly at best, ludicrous at worst. Amos 3:3 declares this much!) It cannot be known whether these men are in The Restored Church of God yet, but if not, they will have to come here, and must do this well before the Tribulation, and well before learning they have been selected by Christ for great responsibility. We saw that I Corinthians 12:27-28 makes absolutely clear that they will ­not—­actually cannot!—be given their offices when they are outside the Body of Christ!

Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Ron Weinland: "God has given me prophetic interpretation and additional prophecy not mentioned in scriptures."



Epically embarrassed and ridiculed false prophet Ron Weinland has delivered another message to his followers justifying his latest epic failure in prophecy.  As we all well know, considering the track record in Armstrongism on how leaders justify failed utterances, Ron is seriously back peddling.  According to Ron, Jesus Christ did not return physically but is here prophetically.

The day of Pentecost, 2012, will prove to be most important to the return of Jesus Christ. As a prophet, God gives to me prophetic interpretation and additional prophecy not previously given in scripture. He does not do it all at one time, but in a “progressive” manner, as in a “building” process that involves a growing revelation of His will. That has been the case with how God has led His prophets throughout the ages. Because of this, that which has been spoken by the prophets has never been the “complete” and final revelation of a matter until it is God’s time to actually bring a prophecy to the actual moment of fulfillment—to be made manifest. This has always given critics and non-believers ample room to twist and mock what they do not understand in prophecy.

Apparently God was to stupid to give Ron all the information he needed before he made his prophetic utterances causing Ron to look like a fool.

So in many respects, my job as a prophet is simple, since I speak and write what God gives to me. As with prophets throughout time, I do not always understand what God has given until He reveals more. People expect that a prophet somehow knows everything. Read the stories of prophets and you will quickly learn that they did not “know” all that God had given to them. Jesus Christ was the only exception and even he did not tell all that he knew.


 Many do not believe in Church eras. Most all believe that the apostasy (a falling away from the truth) of 2 Thessalonians 2 has not happened, and they believe that the Pope is the “son of perdition.” They don’t grasp the most basic truth, that this is speaking of a person, Joseph Tkach, Sr., who was “set in authority” (Gk. usage of “set”) over the earthly ministry of the Church. Because this man turned against the truths of God and led the Church into this prophetic “falling away” of the Church, he became the “man of sin” and the “son of perdition” who betrayed the spiritual pastor of the Church, Jesus Christ. The actions of this man far outweighed the sin and description in God’s word concerning the first physical betrayal of Jesus Christ by Judas Iscariot. The spiritual betrayal by Joseph Tkach, Sr., was many times worse than the physical betrayal by Judas.

Weinerdude goes on to say that the only people who believe him are his loyal followers:

Who believes what I have said as God’s prophet and end-time apostle to God’s Church? It is only those who support and/or are part of the physical organization of the Church of God – PKG. May 27, 2012, stated as the day of Christ’s return, is looked upon by all others as foolishness and proof that I have been wrong and indeed evidence I am not a true prophet of God. These same people did not believe this before and now they have only become more emboldened in their own spirit of “correctness.”

Then he is a little ticked that people claim he is "spiritualizing" the coming of Jesus Christ

May 27th has come and gone, so how can I say this is still the day of Christ’s return? The answer is a matter of God’s revelation which is spiritual in nature, but having a definite physical outcome. It is prophetic. I did not know that when I stated this was the “day” of Christ’s coming. I viewed it in a physical manner until God revealed that it was spiritual. In the Pentecost sermon (given May 27th), it was clearly revealed that the job of the two witnesses had now come to an end. It ended at the end of the weekly Sabbath of the 26th, after the completion of the time God gave for their “witness” to be fulfilled, which was for a period of 1260 days.

That commission of that phase of God’s work is now complete, just as Herbert W. Armstrong’s commission (Mat. 24:14) became complete at the end of the era of Philadelphia after he died. Now that the job of two witnesses is complete, there is one final phase of God’s work to be accomplished before His Son literally returns as King of kings. Then how is it that one can say May 27th is the “day” of His coming and still be true? The answer is exciting and inspiring to those who believe God, and it is nonsense to those who do not believe God. It is just that simple!
Ron then goes on to say how his job as the Witness is over, his job as a prophet and apostle continues on. It is also time now for all the predictions he made in his book 2008 - God's Final Witness to be made manifest.  They will all come true just as Ron said they would:

Though my job is complete as one of God’s end-time witnesses, my job as a prophet and apostle continues. Those things written in 2008 – God’s Final Witness will now be made manifest to this world as a matter of God’s own direct work. The time of being a “witness” before God is complete, and as in the past 6,000 years, no one believes God save those few whom God has specifically called and given to “see” His words.

Ron warns that since his physical part it is over, it is now God's turn!  A warning to all his mockers.  God is now directing him personally with the words that flow from his mouth.

Now it is God’s turn—Gods “time”—to deal with a disbelieving world! God’s day has come and it is the day of Christ’s coming.

 Jesus Christ did not rerun physically but came "prophetically."  Say what?

The last of prophecy (final prophecy) that God has given in this 6,000 year period of time has been replicated in a work that God gave His two end-time witnesses to represent over the short period of 3 ½ years. The vast accumulation of end-time prophecy recorded throughout 6,000 years of history is magnified in the book, 2008 – God’s Final Witness.

As God inspired what was recorded in this book, He also revealed the date He wanted the world to have that would be the time of His Son coming to earth as King of kings. It is a prophetic day that God gave. It was the day of Pentecost, 2012. But, we were not told by God that this was a prophetic day, so we prepared for a literal one-day event on a physical plane. May 27, 2012, has come and gone, but it is the prophetic day of Christ’s coming.

Ron goes on to ridicule those that mock him.  He is doing his "god's work" and not his own so be very clear in that!

People can chide, ridicule and condemn all they like, and I understand their frustration and disbelief. But I can only give what God has given to me. That is my job. For those who believe God, we follow where ever and how ever He leads. We continue to “move forward” in the “way” God is leading us.

Ron claims we are in the time just like Ezekiel lived in when people mocked and made fun of the prophets.

In Ezekiel, God declares that the time will come when people will no longer be able to say that what He has spoken through His prophets “has failed” or that it is “prolonged” (for a time yet future). This is exactly what has happened over the past few years, especially as time grew closer to May 27, 2012.

The Church that was scattered has indeed made many declarations concerning what is written in 2008 – God’s Final Witness, which is from God through one of His prophets. It has been readily repeated that “all that is written has failed.” There are Thunders and there are Trumpets that have not yet sounded. So the conclusion of others is that I am not a prophet and all prophecy has failed.
 Ron isn't a man of God so why would anyone fear mocking him?

Ron still assumes Jesus Christ came down to earth on May 27th:

The day of Pentecost (May 27, 2012) that the Church has just observed is the “day” of Christ’s coming, just as God said it would be. But this “day” is prophetic.
Remember in Armstrongism how a "day" can have multiple meanings.  A "day" can equal a literal 24 hour period of times or a year.  Weinerdude claims that since  Jesus Christ returned on May 27th the "day" is in reality a "prophetic year."  So Jesus Christ will be made manifest on Pentecost 2013.

This “Day of the Lord” is a prophetic day that has a duration of a full year in its fulfillment. It began on Pentecost of 2012 and it will end on Pentecost of 2013. God has revealed that May 27, 2012 was the “prophetic day” for the return of His Son as King of kings. It will take one year to become fulfilled.  This is as true as the prophecy of Christ being cut-off in the midst of the week, within three and one-half days from the beginning of his ministry. That three and one-half days lasted a full three and one-half years to become fulfilled.

Ron still has a beef with his critics.  We seem to really get under his thin skin.

There are many people who simply “hate” such prophetic declarations because they hate God’s ways. The things written in 2008 – God’s Final Witness are not a matter of my own ideas or my ways, but they are from God to one of His prophets. Those who hate God also hate His prophets and perceive them, their actions, and their words as arrogance and pride. I cannot help that and wish it were not so. Being on the receiving end of hate and mockery is not an enjoyable position to be in. However, I gladly accept all that God gives me to share in that works to glorify Him and His Son.

None of God’s prophets and none of God’s people can prove to others what is true and from God. That is God’s job! He declares He will do that, and for people living at this end-time, He will do so throughout the prophetic “Day of the Lord” that will be fulfilled throughout the year from Pentecost to Pentecost. Now the Thunders of Revelation will become progressively louder and the Trumpets of Revelation will sound within this year. Only God can prove His own words to mankind. The First Trumpet began to sound on December 14, 2008, and now the rest are soon to follow.

Ron ends his missive with this warning that God is going to prove his words correct.  God is only going to deliver 63,000 people who were baptized before Joe Tkach took over the church.  Out of the billions in the world, these pre-1994 converts are the sole heirs to the kingdom that Ron's god is bring into place.

God says of the two-witnesses that He will make them to “stand” in the sight of others. God will prove the words and work He has given through them. This is true for the entirety of God’s Church, as the two-witnesses reflect God’s work through all His people at this end-time. He will make all His people to “stand” in the sight of all others in this world—in His time and in His own way.

God will make His words to “stand” in the sight of all living on this earth. God has a plan to deliver millions into His new age that is coming—into the millennial reign of His Son over all the earth. Over this prophetic “Day of the Lord,” God is also going to offer deliverance to 63,000 people who were baptized before the apostasy of 1994. However, this also means that throughout this “prophetic day” that God will shake His scattered Church throughout this following year by the death of 7,000 specifically named by Him who will not be allowed to live on into the Millennium.

God’s final day has now begun!

Yeah right.



Garner Ted Melodies "Consider the Lilies" and "Jerusalem" UPDATED


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Nothing makes one warm and fuzzy like listening to old recordings of Garner Ted sinning singing.  I remember hearing him sing when I was little at one of the Feast sites we went to.  Then after coming to Pasadena I got to see him sing all the time.  His last recording was made with the Young Ambassadors with him posing with his Model T on the mall in front of the Auditorium.  Soon after this Big Daddy kicked him out of the church at the instigation of Rod Meredith.

Ted certainly left a path of destruction with abusive teachings (child rearing) and false doctrines, but say what you will about GTA, he certainly lived life to the fullest.  He was a hunter, a gambler, smoked, drank, swore like the sailor he was, liked old cars, was a  licensed pilot, vain as could be and liked his women.  Compare that to the prissy, tight assed little men like Rod Meredith and Gerald Waterhouse.  Rod who claims to have never committed a major sin since baptism and closet case Gerald spouting thousands of lies and false prophecies.  It does not take much to see who was really the more authentic person of the three.

Listen to a 1958 recording of GTA sing "The Lilies of the Field" and screw up the intro to "Jerusalem"



GTA Sings "I Did It My Way"  Kind of his epitaph.