Epically embarrassed and ridiculed false prophet Ron Weinland has delivered another message to his followers justifying his latest epic failure in prophecy. As we all well know, considering the track record in Armstrongism on how leaders justify failed utterances, Ron is seriously back peddling. According to Ron,
The day of Pentecost, 2012, will prove to be most important to the return of Jesus Christ. As a prophet, God gives to me prophetic interpretation and additional prophecy not previously given in scripture. He does not do it all at one time, but in a “progressive” manner, as in a “building” process that involves a growing revelation of His will. That has been the case with how God has led His prophets throughout the ages. Because of this, that which has been spoken by the prophets has never been the “complete” and final revelation of a matter until it is God’s time to actually bring a prophecy to the actual moment of fulfillment—to be made manifest. This has always given critics and non-believers ample room to twist and mock what they do not understand in prophecy.
Apparently God was to stupid to give Ron all the information he needed before he made his prophetic utterances causing Ron to look like a fool.
So in many respects, my job as a prophet is simple, since I speak and write what God gives to me. As with prophets throughout time, I do not always understand what God has given until He reveals more. People expect that a prophet somehow knows everything. Read the stories of prophets and you will quickly learn that they did not “know” all that God had given to them. Jesus Christ was the only exception and even he did not tell all that he knew.
Many do not believe in Church eras. Most all believe that the apostasy (a falling away from the truth) of 2 Thessalonians 2 has not happened, and they believe that the Pope is the “son of perdition.” They don’t grasp the most basic truth, that this is speaking of a person, Joseph Tkach, Sr., who was “set in authority” (Gk. usage of “set”) over the earthly ministry of the Church. Because this man turned against the truths of God and led the Church into this prophetic “falling away” of the Church, he became the “man of sin” and the “son of perdition” who betrayed the spiritual pastor of the Church, Jesus Christ. The actions of this man far outweighed the sin and description in God’s word concerning the first physical betrayal of Jesus Christ by Judas Iscariot. The spiritual betrayal by Joseph Tkach, Sr., was many times worse than the physical betrayal by Judas.
Weinerdude goes on to say that the only people who believe him are his loyal followers:
Who believes what I have said as God’s prophet and end-time apostle to God’s Church? It is only those who support and/or are part of the physical organization of the Church of God – PKG. May 27, 2012, stated as the day of Christ’s return, is looked upon by all others as foolishness and proof that I have been wrong and indeed evidence I am not a true prophet of God. These same people did not believe this before and now they have only become more emboldened in their own spirit of “correctness.”
Then he is a little ticked that people claim he is "spiritualizing" the coming of
May 27th has come and gone, so how can I say this is still the day of Christ’s return? The answer is a matter of God’s revelation which is spiritual in nature, but having a definite physical outcome. It is prophetic. I did not know that when I stated this was the “day” of Christ’s coming. I viewed it in a physical manner until God revealed that it was spiritual. In the Pentecost sermon (given May 27th), it was clearly revealed that the job of the two witnesses had now come to an end. It ended at the end of the weekly Sabbath of the 26th, after the completion of the time God gave for their “witness” to be fulfilled, which was for a period of 1260 days.Ron then goes on to say how his job as the Witness is over, his job as a prophet and apostle continues on. It is also time now for all the predictions he made in his book 2008 - God's Final Witness to be made manifest. They will all come true just as Ron said they would:
That commission of that phase of God’s work is now complete, just as Herbert W. Armstrong’s commission (Mat. 24:14) became complete at the end of the era of Philadelphia after he died. Now that the job of two witnesses is complete, there is one final phase of God’s work to be accomplished before His Son literally returns as King of kings. Then how is it that one can say May 27th is the “day” of His coming and still be true? The answer is exciting and inspiring to those who believe God, and it is nonsense to those who do not believe God. It is just that simple!
Though my job is complete as one of God’s end-time witnesses, my job as a prophet and apostle continues. Those things written in 2008 – God’s Final Witness will now be made manifest to this world as a matter of God’s own direct work. The time of being a “witness” before God is complete, and as in the past 6,000 years, no one believes God save those few whom God has specifically called and given to “see” His words.
Ron warns that since his physical part it is over, it is now God's turn! A warning to all his mockers. God is now directing him personally with the words that flow from his mouth.
Now it is God’s turn—Gods “time”—to deal with a disbelieving world! God’s day has come and it is the day of Christ’s coming.
The last of prophecy (final prophecy) that God has given in this 6,000 year period of time has been replicated in a work that God gave His two end-time witnesses to represent over the short period of 3 ½ years. The vast accumulation of end-time prophecy recorded throughout 6,000 years of history is magnified in the book, 2008 – God’s Final Witness.
As God inspired what was recorded in this book, He also revealed the date He wanted the world to have that would be the time of His Son coming to earth as King of kings. It is a prophetic day that God gave. It was the day of Pentecost, 2012. But, we were not told by God that this was a prophetic day, so we prepared for a literal one-day event on a physical plane. May 27, 2012, has come and gone, but it is the prophetic day of Christ’s coming.
Ron goes on to ridicule those that mock him. He is doing his "god's work" and not his own so be very clear in that!
People can chide, ridicule and condemn all they like, and I understand their frustration and disbelief. But I can only give what God has given to me. That is my job. For those who believe God, we follow where ever and how ever He leads. We continue to “move forward” in the “way” God is leading us.
Ron claims we are in the time just like Ezekiel lived in when people mocked and made fun of the prophets.
In Ezekiel, God declares that the time will come when people will no longer be able to say that what He has spoken through His prophets “has failed” or that it is “prolonged” (for a time yet future). This is exactly what has happened over the past few years, especially as time grew closer to May 27, 2012.Ron isn't a man of God so why would anyone fear mocking him?
The Church that was scattered has indeed made many declarations concerning what is written in 2008 – God’s Final Witness, which is from God through one of His prophets. It has been readily repeated that “all that is written has failed.” There are Thunders and there are Trumpets that have not yet sounded. So the conclusion of others is that I am not a prophet and all prophecy has failed.
Ron still assumes
The day of Pentecost (May 27, 2012) that the Church has just observed is the “day” of Christ’s coming, just as God said it would be. But this “day” is prophetic.Remember in Armstrongism how a "day" can have multiple meanings. A "day" can equal a literal 24 hour period of times or a year. Weinerdude claims that since
This “Day of the Lord” is a prophetic day that has a duration of a full year in its fulfillment. It began on Pentecost of 2012 and it will end on Pentecost of 2013. God has revealed that May 27, 2012 was the “prophetic day” for the return of His Son as King of kings. It will take one year to become fulfilled. This is as true as the prophecy of Christ being cut-off in the midst of the week, within three and one-half days from the beginning of his ministry. That three and one-half days lasted a full three and one-half years to become fulfilled.
Ron still has a beef with his critics. We seem to really get under his thin skin.
There are many people who simply “hate” such prophetic declarations because they hate God’s ways. The things written in 2008 – God’s Final Witness are not a matter of my own ideas or my ways, but they are from God to one of His prophets. Those who hate God also hate His prophets and perceive them, their actions, and their words as arrogance and pride. I cannot help that and wish it were not so. Being on the receiving end of hate and mockery is not an enjoyable position to be in. However, I gladly accept all that God gives me to share in that works to glorify Him and His Son.
None of God’s prophets and none of God’s people can prove to others what is true and from God. That is God’s job! He declares He will do that, and for people living at this end-time, He will do so throughout the prophetic “Day of the Lord” that will be fulfilled throughout the year from Pentecost to Pentecost. Now the Thunders of Revelation will become progressively louder and the Trumpets of Revelation will sound within this year. Only God can prove His own words to mankind. The First Trumpet began to sound on December 14, 2008, and now the rest are soon to follow.
Ron ends his missive with this warning that God is going to prove his words correct. God is only going to deliver 63,000 people who were baptized before Joe Tkach took over the church. Out of the billions in the world, these pre-1994 converts are the sole heirs to the kingdom that Ron's god is bring into place.
God says of the two-witnesses that He will make them to “stand” in the sight of others. God will prove the words and work He has given through them. This is true for the entirety of God’s Church, as the two-witnesses reflect God’s work through all His people at this end-time. He will make all His people to “stand” in the sight of all others in this world—in His time and in His own way.
God will make His words to “stand” in the sight of all living on this earth. God has a plan to deliver millions into His new age that is coming—into the millennial reign of His Son over all the earth. Over this prophetic “Day of the Lord,” God is also going to offer deliverance to 63,000 people who were baptized before the apostasy of 1994. However, this also means that throughout this “prophetic day” that God will shake His scattered Church throughout this following year by the death of 7,000 specifically named by Him who will not be allowed to live on into the Millennium.
God’s final day has now begun!
Yeah right.
13 comments:
Ron Weinland notes, "There are many people who simply “hate” such prophetic declarations because they hate God’s ways"
No Ron, we don't hate prophetic declarations (though I personally believe prophecy is mostly bunk and the human need to think everything is in control.)
What we intensely dislike is the way you manipulate people with your doublespeak. Of course, those who listen to you are responsible for themselves, but it's obvious you have no clue what is going on or what any God is doing.
We hate that you and people like you make it up as you duck and weave in whatever direction you have to go to appear to still be in the game.
Nothing you have said has occurred as you first envisioned it. That is your fault, not any God revealing more awesomeness to you as you string others and yourself along.
We hate the one man show that assumes the one knows more than the many.
We hate that you now can cease being a Witness but now can play with prophet and Apsotle. We hate that when you are no longer a prophet, you will still want to be an Apostle. We assume when you being and apostle is over you will drop down through evangelist, pastor, preaching elder, elder, deacon, deaconess and finally a YOU member, because it's all about YOU anyway isn't it Ron...
Nothing in this world is happening because of you, including you or having anything to do with you. If you see yourself in the scriptures may I suggest medications instead of congregations.
We hate that you are a mere Bible reader, like Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, Rod Meredith and all those that flip back and forth in a Book you have no clue about as to origins and errancy issues.
We hate your stupid prooftexting and making scriptures mean what they never meant. We hate that you don't understand that sanctimonious errors are still errors, or that pious conviction with marginal information is good thing.
We hate that you , like the others who pretend to know what they have no clue about are lost in your own minds and self absorbed to the detriment of others.
We hate your maneuverings and meanderings.
We don't hate you. We resent what you think you stand for and that you think you have an inside view that no others have.
We hate that you probably have never read a book outside of your own writings and outside your own homegrown meme in the past 20 years.
We hate you live a life of ease and travel anywhere you want to go to give sermons that could just as easily been sent in the mail or just replay the last one you gave because they all sound the same anyway.
Any stress you feel is well earned and self generated. The reason people scoff is because of the reasons you provide to do so.
We don't really hate you. I don't believe in that personally. We hate what you stand for and that is the 2000 year old con game called religion, run by the guy who elevates himself above others, ordains himself every goofy title that Dave Pack hasn't already taken for himself.
You're just like the Apostle Paul who is called an Apostle 24 times in the NT . 22 of them it Paul calling himself one and the other 2 are Luke being his propagandist. NO ONE ELSE IN THE NT thinks or thought Paul was an Apostle and we doubt you are one either. I guess we hate you layiing hands on yourself.
Warm regards
PS All that to say Ron is that you are a prophet in reverse only. You see where you have been, then remember what you have said and then readjust it to keep you going forward. Nice work if you can get it and keep the brain dead coming back for more errors, misunderstandings and goofs.
You make any real Deity look like a lame fool that also can't seem to speak up, mean what is said and bring it to pass.
You need to have a good long talk with yourself, or your wife to encourage you to do so before it all blows to hell and you are remembered only for your stubborn foolishness and excuse making theology.
Join the real world Ron. Get out of your head and self centered theology. Its is a path stewn with more wreakage than Wonderful World Tomorrow flowers
Danger to himself and others.
'nuf said.
Ron's like the child's game of cowboys and Indians.
The children all take the role of one or the other over the course of time..
While professing to accept the inerrancy of the bible and its prophecies, RW has rationalized away all the prophecies which he's ascribed a timing to. The rise of the beast power, the man of sin, the great tribulation, the work of the two witnesses, their death and resurrection, the return of Jesus Christ. Nothing has happened when he said it would in the way the scriptures say it will. Instead of doing the honorable thing, which even Harold Camping did (eventually) of ADMITTING HE WAS WRONG, RW spiritualizes everything away, insisting he is still right, despite the fact NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. What will RW say when, once again, nothing happens by Pentecost 2013? Will he say the "day" of the Lord is over, Jesus is here now, and the world has been transformed into a millennial utopia already? (Isn't it great? If you have the "spiritual" eyes to "see" it.) RW obviously has huge balls to still claim he is right even though all the evidence points to him being wrong. How long will stupid people continue to give this jackass their money?
I don't know. Even at Embarrassing College in the middle of the '60s, if someone had come up with half the stuff Weinerdude has dished out, we would have thought them either to be demon possessed, or possibly a chronic masturbator.
But, kiddie kiddies, don't mock! The bears might come after you or the eaglet might peck out your eyes! And, I'm sure he could come up with any number of other misapplications of scripture to threaten us with! All of them do that, just as the original author of the flog log taught them.
BB
Ron's made his own bed.
He goes on and on about what God is doing. These aren't theories, or speculations. He presumes to speak for God, saying that God has told him this or that.
Fair enough, Ron. Good luck with that. Because, if you're wrong, you're the one who gets to answer to the Almighty.
Cheers.
Anonymous, I don't think Weinland's got "huge balls" he's got none at all! He's such a loser that he's not even man enough to admit when he's been wrong! At least Camping resigned after apologizing for his mistakes and misleading his followers. Weinland's a fool to himself and a burden to others!
Ron Weinland believes that the man of sin has been revealed to him to be none other than Joe Tkach Senior?
Ron said: [...Many do not believe in Church eras. Most all believe that the apostasy (a falling away from the truth) of 2 Thessalonians 2 has not happened, and they believe that the Pope is the “son of perdition.” They don’t grasp the most basic truth, that this is speaking of a person, Joseph Tkach, Sr., who was “set in authority” (Gk. usage of “set”) over the earthly ministry of the Church. Because this man turned against the truths of God and led the Church into this prophetic “falling away” of the Church, he became the “man of sin” and the “son of perdition” who betrayed the spiritual pastor of the Church, Jesus Christ. The actions of this man far outweighed the sin and description in God’s word concerning the first physical betrayal of Jesus Christ by Judas Iscariot. The spiritual betrayal by Joseph Tkach, Sr., was many times worse than the physical betrayal by Judas...]
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" 2 Thess 2:3
So, yes, the man of sin would be revealed at some point in time, but was it Joe Tkach Senior? Why would Christ reveal that to Ron Weinland? It sounds stupid!
What is another characteristic(s) of that man of sin?
"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." 2 Thess 2:4
That does not sound like any Joe Tkach Senior by any stretch of the imagination.
At least the Bible contains some descriptions of angels as men, and based upon the following verses, I'd rather conclude that the man of sin is none other than Satan:
Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Hey, Ron, have you ever considered yourSELF to be that "man of sin?"
You appear to be confused about the identities of God the Father, Christ His Son, the man of sin.......and, of course, perhaps most of all yourSELF, which appears to have a big head!
Confusion? Then there is your description of the "Day of the LORD!" Go read all of the verses in context surrounding that phrase "Day of the LORD," because it sounds more like things that would happen on this earth AFTER Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit...and not BEFORE...when Satan knows that he really has a short time left to deceive humanity!
John
My guess is that either Ron is totally out of his noodle, or he's a calculated lying schmuck.
My guess doesn't really matter, although it's the latter, and would put him in with the lying, jerkwad money-grubbing preachers on Christian TV, like on Daystar, TBN, and God TV.(You know, those Christian TV networks which are doing such an awesome job of getting out the awesome gospel message of how amazing it is to have a personal relationship with 'Lying Moneygrubbing Homophobic Scumbag Jesus'!)
And unfortunately, Ronald McWeinland gives good clowns a bad name, although thankfully, he's not even a famous clown.
Someone should tell Ronald Weinland that his daughter giving him blow jobs does not make him specialer than the other clowns.
Norm
"Ron Weinland believes that the man of sin has been revealed to him to be none other than Joe Tkach Senior?"
Believing that all end-time bible prophecies center directly around WCG (and it's many splinters) is typical COG thinking. Everyone starts out believing they are the center of the universe (importance). Looking at such unfounded, childish assumptions through adult eyes makes them appear silly.
Herb was bad enough with his nutty theology and prophetic prognostications, but these pretenders to his throne, from Meredith and Pack to Weinland, etc. are just plain ludicrous. At least Herb stuck to trying to expand the inanities in Scripture. These guys go so far afield that it makes Herb look absolutely like a towering giant of plausibility by comparison.
The farther down the ACOGS descend, the more desperate become their attempts and the more lucicrous become their claims. I never dreamed it could descend to such depths. It's a veritable black hole of stupidity.
Well, people like Weinland seem to believe they'll be included one day in new chapters of the book of Acts. More likely, they'll be in added chapters to "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."
Weinerdude long ago forgot about concepts such as shame and embarrassment.
BB
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