Dennis On: "If I HAD to Choose A Church"

If I HAD to Choose a Church

I miss church.  Well not the formal church or the sit for two hours church.  I don't miss the one man show church or the "we only," church.  But I do miss church.  Maybe I more miss the coherent and intelligent discussion of all things theological or being in a place where one can teach and be taught what the Bible really means, who actually said it and why.  I'd like an open minded church .  In all my days growing up in the Presbyterian Church not once was there any controversy over what the Bible meant or where you went to church.  Not one person got turned over to Satan, wished well and hoped they repented.  No secret groups wanting this or that taught or not taught lurked at church picnics or in the parking lot.  You never lost your good friends to new truths or the shenanigans of others messing with your life. 

But it would have to be a church where people are allowed to think and believe as they wish. After all, beliefs are not necessarily truths.  There are some things I'd have to be able to believe until it either seemed totally true over time or not as true, just leave me alone.  There would have to be room for discussion and disagreement with no ill will towards others intended.  I suppose the members and ministers would have to be willing to be challenged , questioned and even ill informed until shown otherwise.  I'd have to work on being that myself.  But turning you over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh  would have to be out of bounds.

So, what would be an ideal church for me.  I can't speak for you of course. 

On the plus side, if I had to go with a group, it would be a Sabbatarian one.  If you're going to use the Bible then it doesn't take an Einstein to see that the founding fathers of the church, which I am pretty sure Gospel Jesus never intended to start in his story, would be Jewish Christians who saw Jesus as an extension of Judaism and cleaning it up a bit .  I can go with clean and unclean meats but have never heard much of a real reason why one kind is physically better than the other.  Holy days pointing to this or that possibility seem much more logical from a Biblical perspective than Solstices and Equinoxes pointing to the actual origins of Christ-mas and East-er, but I also think Solstices and Equinoxes are kinda cool since they are the origins of the Pauline/Gentile/What you got today Sunday church practices.   One the other hand, I'd have to recognize that the Sabbath did not originate with the Hebrews or any God "resting" (do God's rest?) on the Seventh Day.  It is a Hebrew spin on a Sumerian tale where the God's first rested after they drown the worker bee humans who made too much noise.  Long story.

It would need to be a group that was heavy on Gospel Jesus, ignoring the failed prophecy of Revelation Jesus and totally unconnected the Pauline Christ.  Gotta pick one. Can't have all three.  Gospel Jesus would never have recognized Pauline Christ and Peter, James and whole rioting cities evidently did not either. In short , the perspective of the Apostle Paul on the real meaning , as if he knew, born of hallucinations in the mind of a man that never once met or quotes Jesus would have to go. 

Christ or Paul?, the Rev. V.A. Holmes-Gore wrote: 

"Let the reader contrast the true Christian standard with that of Paul and he will see the terrible betrayal of all that the Master taught....For the surest way to betray a great Teacher is to misrepresent his message....That is what Paul and his followers did, and because the Church has followed Paul in his error it has failed lamentably to redeem the world....The teachings given by the blessed Master Christ, which the disciples John and Peter and James, the brother of the Master, tried in vain to defend and preserve intact were as utterly opposed to the Pauline Gospel as the light is opposed to the darkness."

 Ernest Renan, in his book Saint Paul, wrote:

 "True Christianity, which will last forever, comes from the gospel words of Christ not from the epistles of Paul. The writings of Paul have been a danger and a hidden rock. the causes of the principal defects of Christian theology."

Rudolf Bultman, one of the most respected theologians of this century, wrote in his Significance of the Historical Jesus for the Theology of Paul:

 "It is most obvious that Paul does not appeal to the words of the Lord in support of his....views. when the essentially Pauline conceptions are considered, it is clear that Paul is not dependent on Jesus. 

Jesus' teaching is -- to all intents and purposes -- irrelevant for Paul."

Those Incredible Christians, Dr. High Schonfield reports:

 "It was not only the teaching and activities of Paul which made him obnoxious to the Christian leaders: but their awareness that he set his revelations above their authority and claimed an intimacy with the mind of Jesus, greater than that of those who had companied with him on earth and had been chosen by him....It was an abomination, especially as his ideas were so contrary to what they knew of Jesus, that he should pose as the embodiment of the Messiah 's will....Paul was seen as the demon-driven enemy of the Messiah....For the legitimate Church, Paul was a dangerous and disruptive influence, bent on enlisting a large following among the Gentiles in order to provide himself with a numerical superiority with the support of which he could set at defiance the Elders at Jerusalem. Paul had been the enemy from the beginning. and because he failed in his former open hostility he had craftily insinuated himself into the fold to destroy it from within."

I know it is almost incomprehensible to think of a Christian faith without Paul, but the evidence of Paul as the author of current gentile Christianity verses the understanding the real (or imagined) disciples of Jesus had, and no they could not have been all that oblivious to Jesus meanings.  They are said to have spent one year (Matthew, Mark, Luke) or three (John) with Jesus and Paul is said to have had a two minute vision only he understood in his head...you choose.   Two minutes is being generous.  Paulianity is what we have today.  I am not sure it was what was intended.  Long story but you know how I feel about Paul the Mythmaker and his not so accurate use of the Old Testament to fuel his views.  The ultimate one man show I suppose I detest so much.

I'd have to find a church that believed in good science well done not "falsely so called."  That's what an insecure Christian says about science when the science actually disturbs their world view.  The universe really is 14 billion years old and earth is less than nothing in it .  Quantum physics really can inform of the nature of reality and how time and space mingle.  Maybe it is a hologram or perhaps Branes and parallel Universes are real and just out of reach, but the church can't be ignorant of these things.  They would have to know or at least be very much less rigid on the fact of evolution and what the word "theory" really means to a scientist as opposed to a fundamentalist.  The fact is that over the last 2000 years, the "Church" has always had to yield to good science well done and not the other way around of good theology well done.  Actually the two can never meet. 

They would have to lean heavily towards the understanding that humans too evolved over the last 2.5 million years and more and that modern humans are about 160,000 years old so far.  Neanderthals were successful, but not us, for about 250,000 years and others before them for 500,000 years.  And while dinos "died out" , I'd like folk to at least admit 200,000,000 years ain't bad.

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It would need to be a group that understood the difference between mythology and historical facts.  Adam and Eve would have to go and replaced with an understanding of the real intent and meaning of Genesis 1-3. I will spare you for now as I know most of you are tired of hearing it!  You might not think this all that important until you think of the misery inflicted on the masses (by the Apostle Paul and Gentile Church Fathers ) over  your stinking rotten selves due to "Original Sin" and then you might be able to free yourself from the idea that all humans are rotten and hell bound,  no matter, especially women who caused it all and therefore should shut up in church.  They would have to understand that even human Jesus would not have known Adam and Eve were not real people in real time or maybe even Moses or Abraham.  It would be a unique church for sure.  Most intelligent Rabbi's today in Judaism would admit these characters occupy a less than sure place in Jewish history. 

We'd have to understand stories like the sojourn in Egypt and the Exodus are not literally true and never could be in a dozen different ways and for hundreds of reasons.  Great metaphor maybe, but not history.  An understanding of who actually wrote the Pentateuch and why would help.  The battle between Scribes and Prophets in the OT would also be up for grabs along with "just what the heck do you mean prophecy fulfilled?"

It would be nice to chat in church or study about why the Gospels really have no harmony.  Who wrote what and why they aren't really eyewitness accounts.  Midrash, and not a form of Shingles , would have to come up a few times to explain how Matthew came up with his birth of Jesus story and Luke , who never read it, came up with his.  I like the study of why he used four loose women in the OT in his genealogy of Jesus before getting to Mary, but that's getting picky now.  "We weren't  born of fornication," and all.  A great study on why have a genealogy  in the first place when Jesus real and literal father was God would be fun. 

Finally for now, perhaps at least a tip of the hat to astro-theology as to the ultimate origins of both Sun Worship and Son Worship.  Hot topic for literalists I know but you just can't get away from it. 

Jesus being the central sun having 12 disciples who surround him and with whom he spends one year not unlike the real sun that travels in one year through the 12 signs of the zodiac seems not so far fetched to me.  It's the story of all dying godmen plain and simple.  It's a great story and an amazing tribute to the human need to know what it is all about .  The fact that the Gospel story of Jesus exactly matches the story of the Sun through the one year , one month in each sign, can't be a coincidence.  Or it is the greatest coincidence in history. As above so below and all that...   Understanding that "lo, I am with you , even unto the end of the age (not world) and Aries the Lamb (Jesus) dying and the Sun now moving into Pices the Fish (Christian Church symbol the last 2000 years) is not a coincidence.  This is an amazing story with rich detail from the Bible to support it, but alas, few care and the rest are afraid of it.    "Our God is a consuming fire....."....The Sun.

Ok, I know there is not place such as this.  Maybe a Unitarian Church but they are off in the summer.   Perhaps the more liberal Episcopal Church would do .  I attended a Catholic Mass in a large church a couple years ago and Sun symbols were everywhere so maybe that would work. 

I actually do miss church.  I miss lives to live and friends to get to know.  I miss helping when help is needed and older people who need encouragement in the last days of their lives.  I miss meaning but I don't miss meanings that don't mean what they are said to mean.  I'm crazy like that.  I don't miss most ministers.  I miss teaching but the path this whole experience has lead to leaves few who want to learn "that bullshit" as I have been told  lol.   I know it is hard to give up the Sunday School idea of the Bible, Jesus and his friends.  I still have my perfect attendance pins and bars for years of Sunday School! 

For now I will be content with:

Desiderata

 

Go placidly amid the noise and haste, 

and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others,

 even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. 

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your career, however humble; 

it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment 

it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. 

But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

 Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, 

no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations,

 in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, 

it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.

© Max Ehrmann 1927 

....but I still miss church.

denniscdiehl@AOL.com

Glynn Washington Feliz Navidad

Church of God the Eternal: Night to be Much Observed A REQUIRED Memorial and You WILL Die If You Don't Keep It!

The  Church of God the Eternal has a word of warning to those COG members and lapsed members who do not keep every jot and tittle of the organizational rules and dogmas.  God is going to get you for that!

We also have kept the Night to Be Much Observed. It is a perpetual memorial that we are commanded to observe (Exodus 13:9), and in doing so, God says that it shall be a sign. Strong's Concordance describes that sign as "a distinguishing mark." Surely it was a sign of obedience so that when the death angel passed over the children of Israel, they were protected. Every other family in Egypt suffered loss of life. So in our day, those called who continue not to participate in God's appointed places under that same sign of obedience likewise will suffer loss of life. However, this time it is their opportunity for spiritual life at stake.

As a called out Church of God member you were predestined to join the group and are required to keep all the days commanded.  By doing so you get to be a god where you can rule with that rod of iron with vengeance!

After the Passover, God immediately initiated their journey out of sin. And for those that God had made choice to bring out, it was a night to be much observed. So also for us, for whom God did predestinate to be called in our time to have the opportunity to become one of the future Sons of God, it was a night to be much observed.

Those lovely words are courtesy of David Brandenburg.