God's greatest gift to the church (after Bob Thiel, of course) is Samuel Kitchen—the self-appointed restorer of the last true remnant of the Worldwide Church of God, just did a video broadcast straight from what appears to be a red-curtain bacchanal in one of those trailers at Stateline behind the casinos on your way to Vegas (or is that the official “ripped-off photo from Pasadena headquarters from the 1980s?). And what a fashion statement our new fearless end-time watchman was as he heralded in the imminent Beast system! Red shirt to symbolize the scarlet beast and black suspenders to symbolize its two horns.
Yes, brethren. Nothing says “I am the sole authorized spokesman of the New and Improved Worldwide Church of God, holder of the sacred name, collector of tithes, owner of the greatest aggregator of COG literature since Ron Stephens, and sole possessor of the official COG decoder ring for the Bible, quite like dressing like a 1950s short-order cook on Route 66.
In this latest prophetic masterpiece titled “Donald Trump…Future Beast?” (59 whole views and counting!), our suspendered sage continues his noble quest of recycling Herbert W. Armstrong’s greatest hits—British-Israelism, Germany-as-Assyria, place of safety in Petra, the whole dusty catalog—except now he’s improvising. Apparently the classic “man from Germany” Assyrian plot twist is getting a little stale, so why not pivot mid-sentence and declare that the Beast might actually be…Donald Trump?
Half-German, half-whatever, building a great economy, auditing the nation like a cosmic receiver, and preparing to be possessed by Satan for a tidy 3½ years.
Brilliant.
Decades of meticulous Armstrongist charts proving the Beast rises from a United States of Europe just got yeeted into the Iowa cornfields because one man in suspenders had a new revelation while blabbering in front of the beastly red curtain.
The Worldwide Church of God “fell into the hands of apostates,” you see, so only Samuel can now properly warn the world that looking “across the pond” for the Beast is so 1986. Look in the backyard instead! Or the Oval Office! Or wherever the algorithm points next week!
Truly the cutting edge of 21st-century prophecy. Dave Pack, Bob Thiel and Gerald Flurry are shaking in their boots right now.
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Eat ya heart out Bob Thiel. So Trump is the man. Hmmmmmm…….Thought it was Frankie Joey Strauss lol. But he passed from the scene. Damn krauts. This news may make the Democrats a shoe in for the midterms in November. Even MAGA folk will vote blue this election cycle. And Samuel deserves to be on Fox News and CNN and good old auntie BBC. I’m sure Sam won’t be getting any invites to the WH now. Be great entertainment to see Sam and Bobby Thiel debate these heavy issues lol.
Well I can see what Kitchen see's now, he looking at it the way the JWs are looking at it. But then he could flip back to the HWA model. These are the two viewpoints:
https://youtu.be/0LCaNSOM4Jk
Months ago, someone passed through these parts and was trying to make the case for President Trump being the evil King of the North. To the extent that you can always make certain events resemble prophecy if you try hard enough, that guy had made a stronger point than the one Sam is attempting to make.
Donald Trump may have German dna, but the same Germans who are not Assyrians also make our German not Assyrian. Also, the Beast and False Prophet are globalists, and the Donald is most definitely not. The HWAcaca is that the European Beast power will be aligned with the Catholic Church and will enforce Sunday keeping on Sabbatarian Christians. Donald Trump is aligned with the Evangelicals, who believe that the US founding documents provide for freedom of religion.
My observation from the daily news is that the only major religion that is acting up around the globe, and indulging in military activities is Islam. That's a Persian, Arabic, and East Indian phenomenon. The radicals who are guiding it want to establish Sharia law around the globe, and they go to very violent extremes to impose and enforce it. Think Gaza!
The Old Testament is Israel-centric, Sam. Prophecy is written about Israel and the nations surrounding it. Ever think that that's why the radical Muslim Arabs in the news actually resemble Bible end times prophecies and the Germans and Catholic Church do not, no matter how vigorously Armstrongite ministers fan the flames???
BB
Huh? A sermon today was.......watch Germany, Europe - the Beast...
Are there any real congregations of the revamped Worldwide Church of God?
Original Mid 19th Century Adventism has the USA as the Beast Power..
nck
“My observation from the daily news is that the only major religion that is acting up around the globe, and indulging in military activities”......
That’s the major point, basically the dual system of religion along with its military and that’s not happening in Europe as of right now. No matter how bad armstrongites want to stir it up or make it happen. Sam is just looking at the military perhaps, but we do have a pope over here. Not saying, but just making an observation.
So, is Sam simply reverting to "the faith once delivered?"
The CIA was in many ways attempting to impose the American system on our enemies abroad, with high level assassinations, and regime changes. We saw this as liberation, a good thing, but I can also see how holders of the differing geopolitical views of that era could interpret us as being the Beast.
Boy Howdy! The SDAs appear to be almost as treasonous as HWA's radio broadcasts were in the heat of WW-II. Never thought I'd say this, but I wonder if he was actually co-opted by the Feds as a result of his WWII evangelistic activities. Funny thing is, the SDA's are today considered to be part of the Protestant family of Christian churches.
BB
“Forty-five years later the landscape looks less like a single healthy vine and more like a vineyard after a hurricane.”
The so-called Church of God scene now looks like the Enemy broke into the vineyard during the night and sowed hundreds of prickly, noxious WEEDS all over the place.
Nck on Sunday, August 23, 2026 at 7:50:48 AM PDT said ... “Original Mid 19th Century Adventism has the USA as the Beast Power..”
The Seventh Day Adventist church wrongly thinks that the USA is the Beast power. As a result, they tend to be suspicious of President Donald J. Trump, who is always talking about making the USA great again. Some SDAs might even vote for really bad characters instead out of their confused fear of Donald Trump.
The Fourth Beast in the biblical book of Daniel chapter 7 -- the Roman Empire and its revivals over the years -- has always been in Europe, and was blasphemously called the “Holy Roman Empire” because it was ruled over on the spiritual side by Vatican city, the great city that rules over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18).
Notice that the hopelessly confused people are calling the modern Israelite nation (the USA) the Beast power and are afraid that the “good guy” (Donald Trump) might be the Beast.
The Jehovah Witnesses also believe in the America/Britain to be the end time beast along with the SDA. I can see how those outside these nations would see it that way with the global dominance the past few centuries (when reading the end of the verse: rules over the kings of the earth -Revelation 17:18. Because when was the last time Roman system ruled over the kings of the earth. America's military and Britain's military has done so "in their eyes")
"calling the modern Israelite nation (the USA) the Beast power" Does this square with Napoleon (Beast), being a part of the French Empire (Ruben). See
You would desire America to fall for hwa's prophecies to come to pass. That's why I don't like that religion.
Yes BB.
What you call treasonous. might have been perceived by the powers that be as a "wake up call" to isolationist inward looking war weary America even before Pwarl Harbor.
HWA, was in fact on par with the government in warning about the dangers that loomed from Nazi Germany and Japan catering toward a conservative constiturncy.
In the same manner as the Califirnian gang surrounding governor Reagan mobilized Christian America toward their progressive californian candidate from Sacramento early seventies, being Ron Reagan. through all televangelist channels.
HWA waa meeting world leaders since 1947....(contrary to the after 1975 rebranding believers)
Nck
I was recently binge watching a cable TV series, nck. In that episode, a CIA official was reprimanding one of his assets. He said, "We look the other way and allow you to continue to exist, and in exchange for that, all we expect you to do is to occasionally step up to the plate when we need you!"
Decades ago, I was foolish enough to list my email address on one of the forums. No hassles or problems, but occasionally people who read my comments would email me personally to run some of their ideas and pet theories by me. I was gracious with them, but most of it was patently ridiculous, like David Icke's Reptilian Conspiracy Theory. Yuck! Really? But, one time, someone who called himself John England made contact and wondered if I had any information regarding possible involvement between HWA and the CIA in operating the Pirate Radio Station ships in international waters off the coast of England. That blew me away! How would I know anything about that?
Now, it always amused me that exhorbitant payments for radio time for the World Tomorrow broadcast from these ships in reality financed the blanketing of the UK with a type of music that went against HWA's personal tastes, and those of the BBC.. But I never believed that HWA was in league with the CIA. Now, I am not too sure about that. Some subtle whispers to the international power people from US diplomats or government officials may have boosted the persuasive powers of that good old Steuben Crystal in arranging these visits. At first, some church people believed that Sam Gotoh was setting the meetings up, having been a cab driver in Tokyo for many years. Mr. Gotoh's expense accounts were very generous, and the expensive items he was purchasing were not indicative in any way of normal per diem expenses. We saw the reports. A mole sent copies of them to Ambassador Reports, and John Trechak published them for our edification. The stuff you shared about the flight records from HWA's jet and its occasional escorts certainly raised questions in my mind.
We see a lot of craziness happening in the splinters. I don't believe that that all started with the advent of the splinters. Seems obvious that it was just easier to conceal secrets during HWA's prime.
BB
The loon in Iowa cannot even get the cannon right. Neither can Theil or Pack.
World Leaders aye, HWA, he's the "Man of the Century" right Knicks.
Reagan loved illegal immigration and no fault divorce.
10:30 said: “The Seventh Day Adventist church wrongly thinks that the USA is the Beast power…The Fourth Beast in the biblical book of Daniel chapter 7 -- the Roman Empire and its revivals over the years -- has always been in Europe, and was blasphemously called the “Holy Roman Empire” because it was ruled over on the spiritual side by Vatican city, the great city that rules over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Notice that the hopelessly confused people are calling the modern Israelite nation (the USA) the Beast power and are afraid that the “good guy” (Donald Trump) might be the Beast.”
I completely agree with you re the fourth beast of Daniel and the beast of Revelation 13 and 17 being centered historically and prophetically in Europe. This is spiritual truth irrespective of the biblical origins of the UK/USA (ie whether they’re of the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel or not).
12:51 said: “…’calling the modern Israelite nation (the USA) the Beast power’ Does this square with Napoleon (Beast), being a part of the French Empire (Ruben).”
According to ChatGPT Napoleon Bonaparte's Y-DNA haplogroup was E-M34 and his mtDNA haplogroup was J. Both are ancient lineages with deep eastern Mediterranean/Near Eastern roots, although today they’re found across a much wider range of Mediterranean, European and Near Eastern populations.
9:09 "According to ChatGPT Napoleon Bonaparte's Y-DNA haplogroup was E-M34 and his mtDNA haplogroup was J. Both are ancient lineages with deep eastern Mediterranean/Near Eastern roots, although today they’re found across a much wider range of Mediterranean, European and Near Eastern populations."
But are we gonna use ChatGPT to find Donald Trump's Y-DNA haplogroup. See it's not the other way around with this. I am not saying DT is, I am just saying you can use the same logic for Trump as you do for Napoleon. By the way I already knew that about Napoleon, since he's from that island.
Also like someone said earlier, it's the King "of" the North. Not king "in" the North.This Beast concept has historically been in Europe, but it is not spiritual. truth. God may not look at it your way, His ways are higher. Here's your example.
Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Don't confuse your physical location puzzle piece with actual spiritual knowledge.
I’m sorry, 6:38 AM, but with respect, we’ll have to simply agree to disagree.
I firmly believe Daniel’s context makes the geographical relationship clear. He gives us a king of the south and a king of the north: both designations are relative to Israel. Daniel 11 then describes their movements in relation to one another and to the Glorious Land. At “the time of the end,” they confront one another (Dan. 11:40).
There’s no corresponding “king of the west” representing America. So if the US is supposed to be the dominant end-time Beast power, that identification needs to be demonstrated from the biblical characteristics of the Beast rather than simply assumed. The Beast must be identified by the characteristics Scripture gives it and by the historical continuity of the power those characteristics describe.
And Rev. 11:8 certainly doesn’t make geography irrelevant. John says Jerusalem is “spiritually” called Sodom and Egypt, but immediately identifies the actual place as “where also our Lord was crucified.” Spiritual symbolism and geographical/historical identification aren’t mutually exclusive.
So I must disagree that the European identification is merely a “physical location puzzle.” Daniel 7 describes a succession of kingdoms and Revelation deliberately draws upon Daniel’s fourth-beast imagery—its authority, horns, blasphemy and persecution of God’s people. The historical identification of that system with Rome and its subsequent European church/state manifestations rests on that broader prophetic and historical pattern, not simply on geography.
True, God’s ways are higher than ours. But that doesn’t mean we should disregard the geographical, political and historical information God chose to put into the prophecy. Spiritual meaning doesn’t cancel historical meaning.
And for me, this is ultimately a matter of spiritual truth that will be confirmed when the Beast and False Prophet arise again from Europe and ultimately impose the mark of the Beast upon the world.
7:02 That’s what makes Armstorngism so funny, is that on one hand they can look at it their way, but when on the another topic we switch up on the criteria. Like Napoleon “is the 8th” but France is an Israelite nation, but it’s still the beast as far as Empires go like (Babylon, Persian, Greek, Rome). So an “Israelite nation” can’t represent the beast says the armstrongites.
But when it comes to “location and geography”, Britain and America are “Israel” but they are nowhere near the “glorious land” or in the Levant area but one must believe in British Israel. The same thing goes for Assyria being Germany, the location then changes to fit the doctrine.
You guys act as though you personally see what Daniel saw. The Bible doesn’t have to say “king of the West.” Personally I didn’t say America and Britain are the beast. I just said that I CAN SEE WHY THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES AND SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST see the British (a few centuries ago) and American Empires as the beast. As they are looking at a continual world ruling system that started with those kingdoms mentioned in Daniel and as in modern times we had the Spanish Empire, French Empire and so forth. England got out of catholicism but the Church of England mirrored that of Rome except for the pope, papacy, vatican but they kept the same doctrines.
One of the major points Armstrongism overlooks is that migration issue. It’s almost like the conservative party. You might bring up “king of the west” but these people are not originally descended from the west. Caucasian Americans are not “of the West” They came from different parts of Europe (Ireland, England, Germany, Italy, Spain, Norwegian, French). You guys come at like you came from the west (at the time of the end", then at the same time you guys came from the Levant, it’s funny.
One thing that was mentioned at the end of that video, you don’t want to be the empire ruling system when Christ actually returns, because that means bad news. So I will go with Johnism, time will tell.
And if we are talking about location and exact location. What does Rome (the actual city) and the country of Italy’s military currently look like? But then the location gets moved to Germany, I suppose since it’s still north.
But again, I didn’t say America was the beast, I just said I see why the JW and SDA believe so. Historically no, but physical characteristics of empire, trade, seas, military I hear what they are saying.
We will have to agree to disagree, but you’ll be waiting for the country's fall.
Thanks, 12:41 for expanding on that. I understand where you’re coming from a bit better now.
For clarification, I’m not an Armstrongite myself. By the grace of God and through His Holy Spirit, I’ve moved on into greater spiritual truth and understanding on a range of topics where Armstrongism has remained largely unchanged and likely will remain so.
Re whether various European nations are descended from the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel, I’m agnostic on that. But, like I said I firmly believe that Europe is the geographical and historical center of the Beast empire as it has been since the rise of the fourth beast of Daniel and the Whore of Revelation has ridden it. So I don’t believe America will ultimately fulfill the role of the Beast. That said, I can see a couple of possible ways the transition could unfold like a relatively smooth and cooperative transfer of global leadership from America to Europe like there was from the British Empire to the US after WWII. Or America could decline dramatically and become a vassal state of the future European beast, not unlike Vichy France under Nazi Germany. Or something entirely different could happen that I simply cannot foresee at present.
So am I waiting for America to fall? No, since I’ll probably be long gone by the time the end times come. It’s all ultimately in God’s hands and only God knows precisely how His will shall unfold.
12:28 Thank you for your comments. Glad that you found another path (even if you may still have some of Armstrong in our system, as I do too). I too don’t know how this thing is going to exactly wind-down. And yes, historically, it has been Europe with the dual religious/militant paradigm.
Again, But the JW and SDA are looking at the current day. I know that the JW do take into account Europe from the previous horns, but include the modern empire that they include. This was brought out in that video.
https://youtu.be/0LCaNSOM4Jk
I like a religion to where you can keep an open mind when it comes to PROPHECY (and not something that is set in stone when it hasn’t happened yet). We can see the decline of America, but who knows when the end comes.
Blessings in your journey.
Ahh thanks 10:30 for that video link! I had been trying to figure out which video you were referring to in your 12:41 comment lol. And blessings in your journey too, brother!
Thanks brother 5:05, and if you end up being correct about the Beast, kudos to you and yours. Remember Christ is King, until that time let us keep the faith.
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