Dennis On "How Long Will Ye Halt Between 2000 Opinions?

If Dave be Joshua the High Priest coming to his Temple, serve him

If Jesus be the High Priest coming to his Temple, serve him

If Gerald be That Prophet, Serve him

If That Prophet be batshit crazy, don't.

If Culpepper is against adoption, sell the kids

If Culpepper is batshit crazy, tell him to mind his own business or else

If you have only 3-5 Years left, sell everything and be a witness

If you think ten rounds of 3-5 is too much, go see a movie

If it is the real gun lap, run like hell

If you are tired of false starts and finishes, ask why?

If you believe Dave Pack is the source of all things God and True, follow him

If you think Dave is batshit crazy, ask for a refund

If you believe you can both build a brand spanking new college of the best quality and believe "my lord doesn't delay his coming,"  go for it.

If building a brand spanking new college of the best quality, with your money, doesn't seem to fit with "the work will be over in 2016," guard your purse.

If, as a minister, elder or deacon in another COG and wanting to join RCG, go for it man.

If, as a minister, elder or deacon you have any self respect, can think for yourself and value your own views, run.

If you really, really, really believe that the BIBLE speaks specifically of David C Pack in the Book of Haggai, sign up 

If you think that's the most ridiculous , self centered, self absorbed and stupid form of "theology" you have ever heard,  stay put

If you think Church leadership should pass to the leader's children, serve PCG or RCG

If you think that lesson has been learned, appoint an empowered board of directors

If you want to go to a genuine Old Testament Feast of Tabernacles, follow James Malm

If you have ever heard of Jesus, probably not.

If you can't say the word "Jesus" without visions of fluffy swoozy and nicey, follow Living Church of God

If permitting little children to come unto your Jesus sounds kind, try UCG

If study papers and rational inquiry into the beliefs and teachings of one human being are not necessary to you, follow Dave Pack

If you think in the multitude of counsel there might be safety, go to another movie.

If you think Jesus had a $25,000 (rumored to be)  dollar nick nack of Elijah the Prophet on his desk because he just wanted it, follow Dave Pack

This one sold for $3600--Shop at Walmart man!

If you think that Dave can say, "Well Mary anointed Jesus feet with very expensive oil and only Judas got ouchy about it,"  follow Dave

If you think building homes for faculty and ministers, with or without paneling as we read in Haggai is ok for the Goose but not the Gander,  follow Dave

If you think never actually revealing where the money goes and how much there has been donated, follow Dave

If you think you'd enjoy being under Dave's total control knowing he won't live any longer than any other human being and you will get stuck with the bills and no Christ, knock yourself out, follow Dave Pack.

If following HWA's 75 minute truth of sermon length but of course, not for Dave Pack, is the gold standard, well follow Dave.

If you believe Victor Kubik of UCG has set about the best and only example of actually feeding, clothing  and making life better for actual human beings in the present time and not wishing them well and to be warmed and filled, go to UCG

If you think shunning contributions to the American Red Cross or any kind of actual help to real human beings in need in the now is bullshit and the money can be better spent on expensive trinkets in Dave Pack's office,  follow Dave. 

Now, if you want to see the Wrath of Khan in every storm, follow Bob Thiel

If you don't mind a not so earth shattering work in this end time, ditto

If you are ok with , "I am that prophet,"  "And yes brethren, I am an Apostle," or "I got an accidental double portion and turned it into my being a genuine Prophet," you ain't right but that which you do, do quickly.

If you don't mind saying, "Yikes, I gave 4,000, 6,000, 10,000 , 25,000 (for a trinket) to my church when tax time comes around, keep up the good work.

If you find yourself a little short and in need of some help but want to find out monies set aside for one purpose are often spent on other purposes and you are not worthy,  follow....probably anyone who collects 3-T

If you feel in your heart, you are an "appropriate male," and can lead church services, contact Bob Thiel

If you believe you are a worthy young man and want to go to summer camp, contact Dave Pack.

If you want a sane, balanced and actually fun camp experience without indoctrination, propaganda and narrow thinking, go to Camp Grenada.

If you want more discipline and stories of torture, mayhem and what worthy youth do behind the scenes at camp,  Go to Gitmo-Ohio-on-76

If 15 years from now you want your worthy children to tell you what they really heard and saw and went through, see above. 

Well, point made I suppose.  Life is decisions but in the COGs there are way too many others making your  common life decisions.  You really have to recapture your common sense and learn to tell your just a bit too intrusive and opinionated pastor and church where your boundaries are and mean it.    Not that men like Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack and far too many others understand anything about boundaries but you simply have to set them.  You will notice these types of men have very strict boundaries when it comes to  your ideas affecting them.  But they have little or no boundaries when it comes to their ideas affecting you.  They expect their ideas and awesomeness to affect you to their advantage.  

Do they see it?  Are they sincere?  Sometimes I think no and yes and sometimes it just looks like mental illness to me hidden well in a church setting which would not survive two minutes at any real business.  What we have seen and continue to see is men who really do have personal, un addressed issues in their own lives running the religion show.  Be they merely ego centric or totally narcissistic, a bit odd and weird or totally pathological,  in fact,  has to be left up to others who study such things.  But you don't have to be the victim of it.  That story has already been told over the past 70 years of Church of God antics and intentions and many are only reinventing the wheel of religion gone nuts in yet another generation if we don't learn from it. 

I can't un ring my own bell, but I did not and will not keep ringing it and I hope you can dig down inside and find the courage to say the same. 

It's ok to put yourself, your family and your perspectives first in your life.  You can't help but be anything else but yourself,  well...unless you are in most of the COG splinters and slivers.  Then it is a sin to be repented of.

contact Dennis at: denniscdiehl@AOL.com

Philadelphia Church of God: Where The World Is Celebrated While Simultaneously It Destroys Lives Of Members

Does the Eroica Trio know what spiritual evil lurks in the mind of the man they are standing next to?

The following is from a comment in a blog entry below.  Its origin is from the Exit and Support website.

The Philadelphia Church of God has always been know for its sick treatment of members.  Culpepper had a horrible reputation when he was in Pasadena as a student, however he seems to have sunk to even lower depths of depravity.  Culpepper had a reputation of being a self-righteous pompous bastard and I see things have not changed.

The Philadelphia Church of God is slobbering all over it's performers and the "prestige" they bring to their mini-me auditorium. Yet, church members are treated with disdain by Flurry and the ministry.  Champagne, fine wines and expensive receptions hold greater priority than it does with families and the youth of the church.

From: Exit And Support Network

Letters From Those Impacted by Philadelphia Church of God


Cal Culpepper's Abuse of Minor Teens:

June 10, 2013

I personally know of three PCG families that were forced to give up their minor aged, unbaptized children under the direct orders of Cal Culpepper. The following info on his forcing people to give up their 15 and 16 year old teens is accurate because I spoke to these people first hand.

Case #1: This lady is from the Cincinnati/Dayton area. She is a widow and all her family left the PCG and her husband died around 10 years ago. Her granddaughter was being abused by her son and daughter in-law so she petitioned the courts for full custody. She got it and she got the girl out of the abusive environment. This happened around the time of the "Campbell/Culpepper square dance" (the time when Cal Culpepper was in charge, then Marvin Campbell, then Culpepper, etc.). So in that confusion, she was not questioned for getting custody. However, when Culpepper won the power struggle in the North East, he was much displeased with her doing that. Apparently, she was told that "the church does not approve of adoption." Also this young girl was in public school and getting good grades. However, she was going to school dances and such things with a "worldly boy." Culpepper disapproved of that. The girl had enough and stopped going to services. This woman got a call from Aaron Eagle disfellowshipping this girl and was told to "put her in the car and drive her to the Juvenile Center (forget the exact name of the facility) and drop her off." When she explained that she had full custody and was legally responsible for the child and could face criminal/civil charges, she was told by Aaron Eagle, "That is a chance you have to take--have faith." She was threatened with disfellowshipment if she did not comply.

Case #2: This couple was from another area (they asked me not to reveal the state). They had a 16 year old teen that did not want to go to services anymore. Apparently the child was getting "an attitude" and made some comments during the Feast of Tabernacles that were inappropriate. She was sent home from the Feast. They were told to get rid of the teen. They were forced under pain of suspension/disfellowshipment to take her to another state and drop her off at a relative's house and leave her. They were also instructed not to have any contact with her at all. No phone, email, letters. This was under the direction of Cal Culpepper. This couple were so afraid of being put out of "the church" that they followed Culpepper's directions to the letter.

Case #3: This concerns a member from Louisville, KY. This man was a loyal servant of the congregation. He went to all of the PCG activities. He did the garage sale for the building fund, was in Spokesman's Club, went to the cookouts, picnics, etc. He had joint custody of his 15 year old daughter. The girl was torn between her dad and mom. Cal Culpepper verbally abused the girl at a PCG activity in Ohio. The girl was then condemned by Culpepper and told to not come to services. The father was told not to have any contact with the girl (15 years old) at all. The man refused and was disfellowshipped.

There are many more cases like this but these three will suffice to give a picture of the unbiblical and illegal practice of abandoning your minor teens.

I heard in a recent sermon how the non-PCG performers who do the Concert Series at God's House [Armstrong Auditorium] gush and rave telling the HQ people how they were "treated like Kings" with fine dining and accommodations while they stayed at the Auditorium. I wonder if these people were told how minor age children were being tossed out in the street by orders from PCG ministry? Would they still be willing to perform for the PCG? --Anonymous PCG member

Doug Winnail On The Horrible Satanic Persecution The LCG Faces Everyday

Anyone who dares question or criticize the Living Church of God is an agent of Satan?  Who knew!

Dealing with Adversaries: Periodically, critics and adversaries rise up to attack God’s Work, God’s people and the ministry by hurling criticism, spreading rumors, lies and half-truths and doing whatever they can to foster doubt and division. However, God’s people need to understand—it comes with the territory! Long ago, Solomon wrote, “an ungodly man [or woman] digs up evil, and it is on his lips like a burning fire” (Proverbs 16:27). Solomon also observed, “The words of a talebearer are like tasty trifles” (Proverbs 18:8)—however, this is a poor diet that eventually produces a sick and angry mind. Persecution has dogged God’s people down through the ages. Joseph was imprisoned on false charges (Genesis 39). Angry religious leaders plotted against Jeremiah and determined to “attack him with the tongue.” Yet, God told Jeremiah, “They will fight against you, but they shall not prevail against you. For I am with you” (Jeremiah 18:18; 1:19). Jesus had to endure mocking and vehement accusations by civil and religious leaders who wanted to destroy His ministry (Luke 23:10-11). Stephen was accused by false witnesses (Acts 6:11-13). The Apostle Paul had to deal with people who “spoke evil of the Way” (Acts 19:9), and Peter warned that false teachers who have gone astray would “speak evil of things they do not understand” (2 Peter 2:12). Critics and adversaries seldom realize that when they spread criticism, accusations and lies, they become agents in Satan’s hands to destroy the Work of God (see John 8:44; 1 Peter 5:8; Revelation 12:9-10). As God’s people, we need to reflect on these biblical examples and remember that wise people don’t believe everything they hear or read on the Internet. If someone is troubled by something, wise people seek accurate information from trustworthy sources.

Have a profitable Sabbath,
Douglas S. Winnail