Do The Various COG's Actually Love Those In Other Groups?

A reader here asked the following question on a previous post.  It is not the first time this question has ever been asked, nor will it be the last.

Hi all. This may be an odd question but do splinters like cogwa, ucg, pcg, lcg, do re me, consider themselves "sister" churches or something like that?? When something happens at a splinter...oh..sorry..sister church, it is refereed to as such. I don't get it. All seem to hold same beliefs(?) as far as Holy Days and even same publication style. I don't get it..I just don't get it. 

Oh..and thank any readers who can shed some light...you know...the one we are not suppose to hide under a bushel like talents that never got developed because what's the use everything is ending..thing. What's the benefit in that folks?

The Wanderer 

Most of the COG's are hypocrites when they say they love their fellow brethren in other splinter groups.  The only time you ever see them shaking hands, hugging, or smiling at each other is at a funeral.  Then everyone sits there saying, "he/she died in the faith" while privately thinking, "his/her salvation may be at stake because they were not members of the true end time work."

Each and every group out there seems to think they and they alone are the rightful heirs to the "truth."  Many of them claim to be practicing "first century Christianity" yet turn their backs on former brethren.

Far too many look back at the glory days of the Worldwide Church of God in the 50's and 60's where "love and community" supposedly reigned supreme.  Never was a word mention in any magazine article, member letter or booklet that things were not the "Ozzie and Harriet" world as it has always been portrayed.  Families were being broken up at that time, marriages ruined and lives lost.

The glaring problems of the church came to the forefront after Armstrong died and the splintering started.  Some of the most vile and hate-filled things were said about church members that never went along with certain groups.  The leaders and fellow ordained men were the instigators of that.  It is the leadership of the hundreds and hundreds of COG's that have separated the brethren.

Just look at UCG and COGWA.  One week they were all slapping each other on the back and the next week thousands left along with 3/4 of the ministry, with each side thinking they and they alone were right in yet another split.

Look at Gerald Flurry and his vile policy requiring PCG members to turned their backs on spouses, siblings, children, and friends who have left the church or had no desire to join up with Flurry and remained in a splinter group.

Dave Pack thinks he is going to unify the church with tens of thousands jumping ship to join his most superfantabulous work ever.

Many of them actually think the Church will soon be unified when everyone flees to Petra.  Can you imagine the hell on earth Petra will be when all of the self-appointed splinter group leaders arrive and start fighting over who is in charge!  If these members who do show up there do the right thing, they would throw every single splinter group leader out of the place!

Since all of these men claim to be Christian, then why do they act so spiteful with each other?

All of them short-shift Jesus to the back burner and place the emphasis on the law and preaching about "God's kingdom" whatever that is since it has hundreds of different meanings according to each of them.  Love, grace, mercy, and justification are not found in the law.  The law leads to death and offers no salvation:

Romans 4:15-16New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

15 For the law brings wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there violation.

16 For this reason it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his descendants, not only to the adherents of the law but also to those who share the faith of Abraham (for he is the father of all of us,

Or, another take in the vernacular:

Romans 4:15-16The Message (MSG)

13-15 That famous promise God gave Abraham—that he and his children would possess the earth—was not given because of something Abraham did or would do. It was based on God’s decision to put everything together for him, which Abraham then entered when he believed. If those who get what God gives them only get it by doing everything they are told to do and filling out all the right forms properly signed, that eliminates personal trust completely and turns the promise into an ironclad contract! That’s not a holy promise; that’s a business deal. A contract drawn up by a hard-nosed lawyer and with plenty of fine print only makes sure that you will never be able to collect. But if there is no contract in the first place, simply a promise—and God’s promise at that—you can’t break it.

16 This is why the fulfillment of God’s promise depends entirely on trusting God and his way, and then simply embracing him and what he does. God’s promise arrives as pure gift. That’s the only way everyone can be sure to get in on it, those who keep the religious traditions andthose who have never heard of them. For Abraham is father of us all. He is not our racial father—that’s reading the story backward. He is our faith father.

Until the hundreds and hundreds of Churches of God start practicing grace, mercy, and justice, the Church of God will NEVER be unified. It is an impossibility.

Philadelphia Church of God Ministerial Conference Topics: 34 Hours Of Legalistic Hell

Anon 2 3:45 wrote:
"18 Lectures over 34 hours in 5 days of BS is still....well you know."

Can you imagine sitting there for 34 hours listening to these morons speak on the following topics? Never once was Jesus mentioned, the New Covenant, grace, mercy, justice were never part of the conference.  What was promoted were ways for the ministers to keep the members under control and every thing possible directing PCG ministers to the old covenant.

Prophet/Apostle Gerald Flurry...“Micah and the throne of David,” around the scripture that specifically discusses a king inside God’s Church:...Mr. Flurry’s next two messages centered on “Ezra and the  throne of David.” The ruin-raising book of Ezra-Nehemiah is for the pcg today, yet it is missing David’s throne. We are bringing the throne into that picture. He talked about how Ezra established the law and administered God’s government. He also shared new revelation God gave about Jeremiah’s commission, showing how it provides further scriptural proof that a change in the throne was necessary.  The first two of these messages were played in all congregations in late July and early August. 

In his fourth message, Mr. Flurry encouraged the ministers to fall in love with the Bible. He used examples from Ezra, Mr. and Mrs. Herbert Armstrong, and even Dr. Eilat Mazar—both in terms of her using the Bible as a guidebook for her archeology and the need to dig into Bible study. He also gave the ministers practical instruction on pastoral matters such as inviting people to services and helping single Church members.

Evangelist Stephen Flurry...showed video footage of Queen Elizabeth ii’s coronation in 1953, revealing how steeped in the Bible it was. He then detailed the problems plaguing the current royal family, particularly since the throne moved this past January. He then gave seven characteristics we need to develop as God’s king-priests.

Stephen Flurry amplified that theme in his second lecture, “Step Forward and Lead,” giving practical instruction from Paul’s pastoral epistles on how ministers can implement God’s government in our homes and congregations, and help the Church’s families to do the same. He also gave the sermon on the Sabbath on the subject of “ The New Royal Family,” showing how God’s people today have replaced the British royal family and must act accordingly.

Pastor Andrew Locher...compared the current state of the pcg with that of the wcg in 1981 in terms of spiritual organization, corporate structure,  finances, members, ministers, congregations—and showed how God really has raised the ruins of Mr. Armstrong’s work “As in the Days of Old.”

Yeah right.  WCG had 150,000 members, Flurry is lucky to have 3,000-4,000 these days.

Evangelist Wayne Turgeon...built his first lecture around the motto of Ambassador College “Recapture God’s True Values,” detailing several of these values including love, temperance, humility, dependability, initiative, enthusiasm, and repentance.

Wayne Turgeon preaching on love, humility, and repentance is hilarious.  We have all read here over the years how he exemplifies NONE of these characteristics.  He was a pompous jerk when he was here in Pasadena and that has not changed.

Pastor Brian Davis...“Make Full Proof of Your Ministry,” instructing on how to strengthen Church members and help their joy, protect the flock, anticipate problems, develop our minds, and improve our education.

Preaching Elder Brad Macdonald...advocated “Using Bible Prophecy in Our Daily Ministry,”

Elder Ryan Malone...shared practical help on “ the Importance of Using Analogies, Metaphors and Comparisons in Teaching and Speaking” in helping people grasp abstract spiritual truths.  

These are perfect topics for a guy still in the closet.

Another recurring theme was the ministers’ need, both personally and in counseling people, to overcome human nature and purge human reasoning, and to rely on God and His government.

When has any COG minister EVER purged human reasoning?  It is impossible!  Particularly for cult ministers set in their ways and seeking to control members. They certainly are not thinking godly.

Evangelist Alex Harrison’s first lecture, “I Can of Myself Do Nothing,” was built on a 2004 article by Gerald Flurry to the ministry about submitting to God in every detail and allowing Him to supply the wisdom needed to serve God’s people.

Pastor Wik Heerma spoke on how important it is for ministers and members to “Overcome the Works of the Flesh” and walk in the Spirit. 

Pastor Fred Dattolo contrasted “God’s Law vs. Satan’s Law,” exposing ways we can unwittingly obey Satan’s law of vanity, or self-love; then describing how to obey the spirit of each of the Ten Commandments.  

Pastor Joel Hilliker showed how we must live “ the Way of the Servant,” which primarily means listening to and carrying out our Master’s (and our physical boss’s) instructions precisely and cheerfully. 

In other words, being autotrons slobbering at the feet of the Dear Leader and clinging to every word he says as if God himself was speaking it.

Mr. Harrison’s second lecture drew on Mr. Armstrong’s example to prove that “God Doesn’t Play Second Fiddle” and that our hearts must be fully in His Work.

Hearts must be fully engaged in promoting and paying for Gerald's imaginary work, while telling Jesus to screw off.

Pastor Cal Culpepper spoke on the need to “Strengthen the Family of God,” specifically by instructing men to lead their lives and their families with robust male Christian leadership. 

What a hypocritical prick Culpepper is to be preaching about this topic!  He has ripped families apart. Separated children from parents.  He has ordered family members to abandon a child at the mall so the state could take care of it; so the parents could give more money to the church.  The list of abominable atrocities he has committed is long and have been documented here and on other blogs and web sites.

Mr. Turgeon finished the conference with a lecture on how to build “God’s Uncommon Sense,” growing in wisdom and judgment through understanding God’s law and principles of cause and effect.

The law trumps everything.

Overzealous Lying False Prophet Has to Reset His End Time Dates Once Again And Jesus Is NOT Happy!

For several years now we have sat by and watched a self-appointed false prophet make one idiotic prophecy after another as he interprets Scripture according to how he wants to see it happen.  His interpretations are all a figment of his imagination and have nothing to do with truth at all.  He has made one prediction after another that has failed and then he has to reset his dates.  Over and over this has happened.  One lie after another.

The first set of quotes below is a prediction he made quite a while ago and as you can see it is an epic failure.  Therefore he has reset his dates, yet again.  Now we are looking at 2022.  I can smell the bullshit all the way down here in LA.!  Thanks, James Malm!  If nothing more, you are always entertaining!

At a day for a year this 2300 days is 2300 years in fulfillment.  

Provided the Calendar data is correct, the highly probable year of the coming of Christ and the cleansing of the sanctuary is:   

Coming forward 2300 years from 280 B.C. and adding 1 for year zero, arrives at spring 2021 A.D.,  when the sanctuary shall be cleansed by the coming of Jesus Christ; IF the date beginning the count is correct. 

Now subtracting 42 months (1260 days) shows that this final beast emperor  will occupy Jerusalem, beginning in the winter of 2017 – 2018;  If the date beginning the count is correct. 

Given the historical difficulties of the Greek struggles it is possible that this date might be in error by a year or two, but one thing is certain; IT IS VERY CLOSE INDEED!

This man of sin will then go to the Holy Place [Temple Mount] 75 days after being set up in the Vatican and the great tribulation of Matthew 24:15 will begin.  

Along with this is the coming defeat of radical Islam and a move towards a Mideast peace deal (1 Thess 5:3). 

These events are right in line with a date of late 2017 for the start of the tribulation; followed by the coming of Messiah 42 months later; in 2021 AD! Or within a very few years thereafter! 

 Brethren, the writing is on the wall!  

Update July 2017  It is now clear that the tribulation will not begin before late 2018 with Messiah coming in spring 2022.  Even that might take another year or two longer.  What is clear is that these things are now very close indeed.   

Seek to live by every Word of God with a zealous enthusiastic whole heart: watch and wait  for the signs!   2300 day propehcy