Dave Pack: Ramps Up The Damage Control As He Tries Condemning the "Whisperers"

Damage Control (Part 2)

“Whispering”

 

The following text was inserted into The Restored Church of God Announcements Bulletin for the Sabbath of August 20, 2022. This has been recycled over the years when the time was ripe for a reminder about “big bad meanie people” who leave and then leave garbage at the front gate of the Campus.

 

“Those Who Leave and Whisper”: On occasion—no doubt for the rest of the age—and for a variety of reasons, people will leave the Church. A few of these, upset or disgruntled, and ignoring natural bounds and protocol, will violate your trust and contact you via email, telephone, social media, or even post mail to voice criticisms, generally having to do with the way “things are done”—or “taught”—by Headquarters, the ministry or Mr. Pack. The obvious purpose, in order to justify and strengthen their position, is to get you to join them. Of course, misery loves company—and seeks validation. Bear in mind that by remaining in contact with those who leave, we blunt the sting of God’s natural correction (in the form of no fellowship), intended to teach lessons that may save their eternal life. Doing so also helps them in their effort to divide or injure the Church. It also opens you to dangerous influence. In such cases, politely, but firmly, inform the sender that no contact is desired.

 

In August 2003, Mr. Pack gave a sermon titled “Those Who Leave…and Whisper.” He explained that, because of many unique circumstances in this age, we only rarely disfellowship or mark those who leave and attack Restored with lies and distortions. In effect, when they do this (leave and whisper, thereby sowing division), they disfellowship themselves—it is up to the “brethren” to “mark” them (Rom. 16:17-18)—and they invariably do. This and several other related sermons, such as “Unity Binds the Church,” should be reviewed by those who may be confused when some, for whatever reason, “go out from us because they are not of us” (I John 2:19).

 

 

I know you did read all of that. But I did.

 

Seeing this with the new eyes given to me when I joined Club Antichrist causes me to notice a few key phrases.

 

“…will violate your trust and contact you…”

 

This implies that when someone leaves, you TRUST they will not reach out to you. When I was a member, I never assumed such a thing. The people who leave that you care about are your friends and…you care about them.

 

Departing from RCG and contacting a friend still attending is not some kind of unspoken mutually-understood contract breach. I wanted to know if someone left. I do remember severing connections with some to obey that protocol. When I left, I took no offense when friends dropped off my Facebook list or stopped texting me back. I did it to others when I was “on board” and expected some to do that as well.

 

The wording "violate your trust" implies victimhood. You are wronged if someone contacts you. That angle would be laughable if it were not sad at the same time.

 

“…those who leave and attack Restored with lies and distortions.”

 

I breathed a sigh of relief when I read this because it is not talking about me. I do not need lies to expose what David C. Pack and the enablers at The Restored Church of God are doing. The truth is damaging enough.

 

If I am lying or distorting, then I request that Bradford G. Schleifer or Edward L. Winkfield, or Kenneth M. Orel please reach out to me and let me know where I did this. You would be doing me a great service because I do not see it. My intent is to be as honest as possible while presenting an analysis that is accurate and fair. The nicknames are all done in “fun” and without malice.

 

Or if there is some therapist out there that can diagnose me as bitter, angry, resentful, or vengeful, please contact me because I am as calm as a Hindu cow when it comes to what I report about RCG. 

 

I looked up the word “distort” to see how that could apply here.

 

distort

1. pull or twist out of shape

2. give a misleading or false account or impression of

3. change the form of (an electrical signal or sound wave) during transmission, amplification, or other processing

 

Again, I was able to wipe the sweat from my brow because what I have said in interviews and written publicly is neither "misleading" nor giving a "false account or impression of.”

 

The great irony is that David C. Pack is the one who “pulls or twists out of shape” the Bible he claims to revere as God’s word. His endless sermon series demonstrates his penchant for creating “misleading or false account or impression of” prophetic understanding.

 

Does one need to go beyond the “not-really-a-50-day-count to Trumpets” as an example?

 

To the “ministers” inside The Restored Church of God: Did I just lie or distort?

 

If I could personally do #3 on that list, I would be making way too much money to be sitting here at my computer thinking up fun ways to pull Dave’s pigtails on the playground.

 

“Those Who Leave…and Whisper.”

 

I do not think I could categorize what Kevin Denee and I have been doing as “whispering.” We are doing just a little bit more than that.

 

For those just tuning in, Kevin Denee was an evangelist and the son-in-law of David C. Pack who left RCG with his wife in 2016. He recently participated in Dr. Tricia Jenkin’s podcast, “Worldwide: The Unchosen Church,” featured in Episode 6.

Dawn Blue of WCTV's "How It's Done" based in Wadsworth, Ohio has been conducting a series of interviews regarding my experiences with The Restored Church of God.

 

So far, we have done five interviews focusing on RCG and three with Dennis Diehl focusing on the topic of cults.

 

Her full list of WCTV videos can be found HERE.

 

RCG Interview Part 1 https://youtu.be/tSbHDqGWnMc

Cults Interview Part 1 https://youtu.be/_pHGaZNDorQ

 

 

On another topic, we will not have to wait another full 12 days before David C. Pack unfinishes the series. This was posted in Member Services:

 

Greetings Brethren!

We trust everyone had a profitable Sabbath.

Mr. Pack plans to deliver a message of similar length to Part 387 early in the week.

 

No doubt, just a few small “clarifications” regarding why nothing happened at the beginning of the 40-day count to Trumpets this past Tuesday.

 

The world may still be falling apart, but at least we have Part 388 to look forward to.

Marc Cebrian

See:  Damage Control (Part 2) “Whispering”

Diagnosing Dave Pack

From a reader:

EXPERT DIAGNOSIS OF DAVID C. PACK

1. Dave Pack has always suffered from a bad case of DIARRHEA OF THE MOUTH. Perhaps this just comes with the territory of being a paid babbler. Of course, it is actually Dave's hearers who will do the real suffering. What a pain in the ears! What mind-numbing noise!!

2. Dave Pack suffers from DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR as shown by all the high and mighty positions to which he humbly but eagerly promoted himself (Apostle, Joshua the High Priest, Elijah the Prophet, “That Prophet” of Deuteronomy 18:18-19, and is working on becoming Messiah).

3. Dave Pack suffers from EXTREME SELFISHNESS as shown by his earth-scorching “common” theft scam that says everyone must send him virtually everything they have (cash, savings, retirement plans, houses, possessions, etc.), “or no salvation if you don't.” It all goes to satisfy Dave's needs and wants, and does not get distributed to anyone else as they have need. Dave's followers really do suffer financially as a result of this moral deficiency of Dave's.

4. Dave Pack suffers from MENTAL INSTABILITY as shown by the Bait & Switch scam of his continually changing doctrines. Endless supposedly logical “proofs” that never really prove anything are a sign of an ugly mind. Dave's followers were originally going to be the most knowledgeable and stable church people around, but instead ended up being some of the most ignorant and messed up people around.

5. Dave Pack suffers from one of the worst cases of PREDICTION ADDICTION that I have ever seen, with ridiculous new, wrong, prophetic date guesses each week. Again, it is actually Dave's foolish followers who will really suffer from this mental health issue of Dave's. People need to be very careful not to let Dave's problems become their own problems, for there will be numerous problems and they will be BIG problems.

6. Dave Pack's various other ailments led to a major case of FOOT IN MOUTH DISEASE. Dave is simply always wrong. It was inevitable.

7. The basic root cause of all of Dave Pack's mental health issues probably is just a bad old fashion case of SATANIC POSSESSION. Satan probably gets tired of being cooped up inside his regular home in Gerald Flurry's fat old head and likes to spend some time away from home in his vacation head of Dave Pack for some really wild “fun” and mind games with Dave's unsuspecting followers.

Dave Pack: Big Bad Meanie People Are Picking On Me!

Wicked Comments With Cake

 

The video clip of David C. Pack warning the members of The Restored Church of God of how poopy-faced some of the former members can be was quite popular this past week.

 

The plight Dave is going through touched the heartstrings of some because people love a good underdog story.

 

Part 387 – August 15, 2022

@ 39:23 I mean, we’ve got people so wicked trying, besieging us…People who were once with us are more wicked almost than the devil.

Whoever they may be, they must be prideful, self-righteous, lying, thieving, deceiving, blaspheming, and murderous. But that still is not good enough because Dave has higher standards.

How does one become “more wicked almost” than anything? I do not get it. You are either “more” or you are not. If you are “more almost” would that not mean are “equally” wicked? Perhaps Dave was sparing these people their feelings. Or he was being sensitive to the devil. I am not sure which at this point.

Perhaps if Satan heard some heavy breathing just over his shoulder, he would know how close some human is to overtaking his position as the big cheese. He might then step up his A-game and really start to cause some problems inside RCG.

The comment was vague, so the “people” he was referring to are yet to be identified. If this is you, come forward and show yourself. The curiosity is killing me. Please write me at exRCGwebsite@gmail.com and I will do what seems right in my own eyes.

I have a theory as to what kind of things “wicked people” may be up to. Humor me for a moment as I pull these out of the air. You know, wild guesses.

• Invoke God’s name as a testimony to the truth of a matter, but then walk it back later.
• Fabricate a financial doctrine by using the Bible fraudulently.
• Collect funds for a specific event to then spend it on something else.
• Collect funds for “doing the work” to then buy property instead.
• Tell everyone your primary goal is to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as Jesus Christ instructed, but then stop actively doing that.
• Bring in another Jesus and another gospel.
• Make promises you later break.
• Say you will “never again” do something, but do it again.
• Blame others for your failings.
• See yourself all throughout the Bible using “because I say so” as proof.
• Discourage people from “proving all things” in their Bible.
• Is a prophet, is not a prophet, is a prophet, is not a prophet.
• Skip part of Sabbath services by sneaking out the back door through the kitchen.
• Skip Holy Day A.M. services entirely.
• Set a date for the return of Jesus Christ to have it proven to be false by history.
• Change the meaning of words in the Bible to fit the current theory.
• Mark those you oppose by declaring God will kill them soon.
• Tell mourning parents and spouses that they will see their dead loved ones soon, but then nothing happens.

That is enough for now. If I did any of those things while claiming to be a minister, I would be quaking in my boots right now.

For those just joining us, this is not the first time in the past few months that David C. Pack went on a “meanie people” tirade.

As a refresher, Dave was almost beyond pissy after his Pentecost failure and made comments that were originally posted in the article, David C. Pack Admits RCG Is A Hazardous Work Environment.

Part 372 – June 6, 2022

@ 44:55 The most vicious, evil wicked-hearted men I have ever dealt with, I’ve dealt with in this church. Literally.

@ 45:37 And they’re the most murderous, lying, thieving people, in many cases, that have come into our ministry.

@ 46:35 It’s a curious anomaly that you see the ministers who’re supposed to be teaching the truth abusing, lying, stealing, things that would just curl your hair ten times over if I told you.

@ 47:11 I’ve learned to sit in that room up there, we talk about doctrine and know that I might be sitting across from or next to a minister who’s gonna try to destroy this church within an hour.

@ 51:29 You just do not understand our enemies, they want to murder the church. You don’t understand that. These are the these are deeply satanic men.

@ 1:39:26 The worst possible people keep leaving and poisoning the well out there.

 

 

A line from earlier this week will become my new mantra.

 

Part 387 

@ 06:07 A simple passing of time forced this conclusion.

 

The more time that passes with another failed date for the return of Jesus Christ which Dave hammered, the more people inside The Restored Church of God will wake up. Although, “wake up” is not accurate. They know what is going on, but they do not know what to do about it. Nobody has a great answer for, “Where do I go when I leave RCG?” – If I knew, I would be there.

 

I know of not one person who has left who thinks NOW they have it right. Many have a place that “is good for us” if they have not already chucked it all and gone back to pork and Christmas. Sorry, Kevin. Love you, man.

 

Things do not look good from this side of the fence. Full disclosure. People inside RCG know what is going on is wrong, but they see no alternative. I have no pearl of wisdom or box of secrets to sell.

 

The idea of attending where the truth “used” to be is better than being where it is not at all. That is the thinking. It is a scary idea to be walking away from a structure that has the “look and feel” of God’s Church but the salt has lost its savor.

 

David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear

to make a judgment call if he is true or not.

 

The people inside RCG know what he is doing. The people inside RCG know what their Bible says.

 

Prayer. Fasting. Bible study. They all told me I needed to leave. Whether I was “vomited out” or I left of my own accord remains to be seen. Full disclosure.

 

Herbert W. Armstrong came up with the analogy of arsenic in a cake and David C. Pack used to repeat that concept. Not so much these days, curiously.

 

How much poisoned cake those still inside The Restored Church of God can tolerate is on a case-by-case basis.

 

But everyone there can agree. The cake is poisoned.

Mark Cebrian

See: Wicked Comments With Cake