Dave Pack: "Our wait appears to be a little longer, but is still short!'

 

Barrel of Monkeys

 

There is no longer any wonder how The Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy spent their Sunday. They were locked away with David C. Pack in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium. The “prophetic dream-up team” found a way to extend self-torture for the members of The Restored Church of God.

 

Dave got in front of his own failure JUST BEFORE it happened? Again? Get outta town!

 

This was posted in Member Services on Sunday, September 18 (Elul 22).

 

 

Prophecy Update

 

Most by now have heard the brief message delivered Sabbath. The structure of the Kingdom culminating in Trumpets remains exactly the same, with the exception of timing. Our wait appears to be a little longer, but is still short!

 

As Mr. Pack explained, God has been tightening the picture and timing, while simultaneously slowing extending timing. The same holds true now!

 

Many questions and facts make plain the backstop is actually a day beyond what we thought:

 

•  First ask, would God merely come close to Elul 24—or would He use this all-important date recorded more than a dozen times? Recall the end of Haggai 1: the people “…came and did work in the house of the LORD of hosts, their God, IN the four and twentieth day of the sixth month…” (vs. 14-15).

 

•  A Monday afternoon/night Headquarters time start (Tuesday nighttime/morning Jerusalem time) reinvites “pray that your flight be not…on the Sabbath” (Mt. 24:20). 

 

•  Three-and-a-half days from sunrise Tuesday in Jerusalem takes you to Friday evening. This crucial commanded prayer once again carries great meaning!

 

•  Next recall the question posed in Hosea 9:5: “What will you do in the solemn day, and in the day of the feast of the LORD?” Verse 6 makes clear Israel is IN captivity IN this Feast day: “For, lo, they are gone because of destruction: Egypt shall gather them up, Memphis shall bury them…”! The only solemn Feast this could be speaking of is Trumpets/the Day of the Lord. So Israel is in captivity for at least some of the Day of the Lord—explaining how punishment could extend further into Trumpets!

 

•  Discerning timing within this enigmatic day where sunset and sunrise are blurred is nearly impossible, further allowing a later start to the Kingdom. Zechariah 14:6-7 reads, “And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD [it is very difficult for humans to understand], not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.”

 

Brethren of God, stay alert! Put plainly, the case for waiting through tomorrow and deep into tomorrow night is now clearer—and stronger—than we could have known. God speed the Kingdom!

 

 

“…with the exception of timing.”

 

That is all Christianity in a nutshell. Every Christian who has ever lived wants to know when Jesus Christ will return, and the Kingdom of God will arrive on earth.

 

The entire point of Dave trying to “figure out prophecy” is so he can nail the timing down. The fact he cannot makes him pretty useless.

 

He has moonwalked being a prophet and then said “Elijah” is just a nametag on your coat pocket.

 

One other little itty-bitty point: Timing is the ONLY thing that proves if ANYTHING he has taught is correct. Who is true and who is false is determined by things “coming to pass” as it was said.

 

“the backstop is actually a day beyond what we thought:”

 

The true nemesis of David C. Pack and the enablers at The Restored Church of God is the dictionary.

 

backstop

something at the back serving as a stop: such as a screen or fence for keeping a ball from leaving the field of play

 

a person or thing placed at the rear of or behind something as a barrier, support, or reinforcement

 

When a "backstop" is blown past and blown past and blown past, how can that word be used anymore? It no longer has meaning. He punched huge holes in the backstop, making it just as effective as when he moved the goalpost. Same result with different ideas.

 

WE is used for a collective failure so that David C. Pack does not drown alone. As he sinks, he grabs the ankle of the “minister” nearest to him so they can sink together. Then that enabler grabs the ankle of the one closest to him. WE all go down together.

 

The RCG “ministers” are trapped inside their own prophetic Barrel of Monkeys. Sinking deeper into the depths of religious fraud.

 

“…would God…”

 

Playing Ding Dong Ditch with God is not the wisest of moves and, yet, is a staple in the biblical nonsense diet. Dave often blames God or “gives God credit” for whatever whenever.

 

His “would God” argument has never panned out the way he expected.

 

Part 234 – February 12, 2020

@ 2:49:18 Why would God set us up with what is such a powerful case for what is not His timing?

 

Part 297 – March 17, 2021

@ 1:19:10 Why would God reveal all of this to us now and then make us wait a year for bad math?

 

Part 298 – March 18, 2021

@ 06:03 Would God lead us to all of this understanding right before the the Passover and then just hang us out to dry?

 

Part 398 – August 24, 2022

@ 07:32 Would God absolutely identify Elul 1? Probably not, but possibly. Certainly maybe. And maybe it’s even a probably.

 

Careful, Big Guy. Careful.

 

“the case for waiting through tomorrow and deep into tomorrow night is now clearer—and stronger—than we could have known.”

 

It is comical how, after the fact, whatever new theory Dave and the enablers conjure, it is always “clearer and stronger” than before. And fails all the same.

 

Following the bumbling exploits of David C. Pack would be more fun than a Barrel of Monkeys if it were not for the suffering and confusion of the brethren stuck inside The Restored Church of God.

 

The "ministers" are drowning in prophetic confusion. Do not let them grab your ankle and take you down with them.

 

 

Marc Cebrian

See: Barrel of Monkeys

Bonus Quote:

 

Part 393 - September 17, 2022 (two days ago)

@ 35:47 If we got to Monday morning, we’re waiting another year.

Dave Pack: Enemy No More

Enemy No More

The short (for realsies this time) message given by David C. Pack on September 17 is bizarre for a few striking reasons. Some of it will be covered today and some of it later.

The new date set for Christ’s arrival during “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 393)” had already failed by the time I listened to it today (Sunday). Most of the people in The Restored Church of God who will even bother to listen to it will be in the same boat, "Oh, he just stretched the date of salvation, and I already missed it by the time my coffee was brewed."

Elul 20 failed. Elul 21 failed. Today, Elul 22 fails (present-progressive). Do not panic because he invented more wiggle room so that the backstop to his backstop’s backstop will fail tomorrow on Elul 23.

Wait…is he using another one of my non-prophet/non-psychic “predictions” of what his future plays would be?

From the article Seven Times Fraud:

Either world events happen tomorrow [August 17] to begin the punishment for all of Israel, or Dave digs back into his Bible to find a 30-day count. Then a 20-day count. Then a 10-day count. Then a 7-day count. Then a 3-day count. Then a “big fat never mind because it was The Last Great Day all along!”

If he continues to mine ideas from these articles, I need to up my hourly rate. He now owes me $70 for each concept he appropriates as RCG prophetic doctrine. Make a note of that, Carl.

He digs himself out of one hole, only to crawl into another. Elul 23 is Monday, so nobody has long to wait.

He “finally” understands the first Kingdom of God “was never going to be” 10-days long. It is one whole week instead, doncha know? This is clearly a sign the end of the series is nigh.

Spoiler Alert: David C. Pack proves I am not an enemy of RCG!

The strangest element to this message is the bizarre introduction given by Andrew J. Holcombe, more affectionately known as Pepper Boy.

For those just tuning in, a very uncomfortable situation was recorded on June 25 for the whole church to see when Dave’s two young assistants nervously struggled to get the Tammuz Cooking Table set up perfectly for Elijah.

The painful comedy happens during the first three minutes of this clip. I find watching at 1.75x speed takes some of the sting out.

After watching this cringe-worthy moment, Andrew was ordained as Pepper Boy and James E. Habboush became The Coffee Kid.

With that background in mind, bask in the next 32-minutes of David C. Pack pointing fingers at We and at God for the mess RCG is now in. Yes, even God gets thrown under the bus. Again.

At least Dave remembered how to stand behind the lectern. It was strange to see him that way after all the table talks for the last few months. These shots do make for better singing videos. So, there is that.

@ 03:37 I appreciate very much Mr. Holcombe giving some introductory comments. Sometimes it’s helpful to hear from the men on my team.

Of course, he “appreciated” the comments. He is the one who told him to say it.

Andrew Holcombe Introduction

@ 00:10 …Mr. Pack wanted me to stand up and give a few comments here, brethren.

@ 00:47 He wanted…me to stand up.

Andrew Holcombe spoke for the first few minutes “tacked on” to the front of Part 393

So, yes. Dave appreciated the comments because he told him to do it.

David C. Pack’s insecure desperation was laid on pretty thick inside the Main Hall at Headquarters yesterday. He needed someone to herald his coming because he was afraid to walk up to the lectern all by his lonesome. This week, facing the church amid more prophetic failure was just too much to bear. That is called having a meat shield.

I felt embarrassed for Andrew. I know that when he leaves RCG, he will look back on that shameful moment as one of his biggest regrets. Dave surely “appreciated” his reluctant obedience for being a human shield for prophetic fraud.

The uncomfortable nervousness that lasted for about 3 ½ minutes warrants a separate article. So much was said inside a small space of time that speaks volumes about the state of minds inside The Restored Church of God.

The closer you are to Hurricane Dave, the more damage that is done to you mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Some have survived to tell the tale.

Sadly, Pepper Boy is one of the youngest victims to fall prey to The False Apostle’s snare.

@ 04:05 So, I appreciate the comments. They were helpful.

Helpful to whom, Dave? Not to the brethren of the Restored Church of God. Andrew did not say anything of substance. He enabled you. He conducted micro-Damage Control. He gave a Spin Teaser. He threw shade on your failure with a “prophecy is hard” plea that does not work after 393 parts.

The same tactic by the same guy was used at the end of Part 249 in 2020.

David C. Pack sent a Pepper Boy to do a man’s job. Reality is fracturing his fantasy. The longer this drags out, the worse it will be for him. And the worse it will be for everyone around him.

@ 04:38 But I wanna give you some facts. We’re just fine. We’re still fine.

After all these years, after all these failures, how he can say that with a straight face is astounding. What does that even mean to say "we're still fine" after salvation did not come this week? How is that “fine?”

@ 04:50 God may have waited so long to clarify when the Kingdom would come…

@ 05:15 God has tightened the picture and the timing while, strangely, simultaneously, slowly extending timing. Where I thought things could develop in a certain way, and then it looked like it was shorter.

@ 30:49 God may have waited this long to clarify this because Christ is coming as a thief…

When something is amiss, just point your finger at God. 

O, Dave has left many pieces of biblical garbage on God's doorstep! He may ring the doorbell and run, but God has his camera on the porch and knows this perp by name. This mess will get cleaned up one day. Believe it.

@ 06:03 I began to realize it was becoming impossible to derive or contrive 10 days of Tribulation any longer. It just wasn’t possible. So, then, the picture became simple.

The picture has always been simple: David C. Pack is a prophetic fraud. A biblical charlatan. A street magician performing tricks with the Bible. A poolhall hustler turning $500,000 into a well-manicured lawn. A circus clown pantomiming a minister of Jesus Christ. The picture is awfully simple.

Dave realized "it becomes clear" that the First Kingdom of God "was never going to be ten days."

The timing of his logical discoveries is always fascinating. He knows one of his dates will fail right before it does. He is like the student who knows he will fail the test before time is up, so he stops bothering to fill in the answers.

Figuring things out when it is too late is the Dave Pack way. Imagine he tells you that he will pick you up at the airport on Wednesday, but on Thursday morning, "it finally becomes clear" that it will be "impossible" for him to pick you up at the airport on Wednesday.

That may sound like an exaggeration, but that is what the man does.

@ 06:19 We have another year or more years to wait, or we’re missing something.

I cannot stress the importance of removing We from the payroll. You are missing a lot more than just “something.” This will forever be the case.

In a rare moment of complete honesty, Dave admits this to those with ears to hear:

@ 08:47 If you asked me Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I’d tell ya it’s a week. If you ask me Tuesday, Thursday, or Saturday, I'd tell ya it's ten days. If you ask me on Sunday, I'd say, "I'm not sure." It was almost like that, and the men around me could never pin it down, either.

So, those men are just as “full of understanding” as you are, Dave. The blind lead the blind. Pray the ditch in front of you is not a boar trap.

@ 10:52 I’ve not been to bed before 1:30. I don’t think, this whole week. 

It is worth repeating here: David C. Pack is not getting enough sleep. During his "Angels and Demons" sermons, he preached about how human minds are more susceptible to dark spiritual influence when sleep-deprived late at night. Interesting.

@ 11:56 So, if this is one week, let’s get this clear, if we’re looking at one week, we’re looking at about 19 hours away. Now, if it’s one week plus Trumpets…then we’re looking at 19 hours and another 24 hours. I, frankly, will give you a series of reasons I don’t believe that.

I do not believe it either. Dave and I are in agreement on this one. Funny enough, I did not even have time to reset my failure counter on the front webpage for the first option. Sometimes strategic procrastination is the right course of action.

Here is my short series of reasons not to believe that:

· God is not guiding David C. Pack to have this understanding.

· God cannot use David C. Pack to give His true prophetic knowledge to His people.

· A promise from David C. Pack is worth nothing to him and should be worth nothing to you.

· David C. Pack has been wrong about setting dates since August 30, 2013.

· David C. Pack is not a man of his word.

· David C. Pack blames “We” and blames “God” when he fails.

That is the super-duper shorty-short list.

@ 24:53 So, brethren, finally at the very end, the Mystery of God is supposed to end at the very end, I can tell you definitively because all of you know math, you have your calendar…you got two choices…they’re brutal. They’re just black and white. We got another year or more, or we're waiting for a seven-day Kingdom that would be tomorrow. And I’m supposed to say it right before it happens.

Dooh! By the time I heard this, it was already not true. Fancy that.

@ 25:23 I could apologize for not being able to figure out what no one who’s ever lived has figured out, or I could tell you, “Brethren, idn’t it wonderful? We’ve finally got this pinned down at the end because it means Daniel’s unsealed.”

Yeah, all you ungrateful doubters inside The Restored Church of God, Daniel is now unsealed. And you have never heard that before. Wink-Wink.

He could apologize for wasting hundreds of hours of your time, but not today. Wait. Did he recently apologize for something? Let me see if I can recall.

Part 389 – August 24, 2022

@ 52:45 …it looks like he didn’t say the date the first time either, and I won’t do it. And I’m sorry that I ever did.

@ 53:47 But it’s not my job to say it is this year….it has to be the end of the series. No possible way to go on. There’s no time.

Part 390 – August 27, 2022

@ 43:35 I’m not commissioned to give you the day. I’m commissioned to tell you it’s close.

Maybe he should not repeat past mistakes like apologizing or saying he will not do something again. This "man of God" is such a "man of his word" that once words are uttered, they might as well be written down in blood, stone, and steel. 

File “we’ve finally got this pinned down at the end” into your Not-So-Fast folder, which will be used later. Nothing is pinned down with Dave, just like the Scriptures will not sit still.

@ 30:16 Nine years ago, I said this would be on Elul 24, God’s people would be united…Turns out, if we waited nine years, I was off by a day because I didn't understand that little one-day thing. That was right…But now I understand it.

Despite the historic failure, he is right again.

The only way to prove that David C. Pack actually does understand it and that it was “right” is if it comes to pass. Otherwise, it is just another assumption, supposition, theory, personal opinion, and conjecture by a deluded false apostle.

I will do the heavy calculations for you regarding Elul 24 via Jerusalem time:

The new new new new backstop for the First Kingdom of God, according to Pastor General David C. Pack, is Monday, September 19 at 11:40am Eastern time.

When that fails, he will let the Headquarters staff know it may not be Jerusalem time, which would buy him seven more hours of saving face until the subsequent inevitable failure. He will stretch the fraud to last all day on Tuesday when nothing occurs right at sunset.

As a non-prophet/non-psychic and former member/ “disgruntled” employee of the Headquarters congregation of The Restored Church of God located in Wadsworth, Ohio, I declare for the record publicly that I disbelieve David C. Pack. Nothing biblical will happen today, Monday, Tuesday, or during the Feast of Trumpets this year.

If an antichrist serpent enemy more wicked “almost” than the devil is right about this, but God’s Apostle is wrong, what does that say to you?

God may bring His Kingdom and Jesus Christ to earth on The Feast of Trumpets, but not how and when David C. Pack tells you. Amen to the Kingdom of God coming to this earth. Amen to the return of Jesus Christ in power and glory.

…Amen. The LORD do so: the LORD perform your words which you have prophesied…

The following quote was ironically encouraging.

@ 30:49 God may have waited this long to clarify this because Christ is coming as a thief, and our enemies can’t know about it. The world’s not gonna know about it. Nobody’s allowed to know about this, and we're only tapped in at the last minute…

If enemies cannot know, and yet, I know, that means I cannot be an enemy. Sweet.

David C. Pack just explained to the members of The Restored Church of God that I am not their enemy. If he and Dr. Tim Ranney had figured that out sooner, they could have increased their attendance at the UnOpen House by 6%. Brad would refer to that as “tremendous growth.”

By extension, if you read this article by Monday morning and understand that the first Kingdom of God is seven days before the Feast of Trumpets, you are not an enemy. Gary and Dennis can both wipe the sweat from their brows.

@ 34:56 I hope you’re inspired. My job is not to foretell the year. I’ve told you that. My job’s to clear up the Mystery.

@ 35:08 So, we were not looking for a 10-day Kingdom or a 15-day Kingdom or a one-month Kingdom or a two-and-half-month Kingdom. We were looking for a one-week Kingdom. We saw it then lost…sight of it.

@ 35:35 Godspeed tomorrow morning…

Dooh! Dooh!

@ 35:41 …then it could go on into the day. It could be as late as Monday morning…If we got to Monday morning, we’re waiting another year.

No way Dave is waiting another year for anything.

@ 35:52 But I personally think our wait is to tomorrow morning. Good night.

Dooh! Dooh! Dooh!

We end as we began. This morning failed to arrive in the way Dave thought. Tomorrow morning will fail in the same way for the same reasons. Choose to disbelieve him, and he will prove you to be correct. Give it a try.

I know it is too late for those still trapped inside The Restored Church of God to gracefully make their way to the exit before the end of the Feast of Tabernacles. You know you will be suffering through another year of Dave continuously pontificating when all you want to do is enjoy the Feast as it was meant to be enjoyed with edifying messages, pleasant meals, and heart-felt fellowship. Good luck with that.

While at the lectern, David C. Pack decided to have a little bit of fun by explaining the direction of his prophetic teachings. The guy continues to make more sense these days.

Marc Cebrian

See: Enemy No More

COGWA Brags About Its "Mature" Students

Jim Franks wrote a letter to his faithful in the recent One Accord magazine that COGWA publishes. It is a wonderful example of the backslapping self-congratulatory behavior the current COG's do constantly. Sadly, that self-congratulatory behavior is usually over minuscule "accomplishments" that the church has met.

It is amazing to watch various COG's brag about their "accomplishments" in 2022 when contrasted against the Worldwide Church of God/Ambassador College history. It is quickly apparent that there is NO COG today that accomplishes ANYTHING on a scale compared to the old WCG. Try as they might it never happens, so I guess minuscule accomplishments are major news stories in this day and age of shrinking church attendance and influence.

For two weeks this past July, the office was buzzing with the approximately 70 students who were here for the Foundation Institute Continuing Education classes. We had a full house for both of the two weeks, approximately 35 students each week. 

Gone are the visions of 2-year/4-year colleges that actually teach degrees. Now the COG's depend upon nothing more than seminars for other educational needs.  Unable to draw in their younger members, most of these seminar attendees are on the "mature" side of the age range.  

All ages were represented, although most were in the “mature” range and retired from work, so they could easily schedule a week away from home. The fact that these two classes filled up with students within minutes after the registration was posted says something about our members’ desire to learn. 

 

In the 1940s Herbert Armstrong wrote about the need for a good biblical education for the membership. The following is taken from a coworker letter that he wrote in advance of the founding of Ambassador College in 1947: 

 

“In other words, real conversion and salvation is EDUCATION—not the kind of purely mental, purely materialistic, and mostly faulty and erroneous education of this world— but REAL education, which is the enlightening of the mind, feeding of the mind and soul, thru that faculty of mind we call the HEART, the development of self-discipline and character in the true spiritual values. 

 

“God intended man to become EDUCATED. We never glorify God by ignorance, nor by neglecting to train and educate the mind! What is the principle thing that elevates a man above a dumb animal? It is his MIND! That mind, then, to glorify God and fulfill His purpose, ought to be developed, used, rightly cultivated and trained.” 

What does COGWA consider "good biblical education"? Two weeks of propaganda material written by Herbert Armstrong or actually using real college textbooks to study the Bible, that thing they claim to follow meticulously and yet ignore so many parts of it.  

When we began Foundation Institute in the fall of 2012, we had two purposes in mind. One was to pass on biblical knowledge to the next generation, but the second was to emphasize the importance of building righteous character. Can Foundation Institute build character? No! But it can provide an atmosphere of godliness where one can study and interact with others who are like-minded. And from that, character can be developed-good study habits, a good knowledge of God’s Word and interaction with people who are there to help you learn and grow. 

For over 80 years now church members have been told they are building character by being members. The more they suffer under abusive ministers and ungodly rules, the more character they build - IF they do not question and obey completely. God is constantly testing them to weed out the chafe. The unclean Laodiceans are being sifted out. 

Over the past decade, Foundation Institute has not only provided on-site biblical education for more than 100 students, but also hosted a series of continuing education classes with approximately 70 students each summer (with the exception of the two years of COVID, 2020 and 2021). And, of course, there are the online classes, which have more than 2,000 student subscribers. 

 

In my view, every member of the Church of God, a Worldwide Association, has benefited directly or indirectly from the education programs coming out of Foundation Institute. I believe it is correct to say that we are providing more biblical education than at any time in our history, and that is a good thing! 

Every year that goes by the COG's brag this same nonsense. Even Bob Thiel claims this silliness.  The COG's claim their members are more educated than they ever have been in over 80 years, yet the COG's struggle to survive. None of them are making any impact, particularly here in the Los Angeles basin. Ask anyone on the street who COGWA, LCG, UCG, PCG, RCG, and improperly named "continuing" Church of God is and no one will know. 

One of the most basic principles, and one of the guiding principles for Foundation Institute, is found in Psalm 111:10: “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding have all those who do His commandments. His praise endures forever.” Combining a biblical education with obedience to God is the foundation of the Christian journey. I am very pleased with the work and progress of Foundation Institute over its decade of existence!

Wouldn't it be nice to hear COGWA has started following Christ as their goal instead of bowing down to the law? But, after all, this is a Church of God.