UPDATED: Bob Thiel Continues His Downward Spiral With Another Lie

 

Dr. Thiel's Letter to Police in Malawi defending Radson Mulozowa. 

UPDATED at end

The things coming from and about Bob Thiel is a whirlwind right now. Today, he claimed that Terry Nelson has been arrested. The truth is, Terry Nelson is walking freely here in the United States. We do not know which orifice he pulled this accusation out of but it is a weak and feeble attempt to divert attention away from the issues in Africa and to discredit Terry Nelson.

The Greatly Diminished Bwana to Africa writes:

09/25/23 a.m. Hope of Israel's Sasha Veljic reported that a cofounder of that organization, an accuser of the brethren, named Terry Nelson, was arrested in Malawi.

When I saw Bob's lie, I contacted Terry. This is what he said:

I see that. I'm in the USA now, so I'm not sure what the crazy fool is talking about. He's going to lose it. The man is Batshit crazy, seriously, those people with him are lost souls. I'm so sick of his bullshit financing of corruption. [I'm] trying to really help make things better in Africa. I really believe I must serve God and stamp out this evil. I've seen the other mainstream Churches there and met with their leaders. [They] are sincere people also. I've seen God working with them also. So all I really know is I want to make a difference with helping and serving and not judging, so I dont want any titles or anything. [The] thing is, I can't take this thing Thiel is doing, he's hurting innocent people and I must stop it 

Bob is doing all he can to discredit Terry after Terry spoke to the police in Malawi about Radson Mulozowa selling Bibles he had been given by Terry to be distributed to Malawi members. Terry had to watch as Radson turned around and sold them and kept the money. Radson was arrested for that.

It really frosted Bob's self-righteous narcissistic butt that Terry went to the police about this. Bob even sent a letter to the Police telling them that Terry had no right to do so. HOW DARE HE QUESTION BOB'S MAN OF GOD! How dare he!

UPDATE:

Bob is now claiming he "apparently" misread comments by Sasha about Terry being arrested. 

"Apparently"? Seriously? Bob, you KNOW that it is not true. Yet you deflect trying to not tell the truth to your dwindling followers.

09/25/23 a.m. Apparently I misread something. I thought I read that Hope of Israel's Sasha Veljic reported that a cofounder of that organization, an accuser of the brethren named Terry Nelson, had been arrested--that apparently that was not the case. I apologize for my misunderstanding and post. It is my understanding that some in Malawi want to question Terry Nelson and someone else there may have been arrested.

Notice how deceitful Bob is here... 

That person arrested was his very own minister! God forbid if Bob had to admit that publicly on his blog.

Commercial Break: I had to share with someone!

One of those rare times I shout "Hallelujah!" 

 Record Low water, low tide and there she is!  Net sinker or perhaps something else but number 11 I discovered, and I have an eye for such things. It reflects my woulda, coulda and shoulda sense that I'd have been better off a paleontologist instead of a Eternal Life Insurance Agent :)

Same but different with end modifications from others found within 100 feet over 5 years.

Delusions of Grandeur with Religious Content: A Pox on the Churches of God

 

Growing up in the Dutch Reformed Church, I never heard any authentically and well trained pastor be anything else in their own minds than just that, a pastor. All of the ones who spoke in the Church of my youth were graduates of the Westminster Theological Seminary in Baltimore, MD. It never crossed anyone's mind to see themselves as an "Apostle", "Prophet", "That Prophet", "Elijah to Come", "Messenger of the Covenant", "Joshua the High Priest" or one if not both of the Two Witnesses. Note: Personally, in the Church of God, I have met 23 of them

To do so would have met with howls of disbelief and the IMMEDIATE dismissal of such a man from the pulpit or any consideration in the ministry. They would have been seen for what they actually were...delusional.

No sanely trained man or women in the actual NT Gospel would ever see themselves spoken of in the scripture. Their career would be short, and I am sure medical and psychological counseling would be both demanded and provided if they ever hoped to re-enter the ministry of my mainstream Christian denomination. 

Only when I came into the Worldwide Church of God did that change, and an emphasis was put on a scripture that was not generally paid much attention to in the Church of my youth. At least not all of it and they had theological and historical reasons not to do so. 

Ephesians 4:11-13- And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work.

 

The inclusion of Apostles and Prophets seemed to be avoided, and for good reasons it seemed. Pastors and teachers were the balanced norm. It seems mainstream Presbyterian perspectives learned to leave the concept of Apostles and Prophets behind 1500 years ago for good reasons that some Churches of God have yet to understand. These lessons are usually learned the only way possible, the hard way. 

However, in WCG and now magnified in the splits, splinters and slivers, which with the Restored Church of God under Dave Pack and the Continuing Church of God under Dr Robert Thiel, which are, slivers, the concept has gone bat shit crazy in application. Gerald Flurry and Ron Weinland along with "a few other leading loons" also fit the type. It seems WCG drew such personalities that only erupted onto the scene when the time and circumstances were just right for them. 

What started with HWA being the ONE Apostle, it's been all downhill from there with men like Dave Pack seeing themselves as spoken of in the scriptures, always the OT ones. If you think someone like Dave Pack won't come to recognize himself as something just short of the Messiah, stay tuned. Delusional thinking creeps upward as each previous title becomes personally unsatisfying to the one wrapped in their own delusions.  

The first delusion with religious content that I spotted in WCG for sure was in First Year Bible Class.  Rod Meredith said...

"There is God the Father, Jesus Christ, Herbert W Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, MYSELF....and a few other leading evangelists..."

Whoa thinks I! I NEVER heard such talk or placing oneself in such a lofty pecking order. It was my first hint of times and title taking to come... It made me uncomfortable if not somewhat amazed to hear that come out of man's mouth. 

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What Are Delusions of Grandeur?

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/delusions-of-grandeur

Delusion of grandeur is a false belief in one’s power or importance. It may be a symptom of a mental health disorder and can cause confusion between what is real and what is not.

A delusion is a false belief held by a person. It contradicts reality or what is commonly considered true. The strength of a delusion is based on how much the person believes it.

Specifically, a delusion of grandeur is a person’s belief that they are someone other than who they are, such as a supernatural figure or a celebrity. A delusion of grandeur may also be a belief that they have special abilities, possessions, or powers.

Delusions are generally the result of a mental health disorder. However, not all people with delusions meet the full diagnostic criteria for any mental health disorder.

Many types of mental health disorders classified as psychotic disorders can lead to delusions. These include:

• schizophrenia
• bipolar disorder
• dementia
• delirium
• major depressive disorder with psychotic features

Psychotic disorders can change a person’s sense of reality. They may be unable to tell what is real and what is not.

Types of delusions of grandeur

Any delusion has four main characteristics:

1. The person having the belief believes it to be true, even when the existing norm and other people know it to be untrue.
2. The person having the delusion will not listen to any other viewpoints about the belief and will not consider change when evidence challenges the delusion.
3. The content of the delusion is impossible or implausible.
4. The delusion impacts the person’s daily life.

Delusions of grandeur can take many forms, such as beliefs of:

Having a special ability, object, or talent

The person with the delusion may believe that they have a secret talent, object, or ability that no one else has or even knows about. For example, they may believe they possess a secret record from Elvis Presley that no one else knows about.

Being a famous person

A person with a delusion of grandeur may actually believe that they are a famous person and that the real famous person is an imposter or decoy.

Having a secret connection

This delusion involves believing in a special and sometimes secret connection or relationship with someone or something important. For example, a person with this delusion of grandeur may believe they are a spy or that they alone are responsible for relaying messages to the president or other world leaders.

Religious grandeur

A person with a religious-themed delusion of grandeur may believe that they are a religious leader.

(Personal Note: Made even more delusional and grandiose by seeing themselves spoken of in the scriptures and the one true so and so)

How to spot them

Delusions of grandeur can be difficult to identify because the person having them believes the delusion to be true. Also, delusions can be hard to distinguish from what is called an “overvalued idea,” or a belief a person has that isn’t totally accurate, but isn’t exactly a delusion, either.

One studyTrusted Source used the example of gambling — if a person is a regular gambler, they probably believe they have an ability that allows them to win. But this is generally not considered a delusion of grandeur.

The key marker of delusions of grandeur is that they are not tied to a person’s experience. So, a person who regularly gambles and believes he is close to winning, even if he’s not, isn’t necessarily delusional. This is because the belief is tied to the action.

A delusion, on the other hand, is usually not related to anything happening in life at the moment. A delusion of grandeur would be more like a belief you can fly or that you are secretly the star of a reality TV show.

A delusion of grandeur is easier to spot if it occurs with other mental health symptoms. Delusions of grandeur are more common with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. If a person has a history of bipolar disorder and has had delusional thoughts in the past, delusions are more likely to happen again.

In some cases, delusions can also be brought on or intensified by the use of substances such as alcohol or marijuana.

Also keep watch for the effects the belief has on the person’s life. If the false belief is so great that it has changed how the person lives life or performs daily activities, it could be a delusion.