Dave Pack: On Human Steam

On Human Steam

There is a saturated fear warping the minds of the members of The Restored Church of God that keeps them trapped in their spiritually bankrupt organization. They desperately cling to the fallacious notion that they are in “the one true church” even though they have lived through years of evidence that proves otherwise.

Despite Pastor General David C. Pack promising salvation just over the horizon since 2012, even the All-Believing Zealots sometimes privately admit that the guy has not delivered. It is not an accusation but a fact of history. Even after the failed dates documented since March 2022 blow past the 100 mark, the brethren will not move from their seats because they vainly repeat a lie.

“I just need more patience. God is guiding Mr. Pack, and he will be proven right.”
Wrong.

David C. Pack will never be right about the return of Jesus Christ. He is not the usher to salvation. He is not the gatekeeper to the Kingdom. He does not see the plan of God “clearly” and is not even a bottom-of-the-list synonym close to “correct” about the series of events before or after the Kingdom of God arrives.

Case in point as of Part 551:

Jesus Christ Returns on January 29, 2025!
But now this could be a possible maybe.
More likely around then. But it’s so hard to nail down.

No matter how many numbered kitchenware props and wooden blocks adorn the table, the tall tales spun by Dave and his conscience-seared drones will never manifest. Never.

“The Greatest Unending Story!” Series is a fool’s errand eating time and squatting out corn-spotted malarkey placed on the living room mantle as if each discovery is a theological masterpiece.

In reality, David C. Pack is not led by God. The Holy Spirit does not inspire him to study and preach fickle gibberish. Dave is not an apostle. He is not a prophet. He cannot be trusted. He is a proven blaspheming, hypocritical liar. He is a street magician, a charlatan, and a deceiver.

David C. Pack admits he operates on human steam.

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Since I was an RCG member from July 2012 until March 2021, I understand how members filter out unbiblical behavior and blasphemous statements made by the Pastor General. We committed our lives to God and were zealous to obey His word. We chose to trust His shepherds tasked with guiding us to the Kingdom of God. We proved that The Restored Church of God was the “one true church.”

By doing this, we willfully put our logic horse blinders on, turned our eyes away from hypocrisy committed six feet away, and stuffed our ears with Silly Putty because “God will work it out.”

God will not work it out because you have to do it yourself.

God is not leading the efforts at The Restored Church of God. God did not designate David C. Pack as His end-time mouthpiece. God did not sprinkle mentions of David C. Pack throughout the Bible. God does not force David C. Pack to study the Bible until 2 AM, skip out on commanded assemblies, or steal money under the “Common” scam.

David C. Pack has been broadcasting to his barely conscious worshippers for years that God is not behind what he teaches. He made it screaming obvious during “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 550)” on December 21, 2024, and continued into Part 551 the following week.

For those bothering to pay attention, David C. Pack informed his audience that he operates on human steam.

Matthew 12:34
…for out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

Matthew 11:15
He that has ears to hear, let him hear.

Flashback Part 512 – May 11, 2024
@ 1:14:32 I’m not prophesying now. Nobody’ll ever get me to say that.

Insert a record scratch here.

Part 550 – December 21, 2024
@ 40:47 When did I first prophesy before doing it again? This is a fascinating thing to to discuss.

The 15-minute ego stroke was not fascinating. It was a pointless vanity exercise wandering in vapid circles.

@ 51:17 So, you asked me, “When did you become a prophet?” I don’t know.

Dave did not know but had to keep talking about it for another five minutes.

@ 55:44 There’s no way to really know how long this has been going on.

This is how members of The Restored Church of God spend their Sabbaths. Try to find that on the public website.

The final prophet of God does not know when he became a prophet nor when he prophesied. That is one helluva hiccup Dave created when he redefined what a prophet does. Since he can go about his business without an audible instruction from God, it is super convenient that he avoids the same biblical standard when faced with repeated abject failure.

Dave does not know because God did not raise or train him to be a prophet or prophesy. David C. Pack's entire career operates on cascading assumptions powered by human steam.

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Near the end of Part 550, Dave degraded his stature into an uninspired “woe is me” whine-fest.

@ 1:26:31 Think: Now I want you to I want you to think about something. And this’ll be maybe some of you will care about this. You’ll you’ll understand it. You’ll be sensitive to it.

Dave better pray his audience is more sensitive to him than he is to them.

@ 1:26:54 If you wanna understand my muh my situation with this material and, you know, walk a mile with me for a moment here now in my moccasins. I gotta know the clock we’re on at some point.

@ 1:27:29 But I did notice that it’s written to one man. Now, if you can understand the immense unceasing and here we’re well, you’re gettin’ into my my my moccasins. Unceasing, mind-bake it– [chuckles] buh-buh backbreaking, mind-breaking burden of going as long as I have preaching a thousand hours and studying for 20 or 25 hours. I loved it. No complaint.

The unceasing, backbreaking, and mind-breaking burden is not a complaint? This is textbook Dave contradicting himself in the next breath.

@ 1:27:54 You can understand why I would say, “Yes! This is almost over.” But not want the brethren to see me do that ‘cause they might think I hated it. I didn’t.

Dave does not want the brethren to know how he feels by explaining to the brethren how he feels. He continues with the explanation of his non-complaints about the backbreaking burdens of his office.

@ 1:28:03 That the endless array of frustrations and agony and lying in bed. I I never never I haven’t been to bed before two o’clock on Saturday night, sometimes three o’clock. I don’t know. Couple years other than maybe at the Feast.

Prolonged sleep deprivation does not improve brain function. If the divine process of ending the Mystery of God were Holy Spirit-inspired, it would not be an unceasing, backbreaking, mind-breaking burden requiring exhausting hours of late-night study that proves fruitless the following week.

However, if you are motivated by human steam, it makes perfect sense.

@ 1:28:21 I just I'm or or, and then I’m up all morning, and my wife is working around, and I'm doing things. Looking and checking all kinds of stuff.

David C. Pack may be “up all morning” being busy, but he produces nothing. He manufactures work for himself that nobody tasked him with. God did not assign Dave this task. He is the author of his own long, wasted hours motivated by human steam.

Which is why he is so frustrated and miserable.

@ 1:28:28 Turns out it wasn't so hard, but it it was hard getting to what was pure simplicity in Christ.

Dave quickly turned up his nose to that same “simplicity in Christ” the next week and nullified the temporary relief from his self-inflicted pressures.

@ 1:28:37 And I needed to know we’ve crossed the first threshold and the end is in sight.

On New Year’s Eve, Dave’s god pushed the “end in sight” further down the road. But that is what happens when you operate on only human steam.

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No prophetic confidence was provided during “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 551)” on December 31, 2024. The year for RCG ended with a whimper when Dave front-loaded his not-so-certain discoveries.

Part 551 – December 31, 2024
@ 02:48 First, I believe we are either waiting for before Shevat 1, which is January 29^th. Before Shevat 1 or also potentially just after it. But we're on track toward this time period for very different reasons. There is a greater chance we’re not gonna get to Shevat 1 than that we will go past it.

There is a greater chance pigs will fly than David C. Pack figuring anything out.

Dave's broken mind cannot hear the words falling from his mouth. The brethren of The Restored Church of God do not enjoy the same excuse.

@ 03:25 Many incredibly important discoveries have come the last ten days or so. I I seem unable to [chuckles] keep them from piling up. They are they are very interesting and, I think you’ve been seeing that.

Ten years into the Series at Part 551…five hundred and fifty-one…there are yet more “important discoveries” that alter the understanding again as they continue to pile up. Is that how the Holy Spirit works with THE end-time messenger? Or is that further evidence that David C. Pack meanders on human steam?

@ 03:39 But but may I be personal for a moment? I wanna just be personal as we near what I believe is the end of the Series.

God would make it clear to His servant when the Mystery of God is ended. Not so much with Dave.

Flashback Part 200 – August 27, 2019
@ 00:02 Well, brethren, over the last nearly four years, as I introduce Part 200 that ends the Series, we've seen various “present truths,” …And that that series of adjustments of present truths, if you will, ends tonight.

Part 551 – December 31, 2024
@ 04:07 I love teaching what God is doing.

David C. Pack has no clue what God is doing because God is not involved in his process. Dave’s astonishingly piss-poor reading comprehension skills are only the tip of the iceberg of his problems.

He throws down the sympathy card again to defuse the anticipated criticism coming his way.

@ 06:40 I’m being very personal. I love teaching that [God’s plan]. WHEN God will start all of this is hard and not nearly as enjoyable and, in many ways, isn't enjoyable at all. And I wanted just to say that.

David C. Pack admits he operates on human steam
in 3…2…1…

@ 07:59 So, I I I hope you understand, and if I had it to do over, I wouldn’t try as hard to figure out WHEN God is gonna do WHAT He’s gonna do. I may have come to the point where I finally understand it, but I I’m I don’t wanna claim that. At least, not at this point.

The members of The Restored Church of God who refuse to hear their Pastor General speaking plainly have only themselves to blame when they go bankrupt financially, spiritually, and mentally.

David C. Pack would not “try as hard to figure out.” God did not send him. God did not inspire him. Dave charged himself with the task of figuring out timing. He just said it.

@ 08:18 But, WHAT God is gonna do is just amazing fun. It’s just amazing fun and thrilling to to to to be able to teach.

@ 09:50 I mean, WHEN is interesting. It just not fun for Mr. Pack to research and try to get right. It’s just very difficult. It invites the attack of enemies. If I if I had not done that, I mean, and these same enemies who couldn't care less what the Bible says God is gonna do. Couldn't care less. But, boy, do they wanna catch a wrong date. So, if I can [chuckles] do that all over again, I I probably I wuh I’d definitely would. You know, hindsight is is always 20/20.

20/20 hindsight has never stopped David C. Pack from repeating the mistakes he decried he would never do again. His cup of coffee endures longer than his memory.

God’s chosen Branch and “That Prophet” Elijah would not need to “try to get right” anything. His words would be accurate the first time and for all time because God sent him and gave him the words to say.

David C. Pack's enemies point out when he gets the dates wrong for the return of Jesus Christ. Is that because Dennis, Gary, and Marc are just a bunch of mustache-twirling meanies? Or did we learn to justly mock Dave from the same book?

Deuteronomy 18:22
When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD,
if the thing follow not, nor come to pass,
that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken,
but the prophet has spoken it presumptuously:
you shall not be afraid of him.

David C. Pack claims to preach the Bible's truths in God's name yet excuses himself from biblical accountability. An authentic servant of God does not label people enemies because they accurately hold him to the same standards he dishes out.

Mark 4:24
…Take heed what you hear: with what measure you mete,
it shall be measured to you…

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The Pastor General occasionally love bombs his audience to convince them he cares. But his actions tell a different story. One small moment illustrates that he can get reports about the mindset of the congregation, but he will do whatever the hell he wants anyway.

@ 08:37 Mr. Schleifer tells me this, few others, too, “They [members] don’t really even seem to care WHEN‘cause they know God’s gonna do it. The WHAT is just it is so exciting.”

@ 09:30 So, I’ll I’ll just say that and being personal. WHEN is a lot harder. But most of today, almost all of it, is gonna be about WHEN because I have learned a number of things.

Brad is very slick at dulling the edges of potentially perceived criticism. Brethren admitting they find WHAT more exciting is just a polite and safe way to say, “Stop setting dates. We are sick of it.”

Dave heard it. He told the audience he heard it. Then, he ignored it because he “learned” things. It makes you wonder why he brought it up in the first place if he was going to plow over their preference.

Do not wonder too much. David C. Pack truly cares only about David C. Pack. The common folk are as valuable to him as the accolades they shower him with. They serve him, or they are useless.

A portion of David C. Pack's psyche understands that God is not behind what he preaches and is doing this all on his own. He has exposed himself before.

Flashback Part 512 – May 11, 2024
@ 1:18:40 But people wanna throw stones sometimes at Mr. Pack can’t figure [chuckles] all of this out. I mean, I I get deeply frustrated with myself. I never get frustrated with God, but it just I thought, you know, maybe it would be good if we just went really deeply into how difficult some of this is so you could be just as periodically miserable as I am. I I mean, misery loves company. This some of this is hard.

Flashback Part 516 – June 8, 2024
@ 00:47 WE’VE had a lot of different aborted dates. If you wanna say while WE’VE learned more and more about God’s plan, WE’VE never really pinned down when it would start. But, you will stand up on Monday …and you will say, “This really is the day.” That’s what you will say. You will not doubt it.

In June, the members who did not doubt were revealed to be gullible lemmings who abandoned thinking for themselves. It is theological buffoonery to accept anything Dave says. One week after proving January 29 was it, he transformed the faithful RCG brethren into misguided idiots for professing agreement.

Part 551 – December 31, 2024
@ 1:06:55 Go over to Acts 3. What a powerful discovery I made, and I'm gonna share it with you now.

 

Motivated by the inspiration of Dave's false god, he speaks with unwavering power and clarity. Kinda.

@ 1:15:17 The First Kingdom, I’m gonna just say, the First Kingdom has to start on a Sabbath... It wouldn’t be wrong if it were a new moon. I guess you could say Shevat 1 is a possibility, but it’s not a Sabbath. I absolutely rule out Shevat 1 [January 29]. I I actually don’t think we’re gonna get there. But you it cannot be Shevat 1. Now, if it’s gonna be a new moon and a Sabbath, it could be Adar 1 [February 28].

Did his authoritative certainty give you goosebumps?

@ 1:30:52 The evidence for all this general timing has become so strong I would have no idea what other period of time would work. I have no idea.

David C. Pack often lies to the brethren of The Restored Church because he cannot help himself in 3…2…1…

@ 1:31:02 And I’m not literally going to eh–ever get into date setting.

The Pastor General is a sad, confused man who lives only in the present and cannot remember the past or contemplate the future. He proves with his own human steam-powered lips that his words cannot be trusted.

Flashback Part 172 – April 27, 2019
@ 1:03:50 I’ll never ever, ever again say the day.

Flashback Part 389 – August 24, 2022
@ 52:41 Therefore, if you're gonna say the same thing again…it looks like he didn't say the date the first time either, and I won’t do it. And I’m sorry that I ever did.

Figuring out the date for the return of Jesus Christ is the effort of human steam. True God-fueled inspiration is correct the first time. It is not a process of “trial and error or hit and miss” theology, as Dave promotes.

Part 551 – December 31, 2024
@ 1:31:09 I’m not absolutely certain of the exact date but but I’ve long held WE’VE gone back and forth on it. I’ll just say, to a strong idea that’s grown far stronger over time. It's all through the Bible, and it’s before Shevat 1 [January 29]. It may not be true, but it cannot be far off, and you you you now understand why.

David C. Pack operates on human steam because God is not guiding him. And he knows it.

But don’t believe me. Believe your Bible.

2 Timothy 3:7
Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Ephesians 4:14
…be no more children, tossed to and fro,
and carried about with every wind of doctrine…

Jeremiah 23:21
I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran:
I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

Marc Cebrian

see: On Human Steam 

When Disaster Strikes Is The Church of God Ready To Respond And Lend A Hand?

 

With the immense tragedies here in Southern CA with the fires, it has been amazing to watch as people immediately banded together within hours to start providing clothing, essentials, and housing for those displaced. Churches and Jewish centers were some of the first to start relief efforts. Local charities and companies started efforts down at the Rose Bowl and later moved to the Santa Anita Race track when the Bowl needed to be used for stationing firemen and electric company line repairmen.

Numerous churches and a large Jewish center burned here in Altadena and locals banded together to help them. It did not matter what group the church was, people jumped to help.

Then, there is the Armstrongist Church of God movement. The crickets can be heard chirping a mile away in the deafening silence from any leader who asked members to lend a hand or help with money. All we have heard is the usual bullshit - from the slim-ball leaders who immediately started the blame game and said how pissed their god was at the sins of California. (Yes, I am talking about YOU, Bob Thiel!)

Yet, in spite of their rhetoric, if one of their churches had burned, the community would have been swift to help them, much like the public did after the Living Church of God shooting by Terry Ratzmann. The public support was amazing to see, even though Bob Thiel dirted his underwear at how offensive it was that Christians had placed crosses in the snow in memory of each of the murder victims. 

The excuse that Armstrongism has always used is that God will fix it all later in the millennium, so why waste efforts and especially money on the unconverted, unclean masses. Of course, this proves just how easily the church twisted scripture to fit their desired result.

Concretized Christianity had this up about how easily the church twists scriptures:

“But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.” (II Corinthians 9:6-7) is often read before taking up an offering, as if it applies to giving money to a corporate organization. But, when you read the context in II Corinthians 8, it is really about collecting an offering for another congregation (in Jerusalem) in need.

So beyond the misuse of the scriptures for something it’s not talking about, let’s stop and consider whether we have ever had a request to help another congregation in need. Have you seen a collective effort for food, water, money, supplies, etc., for example, for a congregation in an area that has been devastated by a tornado, a wildfire, or a hurricane? Have volunteers from the COG congregations poured into those communities to help out? 

 

The short answer is “No.” The corporate COG groups diss “so-call Christians” for many things, and yet these are the very people who respond in a tangible way after a disaster. Want to make disciples and preach the gospel? Live it by helping and serving others, especially when their worlds have been turned upside down. 

 

In fact, is this any different than what we will be doing when Jesus establishes God’s kingdom on the earth? Humans who are still alive are going to be shell-shocked and they will need the most basic of their needs met. Food, water, shelter, clothing. 

 

Someone thumping on a Bible and “preaching” at them won’t help them a bit. Someone helping provide those basic necessities will. In the process, they will see the fruit of God’s spirit on display: agape, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. That will make an impact, considering what they have just experienced, and that’s the first step. 

 

One of the things that the COG groups imply is that we’ll have offices and ranks and we will sit on thrones and direct little underlings, but you and I won’t actually get in there and get our hands dirty laboring to help people. For me, that’s no better than the idea of going to heaven and playing a harp for eternity. Lifting Scriptures Out of Context

What we have witnessed here in Southern CA is the beauty of the people in the area and the kindness and goodness in their hearts. Their immediate thought was about "the other" and not themselves. In Armstrongism it was always about us first because we were special and set apart and never on "the other".

Can you imagine a Church of God doing what this church is doing this coming Sunday?

I will take that any day over the belching toads like Bob Thiel or Gerald Flurry and the adulterated filth they preach.

Los Angeles fires are the result of an angry "god" that is still upset over CA placing the WCG in receivership in 1979

 

Lil'Stevie Flurry popped his self-righteous cork the other day about the tragic fires in CA. Lil'Stevie is still upset that the State of CA went after the Worldwide Church of God for misuse of money back in 1979.

He starts off with the perpetually angry god of the PCG who revels in killing people and destroying property through earthquakes, floods, and fire. The Flurry's have created a pissy little god that is mad about everything they tell it to be mad about. Those rebellious, filthy people in California need to be punished, so do as we say and burn them up! We are not like them lord! Make them pay for their sins, unlike we, who are perfect in your sight.

But even worse, the impotent little god of the PCG is still pissed off in 2025 with the California government for daring to sue the WCG. How dare they!

Hollywood liberals and establishment politicians may consider themselves too sophisticated to believe it, but the Bible says God punishes us with “natural” disasters. Isaiah 29:6 says, “Thou shalt be visited of the Lord of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.” California certainly is being “visited” with “the flame of devouring fire” this week. And as far back as 2003, my father, Trumpet editor in chief Gerald Flurry, has pointed out that California’s mega-drought is a result of this state’s rebellion against God and His law. Specifically, my father has pointed out that God is punishing California for the vicious legal attack it launched against the late Herbert W. Armstrong in 1979.

“In an overt attack against Mr. Armstrong, the state of California, through the attorney general’s office, launched a massive lawsuit against the [Worldwide Church of God] in 1979,” he wrote in his December 2003 article “Is California Under a Curse?” He continued:

On January 3, that office initiated a sudden, armed assault on the Pasadena headquarters, in an attempt to claim ownership of the Church’s property and assets as well as its continuing income—in violation of the U.S. Constitution. A receiver, secretly appointed by the court, tried to take over and operate God’s Church. Completely false, outrageous and baseless allegations of financial mismanagement were made—despite financial and all other required records having been regularly and voluntarily filed. No evidence of wrongdoing was ever found, and on Oct. 14, 1980, the attorney general dropped all charges and dismissed the case. Later, the higher appellate court ruled that the lawsuit was without foundation. California is the only state that ever attacked Mr. Armstrong and his work. Actually, it attacked a lot more than that. California really attacked the living God!

California has been saturated with God’s warning message probably more than any other state. Yet rather than turn to God in repentance, the people of this state attacked Mr. Armstrong and the Church of God before going on to promote “gay pride,” the “lgbtq+ agenda” and “San Francisco values.” Even in the midst of the wildfires, the California media is praising the efforts of lesbian firefighters rather than repenting.

California has not been saturated with warnings from Armstrong or Flurry. How can a "thing" from "someplace" be a warning to anyone? Who even knows what that thing is? How can a man who was embarrassed to talk about Jesus issue any warning to anyone, and why would ANYONE ever listen?

You've never heard the Flurry clan talk about the crime or GLBT issues in Edmond or the state of Oklahoma. Nope, because they know they will get their asses creamed in the press, and right now, they are courting Edmond officials and the public by wooing them into concerts in their mini-me auditorium. You also never see them mention the gay people from their own Celtic Dance teams dancing across the stage and who represent them in public shows. Useful gays are always good gays. No one gives a flying rat's ass if the firefighter coming to your rescue when your house is on fire is a lesbian. It irritates many of these COG leaders that so many gay and lesbian firefighters are more butch than they are.

Armstrongism has always been filled with hypocritical leaders who run off at the mouth with stupid accusations, believing they are right in the eyes of their little angry gods. Some things never change.