Aleksandar Sasha Veljic : More on Bob Thiel's Cover Ups In Africa

 

So that Terry`s words of the scandals I was suffering about for 6 years would not be just words, let me illustrate it. After my visit to Africa in 2017, I had a very strong feelings that those attending CCOG there really had no idea about the Bible prophecies. I reported my feelings to Bob Thiel, so perhaps that is why he might have been suspicious about whether those attendees there understand all that we teach. The second scandal I witnessed was that nobody has ever anointed sick in Kenya. To his credit, Bob Thiel did write to Evans about that, but did Evans care? Of course not. Being loose there and having a total trust of Bob Thiel he has been abusing widely his position. When Terry returned from Africa, I asked him if he had ever seen Evans or any deacon anoint the sick. As I presumed, no Terry hadn`t seen it. In other words, those people in Africa resist to change and bring themselves into the harmony with Christ and the Bible, which just proves to me that many of them are not interested in Christ-like life, but their goal is to milk as much money from CCOG leader as they could.

There was another scandal when Evans told me with much pride how he took one of his sons to the Kenyan army. So, that son was fighting Islamic insurgents in Kenya. At that time, as Evans told me with not small pride, his son was a "cadet". I was shocked. And that was an indication to me that African CCOG members don`t really understand Church teachings. I informed Bob Thiel about this, but I have never heard anything about it afterwards.

Another shock came to me as I returned home. One Kenyan from another Church of God informed me that the other son of Evans participated in the election campaign in 2017. Now, that is not a small thing and, as a representative of Bob Thiel, I surely had to be informed about it. The fact that I was not informed about it told me that they did not want CCOG to know about it. Surely, I informed Bob Thiel who took a swift action to tell Evans` son, who was in that same year appointed a deacon, while his father was appointed an evangelist, that Church members are not to be active in the politics. They both, the father and the son, promised to Bob Thiel they were never again do any such thing. However, last year the same happened: there was Evans` son again in political campaign, but he did not inform Bob Thiel about it. Terry obtained all the official documents from the Kenyan election board. I also checked online the site of that body and found the name of Evans` son listed as an independent candidate in his district. Moreover, Evans` son didn`t even hide his political engagement on his Facebook profile, so the whole world could see his political rallies, posters, Orange coalition promotional material and congratulations sent to him. When Bob Thiel tried to convince me that someone had put Evans` son name on the ballot without Evans` son being aware of that, I reminded him of all this evidence. When he persisted in that claim, my common sense was totally offended. Evans` son was removed supposedly from the position of deacon, but it was never officially announced. However, he was caught preaching at CCOG and the video recording of that has been obtained. What does that all tell us? That nobody can rely on any reports from Kenya. Bob Thiel was lied twice about an important matter. Naturally, one would pose a question as to how many other lies they have been telling me? Yet, he does not question the honesty, integrity and conversion (or at least a level of conversion) of his favorite "evangelist". And it seems he is willing to defend him to the last silly argument that he can come up with. As Terry said, I endured the African CCOG non-sense for years. I could no longer take it. And once Terry presented me evidence, now I had something that I could call upon and use it to finally remove myself from that cancer on the Body of Christ.

Aleksandar Sasha Veljic "...membership of entire countries have departed from CCOG"

Yes, his claim to be the fastest growing Church of God was based on his bogus African membership numbers. And some of us were grieved, while others laughed at that bogus. We were hoping that he might finally see through all that sham he called "the open door in Africa". However, once we realized he would ignore all the evidence, and once we experienced that the words of his "evangelist" Evans is for him above any word or testimony coming from anyone else, I realized there was no hope and I finally understood that CCOG was no longer place for me. Since Bob really does not have any real understanding of what is going on in Africa, but he relies only on the reports he gets from "evangelist" Evans, he may not be even aware of the consequences in Africa, which is that there are even less members than before. In some cases, membership of the entire countries have departed from CCOG, or better said have liberated themselves from Evans spiritual oppression. Non-Africans who have endured all that sham for years share in their joy of liberation. On top of that, for the first time now I am learning of more of corruption and crimes of that African "evangelist" that some members are coming forward to tell me. The abuse that a small congregation in Tanzania suffered is incredible and provides even more proof that Evans Ochieng is not only a false Christian preacher, but a false Christian as well. Aleksandar Sasha Veljic

Wyatt Ciesielka Dreams Up New Excuse On Keeping The Law

From a reader:
 

In an article attempting to debunk Messianic Judaism, Wyatt Ciesielka has this to say about Paul in Galatians 3:23-25 where he talks about the law being a "tutor" till the New Covenant arrived, but then he claims the law is still in effect because Galatians is talking about minor laws, not the major laws.

What are the 613 mitzvot? First, it is helpful to explain what they are not. The 613 mitzvot are not the law of God—they are not the Ten Commandments or the Holy Days, nor are they even the sacrificial system or the Old Covenant. The 613 mitzvot are simply a multitude of rabbinic ordinances (in Greek, dogma) based on human interpretations of Scripture, which in some cases are valid instruction for right worship, but in other instances are instruction only for a temporary time or situation. In other instances, they are misinterpretations of Scripture, and in still other instances they are part of “the law”—not the Ten Commandments, but the lower-case law, which included the “tutor.” This, as Paul noted in Galatians 3:23–25, was superseded by the New Covenant.

 

Bob Thiel Claiming A Deep Fake Made Adultery Allegations Against African Leaders And That The Accusers Keep Changing Their Stories.

Can Bob Thiel get any crazier? This time he is going out of his way to justify himself as a church leader, particularly the dreams he and a few of his cohorts have had. He just cannot handle the fact that people do not believe him, his cohorts, and their nightmares.

In his deluded and confused mind, he believes that there is only ONE MAN doing a work today and that is himself, divinely appointed by some kind of creature he calls god.

Then he takes a bold leap and levels an allegation against his detractors (as he sees them) Aleksandar Sasha Veljic and Terry Nelson and that it is INAPPORIATE for these men to come up from the BOTTOM from amongst the people and hold him accountable. Accountability is ONLY from the TOP!

He then goes on claim there is no truth against certain African church leaders. Thiel also claims that possibly a "deep fake" on Facebook made the adultery allegations. See, I said Bob can't get any crazier!

Thiel is also claiming his accusers broke promises and changed their stories. This idiocy just keeps getting worse!

Hierarchical Governance and Corruption
Does the Bible support democracy or top down government for the Church of God? Does God work, primarily, through one human leader at a time? Did the late Pastor General of the old Worldwide Church of God, Herbert W. Armstrong, repeatedly teach that God worked primarily through “ONE MAN AT A TIME, though with others (male and female) assisting that leader? Who is that one man now? Who should be eliminated as being that one man? Would we expect that one man would be part of UCG, PCG, LCG, COGWA, RCG, or CCOG? Could God have given one or more Divine signs to point out who that one man is? What type of government will be in the Kingdom of God? Are we to be preparing to be kings and priests now? Is it appropriate to want to push for a non-top down from God’s government if there is some type of corruption in the organization he leads? What about 1 Samuel 8:1-20 and 1 Samuel 12:1-5? Did Jesus have any financially corrupt with Him? What are allegations that have been raised against Radson Mulozowa, Bradox Ochieng, and Evans Ochieng? Is there any truth to any of them? If so, which? Could there have been some type of deepfake related to an alleged Facebook Messenger chat related to claims of adultery? Does Laodicea mean ‘people decide’ or ‘judgment of the people’? Should Christians be ‘independents’? What about being ‘congregationalists’? Have various accusers changed their stories or broke promises? What should those who consider themselves to be faithful Philadelphians do? Dr. Thiel deals with these and other matters.

One thing I can know for certain is that Veljic and Nelso are far more truthful than ANYTHING Bob Thiel has ever said. Bob got caught in a rather humiliating public way with his personality cult being proven corrupt. No matter how much he spins the story it only gets worse for Bob.