Dennis on "Post Theological Stress Disorder"

P(T)TSD

Post Theological Stress Disorder

I would have liked to think I could have blown this all off or chalked it all easily up to just another experience in life, but after way too long, I admit  to the fact that for me, the WCG experience has left me with an ongoing case of P(T)TSD.  And no, I am not being cute or flippant about it.  I will leave posting or not posting this up to the Blogmeister.  He knows me very well and has been a great help through the years aside from inviting me to write on his blog.  It is something I'd like to say but perhaps should not get all that personal about.  We'll see.  I don't want to make this decision at this point and I think I have the freedom to do it with NO2HWA.

There are several reasons why being open and honest about feelings, emotions, perspectives and such can be foolish in most groups.  I have been told that and experienced the truth of it from time to time.  One always runs the risk of the "all you ministers...."  deserve what you get or some kind of scorn when drifting over the boundaries between this is how I feel and this is unique to just me.  I am well aware of how many have suffered in many ways .  The experience is not unique to humans but it is unique to this one. 

A few weeks ago I got a "you have email from Ms SuzyQ" from a dating site.  This dating site thing has not been the greatest experience and I let it go but this one came in just under the wire.   "Hi....I just read your profile.  It was fascinating. Until I got to the part where you 'used' to be a minister.  You must be a jerk."   Lol.  That's the South for you.  So being or not being at this point is a losing proposition no matter which way one goes.  I wrote asking why the hell she would waste her time to send me that message but as yet have not had a response.  

The last ten years have been difficult and I'd have thought it would not take so long to process this .  Divorce, broken relationships with people I love deeply and always will and with those I thought I did but disappeared and apparently were users,  and other "stuff" have taken its toll.  I either have the chemistry from hell, am too sensitive to changes in life or defective.  I chose to go with the first two but leave the door open to other realities.  Depression, which seems to me to be anger turned inward or too expensive to express is there.  Anxiety about how the future can possible work out lurks.  Sometimes I wake up at night, think a thought and it sets off a cascade of thoughts that lead to being up the rest of the night just holding the pillow close because my stomach hurts now. Sometimes I have trouble just breathing or sitting still.  My head runs like a freight train and fixing is not an option for the most part, just acceptance.  

Chewie the Wookie does help  and is about the most loyal creature I have ever encountered. 

It was only this week that I can admit that I have PTSD in the classic and very real sense.  For me, this whole WCG experience, aside from many wonderful experiences along the way, has turned out to be traumatic, emotionally, physically and spiritually.  Dark nights of souls and all that.  

All my life in the ministry I was told after speaking or privately when talking about many things over the years that I "ahead of my time," and that "you say things I'm only thinking."  I used to think that was a compliment but it is a formula for eventual Crucifixion or stake burning evidently.  One prominent WCG Executive type told me way back that he didn't understand why I was in the ministry of WCG and didn't need to be because it didn't fit me, whatever that meant.  I think I now know what he meant.  

One minister told me when I left on my first ministerial assignment from college, "for you, the sky is the limit."   That both perplexed and then annoyed me as it honestly would not have crossed my mind that the sky being the limit was a goal of ministry.  It was an odd comment.  

Here is the typical list of the symptoms of PTSD minus the ones I did not feel I experience or maybe too personal even for me to write about.  

Enormous Feelings of Betrayal

Feeling of Spiritual Rape of the SoulComplex Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder 1

Several of a cluster of symptoms can develop, including spontaneous crying, suicidal thoughts, emotional numbing, phobias, social withdrawal, flashbacks, amnesia, anxiety, depression, shame, guilt, self-loathing, fear of going insane.

Identity Confusion/disorientation

Dissociation

Panic and Anxiety Attacks

Obsessive Thoughts

Alcohol abuse

Depression

Problems or Inability in Making Decisions

Fear/General Anxiety Disorder  (GAD)

Grief & Sense of Loss

Grieving loss of innocence, idealism, spirituality, self, pride; sense of purpose, meaning and belonging in life; no support system; friends and family; loss of time, goals and youth

Guilt/Shame

Lack of Trust

Profound Skepticism

Intense Loneliness

Sense of Purposelessness & Disconnection

Missing the peak experiences of the group

Sense of Isolation/Alienation

"No one understands what I am going through."

Overly Critical of Oneself and Others

Problems Having Boundaries

Feelings of Inferiority and Worthlessness

Sleep Disorders

Including nightmares and insomnia

Fear of Intimacy and Commitment

Anger or Rage

Toward the group and leader; towards oneself; suppression of anger in the cult actually contributed to depression and sense of helplessness

Problems with Career or Employment

Family Issues

Spiritual (or philosophical) issues

Impatience with the Recovery Process

Ouch!  All very familiar.  I only find solace in the fact that if millions did not react this way there would not be such a list in the first place.  I mean the reasons Barnes and Noble has isles of self help books and such is because millions are seeking help!    On the other hand, I believe with all my being that had I gone to the Wesleyan  Seminary instead of WCG I would have had a similar crisis of faith as my natural tendencies and questioning nature of all things theological and Bible would have still existed.  I may have had a different story, different players and even different family and kids , but the experience would have played out much the same I believe.  I could be wrong.  The Methodist would have allowed one to hold different views and not endanger the rest of the life's security.   I don't know if I would have had the same personal challenges that I did or come up with new and different ones but I suspect the story would have been similar.


So, why bother writing about this.  I dunno.  I just want to.  It's been one of those weeks I suppose (See above list) and it helps me to share and the beat can go on.  I assume I am not alone in these experiences.  I am not really pleased with myself for the length of time this seems to take.  Maybe I will never get past it or maybe it always will occupy a huge portion of my life experiences.  "Just forget it," doesn't see to work well.  I probably have ADD and touch of LMNOP.  


Member or Minister, I don't think it makes much difference when the world of theology one adopts seems so secure, so safe and so meaningful and then falls apart.  I don't feel safe or secure anymore and while learning is enjoyable for me, meaning still escapes me as I am sure it does for many others.  I tried going to a liberal church but had an anxiety attack and felt I could have given a much better sermon and why he got paid for that. lol.  I've prayed a few time as in days gone by and not much seems to come from that.  I even tried to read the Bible again "for the very first time," and....nope.  Doesn't work for me except some of the more encouraging parts which are also found in many other kinds of books.

 
At any rate, thanks for listening if you get to read this!  I always defined the WCG experience as "one damned thing after the next."  And this was true.  It helps me a bit to chat and perhaps it can help others not feel so weird or slow in the recovery process as well. 
Thanks!

DennisCDiehl@aol.com

E.W.King: It's Now Time To Withdraw Your Chidlren From Babylonian Public Schools and Homeschool Them

Poor E. W. King.  Such a world class prophet and no one pays any attention to him!  The world is going to hell and people are not interested in his message.

*We are living in interesting times. Times of stress and great anxiety. Some things we see happening in school’s today…the violence and drug use. Has any pagan noticed that the violence is with children? This means there is something wrong with the parents. If you own guns in your homes with young children, shouldn’t you have the guns locked up in a safe place? Children are a reflection of their parents. Then you have idiots like Piers Morgan on CNN [Communist News Network] attacking the United States Constitution. Indeed, there is only one true REMNANT left of God’s people. It is time to stand up and speak out! For true Christians it is time to speak forth the true Commandments of God. It is time to return to true doctrine. The pagan religious systems are destroying this great nation. [It started with latter-day Rome]

I have warned for three years now and will warn here again: True Christians please Home School your children! Get them out of Babylonian public schools!

Living in the mountains I have learned to take care of myself. Most people today couldn’t survive if the banks shut down or all electricity was shut off. They would panic. Are young men today taught how to kill their own food? Take care of their own families? No! They have no true survival skills. They would panic if they could no longer use their cell phone. They would panic if their ATM card no longer worked. This is the frightening world that we are living in.

Isolating ones self away from civilizations also causes many men to go crazy.  Case in point.....

According to King present society is all on drugs or addicted to their computers:

*People have relied on electronic devices to the point that they no longer have natural skills of survival. These people who write all these ‘New Age’ books sit in front of their computers drinking coffee [or an ‘energy drink’] and come across like they have ‘all the answers’. They would cry like little babies if their computers were taken away from them or even their cell phones. They need drugs and electronic gadgets to live. They know no other life style. 

Because humanity's too busy drinking their lattes or energy drinks they are failing to see King's extraordinary prophetic warnings and he is NOT happy!

A rude awakening is coming to this nation according to the Bible. People who have not been paying attention are in for a great shock! We are approaching the “Great Tribulation”. The Bible warns about what is just around the corner…but nobody is listening!

I warned in my last year predictions for 2013 : “Air wars will happen with military jets & drones involving more than three countries. These wars [air wars] will continue to become a norm. Militaries will try and rule the skies. America will announce a new ‘space program’. We will see navel battles. The ocean has yet to be conquered! All of this will bring new standards and world boundaries along with new naval technology. Big countries will fight for border definitions. World War 3 will be discussed!”

If you have been visiting this BLOG [COGSR] and have been reading EVERY ARTICLE you KNOW what we have been proclaiming is TRUE! You are without excuse! Why not study with us? LOOK, we here at COGSR take very seriously our Great Commission.

Those left in the true Conservative “parties” will be attacked by the liberals to the point that they [the “Controllers” -liberals] will try and take away our right to “free speech”. 

*Be aware, there are people out there that want to kill children [abortion], destroy marriage [with ‘homosexual marriage’], take people’s right to protect their families away from them [take your guns], and want BIG GOVERNEMENT to control what size soda you wish to buy. These are scary people! Adolf Hitler did this and now, some in the American government are trying to do this. True Christians…please do not give up your freedoms! Stand up and fight for what is right!

May God show His mercy upon you.

Yes, you stupid morons, for failing to listen to my warnings may God be merciful as he punishes you.

It's 2013 and UCG Still Cannot Figure Out the Purpose of the Church

While still on Worldwide Church of God payroll various ministers started meeting on the Pasadena campus to begin the formation of a breakaway COG.  Many of these men during the day were actively part of the WCG changes and disfellowshipped all kinds of people for not going along with the changes.  After destroying lives during the day they then would gather in various 360, 380 and 390 apartments to plot their new church. Most knew their jobs were at risk because of plummeting income (tithing was no longer commanded.)  In order to keep their lifestyle intact they needed another avenue of support.  What better way to ensure that than to boldly proclaim you were stepping out on faith in order to preserve the truth.  Gullible members would flock to them with their wallets open.

Once they had apostatized they set about establishing United Church of God.  Articles of incorporation were established, bylaws written and vision statements made.

UCG saw its self as a corporate church as

3.1 PURPOSE FOR THE CHURCH
God’s purpose for His Church is to prepare those willing to live His way of righteousness and self-control to function as His instruments in the administration of salvation to humanity, and to demonstrate His wisdom to His spiritual creation.

Apparently Melvin Rhodes was not happy with this statement and sought to change it.  He could only garner two present council members to support a change causing it to be shelved.

The Council then shifted to the proposed amendment about the purpose statement for the Church (Article 3.1). Several Council members expressed the need for amending its wording. To advance the amendment to the annual conference ballot requires the support of at least four Council members, but it received only two. This amendment will now be sent to the GCE where it will need at least 25 percent support to be placed on the annual conference ballot.

Now, in 2013, Melvin Rhodes has been banished in disgrace and the measure is up for consideration to change again. 

Proposal for Council Response to a Proposed Amendment
In reference to a recently submitted, proposed amendment to Article 3.1 of the Constitution, some on the Council thought that a statement of concern was needed. On behalf of the Roles and Rules Committee Roc Corbett presented for Council’s consideration a proposed “statement of concern” as worded below.

Statement of Concern
Article 3.1 as currently worded does deserve some amending, and the Council agrees with the authors in this regard. We would like to thank the authors for bringing this to the attention of the Council and of the GCE. However, the wording in the proposed amendment is not a solution to the problem in the view of the Council. The proposal mixes concepts that are from the mission of the church rather than concisely defining the purpose for the church, therefore drifting from the intent of the Article as implied in the title.

The Council feels that the “Purpose of the Church” is such an important subject that it should be very well defined, and that the proposed amendment does not add clarity to this understanding.

You would think that with UCG being just a few years away from it's 20 anniversary of apostasy that they would have figured out the reason for their existence by now.

E.W.King: Adam, Eve, Noah and Jesus Were PURE 100% White

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It has always been vitally important in the Churches of God that Adam and Eve, Jesus, and all the rest of the biblical characters be lily white in complexion.  How else can you substantiate the myth of British Israelism.

For many decades interracial marriage was prohibited in the Church of God.  Blacks and whites did not mix freely in worship services and black members were relegated to one or two Feast sites. People wanting to join the church had their marriages broken up if they were of different races. Blacks could not dance with whites at church dances.  Particularly if it was a black man and a white woman.  Tongues really started wagging then!

Various Armstrongite splinter groups decry the interracial marriage change in the church.  E.W. King is one of these.

E. W. King says that Noah was the most pure white man ever.  100% white, in intermarriage in that genetic strain!  No sirree!

It could only be eating improper food, drinking excessively of alcoholic drinks, revelings (Gal. 5:21), rioting, violence. Marrying, to be evil, had to be as in Genesis 6:2, when men "took them wives of all which they chose." There was rampant and universal interracial marriage--so exceedingly universal that Noah, only, was unblemished or perfect in his generations--his ancestry. He was of the original white strain.

It is amply evident that by the time of Noah there were at least the three primary or major racial strains on earth, the white, yellow and black, although interracial marriage produced many racial mixtures. 

God does not reveal in the Bible the precise origin of the different races. It is evident that Adam and Eve were created white. God's chosen nation Israel was white. Jesus was white. But it is a fair conjecture that in mother Eve were created ovaries containing the yellow and black genes, as well as white, so that some of the children of Adam and Eve gave rise to black, yellow, as well as white. 

King wants you to know that white is the chosen race but but yet is not superior?

The one man God chose to PRESERVE the human race alive after the Flood was perfect in his generations--all his ancestry back to Adam was of the one strain, and undoubtedly that happened to be white--not that white is in any sense superior. 

Interbreeding and intermarriage is the same in Kings eyes.  It dilutes and corrupts the pure race.

If you are a livestock breeder, planning to enter your prize animals in a livestock show--perhaps at a state or county fair--you will be sure to enter only thoroughbred or pedigreed stock! Mixing the breed alters the characteristics. 

It is still the fervent desire of many Armstrongite groups that in their fantasy world tomorrow that the black races will all be shipped back to Africa where they will live together and the whites will stay in the U.S., England, New Zealand, Canada and a few other choice locations.

World Tomorrow Men Will Rule, Women Not So Much If At All

Remember how we were taught the story on how when we are resurrected as gods that we would be rulers of worlds?  Remember HWA's power charts on leadership?

Here is a reminder.  Pay attention to HWA's wording at the end.  Women get the short shift again which was conveniently glossed over in all my years in the organization.  Have you ever noticed that Armstrongism is all about power?  Power over others by forced rule.  Law vs grace. Law vs freedom.

The strident law keepers on Yahoo are trotting this silliness out in order to prepare themselves to be world class rulers.

it becomes plain that Abraham will be given a greater position of authority in God’s Kingdom than David - and that he will be over both Israelites and Gentiles. He is “father” of Gentile converts as well as Israelites. It is plainly indicates that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, will function as a team, with Abraham as chairman of the team, next under Christ in the coming world Government of God. Jesus Himself said, definitely, that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob shall be in that Kingdom (Luke 13:28 ). Joseph qualified in a special way, but we shall come back to him a little later.

under Christ as King of kings, and under Christ’s top team - will be Moses over all organized national and international government; and Elijah, over all organized church, religious and educational activity.

Apparently HWA saw nothing wrong with the fact that 2000 years have went by and humanity has increased in education and knowledge, yet Moses will be instructing the world how to run their governments according to the Egyptian style from 2,000+ years ago.  Elijah will be whipping churches and educational institutions into shape according to the methods of education 2,000+ years ago.  Since most were uneducated and illiterate, its sure going to make for an interesting world tomorrow!

King David, resurrected, immortal, under Moses, over all twelve nations of Israel. Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24-25. Each of the original twelve apostles will be king, under David, over one of these then super-prosperous nations. Matthew 19:28. Under the apostles, each now king over a great nation, will be the rulers over districts, states, shires, counties or provinces, and over cities.

These will be the true COG members who qualified.  They treated people like crap all their lives, yet will be given cities to rule over.  Spare us please!

But what of all the Gentile nations? Who will be given top positions of rule over them? There is strong indication - not a definite, specific statement -but indication, according to principles and specific assignments that are revealed, that the Prophet Daniel will be made king over them all, directly under Moses. 

It seems evident, that Joseph will be made director of the world’s economy - its agriculture, its industry, its technology, and its commerce - as well as its money and monetary system. These systems will be on the international level, the same in every nation.

Joseph will be teaching the worlds economies how to function according to Egyptian desert life?

Job will be in charge of restoring the destroyed cities of the world.  Apparently this is because his entire family and household was destroyed and he had to rebuild it.  The lengths the Church went to "prove" this kind of malarkey is appalling!

Christ, Himself, will be ruling from Jerusalem. Stationed there with Christ, under immediate direction of Elijah, it is indicated, will be those changed to Spirit chosen by Christ to constitute the Headquarters Church. Revelation 3:12 indicates those of this " Philadelphia ” era will be pillars in that Headquarters Church. Next, in this all-important Headquarters Church organization, working with and directly under Elijah, it appears, will be the resurrected John the Baptist. He came “in the power and spirit of (Elijah)” Luke 1:17. Of him, Jesus said, “Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist ...” Matthew 11:11. He was the Elijah prophesied to come. Matthew 17:10 -13; and 11:7-11.

Jesus Christ is going to have his hands full if HQ leaders of the different COGs all converge on Jerusalem. The corruption, greed, back stabbing and outright criminal activity will make for one super colossal HQ!  Will  Jesus Christ be kept out of the loop like they did with HWA?

Someone may ask, “What about the women?” Yes, there were outstanding women- Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel. There were Miriam, Deborah, and others. Sarah is called the mother of righteous women in the New Testament I Peter 3:6. Deborah actually judged, or ruled  Israel for a time. Their status in the Kingdom will be the same as men. We would certainly suppose that women such as these will be given high position and great honor in the Kingdom. But we do not presume, in this present writing, to suggest what it shall be.

Poor, dumb women.  Its better to keep you barefoot and pregnant than to have you rule over the men of the church or the world.

Doesn't this stuff sound incredibly silly now that you are no longer part of the myths of Armstrongism?

Weinland Juror: Ron, Laura, Audra, Jeremy, Church Elders -YOU PEOPLE ARE REPULSIVE TRASH.

From: False Prophet Ron Weinland

bags juror #199 says:

January 14, 2013 at 12:09

The reason I spend a little time on the blog and continue to do so is the simple fact of trying to help bring Ron and the Weinland Clan all the way down. They need to be eliminated to a point where NOBODY IS SENDING THEM ANY MONEY.

What I saw in court was enough to make anyone sick. What he does is wRONg, wRONg, wRONg!!! As I stated to Mike before just get one person out and then another will follow and another. It will be an exhausting and tedious task but I am sure followers are looking at this blog. We have witnessed this. Some may be drive by rubber necking but they are looking and maybe thinking about trying to be rational and getting ready to put their running shoes on.

I think Ron himself may look at the blog. If not he may have others keeping an eye out. Who knows? What else does he have to do all day? He may need some intel so he can gear his sermons and cover himself a bit.????? He obviously knows this blog is out there and cast some type of voodoo magical spell on people here which has not worked. Better luck next time, ya fire breathing fool!! I think the average person would look if there was a blog about them.

I want to see a huge injustice fixed just as everyone else here does. The IRS could only fix part of Ron’s overall fraudulent scheme. The IRS may have been a crippling blow to Ron but who knows what amount of money he has stashed or what amount continues coming in. You can assume it is being closely watched. The overall opinion of Ron with the jurors? It would be fair to say that he is looked at as a con-artist scumbag that should have had more charges brought upon him and his Clan. My opinion is that they should ALL be sitting in prison. Wife, daughter, son, elders and ALL! YOU PEOPLE ARE REPULSIVE TRASH.

Dave Pack Gloats That Virtually ALL Former and Splinter COG members Will Join His Group Within 1-2 Years!

After a long dry spell the apostle Dave is back gloating about what a magnificent Church he leads.  It has been a great year for the TRUE Christians in the RCG who God favors highly while punishing the pagan filth around the rest of the world. RCG members are set apart from the evil hitting the world right now because they are soooooooooooooooo special.  The called out ones, the chosen few, the elite, the future rulers of space worlds and gods to be.

The year 2012 is now behind us. What a wonderful year it was for God’s Church. Sadly, it was the worst year on record for all nations of Earth. The masses are frightened as never before about what lies in store for the world—and themselves. Sadly, few understand and almost no one is preparing for the “snare” that Jesus Christ warned of in Luke 21:35 that will “come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.” The result will be that few will “escape all these things” (vs. 36) that Jesus described. Millions in the world, but also many of God’s people, think they are “spiritually prepared,” yet will soon wish they had been more careful—more thoughtful—about their spiritual condition.

All of those foolish COG groups that split off and formed irrelevant groups like United Church of God, Living Church of God and Philadelphia Church of God have absolutely NO fruit to show for their apostasy.  Only Dave has had mind numbing growth unparalleled in the COG universe!

The organizations (small, medium and large) that formed from the Worldwide Church of God in the wake of the apostasy grew very little or in most cases not at all in 2012! In fact many, or even most, declined in size, and in virtually all well-established categories of measuring fruit. Ironically, these organizations each month post their Member Letters before the whole world on their websites in hopes that such “trolling” for members will yield growth. (Why else would one address a letter to one set of people and then send it to everyone else?) But, with God having supplied no fruit to back up their organizations—since He is not leading them—the growth never comes. How is it that they are not embarrassed—ashamed—to post such hollow letters?

I  am, sure Dave is cowering in his shoes right now with the prospect of prophet Thiel's new group. Whats with the "trolling" accusation? That is certainly rich coming from a church that has bragged about the ministers and members they have stolen from UCG and others recently.

But we DO have the fruit—TREMENDOUS fruit!—that the other organizations lack. This is because we also DO have God’s leadership, having Christ as the Head of the Church. Hence the reason for only ONE letter annually like this one written to the splinters—not also written to members and co-workers! Our single goal is to show the fruit of God’s Spirit and leadership at work here to those who care—for those who want to know what they are missing.

Dave stupidly feels that there are thousands and thousands of confused COG members out there looking for a new group to go to.  Never fear, Dave is here!  Dave is ready to welcome all of the disillusioned into his group with open offering envelopes waiting.

Today, literally thousands of former WCG members are wondering where to attend—what to do. While some no longer care about the doctrines, traditions, standards—and fruit—of an organization, many still do. These brethren would be carefully examining available options, looking for what they were taught and once enjoyed under Mr. Armstrong’s leadership of the Church. They know these things are visible only to those looking for them! Understanding Christ is not divided, and that all who are led by God’s Spirit will ultimately walk in truth, and “speak the same thing” (I Cor. 1:10, 13), they become candidates to find the one place where Jesus Christ is truly the Head of His unified Church and Body.

The delusional idiot then goes on to quote all kinds of statistics on his amazing cult.  Then he gets into the new cable stations he will soon be broadcasting on. He naively assumes that his viewing audience is going to increase by the millions  because of the number of subscribers. The multiple missions of viewers he is claiming as his own will NEVER watch his idiotic program!

Looking ahead in 2013, an immensely powerful worldwide expansion of The World to Come approaches! In fact, here comes TREMENDOUS NEWS! We are finalizing plans to be on two—TWO!—more television networks: (1) The Word Network—and on January 24!!!—with satellite broadcasting coverage in well over 200 countries and territories, including all of North and Central America, the Caribbean, Europe, Africa, Australia, the Middle East and all of Asia. (2) Grace TV—set to begin February 17—which reaches over 70% of all Canadian households! This network is Canada’s largest provider of primetime Christian programming, and it will be our first Sunday morning primetime slot for The World to Come.

According to a 2010 report by IDATE Consulting & Research, there will be an estimated 1.2 billion households with at least one television around the globe in 2013. In the U.S. alone, The Word Network will reach 86 million of 114 million TV homes via cable and DIRECTV (this is in addition to our current ION coverage). Latin America has a potential 132.8 million TV households. Europe has 260.9 million. There are another 10.7 million in South Africa. Australia has 120 million, with the rest of Asia having another 565.7 million TV households. Although everyone with a television does not have satellite reception, these figures speak volumes as to the potential magnitude of this new worldwide network. To maximize impact, we chose an overnight time slot in the U.S., which airs during the morning hours in Europe and South Africa, and through the prime evening hours across Australia and the Far East.

Dave then moves on to talk about dramatic "healings" happening in his group.  It is quit obvious reading these that there are no healings going on in any of the splinter groups.  That is the impression Dave is trying to get across.

He has had blind people given sight, wheelchair bound people walking again.  These pale in comparison to a church member who was in a head on collision that did not injure them because the van "passed through" their vehicle.

While carpooling home from services two members were miraculously protected. A van suddenly appeared directly behind them, traveling at such a high rate of speed that a collision was unavoidable. As the van made contact with their rear bumper, instead of hearing a loud crash, they heard what they described as a “swoosh.” The van had passed through their car, appearing immediately in front of them! The van continued speeding down the road and then exited the highway, leaving the two ladies unharmed and the vehicle completely unscratched. On a personal note, this event mirrors exactly miracles both Mr. Dale Schurter and I have experienced and reported to the Church.

Then to top it off Dave brags that he was able to turn a tornado away from the entire city of Wadsworth so that it went on to kill and damage others. He also claims to have the power to have turned Hurricane Sandy by 90 degrees so that it would not make its way into Wadsworth!  When pigs fly!

Finally, at Headquarters we often read of God protecting His people around the world from storms, wildfires, flooding, hurricanes and other weather disasters, but in the relatively peaceful area of northeast Ohio, there seemed not to be the same need for intervention. Tuesday, July 3, was an exception. Just after 11:00 a.m. the National Weather Service issued a severe thunderstorm warning for Wadsworth and surrounding areas. Doppler radar showed a giant storm cell capable of producing a tornado heading directly toward the city from the northwest. Minutes later it became more serious when an official tornado warning was given, meaning a tornado in the area was visible on radar—and only 10 miles from Headquarters and the building project, moving straight toward us. All HQ employees moved to the basement as the storm continued on its projected path. There, I asked for God’s protection over His people through the dangerous storm, and that He would protect the present Headquarters building and the site of the future campus, acknowledging that it is God whom we ultimately rely on for protection. It soon became evident that God had at that moment intervened. Right after the prayer, the HQ staff saw that the storm (via radar online) had dramatically changed direction—during the prayer!—from its southeasterly course to nearly due south, and then later turned again to continue moving easterly to the south of Wadsworth. The city was entirely untouched by the tornado! We received only a little rain. Two staff members (who were off-site meeting with people involved in the construction project) actually witnessed the tornado from the west side of town as it turned south to go under the city. Of course, everyone was tremendously inspired to see God’s clear hand of intervention for His people and Work. It was truly faith-building. So was watching Hurricane Sandy suddenly turn 90 degrees north while still in Pennsylvania without which turn there would have been enormous damage to our new building. This is because the storm was coming from the east where the installed glass was not ready for it on the building’s west side.

Yes sir!  God is Only on Dave's side.  Those pussy evangelists in Edmond and Charlotte cannot produce such miracles as Big Dave can!  Big Dave can also wrestle with demons and cast them out too!

None of this speaks to regular dramatic healings, demons cast out, many miracles, open doors, blessings and incredible GROWTH in all categories.

Dave then goes on to claim his church within the next 1-2 years will be the largest and most effective church of God ever.  Thousands upon thousands of former member will be returning to it.  Eventually every single COG member who still has God's spirit in them will be leaving their group and coming to Dave's. 

An unbelievably powerful Work is underway in The Restored Church of God. This is because we did not break the grand pattern set by Mr. Armstrong—any of it! It is because Jesus Christ actually does HEAD this Church. In one to two years maximum, the profile of God’s Church and true Work on Earth will be beyond imagination. It will take your breath and leave your ears ringing. The good news is that more ministers and members are leaving ALL of the splinters to return to God’s one Church. Eventually ALL with God’s Spirit—every single person—will return to His Church. To see more and more people waking up to the false doctrine, wrong standards, poor fruits and continually worsening condition of their organizations has been most encouraging. Many thousands will join us! (In fact, prophecy reveals this.) This means our power, impact and growth will be further affected upward. We expect to be the largest presence—the loudest voice!—in religious television in the world some time in 2014. And this will be backed up by the largest amount of literature ever compiled by any single organization on the face of the earth.

You can read the entire myth here:  The Restored Church of God: Much Fruit—Proof God Leads This Church!

Ron Weinerdude Weinland: Babies Conceived Now Will Be Born After Christ Returns in May 2013

I have to hand it to Mike over at Don't Drink the Flavor Aid Served By False Prophets for his patience in sitting down and listening to the convicted felon Ron Wienland's sermon each week.  Listening to 2 hours of mindless stupidity has to be taxing on the brain.

Mike posted today about Weinerdudes sermon this past Saturday.  The one thing that stood out was his comment about women in his cult delaying having babies.

Many PKG women have continually deferred having children since the end-time has been imminent for several years now.  Ron read an email he composed on the topic.  Basically, it’s between the husband and wife and God, and other members are not to judge them for doing it.  

 Then Weinerdude opens his mouth and makes a totally absurd comment:

Ron suggested that any child conceived now would be born after Christ returns in May.

How can supposedly relatively sane people sit there and listen to this kind of idiotic preaching?

E.W.King: Babies Start Following Satan As Soon As They Are Born

It has always been a long held belief in Armstrongism that babies start being influenced by Satan the second they take their first breath.  They learn greed and are selfish.  They take and never give. They manipulate and challenge. Armstrongism continues to think this to this day that all babies are demon possessed.

E.W. King, carries on this tradition too.

So “sin” is actions and deeds contrary to God’s law. We must understand that God’s law is “spiritual”, which is to say that it transcends the normal way the material mind functions. When a child is born into this fallen world he begins to “hear” the broadcasts which come from Satan. Like a radio station the fallen nature of Satan is broadcasted throughout this planet and all people [accept true Christians] are tuned into this channel. The child hears this broadcast like a loud horn because the child sees the way that fallen adults act; the child hears the corruption which comes from the mouths of all people around him. The child begins to mimic the thoughts and actions of corrupt mankind.

Apparently children of Church of God members are innocent and pure compared to the children of the pagan filth out in the world.  We all know that to be a fact!  Especially those that have been around evangelist and ministers kids!

Philadelphia Church of God: Sandy Hook Killings and the Two Trees

from The Manga Bible

They're baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

Just when you though your ears never had to hear the words, "the two trees" again, along comes the Philadelphia Church of God to explain away the Sandy Hook murders with the "two trees" of Herbert Armstrong's blaring fame.

I can't tell you how many years we had to sit there and listen to HWA yell and pound the podium about the two trees.  Week after week, month after month.  No Jesus preached, but there was enough info on the two trees that you could become a dendrologist.

Never to let a tragedy to go to waste, Gerald Flurry's cult jumps into the arena hyperventilating that they have the "truth" of the matter.

The Sandy Hook Tragedy - A Lesson About The Two Trees

The article starts out:

In December, the funerals of 20 young children took place in Newtown, Conn. Many seek closure to the tragedy, but our nation continues to be mired in questions about the cause of the Sandy Hook shooting. How could this massacre happen? Gun laws, mental health care, and our violent culture are all topics being bantered about as problems and solutions to what happened in Newtown.

Then the Flurry cult claims to have the answer to the reason.  Even though it is asked as a question, here is specifically why it happened according to PCG:

Could the monstrous actions of a deranged 20-year-old have anything to do with his family environment? How strong was Adam Lanza’s relationship with his father? What impact did the fracturing relationship and divorce of his father and mother have?

No one answers these questions. Even the experts don’t know the cause. Why can’t we find the answers to keep our marriages and families united? Why don’t we know how to raise happy, caring, responsible children? How have we produced children who murder women and six-year-olds en masse?

PCG states above the reasons it happened because only THEY know the reasons.  The article goes on to worship Gerald Flurry's awesome knowledge:

In a timely article about the two trees in Genesis, Gerald Flurry shows us why we suffer such troubles today: “Our knowledge is not solving our problems. In fact, as our knowledge increases, so do our problems. Clearly, something is missing in our knowledge. The reason we cannot gain ground on these civilization-destroying troubles is that we fail to confront their real cause. That cause is rooted in the very foundation of our civilization—a foundation well-documented in history.”

 The knowledge of the two trees teach you this, according to Flurry and his cult:

If you wonder which choice Adam and Eve made, just look at what has happened. Their firstborn son had no access to guns or violent entertainment. He didn’t need mental healthcare. Genesis 4:6-8 show what a strong influence the tree of the knowledge of good and evil had on the world’s first son. Even though the Creator Himself tried to work with Cain, he became a murderer and a liar. He followed the same way of life as his parents—and mankind has done the same ever since.

The choice of our first parents has influenced every aspect of society. It affects our families and children most of all, the basis of society. We witness the suffering daily. Losing 20 children is heartrending, but think about the millions of unborn children who lose their lives each year through abortion, the millions of children growing up in broken homes, the neglect, the lack of proper education, instruction and love that would help our children develop stable, responsible and fulfilling lives. It is a vicious cycle—and, as God warned Adam and Eve, it ends in death.

Only those who understand the "two trees" and only then a "select few" have any hope.  Of course if you are part of the PCG you salvation is assured since it is the ONLY true church of God left on the face of the earth.  Sorry Bob Thiel but you are toast too!

The tree of life is available to the select few whom God works with today. Individually, those whom He calls, can make the right choice now. God shares with them His Holy Spirit and the understanding and power needed to change lives. But soon the tree of life will be available for everyone!

Since Flurry and his cult do know know Jesus Christ or the new covenant they do not realize that the "tree of life" has already been made manifest.  All of this disgusting blabbering by PCG to use a national tragedy as a chance to promote corrupt man made teachings  truly is disgusting.

Bob Thiel: Is He Really Following In The Footsteps of Polycarp?

Poor Bob Thiel.  He is in such a conundrum right now. He is talking today about the apostolic secession of the leadership of the Church of God and how the men in church through the centuries were ordained and carried on with the "truth."  It seems to be really important to prophet Thiel that this link back to the apostles is noted. The reason being is that prophet Thiel claims he is now the only one carrying the mantle for the 1st century Christianity he claims is valid.

He starts his daily missal stating that he had to cease affiliation with the Living Church of God, of which, he will not name.  How stupid is that?

As most readers now know, it became necessary for me to cease my affiliation with a group based out of North Carolina and form the Continuing Church of God.

 He then tries to defend the silly name he called his personality cult.

So, since the word “continuing” is part of the title, the question to be briefly addressed today is:  Continue what?

First, it needs to be understood that according to Jesus, the church itself would continue and the gates of Hades (death) would not prevail against it (Matthew 16:18).

The prophet uses Hebrews as the scriptural justification for the name of his personality cult:

Let us look at what Jesus and the Apostle Paul taught on this matter:

22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes (Matthew 10:22-23).

14 For here we have no continuing city, but we seek the one to come (Hebrews 13:14).

Since Christians have no continuing city, it is the Church of God, not some city such as Rome or Alexandria that was supposed to continue to lead Christ’s church.

Prophet Thiel traces the lineage of his new personality cult down through the ages to Polycarp.  The main problem with this is that false prophet Thiel is NOT ordained and cannot be the legitimate heir to the legacy of Polycarp.

Notice that Irenaeus is claiming that Polycarp was appointed bishop (pastor/overseer) of the Church in Smyrna by the apostles in Asia (which would most likely have been John and Philip and perhaps some others) and that Polycarp continued the faith and practices of the original apostles. Notice that Irenaeus is claiming that there was a list of men who have succeeded Polycarp until the late 2nd century and that they held to the teaching of the apostles. Thus the only universally accepted apostle to “bishop” transfer of leadership for the 1st and 2nd centuries that continued until at least the end of the 2nd century was through Polycarp of Smyrna 

Prophet Thiel claims his small personality cults doctrines are exactly like Polycarp's in order to give his little group legitimacy:

So, Polycarp realized that the true church was called the Church of God and that he placed a high priority on the scriptures and the doctrines in them, including the commandments and love.

This is what we in the Continuing Church of God also are striving to do.

Now, here are some of the beliefs that Polycarp and others in the early Church of God held to that we in the Continuing Church of God also hold to. (which I am not listing)

 Prophet Thiel's arrogance continues to grow stronger.  He and his small personality cult are now the only ones that best represent the true remnant.

We in the Continuing Church of God are striving to best represent the most faithful remnant  of the original Church of God that began on Pentecost in Acts 2 (c. 31 A.D.) and we believe and teach the doctrines of the original apostolic and faithful post-apostolic Church of God, and in particular, the Philadelphia-era of the Church of God.

There is nothing original, apostolic or Christan about false prophet Thiel's personality cult.  A personality cult is exactly all his group is.  The few people that have agreed to follow him are obviously weak in their faith, so much so, that they still need a "strong figure" tell them what to believe.  These people have been through at least 3 splinterings to reach Thiel's group (which makes 4).  Worldwide to Global, then Global to Living, then Living to Continuing.  Whats going to happen in 4-5 years when someone stronger than Thiel comes along and discredits hm?  Will group 5 then start?  Then how long till splinter group 6?  Joining the Church of God 7th Day makes far better sense than joining up in another impotent little personality cult.

Learn The Bible With Jelly

The blue creature is baaaaaaaaaaaack!

Ron Weinland: Convicted Felon Has Prison Time Delayed

The worlds biggest failure in prophetic utterances has had his sentencing delayed for 30days.  He is now scheduled to report to prison on Feb 1, 2013. 

Mike is reporting on Don't Drink The Flavor Aid Served By False Prophets that the epic failure succeeded in getting his sentencing delayed.  Apparently the Bureau of Prisons failed to designate a prison for his 2 1/2 year stent and Weinerdudes attorneys took advantage of it.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF KENTUCKY
NORTHERN DIVISION
(at Covington)
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff,
V.
RONALD E. WEINLAND,
Defendant.
)))))))))
Criminal Action No. 2: 11-70-DCR
ORDER
*** *** *** ***
Defendant Ronald Weinland was sentenced on November 14, 2012. However, based on representations of counsel, it does not appear that the Bureau of Prisons has made a designation of service as of this date. As a result, the defendant has moved the Court to continue his voluntary surrender date which was originally scheduled for January 2, 2013. Being sufficiently advised, and in light of the exigencies presented, it is hereby
ORDERED as follows:
1. The defendant’s motion to continue his voluntary surrender date [Record No. 113]
is GRANTED.
2. The defendant’s date for voluntary surrender to the Bureau of Prisons is EXTENDED and CONTINUED to February 1, 2013, prior to 2:00 p.m., at the institution designated by the Bureau of Prisons.
3. The Clerk of the Court is directed to provide copies of this Order to counsel of record, the United States Probation Office, and the United States Marshal. The United States Marshal shall provide the Bureau of Prisons with a copy of this Order.
This 28th day of December, 2012.
/s/ Danny C Reeves, United States District Judge

Prophet Bob Thiel and the Bible News Prophecy Channel. Watch And Be Amazed!

Get ready to feast your eyes on the worlds most incredible video by the worlds foremost authority on prophecy.  Feast your eyes on the mind boggling graphics at the start and then feel you heart be warmed by "Greetings friends around the world!"  Really original Bob, I must say. Be astounded by the magnificent props in the background. Marvel at the great oratory of the prophet. Be thrilled at his ability to hold a bible (closed) while he speaks.  Be fascinated by the flailing arms and hands.  We are humbled to just be in the presence of this prophetic gift  from god!

"Prophet" Thiel Admits He Is A Poor Speaker

Here we go again, another splinter in the hundreds and hundreds that have whored themselves off the mother church.  Here we go again with another church service that is contains nothing original.  It's the same mind-numbingly boring format.  Plus, it seems that prophet Thiel is admitting he is NOT a good speaker.  That's not a good way to start a new splinter cult by admitting that you have no speaking ability.

Our plan was to try to upload church services within a couple of days of videoing them. Unlike some other groups, we really will spend almost no time doing any editing, but as we have no hired staff, this seems to be the best way to handle weekly services. So, please realize that God does not always call leaders who are the most polished speakers (Exodus 4:10-11).

However, once we actually tried to tape the music, YouTube, and sermon, we ran into a variety of technical problems with cameras etc.  So the new plan will be to ask the services be handled as follows (realizing that there may need to be modifications:

• 2-3 hymns (we are using the 1974 Bible Hymnal from the old WCG)
• Opening prayer by an appropriate male  (Dan Mattson, grandson of the Herbert W. Armstrong opened here in Arroyo Grande today).
• Sermonette (short 8-15 minute subject) or Bible New Prophecy YouTube (which is what we watched today).
• Announcements and one hymn.
• Sermon (which for most will be a recorded one)
• Final hymn.
• Closing prayer by an appropriate male.

It is likely that I may have to do today’s sermon over again and simply have that placed online as opposed to the entire service as originally hoped for.

Eventually, we will need to put together a Passover service and give additional consideration to how to handle Holy Day services.