Child Rearing Dilemma: Whether to Stone or Spank Rebellious Kiddies

Armstrongites always love to boast that they take the Bible literally.  The fact is they don't.  They lie when they say they do.  They pick and choose what they want to do when they want to do it.  One year it may mean one thing and the next it is ignored or fluffed off as not relevant.





GTA taught that beating kids was a good thing. Flurry and Meredith also want their members to spank their kids.  Meredith in particular, gets off on the spanking bit.  When he brags at a feast site several years a go about spanking his current wife, you know something is not quit right in that mind of his.

Today Six Pack Flurry has a post on his Philadelphia Trumpet web site about child discipline. After doing the typical Armstrongite proof-texting of using old testament angry go scenarios he makes the following comment:

"Follow God’s example. Be clear about the rules. Speak only once, and expect your children to obey. Pay attention—and when they deviate off course, don’t make excuses for them. Be consistent about applying the necessary discipline." (Armstrongism translation:  "Beat your child when it disobeys") Speak Only Once

Six Pack has also had this to say:

". . . We have always understood in the Church of God, in respect of correcting child behavior, that this means a light instrument which stings when applied but does no physical damage. Mrs. Armstrong used the table-tennis paddle as an example of an implement which will do no harm to a child when applied with care and in love. But even that should never be used till the infant is around two or three years of age. Light, stinging taps first with fingers on the backside of an infant, then, as the child grows, carefully, with the hand, should suffice till then."

"Lesson number one is, teach the child GOVERNMENT! That's where it starts. Who's boss around here? Up to the second or third month, the infant gets what he wants usually when he's good and ready to get it, by simply demanding it! But, comes the time he demands, doesn't get, and reacts angrily! Generally, parents should be able to determine an angry baby's cry. It's time for baby to learn that angry demands are not acceptable."

Royal Vision May/June 2000

ESN had this comment about Sx Packs child rearing techniques:

One former PCG member (12-20-03) described to the police authorities how some congregations in PCG have engaged in so called "screaming sessions" at children. This involves taking a child (who has misbehaved or presumably done something wrong), along with gathering a number of members together, and then sitting the child on a chair in the middle of the room and screaming and yelling at the child for a long period of time. Sometimes these sessions go on for so long that some of the adults have to take a break and then go back to continue it. This is a technique that abusive, totalistic groups have used and is very damaging to any child!

If old Six Pack had his way, his churchs' teachings for methods of child discipline would fall under the arms of the Reconstructionists/Dominionists.

Reconstructionists/Dominionist sincerely preach that stoning of children, gays, adulterers, fornicators, etc is the way to go.

BIBLE REQUIRES DEATH BY STONING FOR 'REBELLIOUS' TEENAGERS, SAYS PA. PREACHER

Mercersburg Activist Insists Bible Mandates Execution

The Bible mandates death by stoning for rebellious teenagers, according to a Pennsylvania preacher and Religious Right activist.

The Rev. William O. Einwechter's article, "Stoning Disobedient Children," appeared in the January issue of Chalcedon Report, a monthly journal published by the Chalcedon Foundation in Vallecito, Calif.

In the article, Einwechter cites Deuteronomy 21:18-21, which advises parents to take "a stubborn and rebellious son" before city elders to be stoned to death if he will not change his ways.

Einwechter's viewpoint drew criticism from church-state separationists.

"Rev. Einwechter reminds us all of why we need a clear separation between religion and government," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a Washington, D.C.-based watchdog group. "I doubt if most Americans think we should turn America into a fundamentalist Christian version of Iran."

Einwechter says the death penalty should be applied to "a grown son (and by extension to a daughter as well) who, for whatever reason, has rebelled against the authority of his parents and will not profit from any of their discipline nor obey their voice in any thing."

Writes Einwechter, "[T]he execution of the rebel in view is just, merciful, and preventive. Just, in that the transgressor deserves to die; merciful, in that his quick death prevents the destruction of the family, society, and others; preventive, in that it strikes fear in the heart of other would-be rebels and restrains them from taking a similar ruinous course."

The Chalcedon Report is the leading publication of the "Christian Reconstructionist" movement, the most extreme contingent of the Religious Right. Reconstructionists reject democracy and believe Christians should take "dominion" over American society. Under their version of "biblical law," the death penalty would be required for over a dozen offenses, including adultery, homosexuality, witchcraft and spreading "false" religions.

Although the movement's numbers are relatively small, its ideas have often filtered into other Religious Right groups.

Einwechter, a Mercersburg, Pa., resident, is vice-moderator of the Association of Free Reformed Churches. He also serves as vice president of the National Reform Association, a Pittsburgh-based group that advocates Christianity in government.

For decades we had some numbnuts in Pasadena who actually believed this type of 'child rearing'.  They looked forward to the day when the 'kingdom' would get here and they could do this.  It was going to be their job and the job of the church (OCG) to root out evil in the people.  The best way to root out evil was to kill the person.  God did it so why shouldn't they!

Meredithism and Six-Pack Flurryism get rather giddy when it comes to spanking.  They both seem to get off on corporal punishment.  Of course they get off on it because their little god they find in the Old Testament gets off on killing rebellious people. That's they god they identify with.

Here is The Brick Testament's version of the story:

When to Stone Your Children

Dedicating the House of Herb, Crossword Puzzles and Piggies

Looking through one of Six Pack Flurry's web sites this evening geared towards the youth was a stomach turning event. More lives being destroyed!

Read the articles in the student newspaper about the dedication of the new monument to Herbert Armstrong.   

  Imperial Standard

Once the audience of approximately 800 people was seated in the theater at 7 p.m., music instructor Mark Jenkins began the ceremony by leading the first performance of his Dedication Anthem and Fanfare, composed for the occasion. Mr. Turgeon and college president Stephen Flurry both briefly addressed the members, and Mrs. Paula Malone, backed by the dedication choir, sang House of Prayer with her husband, music department head Mr. Ryan Malone, leading the orchestra. Finally, Chancellor Gerald Flurry stepped up to the podium to deliver a short address and give the prayer of dedication. He spoke to those assembled about the purpose of the auditorium and said that this house for God would serve to bring harmony to the world.

Afterward, the choir and orchestra performed two pieces from Felix Mendelssohn’s Elijah, “Holy, Holy” and “And Then Shall Your Light,” to conclude the ceremony. Choir members and audience members alike were astonished by the difference between the dedication performances and earlier performances and practices. Senior Jordan Aldrich commented, “I think the choir sang more powerfully than we ever have before.” His sentiment was echoed by many other choir members, including freshman James Brandon, who said it was “overwhelming” and “incredibly inspiring” to be part of the choir.”

After the ceremony, the brethren were abuzz with fellowship and excitement about the house for God and the new stage of the work it signified. Sophomore Katherine Harmon was representative of the general mood when she said, “Probably the thing that affected me the most was when Mr. Flurry gave his dedication prayer...the fact that something like that is something that I could hear personally

Then there is the photo of students and faculty playing soccer.  Guess the names of the teams - wait for it - take a wild guess ------ Team Ephraim and Team Manasseh!  Ephriamites and Mannasites

SIBLING RIVALRY As faculty defenseman Mr. Brad Macdonald looks on, senior Steve Hercus puts a mighty Ephraimitish boot on the ball as Manassite forward Victor Vejil approaches. Team Manasseh won the contest 1-0.

Can Armstrongism get any stupider than this?   Oh wait ----- Yes, they can!  Check out the HWA Crossword Puzzles for a Sabbath afternoon.....

 

You too can break the Sabbath and do this interactive crossword puzzle.  Herb's Crossword Puzzle

See how much you worship all things Herb.

Or, for an extra added bonus you can read  The Truth About Pigs with this great illustration:  :-)

I think it is time hit the Honey Baked Ham store.  I am going to buy one in honor of Six Pack!  A ham sandwich and a cold beer - - as good as Armstrongism can get!

When Will Slick Wille Ever Learn?

With over 290 documented failed prophecies of Armstrongism you would think the various Armstrongite splinter cult ministers would stop making such predictions.

Willie Dankenbring sticks his head out and makes some stupid predictions that are guaranteed to fail:

Now, I’ve been thinking that the final seven years could well be from fall of this year 2010 Feast of Tabernacles time going forward 7 years which will be the year 2017. Or if we count spring to spring from 2011 forward seven years, it will be 2018. So with either a fall to fall or spring to spring reckoning we then have 220 days which is seven months with 30 days to a month which gives us 210 days within that 7-month period.


Today, we have the movement toward one world religion again with world religious leaders coming together to forge a one world religion under the beast with the Pope claiming supremacy of power (Revelation 13). So the coming event of a great apostasy, beginning with the 220 days after the 2520 days is the beginning of a great apostasy which will culminate in the return of Christ and the Temple of God being restored once again, cleansed and purified by the Messiah. That means that a lot is going to happen this coming year of 2011.


But when will the prophecy begin to unfold and be fulfilled? Notice! Many prophetic timelines indicate that the second coming of the Messiah could occur in fall of 2017 or spring of 2018. Thus Daniel’s “70th week” – the final seven years of this present pulsating, tremulous age – would begin fall of 2010 or spring of 2011.


Depending on whether we use spring-to-spring or fall-to-fall reckoning, this event could occur about seven months after fall of 2010 (i.e. around Passover-Pentecost 2011), or fall 2011 (October-November 2011).

This would be true, if the second coming of the Messiah is in fall of 2017, or spring of 2018. Certainly, this is something to seriously think about, ponder, and pray about.

AICF Putting Tithe Money To Work

I bet most  COG members did not know that their tithes and offerings went to help finance two movies in the early to mid 70's.  Paper Moon and The Wild Geese.  This was all thanks to AICF, the 'cultural' arm of the Worldwide Church of God.

Because Herbert Armstrong was embarrassed to say 'God' in foreign countries he created this money eating arm of the church to use as a tool to enter countries around the world.  Then he would talk about "A Strong Hand From Someplace."  WHAT??????  God forbid if he ever said Jesus!

Storyline

Adapted from the novel, "Addie Pray" (1971) by Joe David Brown, PAPER MOON is the story of Moses Pray and Addie Loggins. With scenery reminiscent of "The Grapes of Wrath," the film is set in the depression-era Midwestern region of the United States. As the movie opens, we see a small group of mourners clustered at a graveside. Among the mourners is Addie, the dead woman's small daughter. Moses Pray -- ostensibly of the "Kansas Bible Company" -- approaches the group, as the service concludes, and two of the elderly women remark that the child bears some resemblance to him and asks if he might be related. "If ever a child needed kin, it's now," one lady says. With no knowledge of who her father is, Addie's only haven is her Aunt's home in St. Joseph, Missouri. Having identified himself as a "traveling man spreading the Lord's gospel in these troubled times," "Mose" is prevailed upon to deliver the helpless child to her Aunt since he's going that way... Written by MARK FLEETWOOD <mfleetwo@mail.coin.missouri.edu>  

The Wild Geese (1978)

A British multinational seeks to overthrow a vicious dictator in central Africa. It hires a band of (largely aged) mercenaries in London and sends them in to save the virtuous but imprisoned opposition leader who is also critically ill and due for execution. Just when the team has performed a perfect rescue, the multinational does a deal with the vicious dictator leaving the mercenary band to escape under their own steam and exact revenge. Written by Richard Young <richy@vnu.co.uk>

The veteran mercenary Colonel Allen Faulkner travels to London invited by the British millionaire Sir Edward Matherson to rescue the African President Julius Limbani that had been abducted in a coup d'état by the dictator Colonel Mboya. Sir Edward has interest in the copper mines and intends to negotiate with Limbani. Col. Faulkner hires his friends Captain Rafer Janders and Lieutenant Shawn Fynn and the trio select their old friends to form the rescue team. They plan the whole operation and succeed in their mission; however, Sir Edward deals with the dictator and double-crosses the group of mercenaries, leaving them in Rhodesia. The mercenaries have to fight against Colonel Mboya's troops to survive and Col. Faulkner promises to revenge his deceased friends. Written by Claudio Carvalho, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Churchill's Gold: GTA's Other Book

Garner Ted Armstrong loved to write. But there is one book that most COG members never knew about that he penned under a pseudonym: William Talboy Wright.

William Talboy Wright was a mixture of names from his grandparents.  Willam Dillon (maternal grandfather), Isabelle Talboy (maternal grandmother), and Eva Wright (paternal grandmother).

Wright, William Talboy
     Churchill's Gold, 1988 (With nothing to lose, falsely accused fugitive
       Mark Masters agrees to take a wooden barkentine to the South Seas on a
       search for sunken treasure to bail out the British treasury during WW
       II.  "I found it to be an exciting adventure story of sailing despite
       the author having made some rather strange historical mistakes (e.g. he
       thought Taiwan was under Chinese control in 1941!) and totally out of
       his mind with regard to Spanish archives (the book inspired me to write
       my own book on how to find shipwrecks in Hispanic archives)." [LF])

He also penned The Real Jesus before he got kicked out of WCG.  He published another book a few years later called Peter's Story.

Worshipping WCG Relics

Old Six Pack is on a roll in acquiring remnants of the glory days of Armstrongism. He has forked over an undisclosed amount of tithe money for the swan sculpture that used to grace the Big Sandy campus. Will he paint them white like the Harvest Rock Cult Church did with the Pasadena birds? Or will Old Six Pack be bowing down to the swans like some moron in Pasadena did years ago when he proclaimed the egret sculpture was going to come alive and carry the Auditorium to Petra. Stupid people believed that guy just like people believe Old Six Pack.

The swans will be disassembled and transported to a foundry in Oklahoma for minor repairs and refinishing before being installed in their new home, the reflecting pool in front of Armstrong Auditorium. The sculpture and water feature will be installed just as they were in Big Sandy; the five swans will appear to soar into flight as six water jets cascade over them.
In a sermon on April 9 in Sulphur Springs, Texas, Mr. Flurry told church members, "The water cascading over the swans makes it look like they are soaring-or beginning to soar. Aren't we about to begin to soar as never before?"

Referring to Amos 9:11, Mr. Flurry said, "We have a responsibility to raise the ruins. We are going to show the world the best of the human spirit, combined with God's Holy Spirit." He added, "God has given us these gifts to raise up the ruins and He's even giving us some of the treasures He gave to Mr. Armstrong. This swan sculpture is going to bring life to our campus in a special way."

Six Pack is doing everything he can to be like Herb. Six Pack hauled a dirt and moss laden rock all the way from Oregon because he wanted to worship at Herb's supposed prayer rock.

If it was used by Herb it is of value to Six Pack. For a cult that supposedly is the restored gospel he forgets one command of God that he regularly ignores. "Coveting." Oh, and there is also "Pride". The Six Pack cult thinks that there is a miraculous era about to dawn for their cult.

Old Six Pack and Jr. Six Pack both believe that there are glorious new days coming for PCG. They are going to be a magnificent tool in proclaiming some god's word to the world. Six Pack seems to think he is as important as Herb was and will be able to do the same things. Someone needs to tell apostle Six Pack it is NOT going to happen!

Got Your Petra Passport Ready???????

You will soon be needing passports when you flee to Petra. Bet none of you knew this was the ONLY reason to have a passport! I have been waiting to hear that passports were only created so that they could be used by the COG members to flee to Jordan with. We all know the ONLY reason the printing press and airlines were created was so Herb could get his message out around the world!

Pasadena was only founded so God's HQ could be located there years later. Beer was only created for the benefit of the WCG ministry and Six Pack Flurry. Gambling and massage was only created for the end time use by GTA.

From the  COG yahoo's on Yahoo OrginalWCG.

And let me pose an important question for EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE
CHURCH OF GOD: DO YOU HAVE A PASSPORT? IS IT UP TO DATE? OR IS IT
EXPIRED? DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS?

For those who don't take the place of safety seriously.. they may not
need that passport.. for the rest, well God commands us to forsee the
evil and hide ourselves.. if we're not doing this we may simply be
providing the solution to the question of how God will notify us it's
time to flee. I know I'm not wording this well as I'm really too tired
to think right now, but think about it... We need our lamps ready, oil
for our lamps.. in other words, God expects us to be prepared. If we
are going to fly to a foreign country.. if we are going to cross
borders, we had better be prepared.

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They cost $100 now and they take forever to obtain due to the huge numbers of people who are applying for one. I got mine when they were cheaper... They are good for at least 5 years. Don't wait for the Depression to be announced & you lose your job...

Didn't you ever see those movies about Europe, oh, spy movies or some such, where the polizei (police) has you roll down your car window (international drivers license available through American Automobile Association) and he says, "Papers, please" or "Passport!"-- it may get so bad here in the USA that we will need our own passports to prove we are citizens.