Davey Pack: Your Final Test Will Be If You Really Believe I AM Joshua

Davey tires to use HWA's writings to justify that excuse he is trying to come up with to make himself known as the end time Joshua, the true successor to Herbert Armstrong.

Davey quotes from a letter by HWA where he claims that he did not know who his successor would be and that God would appoint that person which would in turn be a test of the faith of the brethren.

Out final test will be after the three church leaders all die in August  is that we acknowledge that Davey is The Man!

“And let me tell you, THE HEAD OF THIS CHURCH IS ALIVE! Do you believe it? Jesus Christ! DO WE BELIEVE HE LIVES? Do we believe He’s on the job? Do we believe, if I am in need of correction, that He is able to see to it and give it? Let me tell you, I BELIEVE IT! I believe it through and through. And I FEAR IT! And I TREMBLE AT IT!

 “If anything should happen to me, it will only happen if God allows it. God can keep me alive as long as that is necessary. And He will, as long as He feels it’s necessary. And I don’t think He is going to take me from THIS WORK until this job is finished. But if He should (if I should be wrong about that), can you trust the Living Christ to provide the man that will take over?

 “If you’d ask me to choose, I couldn’t do it. I wouldn’t know who to choose right now. And I have no authority to do it. THIS IS GOING TO BE A TEST OF YOUR FAITH! Or, do you want to take it into your own hands, and know who it’s going to be—someone YOU can know in advance? Someone YOU can approve? Someone YOU CAN VOTE FOR? Oh, sometimes I say, ‘Shame on us.’ Let’s wake up.”

God used Mr. Armstrong to reveal how God would handle his successor—and in a sermon titled “Zerubbabel’s Temple.” Mr. Armstrong did later go on to appoint Joe Tkach, who obviously was not the true successor to lead God’s Church, but rather was selected by God to bring a great test on God’s people regarding whether they would hold to the truth or follow deceiver(s). Mr. Armstrong did understand he had no authority to make Mr. Tkach an apostle, who eventually declared this of himself after NO fruits appeared. Mr. Armstrong’s TRUE successor—and this becomes obvious—would necessarily have to be revealed later.

Dave Pack: Why Aren't People Looking For Me?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Poor Davey.  No one seems to care and no one certainly is looking for him.  He is right about one thing.  No one CARES or wants to return to the pig slop that Davey is promoting.

Being unable to recognize who is God’s final leader COMPLETELY ends the ability of ministers today to serve God’s people. All would agree, no matter who they now think Joshua is, he would only be found in one place—one “House” (Hag. 1:4)—one Church! The leadership of one man cannot be split over several organizations. Joshua’s identity does not lead one to Zerubbabel’s identity but Zerubbabel’s does lead to Joshua. The one who fulfilled the role of Joshua would uphold all of Zerubbabel’s teachings, including traditions, standards, judgments, policies and truths.

We will see the prophet Zechariah makes clear Joshua is alive at Christ’s Return. Haggai speaks of/to this man five times, and Zechariah reveals that Zerubbabel eventually falls out of the picture because Zechariah 3 describes Joshua working alone until Christ’s Return, with Zerubbabel no longer present. A modern Joshua was foretold to arrive after Mr. Armstrong. We might at least ask: Why are people not out looking for this man? The answer is at least partly that they do not want to return to things Zerubbabel taught.

God Told Davey That He Wants Zerubbabel (HWA) Remembered Forever

Part of the reason Davey Pack thinks he is the chosen one is that he claims to be following in the footsteps of Herbert.  Davey is imitating Herb's campuses and gardens, covets his Steuben crystal, copies his books and plagiarizes ideas.  Dave has not been capable of coming up with an original idea yet.  Davey has always been known to be a copy-cat taking others ideas and claiming them as his own.

Remember that Haggai 2 concludes with a special tribute to Zerubbabel. One of the major problems in the splinters is that God’s ministers have themselves almost universally forgotten Mr. Armstrong’s extraordinary prophesied role in restoring truths to God’s 20^th-century Church.

God announces that His chosen leader becomes (“I will make you as”) a signet. This means a “signature ring, seal or signet” in the Hebrew. Where else in the scriptures does God describe the work of one of His leading servants in such a unique way? Nowhere! Without Mr. Armstrong’s over 52 years of incredible perseverance, resourcefulness, dedication and faithfulness against staggering obstacles and so many enemies, the ministers throughout the splinters today would all be somewhere else doing something else. They would never have learned the truth. Yet, having died over 27 years ago, Zerubbabel has been largely forgotten. God wants Mr. Armstrong remembered for what he was—what he did. Several times in Haggai 2 the ministry is told to “consider,” with part of what they are to consider shown to be in this context. In fact, until they do, these ministers will remain blocked from an enormous amount of understanding regarding what will happen going forward, and they cannot be used as true ministers. And they have no foundation to understand who is Joshua, as well as this man’s role following Zerubbabel and preceding Christ’s Return. Zerubbabel’s identity paves the way to knowing who is Joshua! Without this knowledge, both Zechariah 3 [describing Joshua] and Zechariah 4 [describing Zerubbabel and the Two Witnesses] remain closed off from their understanding.

Davey Pack On How He Respects Zerrubbabel While the Rest of the COG's Reject Him

Davey Pack, Mr. Perfection and leader of the worlds most superfantabulous Church of God EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is getting ready to reveal who Joshua is....though anyone with any reading capability knows who he is going to reveal.

But first, he wants to get across that he is the ONLY one in the entire Church of God that respects Herbert Armstrong the Zerubbabel.

With their thinking now overthrown, many former WCG brethren no longer believe Mr. Armstrong was Zerubbabel—and many of these are adamant. But we might ask: If Mr. Armstrong was wrong about this, who else could have been Zerubbabel? Who else finished laying the foundation of God’s House? Who else is even remotely a candidate?

Some critics, loathing the idea that Mr. Armstrong could have been ANYTHING special, actually claim that Zerubbabel is Christ, or that Joshua is Christ. Imagine Christ inspiring the prophets Haggai and Zechariah to carry messages to Himself, or rather to both of “Himselves” since He might be both Joshua and Zerubbabel. Next imagine Christ telling Himself (twice) as He does in Haggai to “fear not” and to “be strong” and that “I am with you.” How would the God of the Old Testament be with Himself? Now imagine Christ saying He “stirred up the spirit” (Hag. 1:14) of Himself when speaking of doing this to Zerubbabel or Joshua, or both. Further—and Zechariah 3 shows this—Joshua is: (1) seen standing with the Lord, (2) described as receiving Christ—“the Branch”—at His Return and (3) an angel duly charges (“protests” to) him about matters no angel would DARE say to Christ, who is God. Do not let ignorant lay members or even ministers distort your thinking.

So, like Zerubbabel, Joshua is a human being—one man!—who lives just before and up to the time of Christ’s Return.

Anyone want to start taking bets on who Davey is going to reveal as Joshua?

Dave Pack Is Still Whining: Everyone Ignores Me!

Davie Joshua C Pack is back today with his latest missive where he says he will reveal who Joshua is.  He starts off with his usual complaint.  No on in the splinter groups listens to him.  Oh boo hoo!

His weak impotent god is getting ready to "reinstate" thousands of COG members around world back into the one true church.......IF......they mend their ways and grovel at Dave's feet with great weeping and knashing of teeth.

Most in the splinters are not yet reading these announcements. The Haggai prophecy actually shows that this would be the case, but also that it would change. (My two final announcements will explain this.) God, through His Spirit, is about to begin communicating individually with these thousands currently cut off from Him. His Spirit now lies dormant in them because, having left His Church, they have for over 20 years been unwilling to “consider their ways” (Hag. 1:5, 7). God had to put them out of His Church—disfellowship them (I Cor. 5:5; I Tim. 1:20)—until they had learned bitter lessons, and until He was ready to address them. Much like people who broke the Sabbath, stole God’s tithes, skipped the Feast of Tabernacles or committed adultery, God is preparing to “reinstate” thousands of people at the same time IF they consider their ways—their false doctrines, traditions, behavior and worldly standards.

Living Church of God Now Taking the Gospel of Rod to Restrooms Around the World

LCG must really be desperate.

I think some sneaky people are trying to infiltrate my church. Well, that's what happens when it's big.

In the men's room this morning, I found a slip of paper on the counter. It read:

THE RETURN OF JESUS CHRIST IS NEAR !

[Web address redacted]

LE RETOUR DE  JESUS-CHRIST EST PROCHE !

[le site web censuré]

It turns out the site belongs to the Living Church of God, one of the many splinter groups that formed after the death of Herbert W. Armstrong and the doctrinal shift of the original Worldwide Church of God. They're Armstrongite purists: anti-Trinitarianism, Sabbatarianism, The United States and Great Britain in Prophecy, the whole nine yards.

I suspected as much at the time, so I "liberated" the piece of paper. Heretics have no right to advertise their teachings in the restrooms at my church, anyway. The fact that they would do so doesn't surprise me - as I said, we're a big church, and in the past we've had folks like Mormon missionaries and even neo-Nazis just walk in and try to evangelize people.

What surprised me more, in fact, was that Armstrongism still has a following, as I had figured it died the death of a thousand papercuts when the WWCG fractured.

Anyone else see something similar in their neighbourhood? Fighting Fundamental Forums

Why It Is Ok To Become Disillusioned With The Church

Disillusionment has been rampant in Armstrongism down through the decades. With one failed prophecy after another, the death of the apostle, abusive pastors, abusive spouses, ministers living the high life while members suffered, etc. 

1956, 1971, 1972, 1975, 1986, 1996 are all major dates in the COG where the apple cart got turned upside down and people lost hope. 

Now with over 700 some splinter groups people quickly become disillusioned with one group and jump to the next.  Splinter group leaders can't maintain income any more, they cant draw in members that they think should be flocking to them, on and on the list could go.  Its no wonder the COG is filled with thousands and thousands of people with mental health issues.

So what happens when we become disillusioned?  Is it a good thing or a bad thing. 


Disillusionment is.....

The exact moment when a person becomes aware of facts that go against what is believed to be true, they experience what psychologists call cognitive dissonance; it is that tense, uncomfortable sensation that what one sees is so out of sync with what one already believes to be true, that the mind instantly rejects it, even when the facts are plain and indisputable.

We see this happen daily in Armstrongism.  People in Dave Pack's cult and Gerald Flurry's know they are following mentally unstable men yet they sit there and make excuses when they hear things that disrupt their thinking and raise red flags.  That is the only reason Flurry and Pack get away with the garbage that they do.

The experience of disillusionment is one that is common to all.  It is safe to say that at some time or another, every human being has had the experience of believing in something that turned out not to be true.  The initial shock that comes when one’s perception of the world is revealed to be at odds with the hard facts of reality can range anywhere from mild disappointment to a feeling of overwhelming psychological trauma.

Whatever the degree of deception, the realization that one has been believing in a lie is a painful experience, not only psychologically but physically as well.  Like a punch to the stomach, it can feel like one’s breath has been taken away.  And because our beliefs about the world are interconnected with other beliefs fixed in our brains, the destruction of one belief can often lead to a cascade of collapse of many others.

“Nothing is more sad than the death of an illusion.” 
~ Arthur Koestler

When a person is confronted with facts that contradict currently held belief systems, they have one of two choices.  The first choice is to go into denial mode by rejecting the facts as being untrue in order to prop up their chosen belief system and continue living as before.  The second choice is to accept the new data and try and reconstruct a new internal paradigm or map of reality that accommodates the new information, which may mean putting into question all other beliefs associated with the old model.

 Check out the entire article here: The Necessity of Disillusionment