Dave Pack: August 4 Is The Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

David C. Pack’s Epic Craptacular

 

Guess who set a new “all or nothing” date for tomorrow, August 4, 2022, which is Av 7? It either happens or everyone waits a year. By the time some read this, it will already be too late. Ponder that.

 

David C. Pack is the most desperate I have ever heard him be.

 

I have been listening to him preach since 2010 and I was on staff starting in December of 2012. I have heard him say things that never left the room. I also heard him speak frankly (and sometimes brutally) during the Ministerial Conferences. With all that background, understand: David C. Pack has never been this desperate to prove something that is not there.

 

We all seem to be watching a downward spiral in action. Where it leads…I have no idea.

 

David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear to make a judgment call if he is true or not.

 

 

On Tuesday, August 2^nd, he pulled the staff away from being productive so they could marvel at the sound of his voice for another 1 hour and 43 minutes but called it, “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 386).” He opened with one of his favorite topics: About how right he is.

 

@ 00:27 By the way, I knew almost immediately that we would be here today. And that’s why I said it the other day. I doubted seriously this morning would be the start of things.

 

Look who gets a cookie for disbelieving a Dave Pack theory. If I actually ate a cookie every time I disbelieved Dave, I would look like an adult Cartman about now.

 

If he “doubted seriously,” then why say it in the first place? BECAUSE he was covering his bases. Just in case the Kingdom of God / Kingdom to Israel / Jesus Christ / The Father arrived on Tuesday morning, he could then tell everyone walking by for the rest of eternity how RIGHT he was about the date.

 

He will be insufferable during the millennium.

 

Dave donned his Chicken Little Halloween mask and then commented about the news.

 

@ 00:56 Nancy Pelosi, kind of a semi-senile old lady who wants to have her legacy remembered has put America on the edge of a nuclear war by deciding to go to Taiwan.

 

This is the type of comment during my tenure that was stricken from the record and not distributed to the church. Wiser thinking of times gone by was that if a quote was “leaked out,” it could potentially get back to that politician that Dave was ridiculing them. But since RCG is so close to the return of Jesus Christ, who cares who Dave pisses off?

 

Psychological Projection

In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage.

                                                            Wikipedia – Sigmund Freud, Case Histories II (PFL 9) p. 132

 

 

@ 02:40 We will gain knowledge today. That simple statement will grow to epic proportion by sermon’s end.

 

Dave’s epic craptacular begins.

 

@ 03:27 If there were 4 days before the 45 days that are bad in a period called “The Kingdom to Israel” that start the 49 days, would those 4 days count against the 10 [days of the Tribulation]?”

 

This one comment summarizes why David C. Pack fascinates me. I was no mathlete in high school but I now appreciate the significance of the number 4.

 

This is the type of statement that drives me to continue the exrcg.org website. This is what motivates me to do a 5^thinterview with Dawn Blue. This is the technique that makes me angry at the weak, cowardly enablers at Headquarters who sold their spines for a bowl of beans.

 

Dave never explained where the “4 days” were in the Bible during Part 385. He spent 8 minutes talking about 4 days but NEVER PROVED IT. This was his hallmark verse:

 

Luke 12:49

I am come  to send   fire  on   the  earth;  and  what  will  I, if  it be already  kindled? 

 

For the next hour and eighteen minutes of Part 386, he mentions the “4 days” over and over again as if it were a previously proven fact. It is a foregone conclusion, just like how God commands His people to count 50 days before Trumpets. Those are both no-brainers to him.

 

This is what Dave does. This is how they do things in The Restored Church of God now.

 

Dave will talk and talk and talk and talk and talk. He fills your ears with words until your cup runneth over and it becomes white noise. Like when the leaf blower outside your window for 45 minutes suddenly goes quiet. You breathe a sigh of relief.

 

When Dave stops talking, everyone in the Main Hall breathes a sigh of relief.

 

David C. Pack made “4 days” out of thin air on the Sabbath. He pulled it out of his hat. He had it hidden up his sleeve. He bought it off the Dark Web. He slipped, hit his head on the toilet rim, and when he woke up he had a vision, a picture in his head. The 4 days. But unlike Doc Brown, this vision will never be a reality.

 

I suppose I should not be surprised as he has been making things up and calling it doctrine for years.

 

I’m Elijah. Elijah is That Prophet. That is not the ancient David. The days of my voice. I’m rushing to call it out.

 

Fabrication. Imagination. Biblical sleight of hand. Prophetic nonsense. Fraud. Wickedness.

 

@ 03:44 Now, if so and they do and that will be clear. If so, then the Kingdom of God, the First Kingdom of God, would not be 35 days followed by 10 days of Tribulation, but rather 39 days, 4 days longer, and followed by 6 days of Tribulation.

If you think hearing it is easier than reading it, I invite you to listen to the longer version.

Kingdom to Israel

@ 04:32 Here’s another point that proves we’re absolutely on track. In effect, as the old saying goes, “We’ve got this!”

 

He went on to thoroughly not prove that at all.

 

Dave coined a new adjective that I had to play back at ½ speed three times to confirm. He added “n” to the end of “Elijah.” Depending on how in love he is with the term “Elijahn period,” we may never hear it again or he will repeat it until we start accidentally incorporating it into our daily vocabulary.

 

@ 13:22 “I’m gonna show you the smoking gun after I prove to you there is an Elijahn period because we walked outta here, I wasn’t sure. I’m gonna absolutely prove there is an Elijahn period and I’m gonna tell you exactly how long it is so you’ll be able to know when it comes. Because we have to see Christ by next Sunday.

 

This is a strange quote to revisit after hearing the entire message. Dave later places all the chips on Thursday, August 4. That’s Av 7. That’s tomorrow. If tomorrow does not happen, then Sunday is moot. Maybe he figured this out over the next 90 minutes while at the Tammuz Cooking Table.

 

As a non-prophet/non-psychic, I declare as fact that Jesus Christ will not return by Sunday, August 7th. He will not return on Thursday, August 4th, either.

 

Which one of us is God going to back up, Dave?

 

For those inside The Restored Church of God, when you get ready for work next Monday morning, reflect on the reality that God’s Apostle—David C. Pack (who is here “in the spirit and power of Elijah”) was wrong and that a deceived antichrist serpent was right. Again. Twice in one week.

 

I am not saying God is behind what I am doing. I do not dare to put God’s fingerprints on my actions or motivations, but it should give anyone still buying Dave’s fraud some pause when it is “business as usual” all the way to Monday, August 8^th.

 

The “4 days” is there because Dave NEEDS them to be there. One of the weapons in Dave’s Precise Speculation arsenal is Inductive Reasoning. It has served him well over the years and he continues to hone his craft.

 

The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy explains the difference between Deductive Reasoning and Inductive Reasoning.

 

A deductive argument is an argument that is intended…to provide a guarantee of the truth of the conclusion provided that the argument’s premises are true.

 

An inductive argument is an argument that is intended…to be strong enough that, if the premises were to be true, then it would be unlikely that the conclusion is false. So, an inductive argument’s success or strength is a matter of degree, unlike with deductive arguments.

 

Think of “deductive” as presenting fact and “inductive” as presenting theory.

 

It is quite a surreal experience to listen to the entire message from beginning to end and see how clearly he is making it all up. The 50-count to Trumpets and the “4 days” are made up. A deluge of words that eat time. There is no substance. No foundation. No biblical proof. Only speculation.

 

This has to be one of the single-greatest craptacular ideas David C. Pack has ever come up with.

 

The more he quotes the Bible, the more he shows he has nothing in his hands. I have never seen Dave so desperate. The man is desperate. It cannot be any type of party to be around him these days.

 

The members of The Restored Church of God must be so prophetically numb, they must just be hearing a leaf blower when Dave opens his mouth. It is all white noise and they are grateful when it stops.

 

@ 56:56 “Know this first, that no prophesy of the scriptures of any private interpretation.” ‘Member when Elijah is raised, That Prophet’s raised, false prophets are gonna come and false teachers are gonna push back. So, the emphasis is “Don’t believe people who are bringing different ideas” in verses [2 Peter 1] 20 and 21. A man has to be led of God’s Spirit. Don’t listen to anything else.

 

Psychological Projection. ‘Nuff said.

 

@ 1:00:44 One of the questions is: When did the Two Witnesses function? If they are not Moses and Elijah, you oughta at least ask the question. I’ve come to wonder if they are or aren’t. Now that I understand this period more than ever, I wonder, "Are Moses and Elijah brought back to talk to Laodicea?" Hmm. Or do we maybe not quite get that right?

 

You better hide from Ed and Dr. Vijoen or they will snatch your notes from your lap. Did Brad march upstairs and scrub Part 381 from Member Services? Somebody should check that.

 

We all need to give Herbert W. Armstrong a little more credit than we have in the past. The man ran a church for 50 years and knew to not create a new doctrine or prophetic framework that would then hamstring the previous doctrine or framework. Dave says how close he was to HWA, but he clearly never learned this lesson.

 

Dave creates a new web of understanding by stringing together verses that do not actually fit. He spends hour upon hour studying so he can then spend hour upon hour teaching.  The problem becomes that when you build such a heavy, complicated structure out of candy glass, bumping into it or moving it a little causes disaster.

 

Dave keeps breaking his own theories. Theory B cracks Theory A. Theory C breaks Theory B. Theory D takes Theory A-B-C and chucks them out the window. A year later, he goes dumpster diving and finds Theory A again, presenting it as “something the church never saw.” If only someone recorded these things…

 

@ 1:05:06 If this went another year, brethren, I can just tell you, a year from now, we’re not gonna be any bigger. We’d continue to “lie waste” for one or three or ten more years. That’s just biblical.

 

So all you unmarried members in RCG that are looking forward to the Feast so you can find a fresh, single face…forget it. Even Dave admits the pool will not be getting any deeper.

 

He finishes reading Revelation 10:7.

 

@ 1:10:08 The whole plan of God, there it is…And that is absolutely the way it is. On God’s authority, that is not wrong. Or math is wrong. So, that Mystery is ended. But that’s talking about a period right before Christ gets here where “the days of his voice” are involved and “He’s about to sound”… 

Revelation 10 Plan of God

It turns out to be that Daniel 12 is the big deal he teased at the beginning of the message. The one chapter that explains the whole plan of God.

 

Eventually, Dave gets to his unicorn. The desperately-needed “4 days” is found in Daniel 12:7 by stating, “a time, times, and an half” means 3 ½ days, not 3 ½ years as Herbert W. Armstrong so foolishly believed his entire ministry.

 

Dave puts the kibosh on “the day for a year rule” that even he followed for decades.

 

He then tells a story to admit something disturbing. When he preached on the Sabbath, he did not yet “see” the 3 ½ days in Daniel 12. Luke 12:49 was all he had in the storehouse. I knew the cupboard was bare or he would have told everyone. The man preached about “4 days” when he KNEW he had not found them in the Bible.

 

The 3 ½ days of Daniel 12 “struck him like lightning” on Sunday and Monday. Give anyone a Bible and strong motivation, they will find whatever they need to find. God lets people stumble at His word. Dave is pulling a full-blown Chevy Chase down the stairs with all of this.

 

The tiny little crack in his candy glass theory is still that he never found “4 days.” If someone were so inclined, they could even poke at the idea in Daniel 12:7 that “time, times, and a half” does not mean 3 ½ anything. If HWA was wrong about it being years, could he also have been wrong about the meaning?

 

Dave needed 4 days to get to an even 50-count so he can draw a dotted line from Pentecost (as a type) to The Feast of Trumpets. No matter which way you interpret it, Daniel 12 does not get him to “4 days” but to 3 ½. If you are flexible with the interpretation.

 

“Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.”

 

Forget being "exact" with the scriptures. Also, forget that God NOWHERE commands anyone to count 50 days until Trumpets.

 

You can watch him explain the plan of God presented in Daniel 12 while at the Tammuz Cooking Table.

 

 

@ 1:27:21 I never read correctly Daniel 12:7. God smashes the Splinters… “and swore by Him that lives forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half and when He,” well, the antecedent is God, “shall have to accomplished to shatter and scatter the power of the holy people.” It’s all over. And then comes Christ. “Time no longer.” Now, that’s a stunning thing to understand.

 

If you have friends in other churches, you better start making phone calls. They only have a few hours left to freak out before absolutely nothing happens tomorrow morning.

 

@ 1:31:41 Of course, it does say three shepherds are killed and many get an appointment with God’s vengeance in 4 days when they’re gonna weep and gnash their teeth when the Kingdom of God arrives. So, they’re appointed to death and have “a certain, fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation” at the 1335 that will devour them when the Father comes 4 days after Christ does. Which is 3 ½ days after God raised Elijah.

 

It is tricky to follow him when he works his way backward. But since his thinking is completely backward, that should be no surprise.

 

@ 1:37:25 If Sabbath and Tuesday were put together [Part 385 & 386], I promise you that’s the picture. You have the picture. It’s inarguable. You have the picture. It will not change, it cannot change if we wait a hundred years.

 

Like fish in a barrel.

 

Part 367 – May 14, 2022

@ 1:42:09 But I’d rather just tell you we’re right on track. It looks to me like it’s tomorrow night or we wait a year.

 

Part 379 – June 25, 2022

@ 18:23 It’s impossible that God doesn’t start to ‘revive His work’ on Tammuz 1 in the year of His choosing.

 

Part 380 – July 1, 2022

@ 1:26:38 If for some reason, it’s not this picture, I will not bend it, I’ll tell ya that now.

 

 

But that was then, this is now.

 

@ 1:38:26 There’s no question it starts on the 7^th of Av in the year God does it and ends on Trumpets. Over and out. Done. Inarguable. Dynamite couldn’t blow that outta my mind. I hope you either. And every time you get confused, pull out Daniel 12.

 

Dave’s new math lands us on Thursday morning, August 4^th. That is less than 12 hours from now. At 11PM Eastern, it will be Av 7 in Jerusalem, so you will soon be able to disregard that as a factor.

 

@ 1:40:07 This literally is the last time I could either start or end a message with either of these two things. I still believe this year or we’re still on track. There’s no more time for me to ever say that again this year. It’s this Thursday AM or Wednesday night or into Thursday morning, whenever it is. Or it’s the same time next year or the year after or the year after. I can’t believe that because God would be telling us, “Just be ready that your Lord delays His coming and you’re gonna lay waste another year or more.”

 

@ 1:41:14 All I can tell you absolutely is, “That is right.” And you should be able to see it by math. I’m a very detailed speaker. Mr. Schleifer described my messages as “information rich.” I can get some things wrong, but I try to be very detailed.

 

Information rich? True. Speculation rich? True. Word rich? True. Truth rich? Well…

 

As a non-prophet/non-psychic, I predict Dave will speak either Friday afternoon or on the Sabbath. He will not get to Monday without commenting. However, since I love waffles, too…if he is feeling particularly defeated, he will refuse to get in front of an audience and then feverishly compose a bloated “Prophetic Update” in Member Services.

 

This is not over. Not by any stretch of Dave’s imagination. What an epic craptacular!

 

 

For those keeping score after Parts 385 & 386, remove the following from your online pool list:

 

·      On God’s authority

·      It finally became clear

·      You have the complete picture

·      The Bible suggests

·      Inarguable

·      Impossible

·      I thought I understood

·      Now I understand

·      In the days of his voice

·      Maybe

·      Possibly

·      Coincidence

·      Math

·      Metrics

·      Proofs

·      Coincidence

·      Math

·      We can’t go another year

·      The series is over

·      Tammuz

·      1335

·      We’re right on track

Marc Cebrian

See:  David C. Pack’s Epic Craptacular

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God is NOT the Author of Confusion...

He has assigned the task to the Apostle David C Pack

 
"WE never understood it until now! We didn't see it!"

"I have never quite seen what God is doing as I have now"

I will make this absolutely and irrefutably clear as never before. The Math is correct. We are right on target. It can be no other way!  We are absolutely right on target. 

This is powerful! 

Easy Peasy beyond belief

"Hold on! Hold on!  I'm getting another message from God. Assemble the staff! Assemble the employees! Ministry listen up!

 It's Sunday! No, Trumpets! No!  While we are in our cars going home from the Feast!   No wait! Hold on...Halloween!  

My beautiful mind is flashing!

Boom! Wait a minute!

"Anytime you get confused, listen to the last two sermons"

I'm not obsessed with my calling

It's this Thursday...

Truly, this time...this is the end of the series!!!!

This "simplicity that is in Christ" is complicated Mr Pack... 

2 Corinthians 11:3

“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

I would encourage the Restored Church of God ministry gift Dave with a copy of the New Testament before it's too late. It almost is.  Perhaps you could read it yourselves?

 ...because the Apostle Pack is widely known for his speculative, mistaken and delusional "much speaking" and you're going to be looking for honest and meaningful work soon unless you wake Dave up. 

Dave Pack Creates His Zombie Ministry: 2013: We Can Only Assume the Current RCG Ministry Passed the Test

 

The Restored Church of God Zombie Ministry

Questionnaire  

2013

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"What part of Sermon 385 on what is irrefutably true did you like the most?"



"....OH, EVERY LAST WORD OF IT MR. PACK!"

======================================================

Having once been a pastor for WCG and experience in 14 congregations scattered across 5 states over 26 years, I believe I know how the ministry of that organization worked.  I knew many very sincere, quietly serving and believing pastors and elders.  They were no different than pastors in any other denomination.  You probably don't remember their names.  They weren't the Dave Pack's, Ron Weinland and Gerald Flurrys of the ministry.  For whatever reason, buffoons and theologically challenged salesman rose to the bottom ("the top") while those given to ministry mostly realized they made a mistake in their youth believing that the message of WCG and the Bible were one. .  The drama over the heads of the average minister was unending.  Personally, I suppressed my doubts, fears and observations about just how this WCG thing was all going.  I had moments where I thought it would clarify and common sense would reign, but someone always cancelled common sense.  HWA was good at that, and Joe Tkach Sr and Jr simply never heard of it.  Others of you may know of other motives they may have had but all I can come up with is that they were fools. 

Dave Pack is particularly a symbol to me of all that I never spoke up about.  That is never going to happen again of course, and the MOTIVE is to help others see and wake up.  No one can make a decision on such matters for a member of any group lead by one man with no common sense and perhaps even mental challenges, but I can encourage eyes to open as do others here.  I'm a firm believer in being where one is when they are there until they aren't there any longer.  Waking up is a process.  It does not come for everyone, and others would say I am the one asleep so it's all subject to one's personal view of their story.

We are all breathlessly waiting on Dave's last, last message about Haggai and his calling as Joshua the High Priest as spoken of in that minor prophet.  Of course, it is all baloney and Dave just seems to have too much time on his hands to think about himself.  I suspect there is trouble in Wadsworth, but we'll see.  I am sure Dave has come to the point where he simply just wants this problem, he caused in his own credibility to go away.  It takes a long time to reweave something to make it look like it was never full of holes.  It will prove to be the single greatest public mistake Dave Pack ever made yet. (This was 2013. We all now know there was much more to come by 2022) in what he considers to be his view of himself in the Wild World of God Churches.

Most of us here have read Dave's questionnaire and litmus test for returning ministers should they wish to hitch their star to the Restored Church of God.  No real man much less minister, in my view, would ever answer to Dave's satisfaction any of these questions.  Dave simply wishes to remodel others in his own image and that is going to take work and leaving one's soul at the door of Dave's office.  Any man who joins Restored Church as a minister is simply a yes man.

Dave Pack is particularly judgmental, mostly mental, when it comes to what he demands of others and how they "should" or "must" be.  Dave is big on "should-Ing" on others and quite a "must-rabator" in my view of him as I read his screeds.

Here is how he views ministers other than himself and the zombies he has already created for his ministry.  From his open letter to the ministry of July 12, 2013. Admittedly, I could not resist applying. 

DAVE ANNOUNCES:

"Instead, while this announcement will correct you, it will also inspire and surprise you. It includes a series of questions to consider in advance of the Haggai prophecy fulfillment. The goal is to lift you with hope for the future. Another purpose of these announcements has been to awaken in ministers a remembrance of the government of God at work in His Church. If you are reading with an open mind you will understand that what is written is, in part, an appeal designed to get your attention and return you to your true role and calling. You once firmly believed that Jesus Christ had installed you into the office you held within His unified Body. (Yet hundreds of you went on to reduce your God-ordained office to mere “elder.”)   Hopefully many of you still believe as you once did."

Dave shows his contempt for "low office" in the COGs.  He has never gotten over being sent to work for others back in the day when someone at least tried to tell him he was hardly the kind of man that qualified as a "helper of your joy."  He is the SAME today as he was then, and I was told by the man who was asked to try and help Dave out that he'd never change.  Dave got "demoted" and it really rankled him.  Now he can reveal this with his "mere" elder view.  Notice he did not emphasize the word "mere" as in it's not really a small thing.  He emphasized "elder" as meaning it really is a low office unworthy of himself.  Dave is projecting his own contempt on to what the ministry out there should not want to tolerate since they used to have "higher" offices.   Lame..   "He that is greatest among you, let him be your servant..."

DAVE CONTINUES...

"Tragically, some will make the wrong decision and lose eternal life. Consider carefully your actions. Your record is being written. Judgment is now on the house of God (I Pet. 4:17). You know human beings. You know they will broadcast what happened in your pastorate. (Future announcements will explain EXACTLY what God says will happen to everyone who does not come—one of three things, none good.)"

What kind of of BS is this?  Dave decides what a wrong decision is and the consequences of it all for that person.  Words of a fool.  Dave Pack has not had the best track record of late in explaining anything "EXACTLY" so I'd not worry about the three nongood things in store for such losers.  I can think of a few more than three things, nongood, in store for Dave Pack as this railroad he is building rolls on.

Here's a few points from his litmus test for RCG ministry Zombies to be that are particularly offensive and ill informed.

DAVE ASKS...

(3) Established Doctrine and Tradition

• In what doctrines or traditions do you believe Mr. Armstrong “got it wrong”? (Include all areas—be specific.)

Most of them.  HWA had no formal theological training and hunt and pecked his way through the Bible for answers to questions which then became THE answers to our own at one time.

(4) Did you actively resist false doctrine in your ministry? —or give safe sermons where you disagreed? (Be specific.)

I don't think I ever gave a safe sermon.  That came later when the Tkaches turned sermon giving into ridiculous double talk.  You haven't lived until you had to be told Hank Hanagraaf , the Bible Answer Man, was someone you should look to.  Personally, during those days, I read books on topics the WCG never addressed.  For the past few years, you here at BannedHWA have been subjected mercilessly to those results.  Your results may vary...

6) Why should you still be considered for the ministry in God’s Church?

• Why should God’s flock ever again be entrusted to your care?
• Are you prepared to re-win brethren’s trust, including brethren now here whom you will likely also pastor? What about re-winning the trust of Headquarters?

This is pure Dave Pack WCG/Global resentment bubbling up in his demands on ministry.  Re-winning the trust of the brethren but in particular of Dave Pack sounds like something out of WWII.
"Are you prepared to re-win the trust of the SS and of Berlin?"   Personally, I'd not want to be trusted by Dave because it would mean I was dead inside.

(9) Do you now believe again that Christ works solely through one unified organization?

No sorry, can't do that one.  Certainly not RCG

(10) In light of government(s) you followed, how do you see God’s government today?

Totally screwed up and not really an issue.

(15) Are you willing to temporarily or permanently become an associate pastor?

No, you weren't so why should I have to put up with that?  Goose and Gander stuff here.  What?  You think I want to be a mere Elder!!!???

(16) Are you willing to be excluded from the ministry until you requalify?

After your recent flub ups and misreading of Haggai, are you?

(18) If your ordination(s) is(are) invalid, are you interested in being re-trained for Christ’s true
ministry?

I'll show you my "Pastor Credentials" if you show me your "Watcher", "Apostle," "Joshua the High Priest" ones...    I want to see signatures and seals of approval.

(19) Do you believe ministers should be able to voice opinions to others about:

• Where Headquarters is “wrong”?
• What Mr. Armstrong taught/said/did “wrong”?
• What Mr. Pack teaches/says/does “wrong”?
• Where your boss is “wrong” or harsh, etc.?
• Where you disagree doctrinally?

Oh man yeah!  You do it all the time.  I'm sensing the resentment of the crushing defeat you felt you experienced in the past here.  In real life Dave, all men are equal, and input is a good thing.  Have you ever read "In the multitude of counselors there is safety"?  Do you know why you are in the Haggai fix you are in?  It is because you would abide no real input.  You fired the one minister who warned you about overbuilding and the Joshua thing.  You kept the lackeys and mere agreers.

(20) Do you consider yourself as having been (rate yourself from 5 being best to 0 being worst):

• Weak                  
• Cowardly
• Slothful
• Covetous
• Confused
• Compromising
• Foolish
• Political (And did you ever “run for office” in a splinter?)
• Heretical
• Deceitful
• Easily deceived
• Betrayed your calling

(You can tell the longer Dave makes this list of questions, the angrier about his being snubbed in the past he becomes.  Dave, do you consider yourself as being arrogant, ill informed, mislead, full of yourself, dictatorial, silly, untrained, goofy, confused, foolish, deceitful and in need of some counseling?

(21) Why did you lose the ability to “discern good from evil” (Heb. 5:13-14)? —and for so long?

I didn't or I'd not be writing this....

(22) What do you consider to be your ministerial rank?

Genuine Human Being (Dave has always loved numbers and ranks)

(23) Are you prepared to dedicate the rest of your life to serving God’s flock and fixing completely
the horrific mess you helped cause in so many lives?

You first Dave...they don't call much of your ministry "the trail of tears" for nothing.

(24) In light of how you once saw Mr. Armstrong, do you still recognize the fruits of a true apostle when you see one?

Probably not and it would not be you if I did.

(25) Describe your spiritual condition today. (Also, rate your temperature from 0-10, with 10 the highest.)

Deeply spiritual and non-religious.  98.6

(26) What 5 biggest lessons did you learn from and since the apostasy? (In order of importance.)

1. Organized Religion is an Oxymoron

 2.  Rank is an odor 

3.  Clowns rise to the top  

4. The Bible has problems with itself

 5. You're  delusional

(29) Having now long abandoned many doctrines you said you would never leave; how would you convince Headquarters that this time you “mean it” if you intend to now “hold fast” (Rev. 3:11)?

I would lie and act all emotional, cry, beat my chest, whine, beg and try to perceive what you needed to see from me to fool you into thinking I wasn't "Joshin'" ya. 

(31) Are you prepared to spend a full year (or more) catching up with all you must unlearn, relearn, and learn new?

Will I get paid?  Otherwise, no. (Will you since we now have ten more years of your foolish sheepherding and prophetic gibberish.)

(33) How would you prove that you are still Spirit-led? —or were ever Spirit-led?

Raise the dead?  Heal the man with one arm?  Hear the voice of Jesus in my head telling me you are to be obeyed?  Whatever works I guess. Tell you that you are awesome?  "But I tell you brethren, I'm going nowhere" with Dave Pack.

(35) What did you do after reading the article “God’s People Back Together—SOON!”?

Laughed and thought to myself what kind of a fool would come up with this stuff...  I'm not a fan of that "soon" stuff.  What did you do Dave after God's people kinda didn't show up?  Just askin'


Anyway, stay tuned for Dave's final wrap up of the awesome and amazing prophecy/parallel of Haggai in which God, for 3000 years really, was preparing the world for David C Pack...

NOTE:  ...and another ten years of Dave Pack's ministry and even more foolish and delusional theology.

Dave Pack: Is he delusional or is he lying?

 

Holy Day Whoopsie-Daisy

 

David C. Pack continued his tradition of ruining the Sabbath for everyone at the Headquarters of The Restored Church of God this past weekend. Not only did the local brethren get to enjoy extended inaccurate biblical nonsense, but all the teens whose parents made them go to Ambassador Youth Camp had to rush past their dessert to sit through “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 385).”

 

@ 00:03 Well, as I often say, “Here we are again.” …it’s crucial and it will leave you with a sense of peace maybe you’ve not had before.

 

After listening to the whole message, I actually found it to be quite disturbing. And that was because I was trying to understand it. By the end of this, did anyone in the room have any inkling of peace?

 

I have planned on writing an article titled, “Is David C. Pack A Man Of His Word?” That question is rhetorical if you have any understanding of his long history of sayings and teachings. In recent weeks, I realized that he will tell you everything you need to hear to make a judgment about whether or not he speaks the truth.

 

The fact that he makes light of, "often…Here we are again,” clues you in on just how self-aware he might be. In Part 384, he ended with, “The series is over.” Did you believe him? I did not. And here we are.

 

Part 385 was delivered on July 30, 2022, to a captivated captured audience.

 

@ 03:20 I began to explore immediately after Tuesday, immediately. Actually, that night and then on into the morning, some things that didn’t sit right with me per Elul 15. Where 45 days would end at Elul 15. Well, since that’s now impossible, it may be interesting to know, first of all, before it was impossible, almost immediately after I’d spoken it, things began to hit me...

 

Things like reality and common sense, no doubt.

 

@ 03:58 I was led before the fact and the men around me know, I knew it immediately, literally that night, I was challenging some things that don’t sit right about that.

 

For those still attending RCG: If Mr. Pack goes home and does not believe his own message, why should you? If he cannot even let 24 hours pass without changing what he taught, why would you think he will ever be true about anything he preaches?

 

Dave mentions he was “led before” the deadline as if that is something to be proud of. It is the “right about something that was wrong” mental game that he plays with himself.

 

It has never crossed Dave’s mind that when he has new information, he should just sit on it for ONE MORE DAY before spewing it all over the church. So many wrong dates and goofy theories could have been averted if he had just waited one more day. Learning from your mistakes is for suckers.

 

He has admitted in the past that by the time he gets to the elevator, he already knows something is wrong. If only he had that feeling “hit” him when he came down from the third floor rather than when going back up, he could have saved himself so much embarrassment.

 

@ 05:04 Well, now you at least know Elul 15 is impossible.

 

Welcome to everyone else’s side of the table, Dave.

 

He dropped Elul 15 like a hot potato and returned to Trumpets being the Day of the Lord. A 45-day count from Trumpets gets you back to Av 15, but before you get all excited, this message is about to get more squishy.

 

Dave revisited the book of Daniel to discover what the words "until" and "to" meant. Reading comprehension has never been his strength. Of course, it was the translators at fault here. If only Dave had a time machine. He could go back and teach those lousy nincompoops exactly how they should have translated the Old Testament. He could also go back to a week ago and slap that Elul 15 gibberish right out of his own head.

 

While in Revelation 1, Dave dazzled the audience when he revealed, “I know what a trumpet sounds like.” The campers let out an audible gasp. Surely, they were all now grateful they were rushed through the food line so they could hear that revealing of incredible knowledge in person. Perhaps some lamented for all the unfortunate members not at Headquarters who would have to hear such things while sitting at home. Time and chance happens to us all.

 

You could not have guessed in a million years where he winds up going in this “landmark” (heh heh) message. 

 

@ 23:21 Why did Israel and the church count 50 to Pentecost, a Holy Day, for 3,500 years?...And we did it possibly in the wrong season toward the wrong Holy Day.

 

@ 24:35 …but is it possible that we were counting 50…through the wrong weeks toward the wrong Holy Day when we should be counting 50 in the weeks of the fall harvest that God put 'em in the spring for a purpose to hide them?

 

The answer is no.

 

@ 24:50 Why did He do that?

 

God did not do that, Dave. This is all you.

 

@ 25:03 What did it signal? It had to have a purpose. What purpose?

 

Out of all Dave's wild speculations, this takes the cake for wild speculations. What he goes on to explain is that the count to Pentecost is a type. God put the 50-day count to Pentecost in the Bible to “hide” that He actually wanted His Church to count 50 days to Trumpets. You know, without telling anyone throughout the entire book.

 

While it is too late for Brad to slip a copy of Children’s Bible Lessons – Level 1 “The Spring Feasts” into Dave’s briefcase while he was up at the Tammuz Cooking Table, he can still suggest pages 5 through 8 for refresher material before the next message.

Dave may not be good at math, but his Precise Speculation skills are top-notch. He would have proven himself to be very effective on the O.J. Simpson defense team. “If the count doesn’t fit, you must acquit.”

 

@ 25:24 But is it possible that there are 50 days or 49 days before a different Holy Day? Before Trumpets? We've already found 46 of 'em? Can we find four more? If we could find four more days that somehow are tied to the 46 we already have, then we'd have to count 49 to the 50th day and it would be Trumpets.

 

Dave spends more time speculating than Topol ever did.

 

If I were a rich man…Ya ba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dum

 

@ 34:26 And I’m just gonna tell you if it’s not this year, then…we’re gonna wait ‘til about next July 28^th and you can shut down your watch. It’s a waste of time because the Kingdom of God is coming on Trumpets.

 

@ 38:17 Now I can absolutely, absolutely explain where we find four days and that it’s impossible, I believe to get past next Sunday…Lock it! It won’t be any other way even if it were in another year. Impossible.

 

 

 

Dave must really hate when I do this:

 

Part 367 – May 14, 2022

@ 1:31:20 I am telling God’s people I believe the Kingdom of Israel and eternal life comes tomorrow night.If I’m wrong…I’m wrong by a whole year because I know the day it happens.

 

Part 375 – June 12, 2022

@ 29:48 …this is the year and everything lines up…let us look toward next Tuesday…

 

Part 379 – June 25, 2022

@ 1:13:19 Because if it doesn’t happen this Wednesday…nothing’s gonna change. The Bible won’t change in a year. This picture won’t change in a year.

 

 

But that was then and this is now. Let the past go, brethren. Do not let it confuse you, brethren.

 

@ 37:46 No matter where we go and what we learn for the balance of the message,…you can just bank August 11^th. But if we can find four more days, then you can bank August 7^th. We don’t even get to next Sunday if something is found in front of that.

 

Everyone mark your calendars right now. With a pencil, of course. Do not be foolish.

 

For 4 ½ minutes, Dave explains that this verse is the key to finding the “four missing days” so he can get to a count of 50 preceding Trumpets.

 

Luke 12:49

I am come  to send   fire  on   the  earth;  and  what  will  I, if  it be already  kindled? 

 

I must be the wicked antichrist serpent he thinks me to be because I do not see four days in there.

 

The Bible does not mention four days. Dave does not go to verses where you can even count out four days. He just reads the verse and opens the filth spigot to spray prophetic sewage all over the church. 

 

He disregards the basic rules of Bible study. He disregards his own admonitions to be “exact” with the scriptures. He did something every minister warns lay members about. If you go looking for “something,” in the Bible, you will find “something.” Dave went hunting for “missing days” and pulled a Joseph Smith out of Luke 12.

 

For those that wonder if I am misrepresenting the explanation, click to hear some of the rationales.

 

Fire on the Earth

Note the key phrases: “…those sound a lot to me like…” “…like maybe…” “…you begin to find an indicator…” “…like maybe in four days…” “If so…”

 

@ 1:05:47 When Christ comes quickly with crowns as a…Bridegroom to the virgins, “I’m coming quickly. Let no man take your crown. Hold fast which you have,” is said to all the saints because Christ comes quickly. Well, that’s not 45 days. That’d be four days. Quickly…It’s just easy to see now.

 

This quote is a perfect example of how desperate David C. Pack has become. He is making things up and showing the church that is exactly what he is doing. “Easy to see” and yet it is not there.

 

He now has more in common with Simon Magus than he does with Herbert W. Armstrong.

 

Dave completely made up those four days. He twisted the words in Luke to fit his farcical narrative. Right before their eyes.

 

Imagined. Not real. Not true. Not provable. Not there. Like a magician with a card trick except he did not pull an ace out from behind their ears as Brad would do, but they actually walked away missing their wallets. That is how David C. Pack does his corner magic.

 

Those “missing four days” only exist in his mind. The next message this week will only stand to prove how “even more wrong” he actually is. Yet, the man is so blind that he cannot see it.

 

 

Is Dave delusional or is he lying? I ask myself that question more often these days. My meter is starting to tip the other way.

 

Reminder: David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear to make a judgment call if he is true or not. He does not operate in a vacuum. He has a chorale of enablers supporting him.

 

The Emperor is naked!

 

Shame on you, Brad Schleifer.

Shame on you, Ed Winkfield.

Shame on you, Dr. Jaco Viljoen.

Shame on the rest of you “ministers” at Headquarters.

 

Shame on all of the broken hirelings for sitting idly by and letting this blatant perversion go out to the entire church with your bobbleheads left on automatic.

 

David C. Pack did not PROVE where the four missing days were. He only SAID where the four missing days were. Long gone from RCG is the phrase, “Don’t believe me, believe your Bible.”

 

 

As is his custom, Dave cannot take a firm stand on anything anymore.

 

@ 1:03:34 I wanna prepare you for what could happen before I speak again. I have an idea when this would happen. If it happens. But I also think it’s possible nothing will happen until we start to count 50 when Christ comes and He throws a nuclear weapon or a lot of them onto the planet.

 

As a non-prophet/non-psychic, I am going to make a public call on this one:

 

His additional message this week will not get him one inch closer to proving where those “missing four days” are.

 

Dave is going to walk back this 50-day count business long before Trumpets. Wait for it. He could flip the coin and it lands the other way where the count will shift to before Atonement or the Feast of Tabernacles or the Last Great Day. If he does that, he will owe me another sixty bucks.

 

All humor aside…

 

Amen to the Kingdom of God and Jesus Christ coming soon so all this wickedness can come to an end.

 

Marc Cebrian

See:  Holy Day Whoopsie-Daisy