Monday, August 29, 2022

Dave Pack is floating through the prophetic cosmos untethered


Lost in Space (Part 1)

 

We are watching the deterioration of David C. Pack.

 

He is floating through the prophetic cosmos untethered and unable to change his trajectory.

 

The current trend is fascinating. The epileptic fits of prophecy date-setting since April of this year, his “secretive” silence for 12 days, the “I’m sorry I got caught” apology that feels like there was some internal pressure by either the “ministers” or his wife or all of the above,  and now the content of this message that needs to be broken into parts.

 

All things are leading me to believe that David C. Pack is cracking. The fractures are getting bigger and easier to spot. How long until it all crumbles is the big question.

 

The members of The Restored Church of God must be spending their Sunday in deep contemplation about whether to continue attending after hearing “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 390)” which ruined another Sabbath on August 27, 2022.

 

His superior reading comprehension deficit was hammered pretty hard in the last article, but there is another angle to the phenomenon.

 

Not only can he not understand what he reads, but he also cannot understand what he hears from others. Processing spoken words are an insurmountable task. It is no wonder his classmates despised playing The Telephone Game with him in elementary school.

 

 

Personal Story: 2019 RCG Summer Picnic

 

An afternoon thunderstorm rolled through causing many to huddle in the Pavilion on the Campus. I happened to be at the Media Center after just putting away the MPS camera gear. Being Ohio, most of the sky was black and thick with rain, but there was also bright sunlight coming through. It was raining, but it was also sunny.

 

I looked over to the lake next to the Media Center and saw a rainbow. For anyone who understands how rainbows are created, you have to be at a certain angle in relation to the sun to see the prism effect in the water vapor.

 

I returned to the Pavilion where there was some stirring. Six rainbows were spotted around the Campus and some of the photographers were able to capture the moment. Dave was making a big deal of rainbows at the time. Folks remember when eagles, almond trees, and storks were in the spotlight, so I did not give it much credence.

 

I went to him and said, “Mr. Pack, I was at the Media Center and saw a rainbow over the lake.” His eyes widened. He immediately shouted to get everyone’s attention as I stood next to him.

 

“Everyone! Marc Cebrian says he just saw a rainbow stretch from the lake all the way to the Media Center. That makes seven which is God’s number of completion. The Father just visited the Campus.”

 

In that surreal moment, I thought, “That is so not what I just said.” I had to correct those who came up to me afterward and explain that I saw it at the lake from the Media Center, not stretching to the Media Center.

 

While standing next to Dave with everyone looking at us, I realized, “He interprets what he hears to mean what he wants it to.” It was a learning moment that crystallized a way to perceive how Dave taught the Bible.

 

Once I saw what he was doing with the Scriptures, I could not un-see it. You will not be able to un-see it, either.

 

And here we are three years later.

 

 

Dave revisited Luke 1 to keep reminding people of how perceptive he is.

 

@ 00:40 …and it confirms that life begins in the womb. In a most-powerful way. Maybe the most powerful way you could possibly think of.

 

I wonder if the sheer excitement of sharing such an end-time revelation kept Dave up all night. Those in the front row were so grateful they got out of bed this morning. Life begins at conception. We get it.

 

Dave read Luke 1:15 again, completely fixed on the conception and birth of John the Baptist.

 

@ 1:15 Ready? “And he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mother’s womb.” Have you ever noticed that?

 

What is going on with him? Dr. Ranney needs to do another wellness check.

 

There are children in the audience who knew that. That was not some cryptic scripture God kept oblique to hide His purpose. If this is how he “wows” the audience as his opener, it is not a good sign for the rest of the message.

 

I am no Bible scholar, but even I remembered this:

 

Samson was a Nazarite from the womb - Judges 13:5

Jeremiah was ordained a prophet in the womb - Jeremiah 1:3

 

Is he pulling our leg? How do the enablers keep a straight face through all of this?

 

@ 3:55 Now, I wanna make a little correction. I conflated two things. Mr. Tkach…died exactly 40 weeks to the day after he gave a sermon on the Sabbath. And died, therefore, 40 weeks later on a Sabbath.

@ 4:18 Two days before Trumpets. He died on Elul 28.

 

If you are interested in hearing Dave strain at accepting that he got his facts wrong regarding Joseph W. Tkach while doing a sleight of hand with the church, take a listen.



Part 390 – Tkach Clarification

@ 4:26 But I wanted just to correct it. I got that confused with Mr. Armstrong’s final sermon. So, I was absolutely right, it was exactly 40 weeks to the day from when he threw out the law, Sabbath, tithing, unclean meat was okay, and the Holy Days. He did die 40 weeks to the day but he died on the Sabbath and Trumpets was Monday, two days later. So a small clarification.


That correction was not little. That correction was not small. It changed everything about the story. But this is how a calculated David C. Pack wanted to present it.

 

He was hoping that everyone forgot that his entire point from Part 388 was factually inaccurate. Joseph W. Tkach did not die on Trumpets in 1995 as Dave needed him to.

 

He cannot help but show how he was right about something he was wrong. That is another pillar of understanding that drives him.

 

Moving the story even one day still makes it false. He had to move it two. The way he tries to keep his point valid is remarkable. The story was fraudulent, but in his mind, he was "absolutely right" about something.

 

Surely that humble admission to the members of RCG is of great comfort to the Tkach family.

 

This point of “clarification” comes via Joseph Tkach, Jr. regarding David C. Pack’s Part 388 comments.

 

Your recent posts point out David Pack’s contradictions. It seems that he makes things up as he goes along and cannot keep track of his own schema. I listened to the audio clip of his ridiculous comments about my dad’s death. The only fact he correctly stated was that my dad died.

 

My dad did not die screaming in pain holding onto an Orthodox crucifix. Our entire extended family was gathered around him in the hospital and he died quite peacefully. None of my family or my dad's grandchildren were ever prevented from seeing him. And he did not die on the Day of Trumpets of that year. Rather he died on September 23rd, 1995.

 

 

Now that you saw how Dave chose to explain the mistake as well as a family member’s personal account, listen to a short version of his comments from Part 388 and decide if he has a hold on reality.

 


Part 388 – Tkach Died on Trumpets

David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear to make a judgment call if he is true or not.

 

Av 30 and Elul 1 passed this weekend without incident as a certain non-prophet/non-psychic said. I cried laughing when I heard Dave say this next bit.

 

@ 5:22 And the fact that we’re still here, in a way you will see, proves that I was right and God showed me something very powerful yesterday morning before we end with the two most potentially the two most exciting mysteries of the entire series, so we will close the series and close the last part of the series with that.

 

Dave cannot help but show how he was right about something he was wrong. That is twice in just the first five minutes. That is denial on a biblical scale. He is never “really wrong” and that should be of concern to those in RCG.

 

Why does God always show Dave “something” when it is too late?

 

@ 08:58 Now, if I’m God’s servant and He’s leading me, then He shows me one thing at a time, and in these recent days and I kinda rush and call it out. And sometimes there’s too much to rush through.

 

Dave, just stop rushing. You misunderstand the verse. That is not about you. Read my magnum opus from Thursday where I explained the how and why.

 

@ 09:09 But would He let our enemies know? But let's phrase it this way. Would He let His enemies know? Who are monitoring what we're learning. Would He do that? These are big problems.

 

For the sake of argument, I will temporarily suppose David C. Pack is referring to me as an enemy of God and thus, the enemy of Dave. (He is not my enemy but that is not relevant at the moment.)

 

This brings up the fact that I can write these articles and have a website at all. God is allowing all of it.

 

God is allowing “the leaker(s)” to publish everything coming out of RCG. God is allowing me to document the words of David C. Pack going back years in a precise, organized fashion so that those words can be pulled up in a moment to expose his biblical fraud.

 

If God wanted the leaker(s) to be stopped, they would be stopped. If God wanted me to be stopped, He would stop me. If I actually thought God did not want this of me, I would certainly choose to obey Him. Since He has thus far been “quiet” on that front, I will take His silence as permission by omission.

 

If God did not want “His” information to leave the walls of RCG, that would be done.

 

There is a purpose God is allowing David C. Pack to twist in the wind, now joined by his enablers who used to operate under the cover of anonymity. I cannot say I KNOW He wants me to do this just as I cannot say I KNOW He does not want me to do this.

 

Until I know for sure, my natural course is to continue. Just as Dave is following his natural course. The problem is…only one of us has a documented pattern of lies in our history.

 

You decide who is more credible with what is written and spoken. The antichrist serpent enemy of God? Or God’s apostle and sometimes Elijah?

 

Let God’s will be done in this matter. Amen.

 

 

@ 15:42 So, go let’s back and look at some of these month verses very briefly and I’ll show you some things that I came up with.

 

An accidental moment of truth prepping us for when he changes the meaning of the word “month.”

 

@ 16:03 We are overreading in some way that we could be more careful, as I say, exceedingly careful. We’re overreading the month verses. So, I’m gonna go back and I’m gonna rip those apart and see if any one of them says it’s a full month.

 

There is that unhelpful “we” making an appearance again.

 

The same “we” who keeps making mistakes all the time. The same “we” who has repetitively botched the series. The same “we” son of a bitch that makes Dave look like a fool every time a date is set and fails. 

Dave, I am telling you (as your not-enemy) that “we” is being a jerk again and you need to break things off before it continues much further. When Trumpets comes and goes without incident, you will blame “we” just as you always do.

 

One big reveal is that Dave says a “month” does not mean a full month. Yeah. Nothing happened starting at the 30-day point before Trumpets, so do not even worry about it.

 

It is a good thing he figured that out after he had to. It was all about a full month until a full month was no longer possible. Now it is about a not-a-full month. What a coinkydink!

 

I think Dave missed his calling. Instead of pursuing a career as a false apostle and false prophet, he should have gone into designing Escape Rooms. He can figure out every clue necessary for escaping from a prophetic failure.

 

The Bible has 783,137 words and using his superpower of reading comprehension deficit, he changes the words on the page so they achieve his goal, which is to escape from facing reality.

 

David C. Pack is a biblical fraud. David C. Pack is a prophetic fraud. David C. Pack has the most astonishing piss-poor reading comprehension skills of any human being I have ever heard. Once you understand, it becomes easy peasy to see how he "rips apart" Bible passages to make them say what he needs to when he needs it to. The Lego mess is rebuilt with the same pieces to make a different monstrosity.

 

Dave discovers in Hosea 5:7 that the word “month” in a few verses actually means “a new moon” which means it is not a full month. The word does mean “new moon” per the Jewish Publication Society, but Dave takes it a step further. Naturally. I would love to do a fact-check with them on this one.

 

@ 18:04 Now, they’re saying this is not a whole month at all. It’s not saying anything about a month at all. It’s strictly saying it’s a new moon.

 

In what corner of the Marvel Multiverse is any of this statement true? That is not the case in our current reality. Only in a Stanley Kubrick burst of light montage could this be considered possibly true.

 

People of The Restored Church of God: David C. Pack is conning you.

 

He is twisting the Hebrew to mean what he needs it to mean. If you study what he is about to present, it creates an avalanche of problems for everything you read in the Old Testament when you find the word “month.” He breaks the meaning and walks away. No Pottery Barn rules in Wadsworth.

 

Dave tries to distort our old friend (H2320) “chodesh” which is in the Old Testament 279 times. Month 254 times. New moon 20 times. Every person in RCG who has ever studied their Bible should know that word by heart.

 

And yet, this is another moonwalk in outer space by Dave to reverse engineer a Hebrew word to fit his current theology. Do not fall for it.

 

Note that he never told his audience the Hebrew word was chodesh. He did that on purpose because he knows that he has covered that word to death. Everyone inside RCG would know what you mean if you said “chodesh.”

 

His calculated, manipulative move was to keep all the facts from the brethren because if he declared "chodesh does not mean a month, it only means new moon” there would be cartoon exclamation points popping up over every head.

 

@ 18:13 And I immediately realized, “Oh wow.” Verse 8 describes a trumpet and coronet blowing. Verse 9 describes the day of rebuke. Verse 10 describes God's wraith. It says it's Trumpets. Oh my!

 

Dave almost said OMG. This is not the first time. Those verses say Trumpets because he needs them to.

 

According to the Nine Planets website, “A New Moon, in astronomy, marks the beginning of the first lunar phase.” NASA concurred with this.

 

The Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy must not have had the heart to inform Dave that a new moon occurs 12 times a year. Not only on Trumpets.

 

All of Dave's points on this topic suffer from the same fatal flaw. It does not say "month" in the verse, but "new moon" which he interprets as the Feast of Trumpets without being able to prove it.

 

He does the same technique over and over again which is why any teaching in the prophecy series is temporary. It does not have tangible truth as a foundation.

 

Month = New Moon = Trumpets = Dave is right yet again. Take that, you enemies of God!

 

He even piles this concept on in Matthew 24:22.

 

@ 36:40 So if you cut short the days, you shorten, you dock off the days, you had to have some baseline and that baseline has to be “the month.” If it’s something else, what is it? Where is it?

 

This is another one of those David C. Pack logic proofs that prove nothing. He has used this way of thinking to create prophetic doctrine inside The Restored Church of God before. What else could it be?

 

Maybe if they allowed voting in RCG, the folks in the audience could raise their hands and suggest ideas. There was a long pause and silence at that moment. Maybe he was waiting for an answer. David C. Pack loves when lay members give him ideas on how to interpret the scriptures.

 

It was at this point in the message that he finally moved on to other topics.

 

Due to the nature of the remaining content, Part 2 will cover more.


Marc Cebrian


See: Lost in Space (Part 1)

Sunday, August 28, 2022

Rod Meredith's Youngest Son Dies



Rod Meredith's youngest son (from his second marriage) David, 

died yesterday at the age of 43 of a heart attack.

Saturday, August 27, 2022

King Gerald Tells Students To Be Ready To "Fight To The Death"



The Philadelphia Church of God, under the mighty hand of King Gerald, continues down the path of doing everything they can to talk about anyone but Jesus.

PCG and Flurry have been waxing eloquently about Queen Elizabeth, Winston Churchill, and other notable people from history over the past couple of years. Lil'Stevie is holding book groups to discuss these people. They are currently focused upon Abraham Lincoln as a sign of spiritual virtue. Jesus be damned. He is not worthy to be mentioned much in the PCG other than that he is ANGRY and keeps delaying his return. Petra forbid, if PCG ever openly discussed the dude.

King Gerald recently told his students that they need to be ready to fight to the death and must have a grand strategy. One of the reasons Flurry reads these books is to inspire his students and members to be people of passion and who will sitck to the task at hand, as many of his famous notables have/had.

Couple this drive and zeal along with King Gerlad's biblical interpretations and you have a nightmare in the making.

COG youth at the various church "colleges" and "educational" facilities have been subjected from the early days of present church history with one absurd tale after another as a result of false prophetic understanding. These crazy premonitions and blatant lies have been mentally and spiritually damaging to those young people, but the COGs do not care.

August 22, 2022

GF continues to talk strange, but really it is foolish, which is nothing new for him. The August 19 Friday Philadelphian, says that at the HWAC orientation, GF gave a lecture about “lessons from Abraham Lincoln” (this was to add to his presumptuous sermon he gave in May about Abraham Lincoln. To read about that sermon scroll up to the May 22 letter on this page: “GF’s Presumptions About Abraham Lincoln.”) At the orientation he told the students “they must be willing to fight to the death and must have a grand strategy.” [all bolding mine] Now why on earth would students be told to “fight to the death”? That kind of talk is more likely what the adult members would be told as they are often instructed to stick it out in PCG, or else they will die spiritually. An emphasis was placed on “going on the offensive in spiritual warfare.” This college is certainly not Christ-centered, but it is undeniably fear-centered. –FL Exit and Support Network

 

Astounding LCG Growth In Canada! The WORK Marches Onward and Upward!!!!!

JC always has to get in the way of LCG


It is interesting to watch as various Churches of God march forth proclaiming their law-gospel to the world. The Living Church of God does an outstanding job of this. It is such an effective ministry that it now has 878 people attending church, out of a population of over 38 million throughout Canada. In their usual slick way, LCG plays with numbers as they claim 50% of their recent baptisms had no Worldwide Church of God affiliation.

50% increase from what number? 5? 10? 30? 50? 

Mr. Stuart Wachowicz led a conference for ministers and their wives in Canada this past Monday and Tuesday. This was the first time they were able to meet in person since the beginning of lockdowns. Forty were present in person at the new Living Church of God offices in London, Ontario, and another nine participated online, including Dr. Winnail and me, due to cross-border travel restrictions. Average attendance in Canada now stands at 878. That is up from 352 in 2001; and 50 percent of those baptized since 2005 have come to the Church with no Worldwide affiliation. This demonstrates that the Work of the Church to preach the Gospel to all the world continues.—Gerald Weston

Weston brags about the 40 people who showed up in New London, Ontario, out of a population of 515,000 people. Of that 40 number, at least 30 or more were LCG members. 

Nevertheless, the law-gospel must go forth in power! But, Jesus always seems to get in the way of LCG's law message to the world or is missing. Perhaps that's the reason no one is really interested in LCG's message. 

As an aside to the astounding church growth in Canada, the United States is leaping forward in amazing ways through the presentations that LCG leaders do in various cities.

Their latest mind-boggling impact this past week, out of a population of over 3,608,455 people, was 98 "guests" with at least 3/4 or more of that amount being LCG members padding the hall, who showed up for these presentations.

St. Louis, Missouri metro population 2,807,338
Cookeville, Tennessee 33,922
Blue Ridge, Georgia. 1,245
Springfield; Illinois 205,950 

and even a presentation in the Israelitish nation of Australia  

Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia. 560,000

Truly, this is the most awesome COG since the improperly named "continuing" Church of "god" was dreamed into being! The Work marches forth in power and majesty! 

Friday, August 26, 2022

Doug Winnail Claims The World Lacks Vision…What About LCG's Lack of Vision?


 

It is pretty hard to listen to a Church of God claim the world lacks vision when the entire COG lacks vision as it flounders around doing nothing except birth one crazy self-appointed prophet after another.

Decades and decades ago the church had a vision that was propped up by Herbert Armstrong's dynamic voice and vision. Then the epic prophetic failure of 1975 disrupted the church and downhill it went after that point, The vision was gone. Oh, yes, the church thought new buildings and exotic campuses portrayed a vision of a world to come, but the vision for church members started dying in 1975. The final nail was driven in that coffin when in 1986 when Herbert Armstrong died. Today in 2022, matter how hard any of them claim they are trying, they have no vision anymore and thus rejoice when one or two new people enter the fold. 


The Importance of Vision: In Proverbs 29:18 we read, “Where there is no vision, the people perish” (KJV) or “Where there is no revelation, the people cast off restraint; but happy is he who keeps the law” (NKJV). Vision is the capacity to see the real future. That future is found in the Bible—the revelation of God. The biblical vision is the Gospel, the good news of the coming Kingdom of God (Mark 1:14) and the ultimate purpose of human existence—gaining eternal life and reigning with Jesus Christ in the Kingdom (Matthew 19:28–29) to bring peace, justice, and prosperity to the peoples of the world (Isaiah 9:6–7). Today, that exciting vision of the future has been lost or forgotten or never heard by most people on earth. As a result, many have no sense of purpose other than “doing their own thing” (Judges 21:25). The Sabbath is a good time to thank God for revealing to His people this exciting vision of the future and of His way of life that is a mystery to the world today (Matthew 13:10–17; Mark 4:11).
Have a profitable Sabbath, Douglas S. Winnail

Ex-WCG Member Asks Crackpot Prophet Which Is The Right Church To Go To


 



Our most favorite self-appointed Church of God leader in the history of the COG movement, so important that he was foreordained by God before he started forming the foundations of the earth so that he could rise up in these perilous end times as the one true faithful COG leader the church would need in order to know when to flee to Petra, or Pella, or wherever his creature intends to hide a few hundred Christians in the midst of an Islamic nation, is back with a recycled message attempting to prove when his small cult is the only true place a "real" Christian should be attending.

The end time Amos, Elisha, Bwana Thiel writes:

A while back, I received an email from a former Worldwide Church of God member that included the following:

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SOME ISSUES OF MR. …. BELIEF AND APPARENTLY YOU DON’T AGREE WITH. I DON’T THINK THAT ANY OF THESE CHURCHES AGREE WITH OTHER SO WHO DO YOU GO WITH? …

SOME OF GERALD FLURRY’S TEACHINGS ARE COMPLETELY WRONG AND HE’S GONE FAR OUT ON SOME THINGS SUCH AS ARMSTRONG’S STONE REPLACING JACOB’S. MANY, MANY PLACES IN THE BIBLE STATES THAT CHRIST IS THAT ROCK AND IT’S SPIRITUAL. CHRIST DOESN’T NEED A ROCK. FLURRY BASED HIS THEORY ON THE IDEA THAT COME KIDS STOLE JACOB’S ROCK FROM ENGLAND. THAT’S AMAZING SINCE IT WEIGHS OVER 350 LBS. I’VE READ OTHER LITERATURE THAT THE STONE IS STORED IN SCOTLAND.FALSE PREACHER #1

I SAW A DAVID PACK SERMON ON THE INTERNET ABOUT THE 2 WITNESSES . HE SAID THAT THEY ARE IN HIS CHURCH RIGHT NOW. I BELIEVE HE’S NOW PULLED THAT SERMON BECAUSE I COULDKN’T FIND IT NOW. FALSE PREACHER #2

I SAW A SERMON BY THE LIVING CHURCH OF GOD ABOUT THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND THE PRESENTER SAID WITHOUT HESITATION THAT THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS SUNDAY WORSHIP. PERIOD.. HE MADE NO MENTION OF ANY MARKS ON YOUR BODY OR 666. SABBATH MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT THERE WILL BE OTHER FACTORS. YOU LEFT BECAUSE OF DOCTRINE. I’LL ????????? ….

NOW I COME TO … A FALSE TEACHER …

YOU SEE HOW A PERSON COULD BE DECEIVED?

PLEASE ADVISE

After months and months of running off at the mouth and publicly scolding Rod Meredith and the Living Church of God for IGNORING his demands to change doctrines and church teachings, Rod Meredith had enough and kicked Thiel's immature little butt out of the church in a stinging rebuke during a church service.

Immediately, martyrdom set in with the Great Bwana and the excuses start flowing faster than the water trickling out the garden hose in his backyard was doing.  With hands and arms flailing about as he bounced in his chair proclaiming his right to restore the truth once delivered. 

The Great Bwana responded to the above "person":

Anyway, here is what I responded to the former WCG member with:

Dear …:

As I have repeatedly written at COGwriter, I doubt that David Pack or Gerald Flurry are converted.

I consider that the only COG that is Philadelphian is the CCOG–though not all in CCOG are Philadelphian and there are Philadelphians not in CCOG–but no other COG represents the continuation of Philadelphia.

You should use God’s criteria, and none other to decide.

Here are two links (redacted) you should read and pray about if you are truly serious:

    1. How does the Continuing Church of God differ from other Sabbatarian COG groups?
    2. Does the CCOG have the confirmed signs of Acts 2:17-18?

But most refuse to believe and use their own standards.

Best regards,

Bob Thiel

The Great Bwana does not like anyone who use their critical thinking to discern whether it is right or not. Those that see through his lies are apparently operating on a different unconverted standard than he is. Only someone as perfect as the great Bwana can discern the truth.

Many have been confused and used the wrong criteria to assess churches.

Sadly, in the end time, in Revelation 3:14-19 Jesus revealed that even most real Christians would use their criteria, not God’s as they would be part of the “people decide” churches (which is basically what Laodicea means).

Nothing infuriates a self-appointed self-righteous COG minister or leader more than when lay members do not follow them. 

The Great Bwana continues with another "letter" from this "ex-WCG " person:

A BETTER JOB IN BEING A WATCHMAN. THIS IS THE 1ST TIME IN 25 YEARS THAT THEY STARTED TO WAKE UP ON PROPHECY.

My response to the above was to tell him that the COG he attends as well as a group that came out of it do not teach much about prophecy. They also have a lot of prophetic errors. 

No lay member of the COG movement should be following ANY COG leaders who place the emphasis upon prophecy. In Armstrongism the pathway of prophecy is littered with hundreds of thousands of utter lies and half-truths. The debris on that path makes it impossible to walk towards any real faith. Every single COG leader has been proven to be a liar when it comes to prophecy.

You are free to watch the Great Bwana's animation of himself telling another cartoon character how to find a true church. One guess as to which church he is recommending. Unless you belong to this church your salvation is at risk.

Thursday, August 25, 2022

Did Dave Pack Just Apologize For Setting Dates????



David C. Pack Declares Himself Even More UnProphet-able

 

I admit that the article published yesterday was not my best work.

 

Part 388 was boredom-rich, so I cut out half of the article because I realized, “He’s repeating the same garbage he always does.”

 

You know you have hit rock bottom when even a staunch critic shrugs off most of 78 minutes.

 

Well, David C. Pack must have bugged my apartment because Part 389 of “The Greatest Unending Story!” did not disappoint. He brought the juice and it is so worth the squeeze.

 

It was a breath of fresh air that I was so fascinated with, I had to listen to the first 11 minutes twice. Join me on this rewarding journey as we examine “biblical distortion” on a whole new level.

 

 

Spoiler Alert: David C. Pack apologizes for setting dates during the last seven minutes.

 

 

Establishing a specific concept is necessary to address how David C. Pack spends the first 20 minutes of Part 389 in the Gospel of Luke to make one point.

 

The enablers on the third floor know what I am about to write is of no lie and of no distortion. Many former ministers have their own tales to tell to confirm this.

 

David C. Pack has the most astonishing piss-poor reading comprehension skills of any human being I have ever heard.

 

That is not an opinion or an exaggeration. It is a hard, cold fact of history.

 

The Enabler-in-Chief, Stepford Prime, Dr. Feelbad, Chicago Heavy, and the rest of the defeated “ministers” at Headquarters can only shrug and say, “That is true…” Do not believe me? Ask them.

 

Dave has a preternatural ability to read something and fully misunderstand it. Perhaps hitting that car windshield when he was a kid did more permanent damage than he realizes.

 

So much of this endless prophecy series is based on reading a verse in the Bible and fully not getting the point. I sat in the Main Hall and marveled when Dave would read something and get it so terribly wrong. So obviously terribly wrong.

 

If he were ever tested by a clinician, his entire world would collapse in on itself. Talk about a cascade of mental failure.

 

Here are just two examples from the Old Testament.

 

“I’m rushing to call it out” is one of Dave’s favorite repeated phrases. He has built an entire prophetic theology propped up by a pathological reading comprehension deficit.

 

Habakkuk 2:2.

And the LORD answered me, and said,  Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that  he may run that readeth it.

 

Note the keyword "that" between "make plain" and "he may run" – this is a qualifier and it is there in the Hebrew. Removing words from the verse corrupts the meaning. That is a classic Dave Pack move.

 

(H4616) ma’an

“properly heed, that is, purpose; used only adverbially, on account of (as a motive or an aim), teleologically in order that: - because of, to the end (intent) that”

 

Do this SO THAT this may happen. Dave always leaves the word "that" and it's meaning out of his mental equation. He often explains that he is “rushing” AND “making it plain” when the verse proves it is talking about two separate people.

 

Habakkuk writes the vision upon a tablet. Someone else reads it while rushing past the tablet.

 

The Dave interpretation is, “I’m making it plain and rushing to call it out.”

 

The real interpretation is, "Make it so simple, Habakkuk, that someone else running past it can read it."

 

Which is more plausible and fits the entire context of the verses around it?

 

Option A) David C. Pack is a type of Habakkuk that is being instructed by God to “rush calling out a vision” only to the members of the Restored Church of God just before the return of Jesus Christ who cannot return until His message is finished but Dave can never tell when exactly the vision is complete so he has to keep adding parts to the series he thought was over the day before.

 

Or

 

Option B) Habakkuk was to write down the message God gave from His lips to his ears making it so simple that someone rushing past it can understand it without stopping.

 

An entire pillar of Dave’s prophetic specialness is built on re-interpreting one vivid passage of how simple God wants His prophet Habakkuk to make something known.

 

This has bugged me for years. The more Dave repeats his misunderstanding, the more "factual" it has become inside RCG and the more "habitual" it is for the brethren and "ministers" to just accept it.

 

One other inset of an obvious biblical misreading that Dave will quote from time to time comes to us via 1 Samuel.

 

1 Samuel 2:35

And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do  according to that which is in mine heart  and in my mind:  and I will build him a sure house;  and he shall walk  before mine anointed or ever.

 

The first time Dave corrupted this verse to mean it was talking about Elijah (rather, talking about himself as Elijah), my chest burned with disgust. Each time after that, it was a prick of irritation.

 

"Obviously, that's Elijah," he said one day. And that was it. "Who else would it be?" I wanted to leap out of my chair and shout, "Samuel! God is about to introduce Samuel! Samuel the prophet. Samuel the priest. In the Book of Samuel.”

 

Yes, Dave did give more “proof” than that but it was all circular logic rather than solid Bible evidence.

 

“That’s Elijah,” would pop out of his mouth from time to time and just move on with the assumption he proved it to the church by simply stating it. True Christian doctrine is not built that way.

 

This verse was no prophecy for an end-time figure to fulfill. God was letting Eli know that his two sons would die because they disgraced the office of priest in the temple (1 Samuel 2:34) and that after them, a man would be raised to be “a faithful priest.”

 

Not David C. Pack as Elijah, but Samuel. Need proof? Two verses later, we read this:

 

1 Samuel 3:1 

And the child Samuel ministered unto the LORD before  Eli.

 

The rest of the book goes on to show Samuel as “a faithful priest” as God told Eli would happen.

 

That is all for now or we would be here all day. I could write my own booklet giving examples of how David C. Pack misreads a verse and then presents it in a way to fit his current narrative. Once he thinks it is talking about him, he will repeat it as a fact for years on end.

 

But since I am not a complete jerk-face and I do not hate David C. Pack personally, I am going to recommend he visit the EnglishMatic website which has some great Reading Comprehension Tests for him to practice with.

 

After he passes the 8th Grade test, then maybe he can get his Bible back. Maybe.

 


Dave has built a prophetic career on misreading verses that build to a false narrative.

 

He just did this in a spectacular fashion with Part 387. Leviticus 26:18 “…I will punish you seven times more for your sins” in Dave-speak meant, “I will punish you one week for your sins.” Even he walked that one back pretty quickly. But the fact he did it at all makes the point.

 

Why is the Series going on for so long?

Why is Mr. Pack saying “The Mystery of God” is over when it never is?

Why is Mr. Pack always changing his teachings?

Why is prophecy so confusing for the past few years?

Why are the dates he tells us of Christ’s return coming and going without it happening?

 

So many questions inside The Restored Church of God can be answered with a single statement.

 

David C. Pack has the most astonishing piss-poor reading comprehension skills of any human being I have ever heard.

 

This lengthy foundation was necessary to fully appreciate the first “bombshell” Dave presents in Part 389 that Jesus Christ was not born in the fall. It is all rubbish. It is a figment of Dave’s imagination. It is wrong and he is wrong for doing it.

 

 

The opening of the message was clipped, but from what we could hear, rcg.org was under some type of cyber attack keeping Bradford G. Schleifer from attending. I could imagine him spending 10-minutes to solve the problem and enjoying the rest of the 47-minutes being productive in his office.

 

Brad needs to steal as much "downtime" away from Dave as possible in order to keep his sanity.

 

@ 00:55 I wanna give you a remarkable story. Kind of a bonus story and truth that no one has known until now. You’ll be the first people to understand it. We’re gonna read carefully through much of Luke 1.

 

While going through all of Luke 1, Dave teaches the members of RCG something they have known since the time of Herbert W. Armstrong but presents the information as if it is a new discovery “just in time” before the return of Jesus Christ.

 

We already knew Mary was pregnant when she visited Elisabeth.

 

He also educates the church that life begins at conception! Catholics everywhere just dropped their tea.

 

Hurry up and visit the Questions and Answers section (https://rcg.org/questions/p002.a.html) about Christ’s birth before they purge it for being heresy. The last paragraph is key.




It is as if a veil of ignorance has fallen upon David C. Pack starting in 2015 in which he can no longer remember what everyone in the church already knew and his “ministers” were too embarrassed to point that out.

 

Is this phenomenon of God or a childhood head injury or both?

 

Dave wants to prove how Jesus Christ was not born in the fall, but in the spring. This would further validate Elul 1 as being the beginning of the Kingdom of God with the Day of the Lord starting on the Feast of Trumpets 30 days later.

 

Luke 1:24 “…Elisabeth conceived and hid herself five months…”

Luke 1:26 “And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God…”

Luke 1:36 “…and this is the sixth month with her,  who was called barren.”

Luke 1:56 “And Mary abode with her about three months…”

Luke 1:57 “Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son.”

 

@ 06:42 So, hidden five months, this is the sixth month. Because in this sixth month, He came. So, we’re in the sixth month meaning we’re saying twice we’re in Elul.

 

He re-interprets the scriptures in Luke 1 noting the pregnancy of Elisabeth, John the Baptist’s mother, as proof by taking the months mentioned to be from the Hebrew calendar and not from the pregnancy gestation period.

 

Because Dave is so busy “rushing” he does not take the time to read the verses carefully and avoid all the future blushing that will occur when he moonwalks this teaching later.

 

Taking another look at Luke 1, we can apply some of the 12 Rules of Bible Study.

 

3) Prove All Things

6) Examine The Context

8) The Bible Interprets Itself

 

“Elisabeth conceived and hid herself five months (Not in the fifth month of Av, but a duration)

“And in the sixth month” (Established in :24 as “conception” months confirmed in :36)

“the sixth month with her” (“with her” proves it is a month as her being the fulcrum)

“Mary abode with her about three months” “Elisabeth’s full time came

 

A conception. A newly-pregnant Mary visits Elisabeth who is six months pregnant. Nine months are accounted for. John the Baptist is born. No mention of Av or Elul. End of story.

 

The first 20 minutes of this message is all about Jesus Christ being conceived on Elul 1 using a misunderstanding of what “months” were being referred to in Luke 1:24, :26, :36, :56-57.

 

@ 09:36 But what Gabriel prophesied about Christ sitting on David’s throne which we just happen to know will happen for the first time on Elul 1. Curiously, really near when He was conceived. Now this will grow more important. Possibly, the very same day He was conceived. Watch this.

 

Note the circular logic. The point is a fact because it needs to be a fact to make the point.

 

@ 14:10 When would Christ have been born? If He was conceived on Elul 1 or thereabouts. Maybe exactly. Maybe thereabouts. Then He would’ve been born on Sivan 1 before Pentecost. It’s impossible to argue with this math.

 

Here is how to argue with this math. It is not a nine-month count that is in dispute, but how the question is formed. I think we have sufficiently beat that reading comprehension horse to death by now.

 

But in case Dave reads this article, I want to “make plain” that the Luke 1 verses describing the birth of John the Baptist have mention of the months of pregnancy gestation, not Hebrew months on a calendar.

 

For anyone interested in the topic of Bible Study, I recommend The World to Come “The 12 Rules of Bible Study” Part 1and Part 2. I worked on these videos and still think they are doctrinally sound.

 

It is ironic that the man presenting the material no longer obeys these rules himself because if he had, everyone inside The Restored Church of God could have been spared years of confusion and heresy.

 

@ 14:44 It’s impossible. He had to be born in the spring. Now, you can sort of do the math. Had to be born in the spring. So, He was conceived around Elul 1. That’s inarguable. Therefore, He was born just before Pentecost near Sivan 1.

 

Dave takes the assumption ball and runs up the field full-steam with it. In the wrong direction. Repeating a statement makes it fact.

 

A craftsman who has a ruler, level, and measuring tape can still really botch things if he does not know what he is doing. He can do all the math correctly but the measurements can still be wrong.

 

Dave's biblical measurements are all wrong. I guarantee you this "Christ was born in the spring" will have the shelf life of a carton of eggs. I advise Ed to not start rewriting the literature just yet. Maybe put that on your "long-term” to-do list and tackle it after Trumpets.

 

He then uses his “new” information that God considers you a person at conception by taking a shot at birthday-keeping. WCG and RCG have both strained so hard at making this celebration demonic.

 

Dave makes a point that God counts our age from conception and not birth, so therefore why even bother to celebrate a birthday when God says that is an invalid number by nine months?

 

It is called a “birth day” not a “conception day,” Dave. God may consider someone a full person at conception, but human beings rejoice when they come out of the womb.

 

And he just admitted that the Bible and the concept of birthdays have nothing to do with each other. Maybe RCG should consider birthdays like they do Thanksgiving. A non-religious tradition celebrating the thankfulness of life. But only an antichrist serpent would think such a thing.

 

The birthday-conception point does not go to waste.

 

@ 19:08 This becomes yet another indicator of Elul for Christ’s Kingdom and a validator of Trumpets a month later.

 

Dave is going to need a beefy supply of anti-depressants on September 27, which is the day after Trumpets when nothing special except "Special Music" happens here in Wadsworth.

 

 

Dear Members of the Headquarters Congregation and Visitors Attending in Wadsworth on The Feast of Trumpets,

 

Please keep an eye on the back of the room to see if Dave remains in his seat for the entire service. He may pull what he did for the First Day of Unleavened Bread in 2020 by not showing up to the A.M. Service at all or like on many Sabbaths he does not speak, he sneaks out the back kitchen door with “key” men after the sermon starts.

 

A stealthy way to do this is to excuse yourself to go to the restroom. A quick glance is all you will need to confirm his presence.

 

Marc

 

P.S. to the “ministers” at Headquarters: Did I just lie or distort?

 

 

Now that the point of Jesus Christ being conceived on Elul 1 was run into the ground, the rest of the message could flow rapidly.

 

@ 22:39 We’re gonna read a series of verses and I’ll show you something we got wrong.

 

Who is the “we” he always refers to? “We” should be fired since “we” always seems to be responsible when Dave gets a teaching wrong. It appears that “we” is a bigger pain than I am. Maybe “we” should be demoted in rank and sent out into the field as punishment. Yeah…we.

 

Skipping forward. Galatians 1:3-4 does actually mean the “evil days” are now and not in some future Kingdom that has been taught with glasses on the table for months.

 

Bible verses are like Legos to him. He picks the colors and shapes he wants. He fits them together in whatever way he wants. He has the uncanny ability to take an entire box, dump it on the floor, use every single piece, and still manages to make absolutely nothing.

 

In a couple of hours, he tears the whole thing apart, puts them back in the crate, and hides it under his bed until the next time. That is how Dave uses the Bible.

 

@ 34:31 We’ve endured for almost two dozen years beatings by evil people who’ve done everything in their power to destroy this Work. Like this whoever this enemy is who's upstairs keeping Mr. Schleifer from being with us. That good man of God who can’t rest partly because, you know, we lost key employees who, when they left, knew it was their own attack on the Work. A husband-wife team.

 

If you resign from RCG peacefully for prayerful reasons, it will be perceived as an attack. So says the loving servant of God.

 

Take that as a note for anyone else who ever leaves a “key” position inside RCG. You better pray you are expendable or you may be referenced during one of Dave’s future tirades.

 

We finally get a new Elijah teaching to move us into the next era of understanding.

 

@ 37:29 Elijah is a title, brethren.

@ 37:56 …because he speaks God’s words.

@ 38:40 So, I want to remove the Mystery of what it means to be Elijah.

 

This will be more handily addressed in a future article. How this new teaching “settles in” will say much about the longevity of the announcement.

 

@ 40:12 We now know that the saints back down through history, right up to those alive today who failed and fell away, they went back to the world, maybe they beat us and went back to the world. They have to be put to death on Day One. They cannot be allowed to enter the Kingdom of God.

@ 40:48 That's why when Christ is gone a long time, He says, "Bring back bring in front of Me those who say, 'We won't have Him reign over us,' and kill 'em right here now."

@ 41:27 Once you have the kingdom of God outta the gate, you cannot let a single wicked saint in. You look at those the evil saints who beat us, here's what God says. Evil means kakos, k-a-k-o-s. And it means, "depraved and injurious." That's what God says of the people who beat us. They're injurious, depraved, people who went back to the world, and it can also mean "useless." They're useless to God. So I wanted that to be clear.

 

I want that to be clear, as well.



I wonder who exactly the “evil saints” and “wicked saints” are that he is referring to. Dave is yet again being coy about identifying such people during his rants.

 

The concept of “evil saints” and “wicked saints” never made sense to me while attending RCG. It is not in the Bible. If I recalled the message when Dave coined that term, I am certain I could poke holes in it. But that is speculation.

 

 

The last six and half minutes are pretty interesting. I recommend you listen to the whole thing. At double speed, of course. Let's not be unreasonable.



Part 389 – I’m Sorry

@ 50:31 Now, let’s stop for a moment ‘cause I wanna tell you something else I learned. And it’s given me a peace that only I know…it’s a joy that no man intermeddles with. A personal peace and I’d like to explain it to you. The three Kingdom picture anchored around Trumpets is immutable.

 

I looked the word up to be sure I understood it correctly.

 

immutable

“unchanging over time or unable to be changed”

 

If I have not proven it is very mutable, then I have failed at my primary task. You tell me in the comments.

 

@ 50:54 I would die before I would give up that truth.

 

I think he might be serious this time. Unlike when he was being wishy-washy before.

 

Part 379 – June 25, 2022

@ 18:34 I believe that [Tammuz 1] no less certainly than I believe the seventh day is the Sabbath. That is not one whit stronger belief to me than what we just discovered or that tithing is ten percent or that the Feast is commanded or the Law is in effect. Those are no more certain to me than understanding this Month.

 

Since Dave did not go back to the Presbyterian church for a Sunday Service before some pork chops and football, I imagine he was only being colorful with his “certainty” rather than being literal.

 

Rule of thumb: Do not take him at his word. The conviction of his statements fade over time. I have pages and pages worth of quotes to prove this to a court of law if that day ever came.

 

It is rude to interrupt an apostle when he is being open and honest with the church. Picking up where we left off.

 

@ 50:54 I would die before I would give up that truth. There is no question the Prophetic Kingdom Solar System we have built is right.

 

Even if you keep your receipt, there is no refund for that play set when it breaks in about 33-ish more days. You have been warned.

 

@ 51:10 …my God-appointed task was to end the Mystery of God not, and this took me a long time to understand and I wish I’d seen it before, not to declare the year that God chooses.

 

Did he just Mike Myers himself? Or did he not-not himself? Like in algebra when two negatives make a positive. Now I’m just being sophomoric.

 

Okay, his statement is not quite bailing out of the airplane while mid-flight, but it certainly is putting on your parachute pack while sitting next to the door with your eyes on the handle.

 

@ 51:41 I am not here to declare that the Lord Jesus Christ will come this weekend. It is not my assignment and I never understood it and lemme prove it to you.

 

Sold. No math or list or proofs needed, Dave. We are ALL on board with this one. It is nothing short of a miracle that this concept could penetrate the collagen and so many more layers of calcium phosphate.

 

This is big RCG news, folks. For real.

 

@ 51:49 First, my job is to explain the Mystery of God. Think for a moment, per Revelation 10. “Prophesy again” once the Kingdom comes would certainly not mean to say the date again.

@ 52:41 Therefore, if you’re gonna say the same thing again…it looks like he didn’t say the date the first time either and I won’t do it. And I’m sorry that I ever did. My job is to “make plain,” according to Habakkuk, “the vision of the Kingdom of God.”

 

Whoa. That is not the same-old, same-old. But yet blended in with some same-old, same-old.

 

@ 53:47 But it’s not my job to say it is this year. My job is to eliminate the Mystery of God and let God pick His year. Speaking personally, at the very end, you now know this is it has to be the end of the series. No possible way to go on. There’s no time.

 

I would have liked to have shot my hand straight up in the air and asked, "Mr. Pack? You said you cannot declare it is this year and yet you just said there is no more time for the series to go on. Which is it?”

 

This is why the members of The Restored Church of God are so confused. In one paragraph, Dave starts by saying he will not declare it is this year, but then four sentences later, says there is no time. Yeah, which is it? Is this a change of doctrine or is it not a change of doctrine? Riding the line between both is unfair and confusing. Take a stand, bro.

 

@ 54:09 …the men who are close to me know I had an extreme almost just I couldn’t abide the discomfort of having to stand up and declare the year. It’s not my job. My job is to tell you what’s gonna happen. I fell into what Mr. Armstrong did and what the apostles did. You know you want it to be now. You want it to be here or there.

 

Which of the enablers at Headquarters shoved Dave’s notes into his hands and pushed on his back to force him to the front of the room to set all the dates that he has?

 

Maybe it was that bastard “we” who caused all those other problems.

 

@ 54:54 No wonder I was never able to get the year right.

 

Well…the last 388 parts of the series did kinda do a little tiny bit more than just “get the year” wrong. But I do not want to kick a man when he is down, especially when he is admitting he was wrong all along.

 

That is a huge crack in the prophetic facade. Is this Dave 3.0 we are starting to get a glimpse of?

 

@ 56:35 And I know I’m done. Now, Godspeed this weekend. I can’t imagine even one more year. But the only way this weekend passes is if this is not the year. In a couple three days, God will tell us if it’s the year. Good night.

 

No snarky comment here.

 

This is the most contrite I have ever seen David C. Pack be. Maybe he finally gets it. Maybe this will be the beginning of The Restored Church of God returning to what really matters in the Bible and declaring the Gospel of the Kingdom of God once again.

 

This is the most hopeful turn of events in RCG since the 2015 double-whammy of prophetic fraud.

 

If anyone asks me if I think he is being sincere, I say, “Yes.” I heard his words and for the record, I believe him. It has been my hope and prayer for years that God would open his eyes to what he has become and what he is teaching.

 

He is not fully there yet, but it is a huge step in the right direction.

 

The last few lines of the third Matrix movie come to mind:

 

“How long do you think this peace will last?”

“As long as it can.”

 

Let the peace in RCG last as long as it can.

 

David C. Pack should now go take his wife on a real vacation.


Marc Cebrian


See:  David C. Pack Declares Himself Even More UnProphet-able