Dave Pack: Talking Until It’s True

Talking Until It’s True

 

Nobody on the face of the earth has a more dysfunctional relationship with the Holy Days than David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God. Throughout the year, he fixates on a Holy Day and talks the brethren into a coma with his electrifying reasons for this, that, and the other malarkey. He marvels at his own cleverness in coming up with a new catchphrase or analogy that becomes as short-lived as his empty promises.

 

As of “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 464)” on August 26, 2023, the Feast of Trumpets has again caught his eye. All she had to do was gyrate in a tight sweater, and poor Feast of Tabernacles got ghosted, left to wonder why she was not pretty enough. Dave likes ‘em stacked, honey.

 

Everyone except Dave knows this relationship is temporary. But hey, maybe things will be better this time around. After all, both have matured over the last year and had more life experience to gain wisdom to avoid the pitfalls of the past. Rumor has it they already hooked up, and nobody at Headquarters has the heart to tell him love is not better the fifth time around.

 

David C. Pack is now the Studmeister General of The Hit-It-N-Quit-It Church of Another god.

 

 

I am an unordained non-prophet/non-psychic, but you may doubt me. In the article, Mind The Gap, I wrote this before I listened to Part 464:

 

By introducing the new phrase "Initial Kingdom of God," he can save face by manipulating language for when he later shifts the First Kingdom timeline or adds back in a fourth iteration. Flip a coin to figure out which.

 

The coin landed on the edge and stayed put. Dave changed the timeline AND added a Fourth Kingdom back into the mix.

 

Part 464 was the polar opposite of the week before. Instead of padding and stalling, he made significant changes to the prophetic landscape.

 

•  The Kingdom of God does NOT arrive on the Feast of Tabernacles.

•  The Feast of Ingathering is Trumpets, not Tabernacles.

•  He returned to a four-measure Kingdom of God.

•  The identity/timing of the First Kingdom is a cliffhanger for Part 465.

•  The Feast of Trumpets is the Second Kingdom.

•  The Last Days began on Trumpets in 2015, not Tabernacles.

•  His inarguable “Golden Document” lays out the Day of the Lord.

 

David C. Pack can make gigantic changes in only 86 minutes because he has mastered the Bible-teaching technique known as "Just keep talking until it becomes true." Quoting the Bible is optional but enhances the illusion of authenticity.

 

Talking until it's true proved quite effective when he spent 100+ minutes declaring Russian President Vladimir Putin was the Sixth King of Revelation 17 but then wiggled out of it in a record 57 seconds.

 

The 1335 of Daniel is no stranger to this approach. Each time it started, stopped, moved, restarted, restopped, and moved again was all thanks to the patronizing efforts of one who knows how to keep talking until it becomes true.

 

 

Part 464 – August 26, 2023

@ 08:28 So, let’s talk a little bit more about Trumpets. Since we closed with trumpets have blown before. I hinted at something last week, and I wanna get back to it.

 

At this point, eyes rolled across the globe in The Restored Church of God. An international "Oh, here we go again,” thought in pure unison was so perfectly tuned that it almost became audible to dogs. It is time to dust off the old Trumpets “Kingdom Solar System” stored in a box in the garage.

 

@ 08:38 Let’s start asking some questions. I began to be troubled by something that the church taught. And I learned some things about it that have caused me to kind of reverse track, and I want you to understand what I learned.

 

“Kind of” reverse? Why members do not stand up and walk out for good could be studied by mental health experts for decades.

 

@ 8:54 The church always taught that the Feast of Ingathering was the Feast of Tabernacles…Is that true? Is the Feast of Tabernacles the Feast of Ingathering?

 

You can always tell where Dave is going by how he leads the question.

 

@ 10:04 Does the Bible actually say the Feast of Ingathering is Tabernacles? Or does it say it is Trumpets? And careful reading discerns that.

 

David C. Pack is NOT your guy when “careful reading” is required. His piss-poor reading comprehension skills are legendary and well-documented.

 

Spoiler Alert: The Bible never says it is Trumpets. He says that. Which then makes it true.

 

Dave has an awful track record for mucking up prophecy so bad his own church has to remove content from its websites. Brethren can have fun in Member Services counting how many "Greatest Untold Story" Parts have gone missing since the last time they looked.

 

@ 11:07 That began to weigh on me. Do we have something wrong here? Are WE under the impression that we’re waiting for the Feast of Tabernacles for the Kingdom of God when it is Trumpets? So, I began to look more deeply at it.

 

“Are WE under the impression?” Are you kidding, Dave? That was no impression. That was Part 461. The Kingdom of God arriving “at the split-second” of the Feast of Tabernacles next month was the official Restored Church of God doctrine. Like all other understanding in that organization, it comes and goes based on David C. Pack’s say so.

 

After this, Dave began using circular logic, assumptions, and presumptions to make a case that “the Feast of Ingathering” is Trumpets and NOT the Feast of Tabernacles.

 

This first question-as-a-point is a prime example of much of the Part 464 content.

 

@ 11:27 Would God put Trumpets and Atonement at the back end of one year and the Feast of Tabernacles just days apart at the start of another year? That would be a strange thing to do.

 

Totally strange. People have been troubled for centuries accepting Christmas just before New Year’s.

 

Throughout Part 464, Bible verses are slathered with the mortar of Dave’s confirmation bias. He talks and talks and talks until it all becomes true, regardless of what the Bible says.

 

 

Once David C. Pack “sees” something in the Scriptures a certain way, even an oracle from Gabriel could not dissuade him.

 

@ 15:27 …and I haven’t even gotten into the things that will explain how the church never had the Feast of Ingathering correct.

 

How many more Worldwide Church of God teachings must be dismantled before Dave finally abandons it entirely? The way he continually chips away at WCG doctrines, you get the impression the Apostasy was taking place long under the rein of Herbert W. Armstrong, and it did not take Joe Junior and his pepperoni-lusting cohorts to bring it about.

 

Herbert W. Armstrong got so many things so wrong for so long that it seems inevitable that the day will come when Dave finally disregards him fully. That dead “apostle” will eventually become no more than “just some misguided old coot who thought he saw special things in the Bible” until David C. Pack had to come along and clean up his ignorant mess.

 

The one positive thing you can say about HWA and his legacy is that when he had a doctrine, he stuck to it for decades. Dave is known for teachings that cannot endure past supper.

 

@ 15:43 So, let’s just formally state here before we go through all this (and I’ll state it a couple more times), the week WE thought [laughs] the date WE thought we were waiting for just jumped two weeks closer.

 

That is called “spin.” Dave puts a happy face on reversing his own ideas. All this means is that his impending failure will happen two weeks sooner than anticipated. And it will surely fail.

 

@ 15:57 We’ll talk a little later about whether anything happens even in front of Trumpets. That’s a separate question. My purpose now is to thoroughly and completely remove all doubt that the Kingdom of God does come at Trumpets.

 

@ 26:43 The Feast of Ingathering is Trumpets. It has always been Trumpets.

 

Edward L. Winkfield (aka “Stepford Prime”) must be curled in a ball under his desk when he considers even more literature in the dwindling RCG library that will have to change.

@ 1:23:51 The Kingdom comes on Trumpets, and two days later, everybody’s enjoying it.

 

 

David C. Pack keeps talking until it becomes true. Since no clear verses in the Bible make his point, he has to talk around them. Each verse he reads must be explained and explained and over-explained.

 

He cannot let the Bible interpret itself because it was written like an ancient Mad Libs. Dave needs to fill in the blanks with his words so it can say what he needs it to.

 

In this example of Dave using his circular, self-supporting logic, he actually exposes a big hole in his own conclusion. He fills the air with words, trying to defeat the Feast of Tabernacles, but winds up defeating the Feast of Trumpets at the same time.

 

Time to pause the skimming.

 

@ 32:37 It is interesting, is it not, brethren, that when God says Feast of Tabernacles, it means it? He says it. Does He just interchangeably call the Feast of Tabernacles the Feast of Ingathering? Or does He use a different term because they're not the same thing? The Feast of Ingathering is the Feast of Ingathering. The Feast of Tabernacles is seven days. It’s the Feast of Tabernacles. The Feast of Ingathering is a season. The Feast of Tabernacles is seven days. They can’t be the same. They don’t carry the same name.

 

And yet, he is saying the Feast of Ingathering is the Feast to Trumpets. Why does that work and Tabernacles does not? Because Dave says so. He JUST said so.

 

@ 26:43 The Feast of Ingathering is Trumpets. It has always been Trumpets.

 

And the Feast of Trumpets is a single day, not a “season,” either. Seven days does not work, but one day does. See the problem? And this is not the most significant hole Dave has on his hands with this foolishness.

 

Brad would say I am assigning motive here, but based on how Dave presents his Ingathering evidence, I get the distinct impression he knows it is false. The largest “tell” of the night was when he did not have the courage to read all of Deuteronomy 16:16.

 

@ 34:41 “Three times in a year shall all your males appear,” and then it lists the three. It just God just chooses to list it, telling Moses you're gonna do it.

 

That one verse sinks his entire ship, and I think Dave is acutely aware. His talking it into the cornfield afterward is painfully transparent.

 

Examining key verses in Exodus 24 and 32 alongside Deuteronomy 16:16 will be handled in another article. The points are too sharp and too exposing to be missed. The Bible destroys the entire “Ingathering is Trumpets” argument and confirms it is Tabernacles.

 

 

@ 27:38 So, we didn’t carefully discern that the Feast of Ingathering is NOT Tabernacles. It’s a nice concept. It’s not wrong to think that way. It’s certainly when all of the brethren gather. But, this isn’t about the brethren gathering. Feast of Ingathering. It’s about the crops being gathered.

 

David C. Pack will use literal interpretations of verses when he needs to but also explains them as "types" when it is convenient to his current theology. This idea is well-suited when your overarching strategy for unveiling the Mystery of God is to keep talking until it becomes true. You can never lose in that scenario. Well, except when you start setting dates.

 

For David C. Pack's new theory about the Feast of Ingathering to be correct, this is what needs to be believed by the brethren of The Restored Church of God after hearing all of Part 464.

 

·      Exodus 23 and 34 list three holy days in a purposefully wrong order, but Deuteronomy 16:16 lists three holy days in the correct order.

·      Twice, God intentionally deceived Moses by tricking him into recording lists out of order.

·      Twice, God intentionally had verses recorded in Exodus in a “confusing” manner to hide it from all His sheep for thousands of years.

·      Twice, God intentionally gave a list out of order with no biblical solution to prove what Ingathering actually is without a man’s private interpretation to piece it together.

·      If God once deceptively listed something in the Bible, you will never be able to trust if any other list is correct without a man telling you so.

·      For over fifty years, Herbert W. Armstrong did not carefully read and discern the verses on this topic, and all the ministers in WCG were not allowed to see it correctly.

·      God did not allow Herbert W. Armstrong to understand “the Feast of Ingathering” correctly because to know it “too soon” would spoil His plan.

·      The members of The Radio/Worldwide Church of God, throughout their entire existence, never correctly understood the Feast of Trumpets and the Feast of Tabernacles.

·      The Feast of Ingathering is about agriculture in the Old Testament and is not a symbol of how God will gather His people at the culmination of His plan. But it is “okay” if you see it that way.

·      The invisible start of The Last Days in 2015 invisibly moved from the Feast of Tabernacles to the Feast of Trumpets as easily as just saying it makes it so.

 

All those things must be accurate for the Feast of Ingathering to be the Feast of Trumpets, as presented in Part 464.

 

The alternative would be that David C. Pack is just wrong.

 

Consider carefully before you take a coarse file to Occam’s Razor.

 

David C. Pack knows how to fill the air with words without saying very much. He knows how to read the Bible but explain away what it says so it says what he wants. He learned more than he realized from Joe Junior and the Pepperoni Crew.

 

With Part 465 coming this weekend, we can all rest assured the RCG tradition of talking until anything becomes true shall continue.

 

Why are you still putting up with this, brethren?

 

Marc Cebrian:

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PCG: Get A Grip On Your Finances So You Can Give More To Us

Of the many extra-biblical things the church felt they needed to stick their noses into, the big one was how you spend your money. Underneath all the expectations and rules set out by the church and its leaders, the bottom line was that how you managed your money determined how much money you could give to the church. After all, the church n needed your money more than you did.

None is worse at this than the Restored Church of God and its "common" teaching where all you have belongs to Dave and the church. Christ's return is minutes, hours, days, and months away, so why spend money on frivolous things when you can send it all to Dave Pack.

Quickly behind the Restored Church of God is the Philadelphia Church of God and its money expectations members. As membership rapidly drops, income is being affected. OCG recently ran a 2004 article by Wik Herrma, Get a Grip on Your Finances

Let’s face it, most people today struggle with their finances. Under today’s rising costs, many worry and fret over this issue more than any other problem, regardless of how much money they make. Yet this worry robs them of the real happiness and joy God intended man to have. Even among God’s people, financial problems hold an oppressive grip. 

 

Isn’t it time you reversed this trend and got a grip on your finances? 

 

But how do you go about it? Where do you start?

His first point out of the box is materialism, Everyone knows this is a materialistic society. The problem comes into focus when the church feels it needs to blab on about materialism. They see it as the more you buy the less you send into the church. Materialism is not good for members, but for church headquarters and the no-expenses-spared mentality, this does not jive well with struggling members. Lavish campuses, concert halls, fancy homes, fine art, lavish gardens, horses, etc. is like a slap in the face to struggling members. 

Did you know the "obsession" with physical pursuits drains the Holy Spirit at work in you? The more you do the weaker it gets.

Drifting into materialism slackens our dedication to God and His Work. We cannot let the cares of this world control our lives. If we do, we may not be alert to the signs of the times—those events that indicate the imminent return of Christ and the establishment of a government based on the way of give instead of get. Christ Himself said, “[T]ake heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares” (Luke 21:34). 

 

The obsession with physical pursuits leeches the supply of God’s Holy Spirit and will prevent us from reaching our full potential. “For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would” (Galatians 5:17). Coveting will lead to more and more financial, personal and physical problems.

The church has always coveted our money. The more you have the more they expected you to give, It also did not matter how you struggled financially, that money still was required to come in. Some even resorted to checking on members' salaries to make sure they had their 20+ percent. 

He continues:

If God promised physical blessings for obedience to His commandments, wouldn’t it make sense that He’d specify what would happen if we let our minds drift from His spiritual law and dwell on the physical? Of course! 

 

“And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them. But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy [cattle], and the flocks of thy sheep. Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me” (Deuteronomy 28:14-20). 

 

Letting materialism become our god will automatically reap these curses, “until thou be destroyed.” 

Since the New Covenant does not require tithing nor the demands of the law those curses have been lifted and no longer have any sway of Christians.

Pursuing material wealth is a form of idolatry and if we go after it, we will incur these curses. One major reason people do not have control over their finances is their materialistic mindset that pushes God out of the picture.

The materialist mindset of so many Church of God leaders has shoved Christ completely out of the picture. They despise his name, and anything he stood for and instead bow down at the altar of the law and its demands of tithing. New Covenant followers of The Way give as they have been richly blessed. 

New Covenant followers of The Way give as they have been richly blessed. 

Wik continues with this little gem:

God is the multibillionaire who is eager to share all of His riches with us (Revelation 21:7), but we must learn how to manage our affairs now so God can entrust us with such responsibility. In order to prepare for our future roles, God has given us dominion, or rule, over our physical possessions now.

So, if you piss off magical god then their riches will not be shared.

Our generation has lost the mastery of faithful diligence. God will bless our efforts; He did not say He would reward our idleness. God wants us to learn to work and said that “if any would not work, neither should he eat” (2 Thessalonians 3:10). God does not give social handouts to those who are able, but unwilling, to produce. 

 

Sadly, even among God’s people, some are not good providers. They rely on handouts from the government, fellow members or even the Church to supply their families’ need. God rebukes such behavior: “[I]f any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8). 

We won't assist our own but let's spend millions on jets, concert halls, performers, lavish campuses, and private homes. Dumb fools! How dare you even contemplate asking us to help you when you are seriously in need!  

Christians have an obligation to work hard in order to provide for their physical families. They should carry the burden for not just their immediate relatives, but even supply the needs of generations before and after them. They should take care of any widows in their family and lay up for their grandchildren (verse 16; Proverbs 13:22). 

Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world. James 1:27

Wik then moves on to hard work (not the kind of white shirt work that goes on at so many COG HQ's where legions of men have never formed a callus on their delicate hands from actual work).

Regular tithe slaves are needed to work long and hard hours so that they can give most of it to the church. After all, Gerry Flurry's grandkids need to travel the country doing Irish dance.

 

Hard labor will be rewarded. Those who apply this principle will prosper and be able to share their blessings with others. Through their first tithe they help God’s Church do the Work. By their excess second tithe they provide a way for others to attend God’s festivals, and by their third tithe, twice every seven years, they provide social security for those who really are needy, the widows and the fatherless. 

 

Such an individual is a credit to God’s Church and to his community.

Then there is this:

God has placed ministers in His Church who can help give valuable advice and counsel on financial dealings, from a biblical perspective. Too often, however, they are confronted with people presenting to them the consequences of their ill-thought-out actions.

Yep, go to men who get a salary from the church, get ministerial perks and deep deductions for homes, cars, gas, utilities, personal expenses, and large checks at Feast time for travel along with their free rooms. Yes, they sure know how difficult it is for regular members to survive. 

While not everything in the article is bad advice, and it does contain some good advice, the ultimate goal is that the more you make the more you give to the church in demanded tithing.

 

 

In COGland How Many Days Can Go By Without Jesuit Tricks?

 

One thing the Church of God movement was always good at was getting deeply involved in conspiracy theories, rumors, and wild speculation. Not content to be followers of Jesus, the church lived in constant fear of Satan with his wily minions hiding behind every corner. But, Satan and his pesky demons were weak in comparison to how much weight and power the church and some members gave to the Jesuits. 

In COG speak, the Jesusits ruled the world and interfered in governments, churches, and society as a whole. Nothing was beyond their grasp, especially when it came to COG persecution. Behind every trial and perceived persecution was a nasty little Jesuit seeking to destroy the church. Even God was powerless to their wily ways when they successfully suppressed and hid God's truth for 1,900 years! 

When the church was imploding with doctrinal changes and the dumping of so many destructive modes of mistreatment of members by the ministry the rumors swiftly gained traction that this was all the work of the Jesuits.

However, it was not only the Jesusits wreaking havoc, it was also the Germans. They worked closely with the Jesusits to get Hitler to Argentina. They worked with them to infiltrate world governments after the war with their expertise in nuclear science, medicine, astronomy, and more. 

The COG trinity it gives all power to is Satan, the Jesuits, and the Germans.

As we now painfully inch towards the 30-year mark of the Great Jesuit takeover of the Worldwide Church of God those rumors still are circulating in fringe groups and with some of its personalities.

This is from Samuel Kitchen:

UNDERGROUND NOW- "United States of Europe" Tomorrow! 

Take a step back and look at what has transpired in recent years. 

 

At the end of World War 2, Hitler escapes to Argentina, and top Nazi officials were disseminated into allied nations. Our NASA space program, CIA, Medical advancements all came from the scientists, intelligence and experimentation of the Nazi regime. 

 

The United States, Britain, Russia and other allied nations felt they would benefit in the knowledge the Nazi's had collected in World War 2. Also, Hitler in forming His SS GESTAPO, framed it to the Jesuit society of the Roman Catholic Church. The Jesuit society was already established in the allied nations. Hitler boasted that he could take over every nation in the world with just a phone call, but lacked the standing army! So at the end of the war, many of these SS officers including Hitler himself, were smuggled through the “Catholic rat-lines”! 

 

If you study the Jesuit society you will realize their integral part in the world around us. Abraham Lincoln blamed the Jesuits and the Papacy for the Civil War. He faced several assassination attempts from the Jesuits, and records prove that they had an personal role in his murder. 

 

John F. Kennedy deported the head of the Jesuit society, their “black Pope” from New York, and had successfully shut down the CIA and had created a “silver certificate” to replace the Federal Reserve note. So if any debt came due, it would be paid by the United States Treasury in silver, rather than the debt being placed onto the people themselves, as we have it today. Both Lincoln and Kennedy did this.(Lincoln with the greenbacks) Both men were murdered, and after their murders their actions were reversed by executive orders. 

 

To understand the rising “United States of Europe” one must look at the Jesuit society, their involvement with Hitler and other men throughout history, where this “beast system” went after World War 2, and how they are operating. We need also to look at the history of the Roman Catholic Church especially during Constantine's time. 

 

The rising “United States of Europe” will enforce the mark of the beast, much like the Holy Roman Empire enforced their laws concerning “state religion”. Capital punishment will be on those who do not accept the mark(Sunday worship). Like Constantine, the leader of this “United States of Europe” will declare the “Catholic Church” the official state religion! All other churches will be BANNED! 

 

Until the last head of the Holy Roman Empire makes itself visible as “United States of Europe” they have been working “UNDERGROUND” since WW2! It won't rise as a “Nazi regime”, which is national socialism, but it will rise as a pure “Fascist regime”! 

 

This beast power, since WW2, has been working underground, networking in the allied nations. This is what the Jesuits had already been doing, rising through industry and education to gain “top influence” for the Church at Rome! 

 

So with this understanding, we can see what has transpired in the last 30+ years concerning the membership of the Worldwide Church of God. 

 

What has been done in secret against the Worldwide Church of God will be done on a GREATER SCALE, this time visibly, to the world by the rising “United States of Europe” which will be the final rising up of the Holy Roman Empire! Jesus Christ prophesies in the book of Revelation that He, Himself, will destroy this great and evil system of Satan the Devil! That will come during the day of the Lord. 

 

When Herbert W. Armstrong died, the Matthew 24:14 Great Commission was finished!
Immediately the ministry “departed from the way”(Mal. 2:8) turning to “another gospel”(2 Corinthians 11:3) allowed wolves to devour the flock and lead many into apostasy. The Church was scattered once again, and the Church has been subject to every beast of the field.(Ezek. 34)
There has been a huge move to eliminate “the Worldwide Church of God” from off the face of the planet! First they had to “discredit” the name and reputation of “The Worldwide Church of God”- to slander it. This was step one. 

 

This gave way to step 2. They created the “excuse”. Much like Balaam caused ancient Israel to sin. Step 2: Create and “plant” churches systematically to lure members away, to separate them from the established Church much like the American Indians were removed from their lands and brought to reservations. They had to be brought into a foreign environment. All this to get them to call themselves members of 'another Church”(UCG, LCG, RCG, PCG, GCI, ICG etc. etc.) These “strange women” were offered. Note how Balaam got Israel to sin! (Balaam was the leader of the Babylonian religion then, today the Pope is in his seat of power.) 

 

The Church has been carried away into Babylon. 

 

Much like being carried into a “spiritual Babylon”, just as ancient Judah was carried away into Babylon! Today, God is calling a few OUT OF Babylon, under the end time Zerubbabel- Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong! He is that single voice crying out in this wilderness of Babylon confusion!
What the Beast system will do to the world during the Great Tribulation, is that slaves will be taken, much like the Jews were, in WW2! 

 

God's people today are drawn today into “work camps”, much like the Jews in WW2, they too are building their own “ghettos”! Each of these COG groups have their “work” and they invite especially members who have a history with the Worldwide Church of God to be apart of their work! They spend a lot of time trying to convince you that God is behind them and their work!
They teach “through work comes prosperity”. Remember the sign over Auschwitz? That is what the Beast system believed. 

 

These COG groups are governed secretly by Jesuit handlers. God's ministry has been draw into these groups too, to feed themselves(Ez. 34). Satan went after them first, because the sheep will follow a minister who had a history with God's Church. 

 

These COG groups are married to the governments of this world through contractual law! They are mere counterfeit churches. God's Word tells us who leads God's people into fornication. Mystery Babylon the great- the Mother of Harlots- Jezebel! 

 

The Church has faced this before throughout it's eras. 

 

The Roman Catholic Church has been “working on the wills of the lukewarm peoples”(quote from Pope Pious in 1952 speech). Her daughters, the protestant churches have come back to their mother church. A little while back heads of protestant churches declared that “the protest is over”! They said this as they joined with Pope Francis on screen. 

 

Those of God's true Church who have the laodicean attitude are being caught up in these COG groups, much like the Jews were caught up in the Ghetto's they built! It is, as scientists have proven, harder to let something go when it is something personal. 

 

Those of God's Church today, who are Philadelphian in attitude, who are holding fast, are being targeted and they are losing their ability to “buy, sell & hold a job”! Why? Because the underground Beast power has gained positions of government, positions of industry and education, and they are SQUEEZING God's people out! They will ultimately do this to the laodiceans in the Great Tribulation, but capital punishment will be enforced then. Those finding refuge in these COG groups might gain a small boost in their finances, they might temporarily not feel the persecution that comes to those holding fast to what was taught to them by Christ through His chosen apostle, but they will soon realize that Satan wasn't worried about them because they were already caught in the pen! He is worried about those who doesn't have now. And that is who he is targeting. 

 

It will reach a point before the Great Tribulation, that this “shadow government”(human men led by Satan the Devil) that is underground will have tried to kill God's Philadelphians yet failed! God has been supernaturally protecting His people, and will promise them protection by flying them to a place of safety!(Rev. 3:10; Rev. 12:14) 

 

God's people will be killed if God doesn't deliver them into a place of safety. That is why Satan goes after them with His army FIRST! His Beast system, which will no longer be UNDERGROUND, will rise up as “the United States of Europe” and will enact CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, and will seek to deliver God's true Church to be MURDERED! But God intervenes and protects His jewels in a place of safety. 

 

Now, when this attempt ultimately FAILS, this Beast System will go back to where God's Church was and will WAGE WAR on the remnant of the Church, the Laodicean brethren! Those who are caught up! 

 

The Worldwide Church of God is receiving a systematic persecution today from the underground “shadow government”(led by Satan and his demons) that will rise to become the “United States of Europe”! 

 

Remember, Hitler escaped to Argentina, and was tied closely to the Jesuit order 

 

Pope Francis is a Jesuit from Argentina. He has a vendetta against all “sabbath keepers” because his brother left the Catholic Church to keep the Sabbath. That is what his family has said. 

 

And while many are apostatizing and joining these COG groups to protect themselves, or to participate in a “work”, to “belong” and to “fellowship”(good times), what they don't realize is what is coming to them in the Great Tribulation! This is why God says to COME OUT FROM HER!
Satan is deceiving lukewarm brethren in build their own “ghetto”. But God says, ESCAPE, touch no unclean thing! 

 

The Worldwide Church of God isn't dead. They are under HEAVY persecution(Rev. 12:13).
They are now taking the HITS because they won't compromise what was taught to them(Rev. 3:8-111) And because they aren't compromising, Christ delivers them, and protects them in a place of safety! (Rev. 3:10; Rev. 12:14; Malachi 3:16-17) 

 

But those who have compromised, who join another church, they, unless they repent and “come out from her”, will go into Great Tribulation! They are spewed out, because they were LUKEWARM! They were put into the outer court! They wanted so much of this world, that God says in a sense “If you love this world, these gentiles(spiritually) then I will give you over to these gentiles”. 

 

Revelation 11 reveals that the outer court is given to the Gentiles to be trodden down for 3 ½ years!
These COG groups are bound in contract to the governments of this world! 

 

What is prophesied for America is that the United States and the other English speaking nations, will be liquidated into the NEWLY CREATED United States of Europe! Just like a corporation is liquidated! 

 

ONE THIRD of our people will be the surety that will be taken away into captivity!
So the members of the Worldwide Church of God is going through a hell on earth right now. Those who are holding fast to what was taught. 

 

The United States of Europe will rise up and it's first mission will to stop God's Church!(Rev. 12:15-17) 

 

They don't want them to escape! They will call for CAPITAL PUNISHMENT and will enforce the “mark of the Beast”(Sunday Worship- forced upon people). 

 

They don't want a group of people escaping from their clutches, but their attempt to catch them fail(Rev. 12:15-17). In returning to where the Church was, they find these COG groups locked into contract with the former government. THEY WILL BE TRAPPED AS SURETY! 

 

Those who come out from them to obey God fully today, will be persecuted now, but they will be granted protection by God! That promise is surer than sure! 

 

God's Church today is facing the preliminary stages of the Great Tribulation, that is being enacted UNDERGROUND by a “shadow government”. 

 

Knowing where and what Satan's system is doing today, will not only help you understand where we are in Bible Prophecy and world events but it will help you understanding why these COG groups and why you are facing what you are facing today! The pressure is on to join one of these COG groups! 

 

“through works comes prosperity” the sign says. In this evil time, it will be prosperous for people to join with Babylon and this "Beast system", but the plagues of God come on those who do! 

 

God's Church, the Worldwide Church of God, is #1 on Satan's hit-list! Beware of Satan's traps! Hold Fast to what was taught and escape the time to come!

Gofundme Account To Raise Money For The Worldwide Church of God Ends Up An Epic Failure

 

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Church of God International: We Can't Help With Your Needs But Our Free Literature Will Help You For An Eternity!

A reader here sent me the following screenshots of a response this person got from Church of God International minister, Wynn Skelton. This person had asked for some financial help during a struggle they were facing and this is the response that was given.

Why are so many Church of God ministers such unsympathetic jackasses? They live lives of plenty and are never in need. All this while pretending to be agents of grace and mercy as followers of Jesus and they pull this kind of stuff.

PCG: Watch Those Germans! We Are!

It is another day in COGland and the Germans are creating havoc. Never being able to just live their lives quietly and stay in Germany, they choose to instead occupy the minds of COG leaders and members. After all, Herbert and crew made them future pariahs of the world even claiming that Hitler was still alive in Argentina where he was continuing his plan of world domination.

It is a toss-up today as to which COG leader is more obsessed with them. We have the Living Church of God which lives in constant fear of concentration camps and meathooks. Bob Thiel has them waging war in his little mind in the endless dreams he claims to be having, and then there is the Philadelphia Church of God which continues to take crazy to the extreme.

PCG's Jeremiah Jacques writes in a letter to the church's young people:

Germans want change. Having witnessed their partner America’s international blunders again and again, Germany is now steadily charting its own course into the future, independent of the United States. Analysts around the world wonder what will come next for the European nation. Will Germany keep relying on nato? Will it turn to France or focus on arming itself, making Germany a military powerhouse once again?

Actually, not everyone is wondering what will happen. One group is watching the news about Germany—and many other nations—with confidence in the future outcome, and that group is God’s Church.

Following in the rhetoric of Herbert, PCG sees itself as the "watchman" for the church and particularly the Laodiceans. PCG members and followers are exhorted to put o their "spiritual night vision glass" so they can decern world events. Since Bob Thiel is too stupid to do this, PCG has to step up to the plate.

News is not just for Pastor General Gerald Flurry and other ministers to watch. It’s not just for your parents or grandparents. News is something youcan also benefit greatly from. 

 

Let’s look at a few reasons why it’s so important for you to develop the habit of watching world events—and then we can examine a simple, practical way to get started.

Again, following in Herbert's rhetoric, the vast majority of humanity is too stupid to comprehend things so it is necessary to rely upon PCG ministers to tell you what is right.

The late Herbert W. Armstrong said that one third of the Bible is prophecy, and 90 percent of that prophecy is to be fulfilled in the end time—the time we are now living through. That means that of the 1,230 pages in my Cambridge Bible, around 410 consist of prophecy, and 370 of those pages contain prophecies that are being fulfilled in the headlines of today’s newspapers! 

It is easy to tell this person has had NO real education in Biblical studies other than the junk hermeneutics and escatology that Armstrongism created for in-house use.

George Friedman, Melanie Phillips, Peter Zeihan, Ian Bremmer and others can see much of what is going on in the world today. Many of these experts have studied geopolitics and international relations for decades, traveling the world, analyzing events, studying human behavior, and observing how it plays out on the national level. As a result of their education, they can see and understand a great deal about the world around us. 

 

But what they see is just a fraction of what we can see. 

Ah, yes. Everyone is dumber than we are. We have the answers to everything, and I mean EVERYTHING! COG leaders have decoded the Bible and restored lost truths, or so they claim. 

Even with the best of this world’s observers and analysts, Christ’s words in Matthew 13:14 ring true: “You will listen carefully yet will never understand, you will look closely yet will never comprehend” (New English Translation). 

 

Christ continues, speaking about another group with a different capacity to understand: “But your eyes are blessed because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it” (verses 16-17; New English Translation). 

 

We in God’s Church see and understand so much. Jeremiah the prophet said he had more understanding than all his teachers, even when he was young (Psalm 119:99). How could this be? Because his eyes were “blessed”! They were open to God’s truth.

Other than Bob Thiel's church, there has never been a church so blinded by such self-importance as the Philadelphia Church of God. No one in the entire span of church history has understood the Bible better than Flurryism. Even the half-truths and outright lies by Bob Thiel cannot compare.

So what happens when you follow the exhortations of PCG leaders?

Studying into the way nations deal with each other sometimes feels like peering into the night: Human eyeballs can see very little. But the Bible is a game-changing tool. It’s like slipping on a pair of night-vision goggles. Suddenly, there is a clear picture! The image doesn’t always have perfect detail because God only tells us what we need to know—but the shape is clear. 

 

Our eyes are blessed because they see, and our ears are blessed because they hear. When we watch the news, we can understand it in a way that no Friedman, Phillips or Bremmer can. That’s because they don’t have access to the night-vision goggles! It is a high honor to be able to see through these coveted goggles, and it should help us fall in love with watching news.

Note how they subtly brainwash their youth and members with the following:

This Is Not a Suggestion 

Another reason to get serious about news-watching is that we are commanded to stay apprised of what’s going on in the world. It is crucial to our survival and success as God’s people. 

 

In Luke 21:36, Christ told His disciples: “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” 

 

Being able to understand the news and to know how events will unfold is an incredible blessing. But it is also a command, right alongside prayer.

This is not necessarily easy to do, especially at first; but we are told that we must watch and pray.

Zoom Out 

 

Another reason we should strive to become news hawks is that it enables us to “zoom out.”
Consider this nugget of wisdom from Eleanor Roosevelt: “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.” 

 

It is so easy for us, especially when we’re young, to have a narrow worldview. We may see our family and friends as planets orbiting around ourselves—the beautiful star at the center of the universe. It is very easy to be small-minded, self-centered and to get swept up in the he-said, she-said of this tiny solar system. 

 

But becoming a news hawk enables us to zoom out! We can better see the larger world and the trends and ideas that matter. We can see that there’s a whole planet and universe out there, and it will broaden our view and help us to develop “great minds.”

So what is a poor church member to do? Read PCG literature, of course! Don't be a Jesus follower but read our literature, it will literally save you!

If you would like to improve in this area, there is a simple, powerful way to keep your finger on the pulse of the world. Are you ready? Here it is: Read each upcoming issue of the Philadelphia Trumpet from cover to cover. 

 

The Philadelphia Trumpet is a special tool. Several of God’s ministers and other Church employees spend hours and hours each month sifting through the news, reading it, discussing it with each other, and researching what the Bible, Herbert W. Armstrong and Gerald Flurry have said about certain topics. Then they pray, study and spend hours writing about the most important news stories. They reach out to experts to learn more. They read books to help put it all in context. They write, edit, rewrite and bring it all to life with the help of a team of skilled artists, photo researchers and layout specialists. And all of the volumes’ worth of news from the month are finally condensed into 40 pages of the most prophetically significant material—10 times per year. 

Slick propaganda at its finest!  

Remember that your eyes are blessed because they see! You can understand the basics of what will happen with Germany and so many other nations. Remember that as exciting as news-watching is, it’s also a command—like prayer. We must do it to survive and thrive spiritually. Also, remember that becoming a news hawk can help you expand your perspective to become a more broad-minded, balanced and interesting person. 

 

What an awesome time we are living through! The events leading up to Christ’s return are in rapid motion. We can watch them happening every day in our daily news. So read the Philadelphia Trumpet from cover to cover each month, and learn to really fall in love with news-watching.

Instead of being at rest in Christ, as Christians have for centuries, and standing in confidence with faith Armstrongites choose to live in a constant state of fear. Don't pray enough? Cursed! Don't study enough? Cursed! Don't watch world events? Cursed! Don't belong to the one true church? Cursed!

Maybe the part that Jeremiah Jacques got right is the members do need to put on goggles in order to see through the filth the PCG claims is true.