10 Commandments In The Kingdom? Absolutely Not!

 

There is a great post on As Bereans Did about the common arguments legalists use to "prove" that the law is eternal (whihc it is not).

One of those so-called "proofs" is the moral law. It is an excellent article, with many well thought out points, but I picked this part of it to highlight

MORAL LAW

Maybe by this point you are thinking, maybe the national and ceremonial laws aren't eternal but the moral law has to be. Supposedly the moral law flows naturally from God's own moral nature, therefore the moral law is eternal because God's moral nature is unchanging. Then why not say that? Why not claim "the moral law" instead of "the law"?

I'll tell you why. People do not make this argument to get others to stop murdering or coveting. What they want is to justify the non-moral laws on their cherry-picked list, like tithing, meats laws, holy days, and the weekly Sabbath.

Let's ask that tough question, though. Is the moral law eternal?

What about the law against adultery?

That's a law everyone can agree is a moral law. How could that exist before there was marriage? In the future, no one will marry (MAT. 22: 30). The law about adultery does not exist if marriage does not exist. Just like the Sabbath without days.

The moral law prohibiting adultery is not eternal.

What about the law against murder?

How can the law against murder exist before humans could die, or continue on after all humans are immortal? All humanity will eventually be immortal. The law about murder does not exist if morality does not exist.

The moral law prohibiting murder is not eternal.

What about the law against covetousness?

How can the law against covetousness exist after the fullness of the Kingdom has come, and we have fully received the inheritance we are promised in Jesus, and we are fully possessors of all things? How do we covet what is already ours? In the future there will be no such thing as limited resources. Everyone will have more than plenty, and then some. The law about covetousness does not exist if limited resources does not exist.

The moral law prohibiting covetousness is not eternal.

What about the law against idolatry?

How can the law against idolatry exist after everyone lives in the direct presence of the true and living God? Who among us, when we live in the fullness of the Kingdom of God, would ever, ever turn back to worshiping anything less? It's absurd! The law against idolatry does not exist if there is worship of other gods/things/etc does not exist.

The moral law prohibiting idolatry is not eternal. This one has the best chance of being eternal, but it seems somewhat childish to me to presume perfected beings will need a law.

"But those acts are still wrong even if they are impossible to commit," someone is no doubt saying right now. That's like saying it's a sin to kill a dinosaur. They're are no dinosaurs, but it's still a sin to kill one. Makes sense? No. And here we go, back to myriads of unknown laws governing things that do not and might never exist.

"The law is eternal..." STOP! No, it isn't. Not even the moral laws are eternal.

Turns out eternality is not an attribute of moral law and never mattered in the first place. This entire argument is a pointless exercise in futility, and a distraction.

This is a problem some people solve by leaving it obscure and refusing to deal with it. Somewhat reminds me of the situation in my last post, "Willful Ignorance". It is easier to bury the head or to make sweeping generalities than to investigate it and realize you've invested so much of your time, energy, and money in a mistake. Common Legalist Arguments - Part VI

More Ambassador Auditorium News

 

From the newsletter for Westside Pasadena Resident Association

Samuel Kitchen: The trans-movement tried to destroy Worldwide Church of God

 

Just when you thought it would be a quiet day in Church of Godland someone just has to go and open their mouth and say something stupid! Really, really STUPID! Oy vey!

James 4:7-8

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

"Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded."

I don't attend with any c.o.g group for this reason.

Herbert W Armstrong was the apostle of Jesus Christ, one sent forth with the gospel.

The Church of God was framed into the Philadelphia era, aka the Worldwide Church of God, to back and support the apostle of Jesus Christ, so the gospel may be preached around the world as a witness to all nations.

The one sent by Jesus Christ, I believe and I support. Right now, Christ is still using Mr. Armstrong.

The ministry have left the Worldwide Church of God and are doing different works.

I think Satan wanted them out of the way, so he could claim the Worldwide Church of God was destroyed.

But that's a lie isn't it. Matthew 16:18 is the truth. And no, it doesn't exist in another body, like some transvestite who is possessed by a demon.

The trans-movement is really what we have seen attack the Worldwide Church of God.

Wut?????????????????

...and this is how he justifies that statement: 

We have ministers claiming a corporation, which is made possible by the male gender of civil government, is now being called a "woman" or a church, and we are to accept that blindly. That's why you see makeup and doctrine change, to try to pass off the perverted as wholesome. They have to change in appearance, because a woman doesn't have those parts which a man has and you cannot hide a sodomite when you pull away all their deception! So you cannot call these groups a "Church of God" because they want to be called it! It is delusional!

 

 

Dave Pack: I've studied prophecy for 25,000 hours!

 

David C. Pack has studied prophecy like no man who has ever lived. 

And yet, is able to fail miserably 100% of the time. 

During "The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 519)" on June 20, 2024, 

the Pastor General of The Restored Church of God 

discovered amazing things when studying "hear the word of the Lord."

ExRCG YouTube

Breaking News! Ambassador Auditorium Up For Sale for 45 Million

 

Get out your wallets boys and girls and help Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry or Bob Thiel buy the Ambassador Auditorium! Let them put their faith to the real test and step boldly out to proclaim their message to the world! But, being the cowards and false prophets they are, none of them have the faith to do such a thing.

Church puts Pasadena’s Ambassador Auditorium up for sale

Posh performance venue with 1,200 seats has price tag of $45M

Harvest Rock Church has owned the 45,000-square-foot building and attached venue since 2004, when it paid $19 million, records show. In 2020, the church scored a $18.3 million loan through the California Municipal Finance Authority to refinance the building.

The church will be relocating, Pastor Che Ahn of Harvest Rock Church said in the announcement. 

“Opportunities of this caliber are rare in the market,” Fridman said in a statement, adding the property could be sold to the City of Pasadena, or investors. Church puts Pasadena’s Ambassador Auditorium up for sale

If you do not believe in church government then you deny Christ and are an antichrist!

 

Remember this crap?

“The one and only place in the world where the government of God is being administered is in the Worldwide Church of God. I have said to you that the thing uppermost in God's mind is restoring the government of God by and through the Kingdom of God on this earth. God has placed that government in His Church. This is a government based on LOVE. Some don't believe in it and are fighting it. I need you to be 100 percent back of me in it.

Was there ever a more corrupt and spiritually damaging group than the WCG? Abuse of power and spiritual abuse was rampant in a church that claimed it was exclusively God's. Abusive ministers, sexual predators, stalkers, who were power hungry to lord it over members. The WCG was certainly NOT a foretaste of the Kingdom.

“Every day now we are one day closer to GLORY! Time is running out on us. There are WONDERFUL THINGS ahead for us, but we must sacrifice, be faithful, and ENDURE now!” I have shown you how this Church came to believe what it believes. And how those precious beliefs were put into this Worldwide Church of God, by Christ through me. I have shown you HOW IT WAS FOUNDED. God says His Church is founded on the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone. Not only the original twelve apostles and Paul, but He used His one apostle for this twentieth century in founding this Philadelphia era of His Church.”(End Quote)

Are you ASHAMED of Jesus Christ? The current Philadelphia Era, is the Worldwide Church of God. It is THE ONE AND ONLY CHURCH OF GOD. To teach others to NOT refer to it as the Worldwide Church of God, is BETRAYAL. You are undermining what the apostle of Jesus Christ has faithfully said in the name of Jesus Christ.

Who can forget HWA talking about a "strong hand from someplace" instead of mentioning Jesus? 

Jesus Christ does not need TRAITORS, and if any supposed minister is teaching people to only refer to the Church of God in this Philadelphia era, as “Church of God”, and does no longer wish to associate with “the Worldwide Church of God” he took the steps away into darkness and only serves his belly. He does not serve Jesus Christ, but is rather ASHAMED of Jesus Christ. Shame on him!

The Church of God today, has been officially organized by Jesus Christ, through His chosen apostle Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong! Those of the Church, of the Body of Jesus Christ, all speak the same thing which comes through the apostle! ANY TINY STEP AWAY FROM THIS TRUTH IS REJECTED!

Of all the things to have lock you out of the Kingdom of God! Jesus Christ will say I NEVER KNEW YOU.

Rather men, repent, and obey God. DO NOT BE ASHAMED OF JESUS CHRIST! This isn't YOUR CHURCH! It is the Church of God! And God, through His Son Jesus Christ, raised up an apostle, and has ORGANIZED HIS CHURCH AS HE SEES FIT! He organized it into the Worldwide Church of God. This is the Philadelphia Era of the Church of God.

Want to be something else? THEN GO, and BE ABORTED and go into the lake of fire! The life-span of being SEPARATED FROM THE BODY is but a puff of smoke.

Jesus Christ is HEAD of the Worldwide Church of God. Don't like how it was organized into the Worldwide Church of God? Then you don't agree with Jesus Christ and God and are antichrist. THAT OUGHT TO SHAKE YOU AND MAKE YOU TREMBLE! THIS COULD BE YOUR LAST CHANCE! There won't be a second chance if we get this wrong! HWA quotes and Samuel Kitchen

Everyone was always doing something wrong. The church was unfit all of the time to be a beneficiary of the grace of Jesus. The focus is always on something other than grace or God forbid, Jesus.

After leaving the church has the fear of losing your salvation or being too worldly crippled you with fear?

Ex-WWCOG Truth Seekers! 

Not Allowed to Enjoy Success? 

Fear of Being Worldly? 

Has This Crippled You?

 

Since Leaving WWCOG - Melina Oine made a hard decision, when it was almost too late to do it that she would GO BACK TO SCHOOL (College) and BECOME A HEALTH ADVOCATE! None of it made any sense at the time considering her circumstances, her upbringing and especially WWCOG ability to keep woman from becoming much of anything but a homemaker. She put one foot in front of the other doubting herself much of the time - but with much love and support - she GRADUATED with a MASTERS Degree in Health Advocacy a week ago! Congratulations Melina and congratulations for overcoming the programming about how woman are not meant to succeed - let alone men for fear that this is worldly! What do you think about this? Do we need to experience success and a sense of accomplishment and the building of a certain sense of self with a bit of self-esteem to keep you confident and strong? We say YES! Armstrong used this tool to keep us all under his thumb of control along with his Leaders and Ministers. 

About Melina Oine. Melina was born and raised in the WWCOG. Her family officially got out in the mid 90's shortly after Tkach Jr. took on the mantle when Melina was 17. Melina actually almost completely stopped attending around the age of 15-16. In her earlier years, Melina attended services in Anchorage Alaska until about 1985. At that point, her family moved to Honolulu, Hawaii where Melina lived until she was married at age 18 to a Navy Marine. They had 3 children together About 12 years later, her daughter was diagnosed with a life threatening disease which landed her in and out of emergency rooms and hospitals and soon after, Melina herself was diagnosed with an auto-immune condition that she was now also dealing with at the same time and started therapy. That pushed her to look at her past and current traumas. She discovered that the conditioning from childhood had predisposed her to being involved in a dysfunctional and traumatic marriage and learning this, she was eventually at a point where she was able to leave the marriage. 

Melina recently moved to South-East Washington state where she now lives with her daughter and where she also has recently become board certified (BCPA) as an Independent Patient Advocate and now has just received her Masters in Health Advocacy!

See: Ex-Worldwide Truth Seekers - WWCG