Dave Pack: Bible Expert Proven Wrong Since 2013™

 

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Today is Tammuz 5 on the Hebrew calendar. It started at 12:47 PM ET yesterday as sunset arrived in Jerusalem, Israel. Tammuz 5 will officially end in Wadsworth, Ohio, at 8:59 PM tonight.

During “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 523)” on July 6, 2024, the brethren of The Restored Church of God humored their Pastor General by allowing him to waste another 55 minutes of their lives proving from the Bible that Jesus Christ would begin the 7-Year Kingdom of God on Tammuz 5.

David C. Pack spends more time crafting and compiling his notes than he does believing them. Before laying his head on his pillow Sunday night, he had already discarded everything he taught about Tammuz 5 for the past two weeks.

These two brief emails are a fantastic introduction to what was taught during Part 523 only hours before.

 

Sunday, July 7, 2024
Subject: Upcoming Live Stream Message – Early This Week

Dear brethren,

Warm greetings from Headquarters!

Following yesterday's Bible study more knowledge has been gained requiring further explanation.

These will be detailed further in an upcoming message, likely Monday or Tuesday.

Look out for additional communication.

Warm regards, 
Church Administration

It gets even better the next day.

Monday, July 8, 2024
Subject: Upcoming Live Stream Message – Thursday, July 11

Greetings again brethren, 

For several reasons, it is better for Mr. Pack to speak on Thursday. This alone means we are not looking for this Wednesday.

However, he wanted to pass on that many of you may be able to determine the date if you take a moment to think about it and don't jump to any quick conclusions. Think back, starting about a month ago, and you will probably figure out exactly what day this is!

Warm regards,
Church Administration

Within 24 hours of David C. Pack dismounting from his high horse in the Main Hall, he abandoned his own prophetic theories that he had spent weeks conjuring. Knowing this makes all his brazen chest puffing during Part 523 even more hilarious.

RCG’s unwanted external publicity machine must be impactful because this email reeks of Dave’s signature Tiptoe Just Right preaching style by whispering coded hints and gesturing vaguely. By avoiding direct statements, Church Administration was willing to play Bible Prophecy Charades with the brethren because boldness is for the righteous, not the enablers at The Restored Church of God.

Pastor General David C. Pack:
So confident about what he teaches.
Until he isn’t.

No wonder Dave never made it as a competitive athlete. The guy never learned how to cross a finish line.

 

David C. Pack is a hypocritical blasphemer who lies so often that he cannot remember them all. He wants the brethren to believe God guides him, but he also wants to take credit for figuring out a new secret.

Part 523 – July 6, 2024
@ 18:15 And that season means now. But they're called a season. And none of them have anything remotely to do with a Sabbath, Holy Day, or New Moon. So, if God wants to fix a time. It struck me like a bombshell when I discovered this.

Before educating his audience about how intelligent he was, Dave offered some faux humility to grease the path.

@ 21:24 No man can find out. I couldn’t, either. Somebody had to be guided to see these things.

Dave discovered it, but Dave was guided to see it. Guided by what? Based on those cryptic CAD emails, what he found was false, and he was not guided by God. It does not matter what new knowledge was discovered if the old knowledge was not knowledge to begin with.

@ 28:38 So we're waiting for a day that will come come. It's the midst of the years. …And it repeats the date it came on twice. Now, I'm sitting here. I know the Bible. I I don't know, I don't know, you know, I'm not a calculus teacher. I don't know how to play the piano. I don't know a lot of things. We all know some things. They say if you if you do something for 10,000 hours, you'll become an expert. …It's a famous saying. I've been studying thi–thi [chuckles] what God is gonna do for between 20 and 25,000 hours. I preached for almost a thousand to try to figure this out.

You have to do something RIGHT for 10,000 hours to become an expert. Running in the same circles for 10,000 hours does not make you an expert. It makes you a hamster.

Dave has already spent 25,000 hours trying to “figure this out," and it still eludes him. By his own math, he should be an expert 2.5 times over. The problem is the guy has never been right, and the Bible guarantees he will never be right.

The thought that he can never be an expert would not cross his mind. Walking away and trying another vocation is out of the question. He knows he is God's servant, and he knows that he knows it. That is too sweet a deal to bail on now.

@ 29:26 So, presumably, I might be because of gifts of God, not me. Not nothing to do with me. I might be an expert on the Bible.

Pastor General David C. Pack:
Bible Expert Proven Wrong Since 2013™

David C. Pack is a Bible expert so skilled at the top of his craft he abandoned Tammuz 5 less than 24 hours after saying this.

David C. Pack was not prophesying and did not receive an oracle from God. This cannot be God-inspired preaching. By his own admission, he just teaches what he thinks the Bible says. This makes the Pastor General of The Restored Church of God their resident Sunday School Teacher.

 

Dave was so faux-confident in his expert opinions about Tammuz 5 that he absolved himself of any responsibility by placing the obligation on the brethren to prove his presumptuous malarkey matched what the Bible actually says.

The brethren who obeyed him must have felt like total dopes when he changed the narrative the next day. They did not yet know that when he threw some serious guilt their way.

@ 37:12 These verses are not what I say. What I say duddn't matter.

No. They are his private interpretations.

@ 37:24 But when we're reading from the Bible, my job is to tell you what it says. To be wise with it and faithful with it. What I what, you know, these verses are are are not what I say. They're what I believe, and I'm teaching, but they're what the Bible says.

Not according to those CAD emails.

@ 37:40 If God means something else, that it's not Tammuz 5, we can't know that. …You you have to take ownership of these verses. We're in this together. Don't you dare let yourself, and then boy, if you believe this way, don't you dare let me hear it. “Mr. Pack said.”

Mr. Pack said Jesus Christ brings the Kingdom of God on Tammuz 5, and then, Mr. Pack said never mind the next day.

@ 38:05 I read dates to you, and I did math, and you cannot get out of it. But do not say I said it. I explained to you what the Bible said. I didn't come back with some vision like I'm Joseph Smith on, you know, the Hill Cumorah east of Rochester and then start a religion off of it.

David C. Pack denies being a prophet while explaining why he might be a prophet in 3…2…1…

@ 38:25 I do not claim to be a prophet. If God says laying all of this out was prophesying and and then, on the fifth [of Tammuz], I do it again. I eat the book and do it again. Well, then, that's what He says. If that helps you to believe, maybe that's what I'm doing now. It doesn't really change me because I don't I don't I didn't get the word at God's lips unless He counts His word. Well, then I got it exactly from His lips.

@ 39:03 But you gotta take ownership of the verses yourself. It's deeply foolish and faithless to say, “Mr. Pack said.”

The people who do not hide behind what “Mr. Pack said” leave The Restored Church of God. They come to accept that what he teaches does not stand up to the mildest scrutiny when doing an honest Bible study. David C. Pack’s legendary piss-poor reading comprehension skills are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to goofy ideas and obvious lies.

I admit that even after I stopped believing anything “Mr. Pack said,” it still took me years to resign from The Restored Church of God. Since my departure in March 2021, the consistent lunacy has ratcheted up several notches.

@ 40:03 For years, I wondered. I knew there'd be some date we would learn, and we thought it was this and thought it was that and thought it was in this year or the other year. Whatever we thought. But eventually, we had enough knowledge to be able to pin it down, and it's locked. And again, it can't be a day known only to God. What use would that be to us?

That sure date after 25,000 hours of Bible study was not Tammuz 5. Will Dave need another 25,000 hours of expert opinions to discover the truth?

@ 55:08 So, has this been the the final short ration foretold by Christ? I think so. Where there’s just a tiny, tiny micron to go? Something under 90 hours? I think so. I can’t imagine it’s not. Good night.

He imagined it just fine on Sunday.

David C. Pack's expert opinion was that Jesus Christ would bring the 7-Year Kingdom of God on July 10, 2024, at 12:47 PM ET. And it was his expert opinion the next day He would not.

David C. Pack is a hypocritical, blaspheming liar. He is a proven false apostle, false prophet, and false teacher. He is surrounded by cowardly hirelings who care not for the sheep and willfully ignore the spiritual insanity.

David C. Pack is not moved by the Holy Spirit to declare dates for the return of Jesus Christ. The most foolish in The Restored Church of God are those who believe him and trust his words.

Those are just my expert opinions.

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One of the interesting things in this interview is that one of the interviewers is an ex-member 

of House of Yahweh cult, a COG splinter based in Abilene Texas.

Well, I guess You Were Not Ready For Me To Return

 

Why do COG leaders feel the need to keep their followers living in a constant state of fear?

 

Fear has to be the biggest and most universal unspoken doctrine of the Armstrongist Church of God movement.

Fear has kept church members living in constant fear of losing their salvation. Being labeled as a Laodicean was a great tool for that fear. Expressing your opinion or disagreeing with the church leader or ministers was grounds for disfellowshipment and as we had all been trained by the fearmonger leadership, anyone kicked out of the church would live lives of failure and disappointment. Not only that, the gates of salvation would be slammed in our faces. Not tithing 30%? Zap!, Eat some pork or shrimp? Zap! Skip church one week? Zap! Hold a Bible Study in your home with friends? The flames of the lake of fire will soon be licking at your feet.

Dave Pack has his few remaining diehard members anticipating the return of their creature called "christ" and those that dare to question that live in fear of getting kicked out of the church and losing their salvation. Dave makes that clear to all of his followers that is what will happen.

Gerald Flurry keeps his followers living in fear of Irish Dance and church government. Rebel against church government and the lake of fire with it's 24-hour-a-day Irish Dance will be your destination.

Then we have the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel, the greatest fearmonger the church has in the 21st century. Endless stories and sermons are made about fearful events happening around us today or shortly in the future. Most of his African members could not give a rat's ass about 99% of the stuff he posts on his blog. These are topics foreign and irrelevant to their society. Living safely, avoiding raging Muslims, feeding their families, and providing shelter is far more important than any of the useless crap the Great Bwana finds important.

Some of his latest fear topics: 

  European military leadership role for Germany’s Bundeswehr?  

• WND: ‘Sleeper cells in almost every American urban area’ 

• Vatican excommunicates Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò who responds with a warning about Freemasonsry and the WEF’s influence on the Vatican 

• Kamala Harris getting consideration and criticism as a potential replacement for Joe Biden 

• Does the European Union actually use Babylonian symbols? 

• Zechariah’s Plague: a brain-eating amoeba? Bird Flu vaccine push? 

• French vote gives leftists most seats over right, but leaves hung parliament and deadlock 

• The Great Tribulation cannot begin before 2028! 

• AP: Scammers are swiping billions from Americans every year. Worse, most crooks are getting away with it 

• White Buffalo: Hopeful sign or lying wonder? 

• BibleNewsProphecy: Cyborg Abominations! 

• RT: Are traditional international Institutions viable in the New World Order? 

• Worldcoin setting up for the 666 Beast? 

• CNN: Earth’s core has slowed so much it’s moving backward 

• Sermon: Jesus and God’s Plan for Muslims 

• ‘King Charles Appoints Sir Keir Starmer as His Third Prime Minister’ 

• An LCG ‘whiteboard’ helps demonstrate why it will not know when the Great Tribulation starts until basically after it does 

• ‘The Houthis’ Hypersonic Missile Is a Game-Changer in Red Sea’ 

• Egypt Teeters On Brink Of Economic Ruin As Public Debt Mounts, Poverty Rate Soars and Overhauls Cabinet, but the Bible and Islam Point to Temporal Wealth

• The USA is not like its founders envisaged 

• ‘Norway to stockpile 82,500 tons of grain to prepare for famine and war’ & ‘If The High Cost Of Groceries Makes You Feel Sick, You Are Not Alone’ 

• Democrats concerned as ‘Only Michelle Obama bests Trump as an alternative to Biden in 2024,’ and at least 25 Democratic Congressmen want Joe Biden out 

• Herbert W. Armstrong and Laodicean ‘independence’ 

• Harbinger Daily: Gog of Magog: Who Is The Russian Leader At The Center Of The Ezekiel 38 Prophecy? COGwriter: They are wrong about that and other prophetic matters
  

Without fear, the Church of God would cease to exist. That's why you rarely find any COG leader ever talking about living in the peace of Christ. Living in grace is so upsetting to most of them that they constantly have to bad mouth grace at any chance they get. Their utter contempt at the possibility that their followers could be justified and sanctified and immune to their idiotic rants and fear-mongering pushes their buttons to no end. So they do everything in their power to keep members enslaved by fear. 

Sadly, many of the people sitting in their groups need that fear. It is a scary concept to break free from fear and revel in grace and freedom and not have to worry about so much of the useless crap COG leaders spoonfeed their members with. Structure and control are safer than unfettered grace.

Relax Everyone! Crackpot prophet says tribulation CANNOT start before 2028!

Never has the Church of God movement been so blessed to have so many self-appointed prophets in its midst. 

We have Dave Pack with the imminent return of Jesus in a couple days to Wadsworth Ohio. Gerald Flurry has Jesus coming to sit on a throne prepared for him in Edmond Oklahoma. Then we have the greatest prophet to ever exist since the dawn of humanity, our very own self-appointed prophet, the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel. Never have we had a prophet so attuned to God's wavelength than we have in him. All the things Flurry and Pack say are just baby pablum compared to the astounding knowledge we receive from the Great Bwana Bob.

We all can now relax and party down for a couple more years because the Great Bwana Bob says the trib cannot start before 2028! Woo Hoo!  Party down, Garth!

Is the end of the world near?

Yes!

When is the earliest year that the Great Tribulation can begin?

Various ones seem to feel that it can begin in 2024 or 2025 or that it already started some time ago.

Those who believe and understand what the Bible actually teaches realize that the Great Tribulation cannot begin before 2028.

Whew! Buy that house, pay for your children's wedding, and let your children graduate from high school or college. Save that tithe money for something more important!

Should we see an escalation in the Middle East this Summer, to the point that Israel will agree to the biblical peace deal of Daniel 9:27, then we would expect Jesus to return in 2031 and the Great Tribulation to begin in early 2028.

Poor Dave Pack, wrong again.

Not only is Dave wrong, but all splinter COG groups and the COG7 are wrong, too! They are Sardis and Laodicean anyway, so why should we expect anything less?

That being said, please understand that the COGs associated with the Sardis and Laodicean churches cannot possibly know when the Great Tribulation will begin unless they change. 

 

CG7-Denver, for one example, believes that most events in the Book of Revelation have already been fulfilled, so they are not officially looking for it. And the Laodicean churches have added extra, non-biblical events/requirements to precede the Great Tribulation, that are not necessary and hence those who believe them will NOT believe that the Great Tribulation will start until it is too late. 

 

Here is a listing of some of the wrong prophetic views of real and claimed COG groups: 

 

Many COG groups (ICG, CGI, UCG, COGaIC, CG7-D, CGG, CEM, etc.) do not officially teach and/or do not believe in the idea of Church eras (The Churches of Revelation 2 & 3), though they sometimes teach about the churches of Revelation. They tend to take more of a preterist (past) view of those churches, despite the fact that many statements made to them had to have future prophetic ramifications (e.g. Revelation 1:19; 3:3; 3:10). Because of that they do not teach certain prophetic aspects of this, most do not see their own problems and will have to go through the Great Tribulation.

The Great Bwana Bob Mzungu then goes on to list 54 more points as to why EVERYONE is wrong except him. Everyone is too stupid to understand the signs of the end times like he does.

He is particularly ticked off at the United Church of God and the Living Church of God. Both of these groups REFUSED to listen to him and accept the truths he gave them. The butthurt from Rod Meredith rejecting him still burns like crazy.

Yet, it should be noted that leaders in the Living Church of God and/or the United Church of God have confirmed to me personally that I was biblically correct on basically all the above points, despite the fact that their respective churches hold to several of the errors pointed out above. Those who rely too much on a compromised ministry (Ezekiel 34:7-10) to teach them prophecy that is not truly in accordance with scripture need to realize that according to Jesus’ words in Revelation 2 & 3 and Luke 21, only relatively few Christians will be protected from the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world.

How can we trust anything Bob Thiel says when he says they all confirmed to him personally that he was right? Rod Meredith said that Bob's delusional mind makes things up.

This is just more made-up junk from Bwana Bob. So, enjoy life. Enjoy the beautiful world around you and the amazing things in it. Don't let these demonic pigs masquerading as ministers of righteousness rob you of the beauty around you.

Dave Pack: RCG News Flash – July 9, 2024. Jesus Returns Tomorrow!

RCG News Flash – July 9, 2024

 

David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God said that the Bible teaches Jesus Christ will begin the 7-Year Kingdom of God on Tammuz 5, which starts at sunset in Jerusalem at 12:47 PM ET on July 10, 2024.

 

Yes, that is tomorrow afternoon.

 

During “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 523)” on July 6, 2024, Tammuz 5 was “proven” from the Bible by reading verses in Habakkuk, Ezekiel, and Zechariah. The Pastor General said he was certain and does not believe he can ever teach any other date.

Too bad he has said that before.

 

Jesus Christ returns on Tammuz 5 
(July 10, 2024 at 12:47 PM ET)

Dave had to admit he knows the Bible since he has studied it for 25,000 hours during the Series. So, he might be a Bible expert. Failing since August 2013 does not seem to be a factor in that reasoning.

 

David C. Pack might be a Bible expert. Wink-wink.

More importantly, the brethren of The Restored Church of God cannot hide behind “Well, Mr. Pack said.” They must take ownership of what is being taught and accept it as God’s word of truth. It is faithless and foolish for them to say, “Mr. Pack said.”

 

No more hiding behind “What Mr. Pack said!”

Golly. Dave is not the only one “rushing to call this out.”

 

Article forthcoming.

 

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They Don’t Have the TRUTH!

The Armstrong Churches of God are fond of pointing out that most folks who profess to be Christians are deceived about most things. Unfortunately, as many of us have learned, the “plain truth” is that they wouldn’t recognize the truth if it bit them in the posterior! Where do we begin? They are wrong about so many things!

First and foremost, most Armstrongites do NOT understand or accept what Jesus of Nazareth has done for them. All true disciples of Jesus Christ understand that Jesus Christ removed our sins and imputed to us his righteousness. They understand that Jesus reconciled us to God and made it possible for God to dwell within us through the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, most Armstrongites believe that Christians must observe parts of the Law of Moses in order to be saved and that all of our sins will someday be placed on the head of Satan, NOT on Jesus.

Second, most Armstrongites fail to acknowledge that the New Covenant in Jesus has supplanted the Old Covenant between God and Israel. In keeping with their belief that salvation is accomplished in part by their own efforts to obey God’s Law, they believe that things like the observance of the Sabbath and Holy Days are essential for Christians. For them, God’s Law for Christians is still found among the provisions of the Old Covenant between God and Israel. Indeed, instead of understanding that Jesus and his love make us righteous and clean, they continue to define sin as the transgression of the terms of the Old Covenant, and they continue to believe that the physical consumption of certain animals as food can make us unclean.

Third, in clear contradiction of the writings which we refer to as the New Testament, they believe that the Gospel or “Good News” is focused on the establishment of a literal Divine Government on this planet. Unlike most Christians, their message does NOT center on the person of Jesus of Nazareth and salvation through him. Instead, they focus on end-time prophecies and how they think that they relate to today’s headlines. Likewise, instead of spiritual salvation, their message is focused on the physical fulfillment of God’s promises to Abraham. And, in keeping with that message, most of them believe that the English-speaking peoples of the earth are descendants of two of the twelve tribes of Israel. In other words, inheriting God’s promises in Christ takes a backseat to the physical birthright of being Abraham’s physical descendants!

Fourth, instead of celebrating the birth, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus of Nazareth with other Christians, they insist that it is only appropriate to celebrate Christ’s death! They believe that the holidays that most Christians celebrate are drawn from ancient pagan practices and reject any association of those days with Jesus Christ. Likewise, they shun meeting together with other Christians on Sunday and insist on worshipping with folks of like mind on the Jewish Sabbath. Indeed, they believe that gathering on Sunday is another pagan practice and that Jesus didn’t really mean that wherever two or three are gathered together in his name he would be there in the midst of those people!

Fifth, they reject the Christian understanding of the nature of God. In fact, they deny that the Holy Spirit is God, and both believe and preach that only the Father and the Son are God! Moreover, they believe and teach that humans will one day be God – as God is God! Indeed, most of them believe that God looks like us and thinks the way that we think! Instead of things like compassion, mercy, and love, they believe in a God who is royally pissed off at humanity and is just waiting for an opportunity to zap most of us out of existence. Instead of a God who wants to save the world, they preach an authoritarian and stern God who will forcibly impose his will on a rebellious and delinquent mankind. Instead of serving and helping humanity, they see themselves as someday ruling over mankind with a rod of iron!

And, finally, instead of acknowledging that Jesus Christ is THE TRUTH, they arrogantly believe that their own little package of beliefs constitutes the truth. Likewise, instead of love as the foundation, object and goal of everything that God has done and will do, they believe that a utopian government and world is his objective. For them, what happens when we die is more important than how we treat each other in the present. In short, the Armstrong Churches of God embody the Spirit of Anti-Christ more than they embody God’s Holy Spirit. In the words of the book of Revelation, they believe that they are rich (in truth) and have everything that they need, but they do not realize that they “are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.” In times past, God winked at such ignorance, but NOW it is time for them to REPENT and accept Jesus of Nazareth as their Savior and acknowledge the inadequacy of their own righteousness!

From Anon...