Saturday, November 10, 2012

Thiel: Baron Guttenberg Rejected! Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guttenberg getting troops ready for upcoming invasion
 of Arroyo Grande, California.

Poor Baron Guttenberg.  He was to give a speech recently and students walked out on him. Nothing special about that since students walk out on all kinds of speakers.  However this is different.  This has a Church of God connecting with Bob Thiel's bromance with the guy.  Thiel is so fascinated with Guttenberg that he is reading all kinds of prophetic nonsense into the life of Guttenberg.

Thiel writes:

Earlier this week, former German Defense Minister, Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, faced insults and rejection when he tried to make a presentation in the USA at Yale:
A group of about 15 German Ph.D. students staged a walkout Wednesday afternoon against a talk on “Myths of the Transatlantic Relations” by former German Defense Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg.
Guttenberg — who had served as Germany’s defense minister from October 2009 to March 2011 — resigned after he was determined to have plagiarized a 2007 doctoral thesis in law…
“You’re not welcome here!” some protesters shouted as they left.
“I would say something about it if you could stay,” Guttenberg responded. “And also about shame, also about failure.”
“No, we actually have to work on our dissertations,” one protester responded, sarcastically. “We’re heading to the library.”

Here is the Church of God connection.  Talk about stretching ones thinking to make things fit end time scenarios!  The more Thiel writes this kind of idiotic nonsense the more he discredits himself.

Bible prophecy warns about a leader who was rejected who will rise up and lead Europe per Daniel 11:21-44. One verse to focus on is verse 21. Here are four translations of it from Catholic and Protestant sources:
21 And there shall stand up in his place one despised, and the kingly honour shall not be given him: and he shall come privately, and shall obtain the kingdom by fraud. (Daniel 11:21, Douay-Rheims)
21 “‘His place will be taken by a reject, a man spurned and passed over for advancement. He’ll surprise everyone, seemingly coming out of nowhere, and will seize the kingdom. (Daniel 11:21 from THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson. All rights reserved.)
21 And in his place shall stand up a contemptible person, to whom they had not given the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in time of security, and shall obtain the kingdom by flatteries. (Daniel 11:21, ASV)
21 ‘And stood up on his station hath a despicable one, and they have not given unto him the honour of the kingdom, and he hath come in quietly, and hath strengthened the kingdom by flatteries. (Daniel 11:21, Young’s Literal Translation)

Interestingly, the Baron was considered to have had a major chance to become Chancellor of Germany before the plagiarism scandal. In a sense, he was “a man spurned and passed over for advancement” as THE MESSAGE version of Daniel 11:21 indicates.
Here are some comments from Barne’s Notes on Daniel 11:21:
The Hebrew word rendered “vile” – נבזה nı̂bezeh – properly means one despised or held in contempt, Isaiah 49:7; Psalm 22:6 (7). The meaning here is, that he was one who deserved to be despised, and who would be held in contempt – a man of a low, base, contemptible character. Vulgate, “despectus;” Greek ἐξουδενώθη exoudenōthē…
And obtain the kingdom by flatteries – חלקלקות chălaqelaqqôth – “lubricitates, blanditioe.” “The word,” says Elliott (Rev. iv. 133), “has a double sense, being applied both to the slipperiness of a path, and the slipperiness or flattering and deceit of the tongue.


Anonymous said...

Picture caption:

"Guttenberg getting troops ready for upcoming invasion
of Arroyo Grande, California"

Now that's funny!

Also, I'm not sure hard working German students who probably can see title and arrogance at work in the Baron, who get cheeky about his authority qualify him for Beast like rejection. Being German and Dutch I have seen that rather brusk brush off Germans can inflict on their own when you don't go by the rules.


We'll see I guess.

DennisCDiehl said...

Bob is making up names for his view of Daniel 11:

The reason Daniel 11 is so accurate and 12 so vague is because 11 had already happened in the 170's BC. The bad boy of verse 21 was Seleucus's younger brother, Antiochus 1V Epiphanes who seized the rightful power of young Demetrius , Seleucus's son, out from under him etc.

Daniel 11 has nothing to do with the present. Daniel 12 is vague because the author did not genuinely know what will happen in the future as it had not happened as chapter 11 already had.

The reason Daniel is so accurate seeming on empires is because they had all come and gone by the time the book was written in the 160's and was meant to encourage the Maccabeans in their rebellion against Rome.

Daniel was used by the author of Revelation again to encourage the Jews in their rebellion against Rome and that it would all work out in a mere 3.5 years. Well it didn't and Jerusalem got sacked, renamed and Israel got it's ass kicked again.

We know how that went too.

Other than that...Dr. Bob is right on...

Douglas Becker said...

Near as anyone can tell, almost everything in Daniel has already been fulfilled, particularly all the stuff concerning the stuff Booby Thiel tried to use to map to proof text his silly ideas.

The academics were right to mock Baron Karl zu Guttenberg, since he plagiarized the stuff for his Doctorate.

Which brings us to "Dr." Robert Thiel: Someone granted this kook a PhD? What lousy judgment.

Booby should give up his Bromance and return to his other Bromides, since you can't really rely on anything he says and we wouldn't want him involved in wrecking anyone else's life (as in assisting Roderick Meredith in ruining people's lives).

I'd put his comments as a Loser commenting on another Loser at this point.