One of the vilest teachings of the church that was brutally enforced over the decades was the "divorce and remarriage" doctrine/teaching. Countless stories have been told over the decades of loving couples and families ripped to pieces by the Church of God's vile stance. Most had probably thought those days were long gone, but it is not.
This letter was posted on Exit and Support and describes the vile and unChristian teachings of Jon Brisby:
I wanted to write and thank you for helping people who have left or will leave the "Armstrong cult groups." I was born into the WWCG. It helped to destroy my whole family--my parents, my siblings, and up until this year, even me. We all made some mistakes and bad choices on our own but Herbert Armstrong and his ministers, splinters, and even some members, helped destroy my family emotionally, just with the judgmental attitudes, being made to feel we were in "hot water" with God, telling us that outsiders were of the world, etc. My most recent minister Jon W. Brisby (Church of God, the Eternal) has even told me that my lack of financial comfort is the result of my "not living in a pleasing enough way for God." I was also told that my family is the "church" now and no longer my kids, since they are not members. Luckily, my kids grew up against the Armstrong teachings and have their own beliefs. As for me, I am finally what I consider to be "out of the dark" of these Armstrong worshippers. I emailed my minister two weeks ago and explained my decision to leave. He has yet to respond.
Church of God, The Eternal (COGE) is a small group. The lead minister is Jon W. Brisby (age 55). He has some wild ideas. A married couple came to the group from LCG a few years ago. They had been married for about 18 years. Brisby soon found out that the man had been married briefly to someone else when he was a really young man. They divorced and his ex married someone else. Anyway, this married couple of 18 plus years were instructed to split up and live separately but not get divorced. Jon Brisby told him that if his ex wife happens to die then and only then can he and his current wife live as a couple again. The couple have remodeled their home and made it into a duplex. They each live in one of the side by side units. They are allowed to go back and forth to each other's apartment for meal times but not allowed to sleep, shower or linger at each other's place. At the Feast of Tabernacles and Pentecost they were not permitted to sit together for services. This couple is in their 50's also.
There is another man, a single man around age 60. This man was also married but years ago his wife left him and married a Seventh Day Adventist. Brisby told him he must never remarry. This man said God would not allow him to marry unless his ex died. Brisby stays in total control of the dating and marriage relationships in the group. He comes off as very intensely and genuinely kind, but if he feels you cross him, then he gets an attitude and can be very arrogant.
--Kandice Cunning (Child survivor of WCG; Former member of COGE)Church of God, the Eternal has on its page the following which is used as a weapon to stop members from writing such things as was done above. They seek to create the myth that all of the things they teach are directly from Christ, passed down through the apostles to Bisby and others today. To deny what they teach is blasphemy and denial of the truth which separates the "rebellious" from God.
What God gave to Moses, He gave to Christ. What Christ taught to the apostles, He commissioned them to proclaim in their designated areas. What Christ and the apostles taught was the same as was revealed to Paul. And what all those servants taught is exactly what was given to an end-time servant (Matthew 28:19–20). For those who will hear, our purpose is to honor and proclaim that same way of life—the faith once delivered. In that way is found no part of the way given to Gentiles—people of the world (Deuteronomy 12:1–3; 4:1–40, Acts 14:16). We want the ways of God. We are not interested in any of the traditions or customs of this world. God’s servant of these last days at no time made the pagan customs of this world a part of the doctrine. The spirit which introduces change, and/or a relaxation of the doctrine is as much at work today as it was in the past. The called of God must be on guard incessantly. That spirit is a deceiver. He will do anything to destroy.
One concluding observation seems to be necessary. Those who believed and loved the Truth of God have remained strong, loyal, and faithful. On the other hand, it seems that everyone who was “argued” into acceptance of the “faith once delivered” has failed ultimately. It, indeed, seems like God is separating those who believe and love the Truth from those who must surely have accepted only on the basis of their own personal intellectual prowess.
Satan and his demons hate the ways of God. They will do anything to disrupt, challenge, and destroy. Such behavior is a manifestation of who and what the true people of God are all about. They persecuted Christ. In like manner they will do the same thing to those in whom Christ lives. The faithful of God will count it a privilege to suffer for the cause of righteousness. They will be persecuted and lied about with abandon, but these chosen children of God will know who they are. They love the Truth and will for no cause allow themselves to turn from it. They are the ones who will endure to the end.
Who are we? We are estranged members—a remnant (Romans 9:27–33; 11:1–5, Isaiah 1:8–9, Revelation 12:13–17)—from the apostate body (2 Thessalonians 2:1–3) who sincerely love God’s revealed Truth from the heart (2 Thessalonians 2:10), willing to remain faithful to the end (Matthew 24:13). That Truth which was taught by Christ (John 14:6; 12:48–50), that Truth which Christ commissioned the Twelve Apostles to teach (Matthew 28:20). Which was the same message taught by the Apostle Paul (Galatians 1:6–16, 1 Thessalonians 2:12–14). Which was the same message taught by an end-time servant (Matthew 28:19–20). Which had significant beginning with Moses (Hebrews 4:1–3). The Truth which is now obeyed from a spiritual premise (2 Corinthians 3:1–11).
These are the people that God’s true ministry desires to serve. It is our purpose to give you our energy and our love. Letter from Raymond Cole
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how many of them go fishing,to the beach, the malls or sporting events on the Sabbath
Oh! So I better be careful then to whoever answers the phone in the Church office.
Someone works undercover for BREAKING NEWS! hahahaha
Jon Brisby is filled with personal pride. Never will he confess he made any mistakes in sermons. He claims he is the only Authority for God. Alarm Bells people. Raymond wasn’t such a person. It’s a family culture cult. No board of directors council of elders the release valve all banished and vanished. Ask yourself why?
The Home office uses eset security with webcam tracking to spy on the office staff.
Each time I sit down at my desk my camera would take random photos of me. Spooky indeed.
You know what that's called. When men become prideful and arrogant, paranoia also follows. He's made many mistakes, so now he's down to tracking his office employees. He will be his own undoing.
@The Home office uses eset security...
You should get out of there, whining about the hand that feeds you!
Look for another job. Malicious person going about other member's problems and
spreading and twisting it.
People who continue destroying their employer's reputation and its organisation, while feeding on that same organisation, what a leech! Only a narcissist can do that, feeling entitled to receive while spreading lies and gossip about other members in the church. Find another job!
@Anon 5:10
The COG leaders are the leeches. They are devouring widows houses and laying heavy burdens. You're trying to direct the blame from the guilty leadership, towards one who has no control of the organization's administration.
You know nothing. I've been victimized by this gossiping leech in the church office. Not even half the truth told. Be careful of personal information you give to this person. It will definitely be used against you.
A new member has a spouse who refuses to join. Jon B. and a couple other members have been advising the new member to use the divorce word against the new member's spouse to control and force the church on the spouse.
You should be ashamed! GO FIND ANOTHER JOB!
The LEECH in the Church Office should pack the Bags!
Diotrephes, sound familiar?
yes, it sure does!
Technology is the devils tool. Jon should not use security on any device. Trust God against virus. Church Office should uninstall immediately. Walking by Faith and trusting Lord will end his need for spying upon staff.
Leeches in the Church Office means trouble. Hope the Director will get rid of them with SALT! Hahaha
Maybe the "new member" is looking for permission to divorce so to find a new spouse in the "church" since it has been allowed recently.
If the director uses salt: it won't be the refined fortified white salt, it will be the brown whole grain salt.
kosher
I wish I will have the honor to pour pure salty crystals to these leeches, especially the "Tongue" who made up fake malicious stories about me. Go find another Job troublemaker, you don't belong there. Every breathe you take, every step you make, we'll be watching you.
Just think of the gossip that was spread like covid by the leeches all this time.
KARMA is coming you leeches in Jon's Office.
karma is pagan. just like sunday. the first day of the week shouldnt exist. The sun is pagan,
How many people are in this church? Why won't their office give a copy of the financial stmt? What are they hiding? Does anyone have a copy that they can post on here?
They are supposed to make this available at the Feast of Tabernacles. Have they stopped that practice I wonder? If so, that's a pretty telltale sign of sinking income from first tithe.
The church does provide thr financial statement at the Feast to us members.
Lies nobody has the stomach to ask . If you do your on a pick hit list. Expect attacks. Brisby uses every trick in the devils tool bag.
Did cogeternal receive a Covid grant?
No. Why do you think the church did.
I know they told their members to tithe on the COVID relief stimulous checks. Its all about the money.
Who tithed that money to the church.How do you know that. Name the members who did. Quit feeding lies!
Why are you so defensive?
People who are sheeple and do not think constructively for themselves become defensive. That's just how it is.
I'm not. Trying to figure people out. Why are saying these about Jon and the church
Right Jon, I apologize I forgot, there should be malicious gossipers
in the church for character development. I apologize leeches, that I called
you leeches. Let them build heaps and heaps of LIES and let us see if they will stand at the end of it all. Hahaha
But sorry Jon, I still wish there are no LEECHES in the Church Office.
Still, I want to salt & roast them with my vegan marshmallows, they're so good with my cold bier.
Be careful to only get the kosher salt and kosher marshmallows else you be ex-communicated.
Jon is a honest loving person. Jesus filling his heart with love. Love never fails. I have seen Jesus dwelling in his body of flesh. What he hugged me I could feel an amazing chain reaction inside of me. That’s definitely Jesus spirit working in our lives.
🤣😭you so funny.
If Jon is so loving, with Jesus in his heart, then why is he advising a member to threaten his wife (who refuses to join) with divorce and why does Jon help that same member hide money from his wife.
Who are you talking about give names. You are defaming him with out any proof! Liar!
The name was given if you will refer back to the comment. Why does this make you so upset? You could go ask Jon and report back here what you find out.
@Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:51:00 PM PDT
I've been exposed to Narcissists my entire life. Your answer is a classic narcissist, deflecting your answer back to the original question without any truth. Gaslighting. No wonder the comments here are largely imagined false allegations. The source from mentally deranged narcissist. You need professional help and your flying monkeys. These clinical etymologies, the church believes are just names. It is demonic inspired. This maybe hard to accept, but if you want help and peace of mind, an exorcism might be something you need.
Calling people a "liar". Is that the behavior they promote over there at church eternal?
Jon, is that you?
Jesus gave us a very simple formula to go by. You will know them by their fruits. Folks, it really is that simple. I struggled with this for years because we never want to make a mistake and label someone who is simply just showing carnal weakness, but there it is. Jesus told us to make determinations based on things we see or hear. What you have to look for, is bad behavior and the one who justifies it by the Bible or their title. This is one who crept in unaware under the guise of being something they are not. They probably never really owned it, but claimed it falsely.
Don’t be jealous . Your all not accepting the one with authority. He is doing a fantastic work that’s frankly powerful and we proclaim the true gospel of peace in real power. I wouldn’t stand in Christ’s way this work will be completed soon. Many people are hearing Christ and turning to our fellowship for guidance and inspiration. Our Church has been growing at the % Rate of 45 %. This is a wake up call . Many new people around the globe joined last month. When we are attacked we grow more than you could ever imagined.
The Insinuations are boring.
Prove all things. Show me those fruits? How is it possible when there isn’t any organised work? All I hear and see are disillusioned members. Maybe if Brisby resigned then your group could possibly grow. Until then your all in under his authority. He owns everything. The church become a man’s Organisation under Jon.
I think you did a typo. Growing at the rate of 45%? I think what you meant to type, was shrinking at the rate of 45%.
Proving all things will get you kicked out. Fruits, there are none except maybe with a few individual members. Brisby will never resign because his arrogance is on a grand scale, and the members do not have the backbone to see an ousting through. Jon tied those ends up by dissolving the board in 01. You are correct, they are under the sole authority of Jon. If they were under the authority of God the father and Jesus, Jon would be gone.
Oh! The Church now is a now a voting populace, I didn't know about this. Since when?
Enlighten me.
People let themselves get brainwashed and are too scared to kick out the leader. They won't fit in elsewhere so they stay in the cult and turn their back on their family, and divorce their wives over money. Cult leaders love this kind of power over the member's personal lives.
It's not about voting, but the members do have a duty to prove them, and when the minister is found wanting, action must be taken. So says God. Don't think so? You better dust off your Bible and read it.
We are not afraid to kick out Mr. Brisby if he was in error, but that is not possible, as Christ dwells within him and leads him. Mr Brisby is the embodiment of Christ today leading the True Church into salvation.
Sure, if we consider Diotrephes' scenario, the members of the Church vindicated are those who were put out. I however, am absolutely certain they were not whining all over, over and over again on a certain blog about Diotrephes - or lets say in their times, in some old tavern by the bay in Ephesus or Corinth. But they were peacable and they led their own Christian lives in peace. I however am also not deaf - I did hear Raymond Cole say, there is no justification of a remnant's remnant.
Brisby must be obeyed and be highly esteemed. This powerful Work is reaching into parts of Russia and China. In the home office we can see those website hits. Truly a miracle work. Chinese communist stand in fear of out gospel.
"Brisby must be obeyed and be highly esteemed."
Absolutely!!!!!! Mr. Brisby has Christ working directly through him and we need to heed his words! Our salvation could be at stake if we do not!
You say Mr. Brisby needs to be put out. Then who should lead God's true remnant church or should we just go it alone and read the Bible ourselves
There are plenty of volunteers here screaming for themselves to lead the Church.
Shows in the comments. I am the One! No, I am the Chosen One! Brisby must go because I am the Chosen!
No one on this blog wants to lead a bunch of clergy dependent worshippers of Herbert Armstrong. The ones who desire to lead your cults are sitting in the pews. They are politicking, back-biting, brown-nosing, and counseling with their Supreme Leaders about what kind of non-bread products contain leavening.
So why do you continue to whine about those who are still in the Church, obviously
you already formed you own group of highly accomplished more righteous individuals.
Do you still need more validity that your decisions and choices are right, hence you continue to spread more made-up allegations? Apparently none of you have peace, so why join you?
@Anon 7:23
Why do you gaslight and make ad hominems against people exposing the corruption in these cults?
The people outside the cults have peace in their beliefs. The people outside the cults do not have peace with the manipulation and exploitation that the armstrongist cult leaders are doing to friends and family members of those still affiliated with such groups.
I haven't seen anyone claiming to be highly accomplished and righteous. Those are your judgemental projections.
If you are a member of COGE, your job is to be self-centered, and focus on yourself. Just pray, pay, and stay with your Supreme Leader. You shouldn't even be browsing these "dissident" sites. Go ask your dear leader if you should throw out your toothpaste during ULB.
You get angry because I tell - THE TRUTH - You are right, I shouldn't be browsing here. Thanks Amigo. Peace bro!
Brisby enjoyed watching me pee in restroom. Mom wouldn’t believe me when I spoke to her after church. I hate anymore looking at my little worm. Anyway else experience this ?
I might die before any of you negative people spitting lies about Jon W.Brisby but if some of you all of a sudden dies because you are spreading lies about a true minister of God then you know that you are wrong and this prediction of mine is right. Time will tell.
why do some of you get this idea that Jon only wants our money? In the Church that you are in do you tithe? Is tithing somehow done away with? I have been in the COGE for almost two decades and I can honestly say that they have helped me out at least twice as much as I have paid in tithes. Each year at the Feast the books are brought and put on tables so anyone that want to can come and see what the church does with its tithe. Do any of the other splinters groups do that? One member once told me that her son in one of the other groups needed help and his minister would not help him even though this church has 10s of millions. They will not help a brother in need but they do live in their large house and I guess drive fancy cars. If there are people in the office lying about things then these evil people will be known soon. Christ said you will know His true ministers by their fruit. Some of you continue to give an offering at each and every Holy Day but the Bible says only three times in the year, First high day of ULB, Pentecost and the first High day of the Feast. If your group take up an offering 7 times a year then it is your ministers that are ripping you off and not Jon. But some of you do not know the difference between what the Bible say and what was in the WCG as an administration decision. Three times in a year is God's direction, 7 times in a year were Mr. Armstrong decsion. He was the one flying around in his jets and had other luxury accomendations.So who are the sheep????? Who are the sheep those of us in the COGE or those in your group.
@KnockKnock
The tithing command goes like this:
But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance. Numbers 18:24
Now you must prove to us that Brisby (or any other COG leader) is from the tribe of Levi and is a legitimate receiver of the biblically commanded tithes.
RH are you knock knock?
Still the Church office needs some cleaning up from gossipers.
Is there a gossiping department already?
Your all focused on yourself so much. Don’t be puffed up . Look around the world and witnesses the end times. Get you minds off your own little family fellowship self serving isn’t Christian. Be careful and don’t be inward. Watch world events. Turn your news on . What do you see and hear? Cole would be saying doesn’t it sound like this or that. He would back the Bible up with scriptures. We need to wake up. woe is unto us all if HE doesn’t preach the gospel! prophecy to be the greatest spiritual gift from God, to the church. Don’t forget or reject that past Gift.
He was Right ??????? AnonymousFriday, January 28, 2022 at 5:11:00 AM PST
“And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog,
the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy
against him” (Ezekiel 38:1-2). Gog” is Russia, and that
“the land of Magog” includes China. The descendants of
Meshech and Tubal have been found together throughout
history “prophesy against
him”— Brisby act now
No we will not act whatsoever. Jon will not believe that’s Russia or China. There’s no evidence. We hold onto faith delivered only not fairly teaching. Thank Jesus for our work of faith.
Connie, Angela, Carrie, Terrie, Tim Get Jon to check eset smart security it’s spying on you all.
What news ? We only need good need! Jon brings those things good enough need for me. We walk in faith no need to watch cnn news 🗞
Anonymous said...
Brisby enjoyed watching me pee in restroom. Mom wouldn’t believe me when I spoke to her after church. I hate anymore looking at my little worm. Anyway else experience this? When you use such words as "I hate" I know that it could be a figure of speech, but some of you dislike Jon so much that when you use the term it could mean that you literally hate JWB. IF that is the case then you are not a true Christian because true ones do what Christ said and love their enemies.
To those of you that think COGE is a cult remember this, the churches of the world think all groups that sprung from the Worldwide Church of God are cults. So that makes some of you cults of a cult. Yes, if being a cult means we do not believe the things that the world teach about going to heaven when you die if you were "good" or going to hell if you were "bad." Or if being a cult mean that we keep the Sabbath from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset instead of the First Day of the Week, ie, Sunday. Or by being a cult you mean that we do not believe that we are saved but are in the process, a life long process, of "being saved". Etc, etc, then yes we are a cult. But understand you members or PCG, LCG, RCG, CGG, etc, that you use to believe 80 to 90 % of the same thing we do.
What good is watching world news and events if you yourself is not ready when the end finally do come? Will you that watch world news be so busy watching world news that you yourself will not be ready to meet Christ in the air when He returns? I am so glad that God gave Mr. Cole, who did not turn away from the Truth, a real understanding of what certain verses in the bible mean. Some of you have followed a man and not the truth, yet you accurse us of following a man because we believe that that man follows the truth. Even an individual can follow a man even if that man is following his own beliefs. You twist and bend scripture to suit your own wishes and desires and you basically says to hell with what God says through His Holy Word.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they who creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with various lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
(2Ti 3:1-7)
The above comment yes perilous times inside our family fellowship. Lovers of self. Self serving, I remember Herbert thundering about the two trees. One represents the way of GET inward thinking . And other outgoing concerns for your fellow man. Trouble is you rejected that interpretation and as a result refuse to preach to your fellow man. The people of the world need to hear the real gospel. Don’t sit on the truth and refuse to do the works required for salvation. The only way to be made ready is by doing the work. Walk the walk not just lip service. Your church is dead. If your church allowed Christ to enter your group then your would be doing his works and greater than those. If you reject the the one Christ send you automatically reject the faith once Delivered. We must go back to accept Herbert Armstrong had the principles of End time events correct. You refuse to watch because your asleep serving yourself. Yes we should be overcoming personal Sins. But know also to watch world news. I say unto you all watch. He comes at a time you think not. All virgins sleeping. Ask yourself why all those virgins are sleeping. Listening? Will you believe this report? If not who will?
Yes that’s right. But we are unable to change Attitudes inside our church. Who is the watchman to the house of Israel or the church? Get your bible out blow the dust of it and take notice. Study the word not mens ideas or interpretations. Isaiah 21:6
For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Go, set a watchman, let him declare what he seeth. heeded the warning, they would have saved themselves And your Church. Their mouths speak of love, but their hearts are greedy for unjust gain. Indeed, to them you are nothing more than one who sings love songs with a beautiful voice and plays an instrument well, for they hear your words but do not put them into practice let the Bible interpret itself. Will you hear or take note?
No thank report is false! Herbert Armstrong never taught such nonsense. Two Trees news to me.
What most people do not understand is that He could come for each and everyone of us ON THE DAY OF OUR DEATH. And that probably will not be when He actually come so the whole world will literally see Himw with their eyes. So if you are so busy watching world events and not growing in grace and knowledge of His way of life you might find yourself lacking and unworthy when He come for you at the day and time of your death. If you spend so much time watching world events and thinking this could be it.....remember the WCG thought that back in 1972 and it cause thousands of people to lose their faith, and that was 50 years ago. Your favorite guru do not know nor do you know when Christ will actually come back with power and great glory. But one thing is certain only He know the second of each and everyone of our deaths so it is more important to be ready at all times. What happens if three months from now Russia just gives up on Ukraine and China start declining in power? But depending on your age your death is more likely to happen in your life time then the actual return of Christ. When Christ said watch He was talking about the Christian spiritual life PRIMARILY as well as the conditions of the world. For all we lowly humans knows there could be a Third World War and it could be bad killing hundreds of millions of people and still not be the time the Father decide to send Christ back. And some of us might die before the end of this year and that will be when He comes back for us. The return of Christ is dual, when He comes back for each Christian individually and when He actually comes back with His Holy ANgels to rule this world with a rod of iron.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
RH are you knock knock? Come up with a user name like Peachman_lower Ga
Knock Knock why did you block me from your phone brother?
I didn't know I did it Anonymous said..
Anonymous said
My son got another job and he is making twice as much as he were at the rest area
Anonymous Rum Runner said...
@KnockKnock
The tithing command goes like this: If you stayed in or came into a COG group after 1974 you adhere to those same tithing laws like everyone else did. But I am guessing that when your splinter group was wise enough to leave the WCG and went elsewhere you were a decade or two too late and you had already drunk the Koolaid. I know the tithing laws and I have obeyed them since I was a church member first in the PCG and now in the COGE and I have been blessed for it. So we were taught that in order to prove a doctrine you got to obey it and I proved that tithing work because I live it. Our promise is to be members of the family of God if we obey His laws until the very end, either by our physical deaths or the return of Christ. No amount of money you think you are saving by not obeying the tithing laws can come even close to that. I once read where there is over 9,000,000,000,000 tons of gold in the sun. The sun is a regular size star, small in comparison to some of the really huge stars. and Sol is just one star out of hundreds of billions in this galaxy alone and there are billions of other galaxy. There is suppose to be a planet made up of carbon and they think it is a diamond planet. I wrote all of that to say that what is (even if I am wrong) paying 1st 2nd and 3rd tithe for 30 to maybe 60 years compared to living forever with powers to do anything.....NOTHING. So though you think I am a fool I will keep being a fool. But God is always true, remember He will only give eternal life to those that obey Him. And unlike you I learned the truth from Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong. Where he right about everything, no he was not. But God still used him to teach the latter day church the truth. But I guess we will both have to truly wait to see who was right. Your way of tithing and other things and mine. One day we will know.
Knock knock happy to hear that about your son
@Knock Knock
Unless you've been sending your tithes to the Levites like God commanded, you can't claim you are obeying God's tithing laws. You are merely sending 10% of your income to the minister that tickles your ears. If you feel like it blesses you to send money to your minister of choice, good for you. But don't confuse that action with God's command of sending tithes to the Levites. You are merely appropriating a biblical law and misapplying it to a non-Levite.
Rum Runner didn't Abraham tithe to Melchizedek? Didn't know He was a Levite
Ah I am going to be stupid here and say, how do you know if my minister is a Levite or not. I would be willing to bet you (and that is a figure of speech before you go off and think I am a gambling man) that before you went off on your own or found an excuse not to tithe that when you were part (if you ever were) of a COG group that you sent in your tithes. Did somewhere along the line you decided that you need more money to pay for that car or boat that you wanted so badly and decided not to tithe. Could I be right on that? You think that just because you do not see in the New Testament that we are to tithe that you do not have to. But let me ask you this, if a minister is doing God's work 24/7 when do he have time to work? You might want to put up for defense in your stand that Paul was a tent maker. But you do also not see where he said that he had a right to the tithe like the other ministers? You do your thing and I will continue to do mine. It is sad that maybe in the past your COG minister abused you with tithe and offering.
@Anonymous 7:27
Abraham did give tithes to Melchizedek... It was merely an offering.
I think you are under the presupposition that Abraham was obeying a tithing law.
Please show us the "tithing law" scripture that Abraham was supposedly obeying.
@Knock Knock
I'm going out on a limb and guessing you must play for the Brooklyn Dodgers, because you keep dodging the questions, and refuse to produce scriptures to back up your statements. You only keep replying with conjecture and hyperbole.
Korah's rebellion was trying to assume the roles that only belonged to Aaron and his sons. If anyone who is teaching and collecting tithing according to the law yet is not a Levite, they are guilty of the same rebellion as Korah.
Please show the scriptures where Paul collected tithes... it doesn't exist.
Paul did not collect tithes, he collected charity from the gentiles, and delivered it to the poor in Jerusalem.
If you believe Paul wrote Hebrews then you should maybe read your bible and learn that Paul taught the Levites were the only lawfully authorized collector of tithes:
"And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:"
Hebrews 7:5
Please show us the NEW law that says non-Levites are now authorized by law to take tithes...
Knock knock please call me. It's very urgent.
I don't disagree with what you've said here, but then who do we tithe to?
Rum runner, it would be useless to show you the scriptures and even if I did you would still be of the same opinion because you are a law to yourself. So you just keep on not tithing if you ever did. It it pointless to try to convince you and those like you of something that should be done on faith. Maybe a group hurt you in the past. But JWB is not like one of those ministers. The kind of church group that takes advantage of its memebers are the kind whose members tithe for years and decades and when they really need help the church leader refuse to help them. Again I say JWB is not like that. Have a great life and if you respond a thousand times I will not reply to you. IF you were a mamber or any church group that sprung from the Worldwide Church of God you know and you know what the teaching were. And if you were a member of one of those groups what happened to you to STOP tithing? Are you like one of those groups Sunday keeping churches that give an offering and think thay are doing the will of God. You know as well as I do and maybe better, that there is no longer a Leviical priesthood. God said that Abraham obey His laws and statues and commandments. Was Abraham a Levite? He was the great grandfather of Levi. So please just drop it. You do whatever it is you do and I will continue to tithe. Do you think that the law of clean and unclean meats no longer apply? Seem like to me you did what the children of Israel did when Moses went up the mountain to get the 10 commandments. Do the 10 commandments still apply to Christians today and I ask you once again, if members are not suppose to tithe anymore how is the Church to carry on the work of Christ? Is God not eternal, from everlasting to everlasting? God says in the book of Malachi that we have robbed God. How have we robbed God? By not paying tithe and giving offerings. When one regardless of his races or nationality becomes a Christian is he or she not a spiritual Israelite. Remember what we were taught that we are Jews spirtually regardless if wee were former in the flesh gentile. Since you are always asking for scripture you seem to read the Bible a lot you already know where these verses are located so find them. The book of Malachi is short so you will easily find where God says we have robbed him.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't disagree with what you've said here, but then who do we tithe to? We tithe to the group we are being fed from. But Christ said He would build His church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it and He also said that when He return will there be Faith on the earth. So there will still be a Church where the work of Christ is still being done. It is up to us to hear His voice when He leads us to that physical body. Lots of former members of the WCG are tithing to groups whose leaders live in big houses and have colleges trying to do what Mr. Armstrong did. Mr. Armstrong was an Apostle but he was not a Prophet or the endtime Elisha. HWA died 36 years ago and Christ have still not return but we know He will we just do not know when and because we do not we have to be ready at all times because changes are He will return for us through our deaths long before He return for all eyes to see. But God do not leave us clueless as to when the event of His return is clsoe and conditions of the world suggest that it could be soon. But one thing is sure we do not know the hour of our deaths. We could get killed on the way to or from work or die in our homes from a freaky fall or slip. GoD gave HWA at the beginning of his ministry the true day to keep Pentecost and other doctrines that are salvational and at the end of his life, HWA, allowed the love of his son and other men in the Church to destroy the WCG to the point that the Church name was changed and they are not a full fledge Sunday keeping Church.
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Knock knock please call me. It's very urgent. Since you posted as Unknown and I do not know your phone number how can I call you. And if you are who I think you are I do not have you blocked on my phone and texted you last night but you never answered. So since you seem to have my number you call me at the 7590 number.
@unknown Seem like to me you are the one that have blocked me. I tried calling you and the message says the number is no longer in service. The only happens on my app if the person I am trying to call have blocked me.
Re : Sunday 7, 2022 9:21:00. That’s a very good legitimate question. The church is scattered and in a state of decay. Those members should keep those funds safe until the formation begins. Christ will gather together those of like minds back to faith once delivered. Once the church is organised formed and registered worldwide we then cal send those funds to help support the cause. Can I please have your email address please? We can communicate and chat about those things.
Knock knock Danny ! I know you. Truth is revealed.
Congratulations Banned! 1700 Posts!
@Knock Knock
You make a lot of assumptions about those who differ with your twisted view of scripture.
You brought up Malachi. How about YOU read that book, maybe you will see it was written as a chastisement to the PRIESTS and the LEVITES for their abuse of tithes and offerings, it was NOT written as to correction to laymembers who weren't tithing. All I can do is shake my head at your lack of familiarity with scripture. It is almost as if the scripture is not your source of life and knowledge, rather your minister is.
You are riding on the coat tails of your minister, and have no clue what the bible really says, you only know what they've told you it says. Anoint your eyes with eye salve.
“ Congratulations Banned! 1700 Posts!”
This is the most commented post on the blog. I’m surprised people still find it to comment on.
Rum you are HOPELESS and there is not need to reply to you. You twist scripture to fit yourself and yes I do assume but so do you.....have a great life and keep being right in your own eyes.
Rum again at you, you seem to be saying that tithing is completely done away with, but even the churches of the world know to tithe. So you must be from some other planet or did I again assume. God said that he will send strong dilutions, you must have a very heavy dose of it.
Your challenge this year is to dust off your Bible. Stop following flesh, follow Christ. I followed what the minister told me to do will not suffice as an answer with Christ on that day of judgement. Consider the examples of those who tried their minister and found them to be false. Christ commended those in the last day churches for doing so, why? Because you are working out your OWN salvation.
Hitler is coming back, just wait
Fickle fresh green apple vs fruit tinging. Many fruits 🍌 bad in church. Stop those ladies growing long vegetables. Those hot tub moments 🖕.
Why are you trying to distract the brethren from the apostasy that is going on there?
Organic herbs and Vegetables only please. Oh please also have them marked as Organic.
I could go for a tasty organic carob shake in some goat milk with a side of fertilized eggs. Yum.. chicken seamen. Free range spermed eggs! (90s COGE members will remember). If you got a tiny group that is more concerned with spermed chicken eggs than proclaiming the gospel to a lost world... You're not just in a cult, you're weird. Football bat weird. Also, you show your complete brain wash and ignorance if you really think the Baptist church in your town teaches little more than everybody going to heaven to play a harp. Go back to your tom and Jerry cartoons and decades old collection of co-worker letters. Cultie.
If the COGE did not kick up dust and raffle feathers this site would not be getting all of these comment. COGE must be hitting nerves. Keep up the good work Jon.
Baptist church Could teach us true love and care. My understanding is Baptist Church is filling Christian love more than ourselves.
Oh Jons definitely kicking up dust and ruffling feathers by perverting the teachings of the Bible and the teachings of his predecessor.
Mr Brisby is kicking up dust because he actually has the spirit of Christ dwelling within him! That is why our church has the pure gospel message and is the only church with revealed truth. That is why all the other COG leaders despise him and stir up blasphemous rumors against him and the Work of God. God's work is and will always be triumphant as Mr Brisby leads the way!
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If your church believes the gospel was "lost" and not proclaimed for 1900 years until a guy known for false predictions came along and and "restored the truth" .. you're in a cult with a story very similar to every other cult. Jesus said the gates would never prevail against the church. Jesus said He would never leave us nor forsake us.
Making false predictions in the name of God nullifies any man from being an important tool, little lone the one to restore some "lost gospel.". It is appointed once to every man to die, then the judgement. HWAs teaching of second chance salvation in the millennium is pure heresy. Christ died for the sins of the world once and for all, and every man will be judged based on what light they received in the flesh, and what they did with it. Everyone's chance is now, to chose good and find faith in God. No one will get to glory, but by the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Did you test all things? Have you evaluated the arguments against Armstrongism?
Grace International is a global family of churches. Jon's Church is slowly turning away in keeping those old Bible Prophecy's . We at Grace International express warm approval and admiration to Jon. old Testament, redemption is gone away . Prophecy has no place with your Church. Jon provided redemption for His people doing away with such British Israelism. Jon has the puzzle right he now just need's to renew in Christ fully not in part.
Christ was a Jew he keeps Pentecost as the Jews kept it. It did not change to Monday when Christ died. If that happen, you are saying Christ made a mistake all his life. Christ never said the Jews where wrong. Only HWA said Christ was wrong. Jon Brisby says Christ was wrong. And yet Christ was born and raised Jewish, and he wore tassels and kept all the holydays as a Jew. Christ told the Jewish leaders not to be liars and hypocrites.
I love how Jon turns things that are not even on the level or mentioned for that matter in the Bible as being salvational. Why? Because he has the authority of God as an ordained minister? This is nothing more than a Catholic practice. The Bible is absolutely clear on what is and what is not salvational. Arrogance is a killer and blinds the prideful.
It's ironic how he goes after the Jews for their practices, yet claims Levitcal priesthood (Jewish) so he can claim tithes and offerings. The man is nothing more than an ordained Gentile minister grafted into the church by the grace of God just as you and I are. Brethren you better start getting your Bible straight. In the end, you will not be able to point to any man and say to Jesus that you were just doing what he told you was the faith once delivered. It's high time to wake up. Do not be scared into believing that Jesus can only be worshipped where Jon appoints, etc... Ask yourself; if Jon and Bob were to die tomorrow, is your relationship with Christ all of a sudden over with? Foolish isn't it? In spirit and in truth, where 2 or 3 are gathered. Remove yourselves from false teaching and let Christ lead you.
Kevin K is this you?
It is I! Still trying my best to destroy the one true church!
No, but it's one of his friends.
its not me, but i wish it was
Please stop bickering and buy my cassettes. Thanks
I did buy them. But, when I played them backwards I heard Dave Pack.
Dreadful. Wrong Elijah for sure! I am the true witness! And my wife! And our dog too.
Which way did the little Japanese boys go?
All cults are daughters of Rome. Just like Rome, they place a man in the holy seat and make themself the intercessor between God and man, and despise a personal relationship with Christ our Lord. Don't think or act without consulting the preisthood for all your actions and concerns.. question their authority, and they will call you korah. The bible is not their authority, their presithiod is. If there is a conflict between the Bible and their teaching, they refer you to their authority.. Rome used to burn people at the stake for having their own Bible for a reason. It's power to them if they can keep you from trying all things using the word of God.
There is not one example in the bible of a godly man who happened to also make false predictions in the name of God, but also was a man of God. You're in a cult of man worshippers. And the fear indoctrination is what keeps you clinging to Swiss cheese Gospel. It's not even hard to find examples of HWA making false claims in God's name. The tree was rotten from the beginning. Find a new tree. Hitler also spoke with authority.. no wonder HWA kept mein Kampf in his drawer, heavily underlined. British israelism is repackaged Naziism. You're not special. Jesus Christ is special. Stop attending and pray instead. See where God leads you, you might be surprised. Jon should preach Christ, and point his flock to Christ. Not himself. Not his lineage. Not his heirarchy. But Christ.
Well said my friend
But they were just speculations, he never set dates or claimed to be a prophet they told you...
https://exitsupportnetwork.com/did-herbert-armstrong-set-dates/
Speculation is so dangerous. Brisby has done this over and over again from the pulpit. What transpires from this is doctrines and commandments of men. Speculative theory on what this scripture means and so on. At the time he calls it speculation, six months later when you question him on it, it's doctrine. Then you find yourself kicked out based on his self-appointed authority over a teaching he speculated about. These men will have to answer for this behavior.
Jon Brisby has a fork tongue. He speaks out of both side of his mouth. Sad but true.
This to the Anonymous that mentioned something about Hitler, is your Hitler in 2022 DONALD TRUMP?
Pointless comment regarding Donald Trump. Stick to the post.
WHAT does Donald Trump have to do with Jon Brisby.? You need to go to the vlogs that hate Trump.
Worst Feast Ever? Uninspired food music hymns terrible.
Which site? Tennessee?
OH, you listen to the Best Feast Ever, I see. Jon tends to copy his same sermons from years ago. My husband left the church 2 years ago because of Jon and His Lies.
I don't even know where to begin with this little group. When you worship a man (HWA), what you see coming out of it is all you will get. Matthew chapter 17 is the model of what not to do, but ironically most men do it, including the leaders of this group. Why do they keep referring to a man as an end-time servant and base everything you teach on him? Your supposed to be basing it on the Bible and Jesus Christ. You are only worshipping inside a box at that point and your understanding will be based only on what your leader tells you you have to believe, and if he isn't purposely deceiving you, only on what he believes. If the original New Testament apostles pointed to Christ, why do these men not? It saddens me when I hear accomplished speakers like Burke repeat the same thing over and over. From the time he was ordained, you've heard the same message. He slaps a different title on it, but the body of it is exactly the same for everyone. If the Holy Spirit is inspiring you, then what is the deal? As far as Brisby goes, this man is a deceiver and a liar. Never, and I mean never get sideways with him because he will wipe your whole family off the map in order to keep himself in the good. If you hear rumors or speeches from the pulpit about someone, please do yourself a favor and consult your Bible for instruction. I think you'll find you can never go wrong and you will never become confused. In fact, it will shed quite a bit of light on what is really going on. A version of the "faith once delivered" that is very little Biblical, but based primarily on a man and then added to by another man; is not what Christ intended for you. I always found it interesting when Jude makes a statement concerning the faith, but only says contend for it, that proposes to me that as an individual and a strong grounded Christian, I'm supposed to know what it is correct? Yet every tom, dick, and harry that comes along; wants to repeat what Jude says and then tell you what Jude meant. The bottom line is this; when Christ returns, you are not going to be able to point to any man and tell him you were only following what you were told. You are not going to be able to say I was doing what an end-time servant told me to do, and then what Jon Brisby added to it. No, this will not fly.
CAN YOU PLEASE ENUMERATE WHAT BRISBY IS LYING ABOUT?
LIST THEM HERE PLEASE! Present your Evidence/s here:
Evidence has already been presented numerous times throughout this blog post and others. You need only take the time to read. Also, please consult your Bible.
@ Anon 10:24
Read your bible and you'll find the evidence. You'll be able to enumerate your own list of Brisby's lies it won't be hard.
Don't be a useless courtroom, when you accuse, you should be detailed of your accusations and some evidence in play.
"Don't be a useless courtroom, when you accuse, you should be detailed of your accusations and some evidence in play."
Translates into: I refuse to read my bible, even though I've been in the church for decades I still don't know anything except what I've been told in sermons. When I am challeneged with biblical topics I refuse answer the challenge because I feel inadequate with my knowledge of biblical topics, so I constantly refer back to what was spoken in sermons.
This sounds distinctly like JB. Is it?
I was thinking it was JB too. Visiting the dissident sites to keep his finger on the pulse of armstrongism and looking for specific arguments against his heresies because he's too chicken to face people directly. He likes to hide behind the pulpit and have everyone else do his dirty work so he can keep his hands clean. He doesn't disfellowship anyone rather he has the congregation do it instead. Remember, his time is only reserved for people that gush over him.
To the last Anonymous on this list dated October 5 at 9:05 AM PDT, you are so so wrong about that unless you are speaking from experience meaning maybe he disfellowshiped you. You seem to be someone that was actually with this little group for awhile, what happened Jon said something in a sermon you did not agree with and now you turned against him.
Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 6:55:00 AM PDT an Anonymous said that JWB and the COGE worship Mr.Armstrong. Answer this for me please sir. We do not believe Mr. Armstrong was a Prophet now the End Time Elijah and other groups do so how are we worhipping Mr. Armstrong. We be he made lots of mistakes so again I ask you how are we worshiping a man? Since you are aware of HWA I assume that once upon a time you were a follower of him unless you are just on here by pure chance and never knew of his teachings. The doctrines and belief I have I learned them from HWA but I PROVED them from the Bible. When someone worship someone or something, they stand on everything that person says and believes and since we do not, how are we worshiping Mr. Armstrong and since he was given the truth by God and turn away from them, I hope he repented of changing what God gave him and will be in the Kingdom of God. Remember when much is given much is expected and he was given a lot. Do the sound like someone that worship a man. God only is to be worship but do you understand that one can worship him or herself.
RootDawg, you follow God, not men. You can walk in accord with other men as long as they walk in accord with Jesus, but when they teach some of the blasphemous things that have came out of the mouth of Mr. Brisby, it Is your duty as it is everyone else's in that little group to depart and call him accursed. So says your Bible. You and others on here keep saying "where's the proof?". Look, I'm getting tired of holding people's hands. If you've been in that group long enough, meaning several years, then you have heard plenty of it. The bottome line is this; if you don't want to know like a little child plugging his ears and going la la la la, then you will keep listening. I don't make this stuff up, it's recorded. For short timers who just pass through, these comments do not really apply; but for you long timers who have been there, you know better. Listen, and I mean listen to what the spirit is saying through the word, your Bible, the scriptures. Tune yourself into your elder brother, not HWA, or any other. I think you'll be amazed.
Anyone here who can offer Tips how to control Anger Issues?
Why do I feel like I am the Juggernaut when something provokes me?
Well, don't go to Jon for advice. Because then he will turn it around as if you are attacking him. Just go to God for anger issues you will get better results.
Well said Anon Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:25:00 PM PDT.
Just because you came to believe a grab bag of doctrines and biblical interpretations, doesn't make it the truth. Just because you "tried" the doctrines with their own materials, with their programmed outlook, doesn't prove anything. It only proved that fear phobia induction is real. You need to research the millerites and their false predictions, and see what churches directly descended from that movement. Hint: 7th day adventists, Church of god 7th day, Jehovah witnesses and Armstrong himself. Every one a cult full of false prophecy. If you think that's the pathway God used to restore a "lost gospel" you're a biblically illiterate Bafoon. They all used prophetic warnings to subjugate the followers into fear and obedience. Common cult tactic. Fearful ignorant faithful followers make good tithe prayers. Thanks for the jumbo jets And royal life. Who needs to be a servant when you can be a king over the lazy ignorant loyal man followers
Well said above sir. I'd only encourage those that finally come to the knowledge of the comment above, to not throw the basics away. Meaning, do not commit adultery, etc... you know, the things the Apostle Paul said will disqualify us.
Jon teaches that we should follow HWA but the bible teaches we should follow Christ. HWA went astray and did not even believe what he taught. We are not supposed to bring that up. Everyone is to wear blinder.
No bath or shower on Friday nite? And only unscented deodorant?
Alcohol made from white sugar? Acceptable. White rice? Heresy!
Non-Profit"...until one finds out their Top Salaries!
what is the top salary?
Does anyone have a copy of latest financial stmt that can be posted here?
How many people were at the Feadt in Tennessee this year? Compared to last year?
There was only 35 in Oregan . Don't know about Tenn.
Some of you need to stop beating that horse, it died a long time ago. Some of you just do not want to obey God so you say that his messenger in these last days are following a man, but you do not care to understand that a true servant of God only follow God and not men. How many of you with your nasty comments follow a man. IF you follow yourself are you not following a man....yourself. How did some or should I say most of you come to the knowledge of the truth? Did you open your bibles and the knowledge just came to you? Did you believe before HWA came along that like all these Sunday keepers that you go to heaven when you die? Do you still believe that because, well, most of Christianity believes that so it must be true. But do you also believe that God says NOT To follow a crowd to do evil. IF any of you bashing Jon W. Brisby came to the knowledge of the truth then you to followed a man, you followed to a greater or lesser degree Herbert W. Armstrong. How many of you understand Mal 2:3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. You will never understand what that mean because God has sent you STRONG delusions so you believe a lie or should I say THE LIE. Like I said before some of you need to stop beating that sad ole dead horese, you have kill him already. My question now is how many of you will be JUMPING if you live long enough to see the actual literal return of Christ because you believe a lie and was not changed to Spirit and ascended into the air to met Christ. So keep believing what you believe, God gave you that right, the right of free moral agency to believe the truth or believe a lie. We only follow a man if that man is following Christ not because we are stupid dummies that believe everything a man tells us. But some of you do not understand the difference between speculation and divine doctrine and there is a big difference.
How do you know how many were in Oregon. Are you a member of this church. You really hate this minister.
I have read many chapters in the Bible but never understood what I was reading. You say open your Bible and the understanding will come to you.How did all of you come to understand what's in the Bible. You must have listened to a minister when you were in church
I have read many chapters in the Bible but never understood what I was reading. You say open your Bible and the understanding will come to you.How did all of you come to understand what's in the Bible. You must have listened to a minister when you were in church
Anonymous Anonymous said Sunday, on October 16, 2022 at 4:43:00 PM PDT.... No bath or shower on Friday nite? And only unscented deodorant? Where did you people come up with this nonesense. That is up to the individual. Based on what you are saying I have been sinning against God for about 28 years now. I not only not take a bath on Friday night I take a shower on Sat morning. So how is that a sin? Showering or taking a bath is not working like you would at your job or at an office doing the week. Perhaps that is what some say Mr. Armstrong taught and if back in the early days of the WCG that is what some of you did, then you were REALLY following a man? God gave us common sense for a reason and He intend for us to use it. If that was true about not taking a shower on the Sabbath then the High Priest on the Day of Atonement sinned against God big time, please read the whole chapter of Lev 16 about what the High Priest had to do on the Day of Atonement if you think we in the 21 century can not take a shower or bath on Friday night or Saturady morning. Would God have all of his sons and daughters coming to Sabbath services stinking and smelling bad? Think about that! God is a God of cleanness. I have never heard Jon or any other minister say anything remotely like that. And if that happened way back then in the WCG then I can see why when the changes to God's eternal law happened back in 1974 that some of you went along with the program and let the changing of the true day of Pentecost, "take you away with it".
That was the last time I will post to this site because I hate beating that dead ole horse, soon it will be a bloody spot on the floor of ignorance.
Please tell me how you came to understand the Bible by just reading it. It doesn't seem that simple to me.
Feast was uninspiring. Brisby said his feast this year was the best! That's lies!
I agree with you, 4:26! His sermons are so sad and pathetic. He has nothing inspiring to say. We did not even attend one of the days he spoke.we enjoyed God’s creation instead.
Why do you stay in this church if you do not like the pastor. Move on!!
@ Anon 10:01
Why would a human minister be the sole reason to attend a "church"?
You just revealed your true beliefs on who is actually the central figure that all others are to revolve around, a human pastor, not Jesus.
I guess the New Testament church believers were duped into the Apostles were preaching. They should just opened up their Bibles and the truth would be revealed to the. Oh, wait a minute
You mean like the noble Bereans did?
ANON Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:21:00 PM PDT
Can you tell me knowing how many people at a feast site = with, you must hate that minister? The person was talking about HOW MANY where at Oregon feast site. You were quick to judge this person. He or she did not mention a minister at all. Just cool your jets.
How many left in Australia? Those Kangaroos jumped the out?
None of you have explained how you came to the knowledge of the truth by just opening the Bible and reading it. Don't tell me to cool my jets little man. I came here for help and all you do is ridcule me.
@Anon 4:36
Pray for understanding and the indwelling of God's Spirit and the Holy Ghost will teach you, Luke 12:12, John 14:26
Again, the issue was HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED THE FEAST IN OREGON not how you are being offended or how they hate a minister. When you are baptized and they lay hands on you, you are given the Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit is not just given to the minister. The lay member have it to. So, it could be through Gods Holy Spirit we are starting to understand the scriptures not just some man's ideas. We all where not baptized into an organization but into Gods Family. As to ridicule you I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU, If you will reveal yourself maybe I do know you .He or she said 35 people attended Oregon for Feast , do you have a different number?
Anon on Thursday, October 27, 2022, at 9:21:00 AM PDT. I was told by a close source that it was about 30 in Oregon and around 100 in TN. I was actually surprised there were that many in TN. I knew Oregon was/has been dwindling for some time now. But they grow at a rate of 30% a year right ;).
Anyways, all that can be done for these brethren (and they are) is to pray for them. The Bible is clear that God can work directly with individuals and that scripture can be just as clear to any lay member as it "supposedly is" to any minister. There are a handful of scriptures that continue to get warped by the ministry in order to keep members in their lane. The only way one opens their eyes and begins to read is when they get shaken off center. Everyone's time is coming, just be patient. Be ready with an answer when that time comes.
Are the members allowed to go out to eat after church services during the Feast? Or do they have to cook their own food?
It is their choice I believe whether they want to go out or just eat at home.
I would rather be with myself and a few other brethren where God's present is then with hundreds or thousands of people who think that God is with them and is not because they choose to believe that they can do whatever they want to whenever they want to do it. Some of you seem to think that just because the COGE is a small church that God;s is not with this church, how wrong are you!. Do you not remember the situation with Elizah and the prophets of Baal and the showdown of the fire. There was just Elizah and they had 450 prophets. Who won that contest. Come on you people that say we in the COGE should upon our Bibles and read them. Some of you think that the bigger the church organization the greater the presence of God within that group. Nothing can be further from the truth. God works with those that believe what He says and not just simply believe in Him. Remember the devils (fallen angels) believe in God and I would say they not only believe in God because unlike us they KNOW there is a God for they have seen Him for perhaps billions if not trillions of what we would call years. It is not enough just to believe there is a God, He is much more concerned about do we believe HIM and when the Worldwide Church of God change their doctrine and followed after the scholars God left that group and later on two decades later that group completing scattered to what is now hundreds of what are called SPLINTER GROUPS, some of them teaching for doctrine the doctrine of men and their own little pathetic concepts. Read your Bibles yourselves and you will realize....if you are honest...that for the most part God works with one person at a time. Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Saul, David, Elizah, etc, etc. And since He is the same, yesterday, today and FOREVER, why would He not do the same today? Throughout human history all over the world in all cultures there was a single leader of the mass of the people. God is a BEING of order and not confusion. We in the COGE follow God and we ONLY follow a man as long as that man follows God. Some of you reading these post follow yourselves and is that not following a man. Some of you have gotten angry at JWB because he told you something in a sermon that you did not want to hear because you like to hear smooth things and not the truth you are like that phrase in that movie, :you can't handle the truth"! So continue your quest of bashing a servant of God and see what will eventually happen to you. JWB do not have to defend himself because God is His defender. Some of you say vale and nasty things about him, do you not know that God hear what you are saying even if you are thousands of miles away thinking you are safe behind your computer screens. Do you not know that God reads hearts and minds? You can't hide from Him.....no one can!. Since you treat JWB as an enemy, because people do not say such nasty things about friends, then you should do what God says do to forgive your enemies and do good to them. Where would some of you rather be, in a group that will cause you to enter the lake of fire and cease to exist forever or be a glorified God being who face will shine like the sun at full strength? This Christian way of life is about choices and I hope you will wake up before it is too late either by the end of your physical lives or the actual return of Jesus Christ when He returns to claim the throne and to rule this earth. I want Him to say to most of us, "well done thou good and faithful servants.
Well said fellow COGE member. 👏
@Member COGE
First, there is no biblical prophet named "Elizah."
Second, God does NOT always speak to one person. You list King Saul who was a prophet, but so was Samuel. You list King David who was a prophet, but so was Nathan.
Third, show me the prophet of God in the WCG, COGE, or any other splinter.
You're so biblically illiterate its embarrassing. I hope my statement shames you enough to dig in to your bible and work hard to study the entire word of God, not just regurgitate the select scriptures or passages that are repeated by your leader.
You were courageous to come on here and try to defend your faith, but you've been found wanting. Go and equip yourself with the word of God before you come back.
You must be young, how many years have you studied the Bible? Have you studied the Torah (the first five books of the Bible)? Have read Judges, Lamentation, Malachi, Isaiah. These books have a wealth of information.
Just look at the 12 apostles all working at the same time spreading the gospel to the world.
You lack understanding of God's word. We don't treat Jon as an enemy, but one who is responsible for what he teaches in God's name. Jon calls curses on people Is that Godly? What does the people teach about putting a curse on someone? Check it out.
@Anon 5:29
You're just as biblically illiterate as the person you're congratulating. I hope you go read your bible as well before commenting again.
I have to be a little sympathetic with both the COGE member and the one that is congratulating him/her. I say this because their view religiously is shaped from within a box, not the Bible. Sure, there are some elements of it mixed in with this box, but nonetheless, it is a box. We know this to be the HWA box. I can say this with confidence because I to was within that very same box. You read the scriptures you are told to read, you practice what you are told to practice, and you do it almost robotically. If a COGE member is reading this, please know that I am not saying this to be hateful, but hopefully helpful. A COGE member reading this may conclude by now that I just went off into the world and did my own thing. This is not so, but it is what you've been led to believe for someone who has left that group. In fact, I still do everything they do, with much more added knowledge of the Bible. This added knowledge has given me the ability to be wise to what I hear, and wiser about how I choose to apply it or not. A majority of this did not come to me until I was forced out of COGE. I believe the corruption of truth has to be revealed in order for you to react, otherwise, you stay steeped in it. This is God or Satan sometimes blinding the individual. So basically you just learn from what is revealed when it is and move on. The Church is much greater than one little group all dressing in suits and ties and claiming to keep a faith once delivered by a man who was born in the late 1800s. The Bible is clear on that matter, regardless of how many times you hear a small handful of scriptures read to you adnauseam in an attempt to prove otherwise. The challenge is for you to search the scriptures and ask in prayer for guidance.
Anonymous Member COGE said..
You admit the Worldwide Church went off track, well HWA was part of that, and he never corrected it even after MR. Coles letters to HWA. So why do all these churches including the COGE still follow this man who himself went astray? He is a failed leader. And Yet Jon still has HWA on a pedestal. Christ is the head of the Church not HWA or Jon Brisby. Jon is a mouthpiece for HWA not for Christ. The fundamental belief series talks what HWA taught not what Christ taught. Open your ears and listen to what is really said at church. My prayers are for you.
Will a member get kicked out if he doesnt stop putting up xmas tree and continues to eat sugar, bacon, shrimp?
What a weird question. I don't know, because that church member may have an unconverted member. Also, we are responsible for our own salvation. That member may have a weakness for sugar, bacon and shrimp.
No, but a member may get kicked out if he wears tassels, has an unkempt beard, does not wear a tie, etc... It generally starts with railing from the pulpit, then if you do not leave over being ostracized (see their fundamental 22), then the pastor will turn those things into you spreading heresy, then kick you out.
He will also kick you out if you invite someone he doesn't like to a gathering of yours such as a...wedding.
Does Preacher John disfellow a member for skipping annual retreat conventions and instead going on a cruise multiple years in a row due to spouse not being a member?
There really would be no choice if I want to go on a cruise with my spouse or spend eight days listing to Jon preach. One would be delightful and the other torturous.
" I read the Bible and I don't know what I just read.". Sadly I've been there. You are far from God. You might be close to the COG ministry and doctrine, but you are far from God if your Bible reads like gibberish. The first thing you need to do is learn the milk of the gospel.. y'know, that wonderful thing proclaimed in the song "Amazing Grace" that the COGGERS dislike? That stuff you distastefully refer to as "wishy washy sappy sweet jesus crap.". The gospel of salvation is not a failed business man magically creating the right combination of religious doctines after 1850 years of that pesky Satan defeating the church. The gospel is, you are a sinner, as is all mankind by sin entering the world when Adam sinned. Born into sin you need salvation. Man never could keep the law, but Jesus did. God so loved the world that he sent his only son to take the sins of the world upon himself, and give grace and righteousness to those who believe in faith this work of God. Just as Abraham believed and it was accounted into him as righteousness. Same salvation, new revelation. Jesus is God. God died for us. Whhy? Because he made a beautiful symbolic religion for us to grasp higher spiritual principals. By faith in Christ, we receive the holy spirit the first moment we begin to believe. Not when some self appointed or HWA lineage crackpot lays his hands on you.. (HWA was Baptisted by a baptist by the way, ponder that with your loony "HWA lineage ideas) baptism is a sign of obedience, and a picture of salvation, it is not the" mode" of salvation. Faith in Christ is. Jesus IS the truth. The Bible says so! Any organization not built around the absolute adoration of Christ and his sacrifice and divinity, is not a true Christian body. The ultimate intimate key of the gospel is when one receives the holy spirit by faith in Christ, it is evidenced by the transition into being a "new creature, aka "born again". You've been taught to roll your eyes when you hear the term "born again." Consider you've also been taught this by men who hold up or disguise false prophecy and false doctrine. So let that go. Ye must be again. Jesus said it, stop rolling your eyes like a child. You must have God tabernacling in your heart, changing your worldly cares into Godly ambition. "Faith without works is dead" the cults love to say that to get you trying and vying for being good at "works" which you ascribe to Sabbath and holy day obedience... Truly faith without works is dead, but not because how you've been programmed to think. Faith without works is dead because if you have true faith, you will be a changed creature, motivated to good works, by the grace of God that is within you. That, is entering God's rest. Your hwa version of Sabbaths and holy days won't be your banner of righteousness on judgement day. Hope this helps some understand what the true gospel is and isn't
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