One of the vilest teachings of the church that was brutally enforced over the decades was the "divorce and remarriage" doctrine/teaching. Countless stories have been told over the decades of loving couples and families ripped to pieces by the Church of God's vile stance. Most had probably thought those days were long gone, but it is not.
This letter was posted on Exit and Support and describes the vile and unChristian teachings of Jon Brisby:
I wanted to write and thank you for helping people who have left or will leave the "Armstrong cult groups." I was born into the WWCG. It helped to destroy my whole family--my parents, my siblings, and up until this year, even me. We all made some mistakes and bad choices on our own but Herbert Armstrong and his ministers, splinters, and even some members, helped destroy my family emotionally, just with the judgmental attitudes, being made to feel we were in "hot water" with God, telling us that outsiders were of the world, etc. My most recent minister Jon W. Brisby (Church of God, the Eternal) has even told me that my lack of financial comfort is the result of my "not living in a pleasing enough way for God." I was also told that my family is the "church" now and no longer my kids, since they are not members. Luckily, my kids grew up against the Armstrong teachings and have their own beliefs. As for me, I am finally what I consider to be "out of the dark" of these Armstrong worshippers. I emailed my minister two weeks ago and explained my decision to leave. He has yet to respond.
Church of God, The Eternal (COGE) is a small group. The lead minister is Jon W. Brisby (age 55). He has some wild ideas. A married couple came to the group from LCG a few years ago. They had been married for about 18 years. Brisby soon found out that the man had been married briefly to someone else when he was a really young man. They divorced and his ex married someone else. Anyway, this married couple of 18 plus years were instructed to split up and live separately but not get divorced. Jon Brisby told him that if his ex wife happens to die then and only then can he and his current wife live as a couple again. The couple have remodeled their home and made it into a duplex. They each live in one of the side by side units. They are allowed to go back and forth to each other's apartment for meal times but not allowed to sleep, shower or linger at each other's place. At the Feast of Tabernacles and Pentecost they were not permitted to sit together for services. This couple is in their 50's also.
There is another man, a single man around age 60. This man was also married but years ago his wife left him and married a Seventh Day Adventist. Brisby told him he must never remarry. This man said God would not allow him to marry unless his ex died. Brisby stays in total control of the dating and marriage relationships in the group. He comes off as very intensely and genuinely kind, but if he feels you cross him, then he gets an attitude and can be very arrogant.
--Kandice Cunning (Child survivor of WCG; Former member of COGE)Church of God, the Eternal has on its page the following which is used as a weapon to stop members from writing such things as was done above. They seek to create the myth that all of the things they teach are directly from Christ, passed down through the apostles to Bisby and others today. To deny what they teach is blasphemy and denial of the truth which separates the "rebellious" from God.
What God gave to Moses, He gave to Christ. What Christ taught to the apostles, He commissioned them to proclaim in their designated areas. What Christ and the apostles taught was the same as was revealed to Paul. And what all those servants taught is exactly what was given to an end-time servant (Matthew 28:19–20). For those who will hear, our purpose is to honor and proclaim that same way of life—the faith once delivered. In that way is found no part of the way given to Gentiles—people of the world (Deuteronomy 12:1–3; 4:1–40, Acts 14:16). We want the ways of God. We are not interested in any of the traditions or customs of this world. God’s servant of these last days at no time made the pagan customs of this world a part of the doctrine. The spirit which introduces change, and/or a relaxation of the doctrine is as much at work today as it was in the past. The called of God must be on guard incessantly. That spirit is a deceiver. He will do anything to destroy.
One concluding observation seems to be necessary. Those who believed and loved the Truth of God have remained strong, loyal, and faithful. On the other hand, it seems that everyone who was “argued” into acceptance of the “faith once delivered” has failed ultimately. It, indeed, seems like God is separating those who believe and love the Truth from those who must surely have accepted only on the basis of their own personal intellectual prowess.
Satan and his demons hate the ways of God. They will do anything to disrupt, challenge, and destroy. Such behavior is a manifestation of who and what the true people of God are all about. They persecuted Christ. In like manner they will do the same thing to those in whom Christ lives. The faithful of God will count it a privilege to suffer for the cause of righteousness. They will be persecuted and lied about with abandon, but these chosen children of God will know who they are. They love the Truth and will for no cause allow themselves to turn from it. They are the ones who will endure to the end.
Who are we? We are estranged members—a remnant (Romans 9:27–33; 11:1–5, Isaiah 1:8–9, Revelation 12:13–17)—from the apostate body (2 Thessalonians 2:1–3) who sincerely love God’s revealed Truth from the heart (2 Thessalonians 2:10), willing to remain faithful to the end (Matthew 24:13). That Truth which was taught by Christ (John 14:6; 12:48–50), that Truth which Christ commissioned the Twelve Apostles to teach (Matthew 28:20). Which was the same message taught by the Apostle Paul (Galatians 1:6–16, 1 Thessalonians 2:12–14). Which was the same message taught by an end-time servant (Matthew 28:19–20). Which had significant beginning with Moses (Hebrews 4:1–3). The Truth which is now obeyed from a spiritual premise (2 Corinthians 3:1–11).
These are the people that God’s true ministry desires to serve. It is our purpose to give you our energy and our love. Letter from Raymond Cole
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«Oldest ‹Older 1801 – 2000 of 2791 Newer› Newest»The Perfecting of the Saints at about 53:30" Jon say we are trying to sell you on the truth".
My question is, if God is calling you why you need a salesman to convince you? Also in this sermon Jon says Mr. Cole was his mentor and if it wasn't for Mr. Cole he would have left the church a long time ago. If you notice he does not give any credit to Christ calling him at all. Maybe that is why we are getting the sermons we are getting! Just my thoughts on this whole issue.
Wow, over 1800 posts! Keep up the good work!
Anon October 30, 2022 at 7:49pm. Satan is the one who tries to sell you, but not on God's truth, a corrupted version of it. You rightly said "God calls you". You choose to accept or reject it. If a man has to try and sell you something as JB said, that should be a huge red flag for any "thinking Christian". Robots drink the coolaid and then defend the coolaid man. Thus COGE.
2Jn 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2Jn 1:2 For the truth's sake, which dwells in us, and shall be with us forever.
2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
2Jn 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found some of your children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto you, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have worked for, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whoever goes beyond, and abides not in the doctrine of Christ, has not God. He that abides in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that bids him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2Jn 1:12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
2Jn 1:13 The children of your elect sister greet you. Amen.
You know good and well there is a Prophet of God named Elijah but since you need convincing I decided to post everywhere in the Bible that it is mentioned. And since you blatantly denied that, why would anyone listen to anything you have to say? Maybe I made a typo (as if someone as great as you are do not. You are a liar and like your father the Devil. You are indeed anti-Christ. You my friend are the one that need to read his or her bible.
1Ki_17:1 And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel lives, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.
1Ki_17:13 And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as you have said: but make me from it a little loaf first, and bring it unto me, and after that make some for you and for your son.
1Ki_17:15 And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days.
1Ki_17:16 And the barrel of meal did not run out, neither did the jar of oil fail, according to the word of the LORD, which he spoke by Elijah.
Jas_5:17 Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth for three years and six months.
Now you go back and read your Bible because I do, maybe not as much as I should but I do. Liar. God rebuke you unless of course you do not believe there is a God. I can feel the bitterness and hatred and anger in your text. I feel deep sorrow for you. I also regret whatever was done to you to cause this bitterness in your spirit, perhaps you have time enough to repent of the contents of your heart.
Anonymous said...
Anon October 30, 2022 at 7:49pm. Satan is the one who tries to sell you, but not on God's truth, a corrupted version of it. You rightly said "God calls you". You choose to accept or reject it. If a man has to try and sell you something as JB said, that should be a huge red flag for any "thinking Christian". Robots drink the coolaid and then defend the coolaid man. Thus COGE. Monday, October 31, 2022 at 11:39:00 AM PDT
If what you said is try how do you explain what Christ said in the book of Revelation. I would like to hear you explain this:Rev 3:18 I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that you may be rich; and white clothing, that you may be clothed, and that the shame of your nakedness does not appear; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. Please explain that since you are so sure of yourself.
To all you Jon W. Brisby haters I have a question for you and I am just being silly! Do any of you have your Halloween candy waiting for the night to worship your god little "g" Satan?
@COGE Member
We found your liar, it is one of your fellow members: Rootdawg
RootDawg said...
That was the last time I will post to this site because I hate beating that dead ole horse, soon it will be a bloody spot on the floor of ignorance.
Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 3:56:00 AM PDT
Anon October 30, 2022 at 7:49pm: Read Rev 3:20 It is Christ talking. If you are searching for God HE will come to you. It does not say a salesman will come to you and he will teach you.
Just want you to know I don't hate Jon Brisby, but if he is speaking for God he is responsible for what he says and putting curses on people is not Godly. Jon has done this to many people.
Anon COGE member October 31, 2022 at 12:17:00 PDT I don't need to try and explain Rev 3:18 because it explains itself. Really? because it uses the word "buy". What did you do, a word search? C'mon, get in there and read your Bible. Go learn what that scripture means first, and then come back to me. Jesus Christ is not a salesman, he was a teacher period. A teacher who also has the same calling is simply there to help guide you and walk alongside you in it as an example, not sell you on something that someone already chose to call you to.
I am not impervious to this myself, but I see clearly why so many people are being led astray by these charlatans, and why so many more will be in the future. I will keep praying for you, my friend.
Anon October 31, 2022 at 1:25:00, aside from JB putting a curse on the Whitaker family back in 2009-2010, who else has he? I'm curious.
JB also helps a member hide money from the spouse. FACT!!
Anonymous said...
@COGE Member
We found your liar, it is one of your fellow members: Rootdawg
God is perfect and He was perfectly right when He said they would call good evil and evil good. There are a lot of ministers you could rag on other than JWB. Why is that? Do he do things or say things that you can't stand? Are you in a D&R situation and you love this person so much that when Jon preach a sermon about having a living spouse that you are legally in the eyes of God is married to makes your blood boil? You and those like you can not handle the truth. But let me say this, let's say that Jon is right, 100 percent right. Are you willing to loose out on eternal life because you just have to have things your way. Being a Christian means over coming our carnal human natures. Or do you believe that little baby are born good and only after Satan comes into the picture that they become evil. The doctrine of human nature was changed along with other doctrine back in 1974 and if you came into the church from 1974 and beyond you got the wrong teachings because the church leaders love the lie better than the truth. I like truth. And by the way thanks for calling me a liar. But please, please do not call God a liar. He is perfect and thank God for some of your sake He is a merciful God. And since you say Jon have put curses on many people you must be a member of COGE otherwise how would you know. Noah put a curse on Cannan. Elijah in which some person on here says there is no such prophet curse those bad boys that mocked him. Are you sure we are reading the same bible? I Rootdawg must be doing something right otherwise if I were like you you would not be call me a liar. Have fun with that
oh just shut up already with the regurgitation of the vomit you've allowed be puked into your ear for decades. Go to any church down the road and they all believe mankind was born into sin. Of allll the dumb stuff to hold up as relevant.. thats the absolute dumbest. Youre not special and neither is/was herbtard the fake prophet. I have a secret to share, herbie made the whole thing up. It literally isn't hard to prove either. Keep dancing to the circus music, clown shoes.
@Rader33
If you did not have tails for brains you would know the truth. Jon never have said he was a Prophet in fact he says there are none today but maybe in the future but since your head is as hard as a diamond it is hardly unlikely that He will use a nut like you in such a position. Your messages indicate the misery that is going on in your mind. I feel sorrow for you and I hate someone abused you while you were in a Church of God. You really can't see the forest for the trees. God is love and your replies indicate that you don't have His Love.
@ Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anon COGE member October 31, 2022 at 12:17:00 PDT
You can't explain it because you have lost the spirit of God your replies indicate the bitterness you possess inside. Pitiful very pitiful but this is the last message to any of you. One day unless you repent and while you are burning with unquenchable fire you will realize how wrong you were. I did a word such because you are someone said that there is no Prophet named Elijah and that word search proved you do not know what you are talking about and you are so arrogant that you don't understand a TYPO and that they happens. But you are perfect and you have NEVER made a typo in your life.
Rader33 said...
oh just shut up already with the regurgitation of the vomit you've allowed be puked into your ear for decades. Go to any church down the road and they all believe mankind was born into sin. Of allll the dumb stuff to hold up as relevant.. thats the absolute dumbest. Youre not special and neither is/was herbtard the fake prophet. I have a secret to share, herbie made the whole thing up. It literally isn't hard to prove either. Keep dancing to the circus music, clown shoes. Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:59:00 PM PDT It is you that think that I think I am special on the contrary I am probably the least special person in ANY church group. But I have ears to hear and eyes to see and you have only anger and anger will never get you, me or anyone else in the Kingdom of God. Some of you boast about reading the Bible so that means that you yourself read it....too bad you do not understand what it says and if you do understand it....why don't you believe what it say? Remember the demons just don't believe there is a GOD they know there is because they have seen Him. And they tremble but some of you have no fear of God left in you. That beating that ole horse mentality. Forgive them Father they know not what they do. Or do they?
What is this Whitaker Curse all about?
I like the Whitakers.
Rootdog knows the Bible. You should take lessons from Rootdog
Monday, October 31, 2022 at 4:58:00 PM PDT
Am I understanding this right you are comparing Jon Brisby to Noah and Elijah? By the way you can listen to sermons on the web site. You don't have to be a member. How do you feel about Jon giving sermons on marriage then he tells Justin HIS friend, he can get a divorce from his wife over money. Then in a sermons, put a curse on his wife. I find this all odd coming from a church.
Has anyone on this site said Jon was a prophet?
They compare Jon Brisby with all the prophets as if he shares the same authority with them... yet they're quick to admit Jon is not a prophet.
Please show me a biblical example of someone who is not a prophet or apostle who has any authority over Israel or "spiritual Israel"
Where is your proof that he put a Curse on Justin's wife. Did you hear do it. You better watch what you say silly boy. God is listening
He admitted to it in a sermon, you were probably sleeping like all the other old fogeys do during his sermons.
I like what both Rootdawg and his brother say!
What sermon was that silly boy. What was the title of it
@Rootdogs brother
By asking some stranger online to produce Jon's sermon that you slept through is an exhibition of your spiritual laziness.
The Bereans were noble because they searched the scriptures DAILY to prove what Paul was teaching. You're not even willing to stay awake for an hour to listen to your supreme leader. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
I will toss this dog a bone however. The sermon you're enquiring about is in the same series of sermons where Jon stated he gave legal advice to Justin in order for him to divorce his wife - so that Justin could protect his money.
Show me anywhere in the bible where divorce is encouraged for money. Here's my wager; you won't even dust off your bible, or search for the sermon, because you're lazy. Instead, you'll come back on here and hurl insults and never do any hard work towards your spiritual life.
So you are into calling people names now. (silly boy). If you were listening to the sermons you would have heard it. Just like the sermon when Jon admitted he was the one who told Justin to divorce His wife over money . Then Justin proceeded to steal all the money from the bank accounts. Interesting isn't it?
Listen to Blessings & Curses July 11, 2015. This was the first message where Jon told the congregation it was okay to ask for curses upon people. He warped many scriptures to justify it, but he details a particular curse he asked for upon another family a few years before. Anyone who was familiar with the circumstance, knew the people involved. Then just this last year, he asked for a curse upon a young lady. He mentioned this is in a recent message. I believe he mentioned her name.
Anyway, if you do not realize it by now COGE members, your dealing with a Demon standing before you. Remember: 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Anon Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:06:00 PM that message about Justin and Olivia where he cursed her and told Justin he could divorce was entitled "A recent history of ministerial judgments" given in Eugene, OR Aug 7, 2021. JB was doing the typical cleanup of his mess on aisle 5 before the Feast of Tabernacles. It was funny that he once again brought up the marriage he tried to botch in 2009. FYI everybody, the dates he through out there for the 2009 marriage, he got wrong. Most likely on purpose to throw the timeline off, so I will take a moment to correct him here. The deacon left in 08, and the wedding was not until July of 09, so a whole year and a half had already passed since this man left. The lies and vitriolic hate that spew out of Jon's mouth are incredible. If people would hold him to task for half the stuff he says from the pulpit, he'd be found wanting, and would have to pack his bags. The man from the 2009 wedding that JB paints as being weak-spined, I know for a fact has every single bit of correspondence between him and JB as well as another minister and JB, not to mention recorded calls and all of the Deacon's correspondence. This man is an absolute snake. Lie after lie, year after year. COGE members, you have been duped beyond imagination. COGE brethren, I challenge you to stand up for the truth and grow a pair. Are you scared? You should be more scared of having to tell Jesus you were following a man rather than him. By then, it will be too late.
yes, good job rootdawg. I agree! I, love when my followers get on blogs and stir up trouble! see you soon sweetie xoxo
We had a whole year of Jon Bashing Olivia and telling everyone they better pick the right side to be on in sermons. People were told not to talk about it and yet for whole year he was trying to destroy her character. Justin was the angel and yet HE was the one who filed for divorce. The deception over this has been amazing from the pulpit. And yes, I know God hears all, so what I have said has been the truth whether you want to believe it or not. Jon is going to have to answer for what he has done to many women and men and how he has ruined their lives. Jon will never dirty his hands he leaves it up to the congregation to do that. How many people have shunned Olivia and others just by what Jon has said from the Pulpit?????
The similar situation going on right now down in Texas. JB is "advising" a member how to get free from his "unconverted " wife.
Make sure you pick the right side (Jon side). Or you are going to lose your salvation if you don't believe him. Every Armstrong splinter does the same thing. Threaten the people with their salvation if you don't follower that minister. We will be safe if we look to Christ and follow Him. signed: silly boy.
is justin allowed to re marry since the divorce was authorized?
Justin doesn't need to remarry, he's got another woman outside of marriage right now, but you'll never hear him condemned from the pulpit.
What's happening Texas?
Jon set it up so that Justin could remarry. If you remember the sermons this last year where he was talking about idolatry, the medical system and fraud before marriage. He set J and O up for the case of Pornea. Remember he expanded the word to include if someone told you they would not get there children involved in the medical system prior to marriage, and then later chose to (i.e. Olivia) when they had them, that she deceived him or defrauded him. If you were listening closely, he opened the door for it. So, if Justin stays in the church and marries another woman, Jon will point to that message as his biblical proof for justification. This is classic Jon in every case. Destroys something, then tries to reshape it according to his desires. Sounds like someone else we know in the Bible right?
Some and I state some so do not twist my words. Some of you people in here are in danger of the Lake of Fire. We are suppose to cover a brother weakness and not expose them unless what they are doing will effect the entire church. Then you result to names when are we told to do that? What happened to forgive more than seven times seven? Are some of you worried because if Jon were to curse you his curse would be binding? You called me a liar because I made a typo and the one that did that know that there was a Prophet by the name of Elijah. In fact some of you self=rightous people even believe or believed at one time that Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong was that Elijah that God promise to send in the last days. Let me say this and you can say of me what you want, but if Jon W. Brisby is indeed the servant that God is using now, some of you that speak evil of him better be careful of what you say especially if what you are saying is a blatant and bold face lie. Salvation is suppose to be between God and an individual and the way some of you "preachers of righteous" seem to know more than a true minister of God, I would be very careful at what you say because unlike myself and you and Jon, God can and does read minds. Why do SOME of you let the devil fill your hearts and mind with evilness? God what Jon preach hit your nerves and you hate to hear the truth and can not stand to hear it because you enjoy being lied to. Yes our church is small but we have endured for almost 50 years, we held on to the things that God taught the parent church-which no longer exists. If Monday is the real day of Pentecost and you went back and kept a Sunday JUST LIKE THE CHURCHES OF THIS WORLD, that's on you. I myself have curse someone because of that person refusal to leave well enough along. When one of the person I cursed died she stop trying to do that which she was doing. Answer me this! What happened to Jezebel was it wrong for her to be thrown to the dogs? Was it wrong for the eunuchs to throw her to the dogs? Remember that psalm some of you sing or use to sing on Sabbath? They would have their own way. When it is written where Christ said HE will come as a thief in the night and you do not know the day or time of HIS coming. Well that also mean you do not know the time of your death...AND NEITHER DO I KNOW THE TIME OF MY DEATH.
As for you that speak evil of me I say this God forgive them they know not what they do!
Blogger Truth said...
Anon Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:06:00 PM.
July 7th 2021 was not on a Sabath it was on a Wednesday. The Sabbath was the 9th so like me you too might have made a mistake, you know things like that happen. So I will keep searching. You know like the Bible says prove all things hold fast to that which is GOOD.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
is justin allowed to re marry since the divorce was authorized?
Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 5:14:00 AM PDT.
No as long as we in the Church has a living spouse we are not able to remarry and I know lots of you hate that but what is more important to you a few decades with a male or female spouse or living forever as a Spirit being, what I like to call a GODling.
I have a question for some of you that seem to know so much about whats going in the the COGE. You seem to be a member or use to be and if you are still a member and you disagree with so much of what our ministers preach......WHY ARE YOU STILL WITH US? And if you are not a member why are you so concern about what goes on in a church that you are NOT a member of? Please explain that!
As I write this I am listening to the sermon that I think you thought was given on 07-7-2021. And I think you did not like what was preached in that sermon. Oh well you will get over it.
Will someone please. please tell me the exact sermon where Jon cursed Olivia. Just give me the Sabbath that it was preached because I have not heard anything about that.
Maybe the "unconverted" wife, down Texas way, should drag John thru court and teach his sorry ass a lesson about meddling.
@COGE MEMBER
"COGE MEMBER said...
I have a question for some of you that seem to know so much about whats going in the the COGE. You seem to be a member or use to be and if you are still a member and you disagree with so much of what our ministers preach......WHY ARE YOU STILL WITH US? And if you are not a member why are you so concern about what goes on in a church that you are NOT a member of? Please explain that!"
Lets turn it around and see if your logic makes sense...
If you are a member of this BLOG and disagree with this blog WHY ARE YOU STILL WITH US? if you are not a member of this BLOG why are you so concerned about what goes on in a BLOG that you are NOT a member of? Please explain that!
Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 11:36:00 AM Do your own research like the rest of us had to do. You wanted it to just be handed on plate for you. If you are not willing to believe these people stories who had to deal with Jon Brisby no number of sermons will help you. You have Jon where you want him on a pedestal. Tell me where one can go and speak about what has happen to them?
You cannot go to members. Then have someone like you who will run to minister and turn them in thinking they are doing Gods will. Didn't Matt speak about that? signed silly boy
To COGE member Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 11:36 AM PDT
This is the message where Jon cursed Olivia.
A Recent History of Ministerial Judgments
Jon W. Brisby; Eugene, OR., 8-7-2021
The video is still on the website under the weekly media tab, just scroll till you find it. I recommend watching the video to understand the person you are dealing with.
Fast fwd to around the 1hr 17min. mark and listen through 1:20, or the rest of it if you want to be sick to your stomach.
In the full message, Jon details the Rowena and Jim Penman marriage situation under the time of Raymond Cole, then he details the Bill McCammon situation, then the Scott Whitaker marriage situation (which JB also cursed), then he finishes the message with the Justin and Olivia marriage situation.
For ALL COGE members, please...please as much as it may bore or pain you; listen to every message that comes out of that man's mouth. This is exactly why so many current members are missing things he says. You either do not listen to all the messages or as I know some Eugene members, do not attend all Sabbath services. Then when you hear something through the grapevine months down the road, you either doubt it or find yourself searching and unable to find it.
Jon's time is coming. It is only a matter of when and how long God allows it to continue. Over the years what I have seen in him is a level of arrogance unparallel to any man I have ever known in my life and trust me, I've known some pretty arrogant men. Jon's is a whole other level.
I have this to say to the COGE member Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 8:46:00 AM PDT. Jon is not, cannot be a servant of God other than what I write here.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude
Why can I say this with confidence? One, we are told to be aware of these men, which means some work needs to be put in on the part of the Christian to determine it. Secondly, I have proof that cannot be refuted. I say this with the utmost confidence, but the bottom line is this; I cannot prove this to those who are not ready for it in mind. Those that are ready, need only ask.
Knowing the Church they will pull those sermons so no one can hear them.
You don't know the whole story man. Curses for everybody!
Is it possible to save this sermon in another vault in case Preacher John tries to edit or delete it?
Armstrong said he started the church on a Sunday in 1934 (Ironic). If you believe he restored the truth, you have to believe that's true. You can't pick and choose. Either he was or he wasn't God's special man. Now, go read all the plain truths of 1934. Tell me he was anything other than bat shit crazy, and i'll call you a dumbass. Almost 90 years later, still a bunch of dumbasses out there.
Right click on the message, save link.
i DID GO AND LISTEN TO THE SERMON AND MAYBE i AM A DUMBASS BUT i SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. I TOO WAS IN A SIMILAR SITUATION AS THE GUY THAT WAS MENTIONED AND I KNOW HOW EVIL AND DIRTY THE HUMAN COURT SYSTEM IS AND GOD'S PEOPLE SHOULD NOT LET HUMAN COURT HANDLE SUCH MATTER BECAUSE AS MOST OF YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS WORLDS COURTS DO NOT GIVE A HILL OF BEANS ABOUT GOD'S WAYS ARE DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT IS ONE OF MANY REASON WHY THE WRATH OF GOD WILL COME DOWN UPON THIS WORLD. GOD HAS INDEED GIVEN SOME OF YOU STRONG DELUSIONS SO YOU WILL INDEED BELIEVE A LIE. I STAND WITH JON W. BRISBY 1000% OF THE WAY. SORRY I DO NOT TAKE Y'ALL SIDE.
and any of you calling me names will not change my view. Do any of you remember or care about what Korah and his crew did to Moses and Aaron and what God did to them.? Jon was straight up and honest and to the point he did not hide what he did. I love straight up people you can trust them.
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@ COGE member
You just stated you listened to the sermon, where Jon advised Justin to go the human court system to divorce his wife.
Then you tell us God's people should NOT go to the human court system, because its evil, wicked, blah blah.
Do you not see the disconnect in your logic? You stand 1000% behind a person that advises using the human court system, but ALSO condemns it... you my friend are filled with dumbassery.
It took him a year to finally admit he had his dirty hands in it. I knew you weren't really interested in the truth. Now you are comparing Jon to Moses. And now you are pronouncing a curse on everyone who disagree with you. Just like Jon does with those who don't worship him. You are into Jon worship it should be Christ worship. If anyone has a vale over their eyes sadly it, is you. Tell me when did it start that we don't have follow the rules of the land and ignore judge's rulings? Only in divorce and remarriage or can we pick and choose as we will it? You are a liar as one said on this post and the truth is not in you. Remember it took Jon a YEAR to admit it. In the meantime, he was trying to destroy some one character through the pulpit, and you find that ok? signed silly boy
A priest is trustworthy if he helps a man divorce his wife because she took the kids to the doctor??
The Korah Rebellion; The classic tale of an ordained clergy member unsatisfied with the leadership of the group so he stages a coup within that organization and takes people away with him.
Sounds like what Herbert Armstrong did.
Sounds like what Raymond Cole did.
Sounds like what every COG splinter did.
The clergy always misapply this tale to the laity, as if Korah started some grassroots rebellion against the Levites... no, Korah was a Levite.
Are members required to get permission from the priest to go to the doc/hosp? or take the kids to the doc?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It took him a year to finally admit he had his dirty hands in it. I knew you weren't really interested in the truth. Now you are comparing Jon to Moses. And now you are pronouncing a curse on everyone who disagree with you. Just like Jon does with those who don't worship him.
Some of you are beyond help at least from my point of view. But no matter what you are going to keep your feelings and thoughts and your hatred towards Mr. Armstrong, Mr. Cole and Jon Brisby, I will no longer waste my time with ANY OF YOU. May God help you. Bur remember what Christ said about the enemy. If they call HIM a son of Baal and HE was and is the son of God, how much they will also call HIS true servant also. So go on believing what you believe, Interpret the Bible anyway you wish you are going to do that anyway. And Christ in the flesh can convince you other wise since some of you rather believe lies then Christ will hand you over to a reprobate mind. May you that have this hate in your minds and hearts get rid of it by the power of God before either your deaths or the actual and literal return of Christ. Farewell!
The clergy always misapply this tale to the laity, as if Korah started some grassroots rebellion against the Levites... no, Korah was a Levite.
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 6:02:00 AM PDT
As if Levites can't sin against God and want for themselves power and authority God did not give them, so how do that proves anything? Did they indeed get swallowed up by the ground? Or is that too a lie in your eyes? Stop calling God a liar!!!!
COGE MEMBER said...
"I will no longer waste my time with ANY OF YOU."
This isn't an airport, you don't have to announce your departure. Good riddance! You shouldn't be here anyways. Your god in the flesh, Jon Bribesy, is weak if he requires you to come on here and defend him.
It is too bad you lack compassion for those who have suffered from Jons hand. You have not once spoke about these people unless you think all these people are lying. The Levites were chosen by God to be the priest and take care of the temple duties. It is sad that you worship Jon so much. I feel you are this way because you are a woman. Only a woman would call someone a silly boy. Signed silly boy.
Cog member,
Plain Truth, June/July 1934, page 5 "...the year 1936 will see the end of the Times of the Gentiles.... we may expect the present worldwide depression, time of trouble and fear of war to continue until the year 1936!... quickly after that time, we may expect to see the heavenly signs of the sun and moon becoming dark, the stars falling.... which shall be followed by the 'Day of the Lord."
Right there, the very beginning of your leader, a false prophet that the book of Deuteronomy demands we throw stones at till he dies a horrible death, for the sin of false prophet. He certainly never apologized. You're in a cult. You are what Jesus warned us about.
Does JB come on here and ever make any comments?
Was lying on the couch, I hear my heart beat, I felt fear. What If I die now? What could have been the things I shouldnt have done? We dont live forever. Any moment we could die. Forgive. Stop Hating. Satan wants us to Hate. Its our responsibility to also forgive. I also hated so many people in my lifetime, but we all have to overcome this, you all know this
Do you think Jon would come on this blog? No, he would send his minions to do it. Or those who worship him. Just my thoughts on the issue.
Pastor John showing a level of arrogance and snobbery in the Aug 2021 sermon regarding the man he told to divorce his wife. He seems so proud of himself, practically bragging. His eyes shifting around like threatening some bad kids. Was that recording made in front of an audience? Or only in front of a camera for posting on Youtube?
If you fear death, you are indeed not close to Christ. Take that feeling as a hastening to awake quickly, now is the day of salvation. To die in Christ is gain. Jesus says those who believe in him will never die. Paul says absent from the body is present with the Lord. He says though this flesh will fade, there is a Tabernacle in heaven, not made with hands. Christ is the living water, and the God of the living not of the dead. Those alone are promise of existence between the bodily death and physical resurrection. You're right, don't be full of hate. But as you awaken from the cog slumber, you will need to accept Jesus Christ as your savior, and make your prayers full of worship, thankfulness, greatfulness, awe and wonder for the grace of God. If you awaken without doing that, the devil will come at you, I assure you. The devil wants to either scare you back into the cult, or turn you against God and religion altogether. Or, awaken and You will begin to learn that God's measure of righteousness will have absolutely nothing to do with what day you "did pentecost," God's measure of what righteousness He finds in you will be how much of His Son he sees inside you through the holy spirit.
Just don't eat non organic produce or recognize anyone's birthday and you should be good right?
If you can stand to hang around him long enough he will help you get free from unconverted spouse. Seems like he has another one in the works.
If he is doing this again, SHE should sue Jon Brisby and the church for alienations of affection. MEANING: Alienation of affections is a common law tort. Where it still exists, an action is brought by a spouse against a third party alleged to be responsible for damaging the marriage, most often resulting in divorce. It does depend in what state you live.
You should not question the authority of someone destined to be God as God is. He might send extra curses back through time, causing you to stub your toe twice as often as normal
He gives all those marriage sermons not because he believes it but to protect himself from lawsuits.
My advice is to never go to the ministry regardless of which church you are in for marriage counseling. They will almost always favor one or the other based on personal bias. We've seen it time and time again through the HWA churches. When will we learn? Seek someone who has no personal knowledge or vested interest in either the husband or wife. You will always get steered in a better direction. if someone (especially a minister) trys to tell you you have to get counseling from a minister in your group and then sights doctrines because of it, should be a huge red flag. You cannot find it in the Bible period.
Jon from the pulpit concerning Justin and Olivia said WE better pick the right side. Meaning we better pick Justin. He did these many times through this last year and 2021. I just wonder when he is going to make Justin a minister. Just wondering.
The picking sides thing is a fear tactic. He makes it about salvation in hopes that he scares you into siding with him. He has done this many times with many of the situations he himself has stirred up in the past.
Now, all of this in contrast to his latest message on perfecting the saints. He says he does not use coercion or fear tactics. He says it is your faith and your free will to make decisions. Now does he believe that or not? Clearly the answer is that he does not, and even if he did believe it, it's clear he doesn't care. To have you to conform to his edict is of far greater significance to his ego than to actually follow God. Sounds a little bit like Satan pulling a third of the angels away does it not? I bet Satan coerced them. Probably told them to pick the right side because a big battle was coming and they didn't want to find themselves on the wrong side.
Listen Brethren, let God be true, and every man found to be a liar.
Are the videos on the church website recorded live during church? Or pre recorded for the website?
That was an odd sermon to listen too. It is hard to explain, and it was kind of syrupy.
This particular message (perfecting of the saints) looks to have been recorded live. The opening caption says it was given on the displayed date. I'm not sure what difference it makes. He's just as ballsy and arrogant either way.
His eyes looking around during his speech like he is threatening to kick somebody outa church. How many can he afford to kick out?
He can afford to kick them all out. He's sitting on $1.7M of "church" assets that he owns.
A member who makes large donations has a wife who refuses to join. This member wants to get free from his wife and marry J's sister. Do you think the big donations will help?
No, Jon may want his money but not have him as an in-law. Just my thoughts
Jon sent a monthly letter about Job. If Jon lost everything like Job, how would you think he would react? If he is a true believer, he would be thanking God. Jon has never experience bad things except Sam leaving the church.
Jon is the type of person that cannot get enough of himself, but so was Lucifer. It is only a matter of time before he says something so provocative that everyone's ears will tingle. All of the deception and lies that he has employed up until now, will do him no good then.
Truth said..."Jon is the type of person that cannot get enough of himself, but so was Lucifer. It is only a matter of time before he says something so provocative that everyone's ears will tingle."
Jon has already done this and the members sit there like idiots and lap it all up. They are just like the fools in Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, and Bob Thiel's cults. Their ears twitch almost daily with heresy and they sit there and do nothing.
Anon Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 6:16:00 PM PST, you got me there.
Because the members are brainwashed and dont fit in another splinter group they continue to support Preacher John. They love to hear the juicy gossip of a married couple's dirty laundry and watch the pride of their precious leader kick somebody out of the only try church in the whole wide world. Disgusting!!
Dietary Apostasy, 1.59 Min into his speaking : Quote (reinforce) . Enforcement of Doctrine ? Health Law's has nothing to do with our spirituality or Salvation. Armstrong believed it was merely "a physical FOOD question, rather than a spiritual principle or Gospel subject. Unless a man broke the tenth commandment by lusting after it, the eating of pork did not violate the Ten Commandments, which constitute a SPIRITUAL law (Autobiography, page 487.
The pork issue was extremely important in the first years of Armstrong’s ministry. He did not at that time believe that eating pork was a sin, only that abstinence from unclean meats is a good physical health law.
Mrs. Amy Larson of Portland, Oregon, a church member since the late 1930’s, relates that she once had HWA to dinner and served him roast pork. He said nothing, but took a little. It was only later that she found out he taught against eating pork. He didn’t wish to offend Mrs. Larson’s husband, who was antagonistic towards the church. With reference to our salvation, the laws of diet have no significance....With reference to our health, the rules of diet are still valid rules.
Are the Food Laws Scientific?" by Harold Hemenway, Seattle, Washington: 1987, 33 pages.
"Clean and Unclean Meats," Answers magazine, January-February, 1984.
"Is All Animal Flesh Good Food?" by Herbert W. Armstrong, Radio Church of God, 1958.
"Laws of Health," Chapter 33 of The Bible Story, by Basil Wolverton, Ambassador College Press, Pasadena, California, 1962.
"The Health of The Nation," America’s Promise Newsletter, April, 1987.
"The Law of Clean and Unclean Meats -- Applicable Today?" by Church of God, The Eternal, Eugene, Oregon: 1987, 9 pages.
"Shehitah," Encyclopædia Britannica.
Shehitah, by J. Berman, 1941.
"Trichinosis," Encyclopædia Britannica.
who is this big donor that wants to marry Jon's sister. Location will do name is not necessary.
Clergy should know better than to use SECRET social media apps to advise members regarding their "unconverted" spouse. It is too late to delete anything now!
The Real Truth : Armstrong believed it was merely "a physical FOOD question, rather than a spiritual principle or Gospel subject. Unless a man broke the tenth commandment by lusting after it, the eating of pork did not violate the Ten Commandments, which constitute a SPIRITUAL law (Autobiography, page 487.
The pork issue was extremely important in the first years of Armstrong’s ministry. He did not at that time believe that eating pork was a sin, only that abstinence from unclean meats is a good physical health law.
Mrs. Amy Larson of Portland, Oregon, a church member since the late 1930’s, relates that she once had HWA to dinner and served him roast pork. He said nothing, but took a little. It was only later that she found out he taught against eating pork. He didn’t wish to offend Mrs. Larson’s husband, who was antagonistic towards the church. With reference to our salvation, the laws of diet have no significance....With reference to our health, the rules of diet are still valid rules.
Brisby is doing nothing more than teaching his own made up doctrines by twisting scripture and diluting the truth with a bunch of old WWCG material. The Bible is clear with what we are to do with these men. If your staying because your collecting a paycheck in the church office or were scared into believing your salvation is at stake, please please open your Bible and take your instruction from Christ, then you will know what to do in confidence.
Lots of DIRTY MINDED brethren in this group. I might be packing my bags very soon.
Lots of DIRTY MINDED brethren in this group. I might be packing my bags very soon ? Don't you love sex? Enjoy life live life have some fun.
Our Church here in Philippines does eat Pork. Only time we abstain when Brisby is around and feast time. Let's never make judgment on food or drink. We eat with thanks. Pork here reasonably priced and allows family to eat.
Brisby eats like a king. He has money we don't!
If Herbert Armstrong could eat pork there is no reason you cannot. Brisby has no say in the matter, particularly when cultural matters arise.
Lots of DIRTY EVIL Minded brethren. Inventors of Evil stories, Backbiters and Whisperers. I will join my Italian German compatriots, perhaps they are better. Aufwiedersehen, Ciao!
It doesn't matter what HWA did our rule is, what did Christ do. Being a Jew, he did not eat uncleaned foods. After all he is the one who gave the list to the Israelites in the Torah on this subject. You are using a man for and excuse to eat pork.
How will he know if you eat pork? Does he have people spying and tattling on each other? Will you get kicked out if he finds out you eat it?
Elaborate on the parts that are offensive to you.
Mr Brisby is God's servant and cannot preach error. What is happening is that Satan has been allowed to enter the minds of certain members and is leading them astray by making all kinds of false allegations. Mr Bisby remains true to the Word of God. If you do not like it then leave!
Anon Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:22:00 PM PST seriously? Wow, you better open that Bible because you are way off. Error is about all this man preaches anymore.
"Lots of DIRTY MINDED brethren in this group. I might be packing my bags very soon."
It's not our fault Jon likes tight pants and we can tell if he is a gentile or not. Driving fast cars makes him doubly sexy.
Brisby helps members to hide money from their spouse.
which allegations are false?
All of these allegations are false. To be a minister of God you need to be sinless and pure in God’s sight. Mr Brisby is without sin and speaks God’s word as God dwells within him.
1 John 2
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:09:00 PM PST
Excuse me did you say Jon Brisby is without sin and pure? Every human is full of sin, only Christ is pure and sinless. So, are you putting Jon right up there with Christ? Surly you are joking right?
Yes they are joking. This particular person gets on here every now and then and says this nonsense. I suppose they they think they are riling people up; but in reality are acting like nothing more than the backside of a donkey, trying to sidetrack a serious conversation about the man of perdition out there in Eugene.
man of perdition out there in Eugene.
Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:22:00 PM PST
Let's Get the Real Facts. That Man will claim to have Christ in his flesh. I hear Jon saying those things right? He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.
publicizing that he himself is God by saying Jesus Is come into his Flesh.
Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? What Things you may ask. Well I can hear Raymond Cole saying we can Never place a Fence around ourselves. Just what did He mean by that? Well God could use anyone and rise him up and send Him. God is not restricted Limited by any man! He can and will use those rejected by those Pastors claiming to speak in Jesus name. Who are those living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious? A voice cries: “In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Hear This or will you be stubborn and rebellious rejecting Mr Cole? Who will you hear ? Luke 19:40
He answered, “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out .
A member has an unconverted wife. He wants to get free from this burden and marry JB's sister.
Well, he can't marry Jon's sister, he would be divorced. That would be considered adultery. Better luck next time.
Truth said...
"Yes they are joking. This particular person gets on here every now and then and says this nonsense. "
Its not nonsense! Even 2:58 knows he says this:
"man of perdition out there in Eugene. Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:22:00 PM PST Let's Get the Real Facts. That Man will claim to have Christ in his flesh. I hear Jon saying those things right? He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God. publicizing that he himself is God by saying Jesus Is come into his Flesh"
Christ does dwell within Mr. Brisby. A true minister of God must have the mind of Christ in order to preach the truth. Christ's indwelling within Mr. Brisby is a fact! If you are Christ's personal representative preaching the Good News then you CANNOT sin!
There are special circumstances.
Anon 12:15 said:
"If you are Christ's personal representative preaching the Good News then you CANNOT sin!"
Brisby isn't Christ's personal representative nor does he preach the Good News. Ergo he sins.
They made the same excuse for Garner ted Armstrong. He speaks for God; IN the meantime, he was committing adultery with anyone in a skirt. The Ministry turned a blind eye to his sins. This behavior was allowed to continue for years in the Worldwide church of God.
Theres too much gossiping in this group. Too many brethren love malicious invented stories. This vice is being tolerated far too much. It would be satisfying if Jon makes a sermon out of that.
Which story is invented?
I agree, what stories have been invented? Please make clear so we can understand where you are coming from.
Preacher John is not the only one who saves all his emails for future use. He thinks his communication by various "encrypted" apps is private. Think of the shockwave when the unconverted spouse releases that data.
Can't wait to see what his next victim has to save.
Sometimes bec the EVIL of other people's hearts, their wicked imaginations, the evil conceptions of their TONGUES, the Salvation of OTHERS gets destroyed.
Sharing is Caring keep great facts here. We really are sick of hearing squeeze of lies by Jon. Those of us left in CGE truly live in a bubble. It's about to Burst with internal pressure. Why are we told prophecy is not required. Turn your Television on. Watch Wake up . Do we see the sword ? Get your mind's off Jon and onto Christ . Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Do you hear that Spirit in Jon? What a Joke get real! While addressed to human beings in seven churches, All Sleep!
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Drought conditions are worsening here in U.S., Brisby keeps saying we have plenty of water supplies. He is crazy.
If you dislike someone, dislike him alone, don't recruit others to join your cause.
Mr Brisby is God's servant and cannot preach error
Jon has preached error many times. If you had studied your bible, you have seen that. When you tell someone, they can get a divorce over money that is in error.
So whos this person in Olympia, Washington?
In God we trust ? I hear Jon loves Money. 1 Timothy 6:10 to be: For the love of money is the root of all of evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
God has shown us when money begins to control us, that’s when trouble starts. Did not Paul then warns Timothy about false teachers who will seek to warp and pervert the content of sound doctrine for their own greedy gain?
These false teachers do what they do for the fame and notoriety they achieve, along with the financial rewards it brings. Greed causes people to do all sorts of things they wouldn’t normally do in the case. Jesus likens a “love of money” to idolatry.
“Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God” (Matthew 19:23–24). This is a hard saying, especially for 21st-century people living in America. Will you hear Christ or a Man called Jon?
If theres money involved, the church can approve anything. Keep being gullible. Quack.
A member who has an unconverted wife wants his freedom to marry J's sister. Since the wife wears makeup and is not submissive he can divorce the wife and free to marry J's sister.
The man would still be committing adultery. It would not take place at all. By the way how do you know this guy and his wife?
"BECAUSE INIQUITY SHALL ABOUND, THE LOVE OF MANY SHALL WAX COLD"
Brethren should be very careful of what comes out of their mouths, what they say, their evil imaginations and inventions of their twisted minds. Otherwise, it cause others to STUMBLE. I am one of them. I thought I can find someone I can look up to in this group, only to find lots of backstabbings and gossip. Even from the mouths that I thought who really care.
Hey guys, I plagiarized some more hymns for you. All the non scriptural references to Jesus, blood, cross and holy spirit have been removed, so it's "more scriptural" now. Also, all true faith once delivered special music should sound like a barber shop quartet, not that sappy sweet worshipy crap. Good job George. I like boobs too. Currently, I'm working on a new version of that heretical "Amazing Grace" gospel favorite. That repugnant "grace" word will be completely replaced by "Loma.". Surely this version Jon will allow to be sang for special music.
Oh you are gonna be in so much trouble!!!!
Twas Loma who taught me to fear! All good members have her picture hanging on the wall. Mine's in my prayer closet. Sometimes when I walk by, I make the sign of a stake... she gets it. I smile, she winks at me, we laugh. Carob for dinner.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anon on Thursday, October 27, 2022, at 9:21:00 AM PDT. I was told by a close source that it was about 30 in Oregon and around 100 in TN. I was actually surprised there were that many in TN. I knew Oregon was/has been dwindling for some time now. But they grow at a rate of 30% a year right ;). Wow dude you are either brain dead or just plain STUPID. The WCG grew at 30% a year on avearage and not the Church of God,the Eternal and if you knew so much about us you would also know that we do not expect to be a large church and just because we are not do not mean God can not use us. But I think you are just being a jerk. Just so you know no church group since the WCG have grown at that rate,they increase due to the membership of the WCG members coming out of that church so they are getting members that were once part of the WCG. So if you going to rag on us....GET IT RIGHT bozo.Get it right and remember Christ Himself preached to thousands doing His earthly ministry and on the day of Pentecost only 120 were gathered to receive the Holy Spirit.
and how many did you have at your Feast or did you even attend one and would rather be with your wife on a cruise like someone else on the blog stated? Remember Jon can not read hearts and minds (but some of you creeps think that he thinks he can) but God does and when your life start to go from bad to worse think about what you are saying about a servant of God. Things some of you say should be kept to yourselves. Vile and nasty things. Also remember God defends His own, just like you would defend your children in the flesh.
Dietary Apostasy? Jon is twisting scripture, and attempting to link commandments to something physical in order to make it salvational, i.e. covetousness. Ask yourself, why is every message you get about physical things and not spiritual? Clothing, food, hairstyles, beards, etc...Is Jon preparing you for what is coming? Or is he attempting to make you look white on the outside to everyone who sees you? Remember, God is the only one who truly sees you, and trust me; if you have done the spiritual things that moths and rust will not corrupt, Christ is not going turn you away from the Kingdom and his family for eating an occasional slice of pie. Sounds pretty dumb when you think of it that way doesn't it? Oh and fyi, it was Litz we dubbed for giving the sugar sermons back in the mid 2000's, not Jon. Not that it matters, he probably just thinks it's cool to take credit for it.
Church of God the eternal is dying at 30% per year not growing.
Mr Brisby is God's servant and cannot preach errors. No lie is of the truth. Christ dwells inside his body.
Sounds like pope worship
Mrs. Brisby's cooking gave me gas all through the service and could not concentrate on the words coming to us.
Cult
He is in Europe now? He must have collected a lot of $ at the feast. How many members are over there that he really needs to spend all that $. Why not have a zoom meeting? Or is he just on personal vacation?
“ Mrs. Brisby's cooking gave me gas all through the service and could not concentrate on the words coming to us.”
No need to worry about that. Since it is Christ speaking to us through Jon, his words are inculcated in our minds already. Her cooking is bad, but Christ’s words are more powerful.
Why would Christ be hanging around in a corrupt body like Jons. That would make Christ corrupted as well. Where is your proof that Christ is in only Jons body? And if Christ is in Jons body, why does Jon still get speeding tickets for breaking the law. Just curious.
Who says Jesus can't get speeding tickets. He dives a Honda Accord, but doesn't brag about it.
"For I did not speak of my own Accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it."
He loves his personal vacations AROUND THE WORLD. Having traveled to many places including meeting those The Kangaroo Chronicle's in Australia over 20 visits.
Herbert W. Armstrong only seen those Kangaroos once in his life time. Yet he is Accused by Jon traveling the world giving gifts. Get the real Facts. Pray and Pay = World Vacation's his family would be laughing at us. His amusement is your tithe. Are those Kangaroos still present in Sydney after hearing Jon?
I don't bemoan Jon's travels around the world. Christ was unable to travel like Jon, and now that Christ dwells in and inspires Jon, Christ can see the world through Jon's eyes. What a great way to spread the gospel message!
Good grief. You people, are crazier than hell!
Herbs definitely found an untapped market when he went after and coralled all the crazy nutts rolling around America. Like a cowboy herding quacks. A quackboy
Christ created the world. He doesn't need a man going around the world so he can experience it. Some people really need to read their Bible.
I want to wish a happy Thanksgiving to all the churches that keep thanksgiving, always giving thanks to our creator who takes care of us and provides for us.
Poor ignorant fool, please refer to "faith once delivered # 429, the truth about thanksgiving.". HWA only allowed thanksgiving in WW because a rich tithe paying turkey farmer was in the church once, and God needed his tithes to pay for Armstrong's 3rd airplane. But COGE restored the lost gospel and the truth about Thanksgiving being the devil's favorite lie. If you celebrate Thanksgiving, you are giving thanks to the devil. If we find out you're keeping thanksgiving, we will follow you to your house and confront you about your demon worship! I bet you use playing cards too, don't you? Oh the lake of fire will be so full. Never say we didn't warn you
A member has a wife who refuses to join. She voted in the recent midterm elections and now has spent over $200 on grocery to cook for pagan thanksgiving. This member wants to be free from his unconverted wife and marry J's sister.
Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 4:52:00 AM PST
How do you know all this? How do you know this family? You never answered my question from before. How would you know what she spent on groceries? And that she voted. Something is not adding up here. Are you the husband of this wife? or are you just a troublemaker?
Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 4:52:00 AM PST
For nothing is secret that will not be revealed, nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to light.” jeremiah-33-3.
We have Revealed to you hidden Darkness in our Church.
I left this Church after i was advised not to eat Duck Meat. Hunting shooting and eating Ducks is a Blessed Gift.
Should controversial pastor Jon Brisby have to pay a speeding ticket ? Jon says he just puts his little white collar on (He's Catholic Trick) and he never gets written up. Is this normal?
i've written to several preachers and i will continue to do so as long as they continue to violate the laws of the great state of texas and Or.
"Guilty, or not guilty?"
Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 4:52:00 AM PST
You say all things will be revealed, I am waiting for you to stop playing games and reveal why you know so much about this family inner workings.
Some of you are like set concrete so there is no point in discussing anything with you. Jon's sister know that if this guy divorces his wife and she is still alive she could not GOD legally marry him. So like someone said on here you people are just trouble makers self-righteous just like JOB friends even after God told us that Job was a righteous man. But when you refuse to hold on to the truth God will allow you to do that and since you didn't your level of spiritual understanding is lacking. That is how you know you are of the Faith if you understand spiritual concepts. You people on this blog think carnally. Jon could say that the sky is blue and clear and some of you would see a sky of a different color with scattered clouds. But in the end we will all know who is who and who makes it into the kingdom of God. May God open your minds and grand you repentance for talking ill about a servant of His.
Olympia Washington
Shaking my head at Ignorance ,
We know your in the Office.
Ha! I think the Church Office is infested with Gossipers! Lol
I was really optimistic at the beginning as part of this group. I really thought members are matured Spiritually and can help me grow, overcome my carnal self. Later, I hear a little gossip there, here a little there a little, all false malicious stories abt me, about others, you'd be accused of thinking and doing things that didn't even came into your own mind! I can't believe what I am seeing actually. So here I am back again at square one, contemplating which WCG offshoot to turn to. Thank you evil minds, backbiting tongues and sarcasm.
Happy Thanksgiving from the Office Staph in Eugene OR!
We got plenty of sermons about gossiping, and the biggest offenders was at headquarters and the ministry.
Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:04:00 AM PST
You cannot blame this site for your undoing. Your salvation is in your own hands. You are being judge by what you do, not what others do. So, stop trying to blame others. Study the scriptures. Let it be your guide.
Or are you one of those people who blame everything on others?
There's an ogre in the Sherwood forest. We all know he has white sugar ice cream in his freezer.
If anyone there is paying attention, why is it that you always hear Armstrong's name repeated and not Christ's? That in itself should be tale tale of a huge problem. And what is the deal with Bob Burke? The more these men Jon has ordained speak, the more they attempt to model him. First Dave, now Bob. I mean their facial ticks, movements, expressions, tone; they are all looking the same. Both scary and weird at the same time. Same spirit?
just thinking this Faith once delivered might become - I am rich I don't need nothing attitude - while members tear each other apart with their own malices and behave like Egyptians. Go read the scriptures? It isn't abt that. It's doing it, living it. Getting Fat and getting vain with the title - We are the Champions of faith once delivered - while continually making up stories, allegations, imagining evil against ur own brethren. What vanity - no wonder it's also written: The best of them is a brier and a thorn. Have you heard abt Iron sharpening Iron? Or is it now backstabbing with Iron? Only after a year or two, I was already accused of things I can't even imagine doing. And yeah, if the Church Office Management (whatever ye call em') leads? cultivates? this art of dealing with its members, one does need to wonder, right?
So yeah, some sulked already, depressed, suicidal, hiding in their dark rooms, confused with the mixed signals of evil in a so called upholder of the true faith, not even a so called brother called them, ask how they are, instead, getting judged, while judging is common. As for me, I am at my rock bottom. Who likes to associate and fellowship with so called brethren who are so QUICK TO THINK EVIL against you? Now I understand why some did that, bec others are just so vicious in their attacks, others throw insults with their subtle innuendos, all coming from their own decrepit minds. I can't be blamed, I am all armed maybe, or better to leave and find some other environment more healthy to grow. If available.
In conclusion:
Have fun in your sarcasm, have fun in your insults, have fun in the manufacture of your evil thoughts. May you continue to imagine evil of others, until you know in your thoughts, you're no different to others you smear and laugh at.
Which parts are imagined?
Kim made Jon ice cream she uses brown sugar. it's still Sugar no matter what. Jon without doubt loves Sugar.
COGE is not a place to learn Christianity, Christian love and or charity. It's for hardline ex-worldwiders only. No one is going to hold your hand there. They don't even really believe in praying for people. They'll snap "God does what he wants whether we pray or not!"
Spot on. It is only a place for hardline WWCG followers, not Christianity.
It is a place for members to get approved by supreme leader to dump their unconverted spouse because of putting up a christmas tree.
A Christmas tree?! That's aweful. The member should pray curses on their unconverted spouse. Maybe God will kill them and they can be free to have a proper spouse who is obedient and makes home made unleavened bread with organic whole wheat flour
JON is returning home from his 2-week vacation from Australia. I thought you had to get the vax to enter Australia. Maybe I am wrong.
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If some of you were not so HATE filled you might learn something. With hearts and minds like that God will not show you real spiritual things.
Shaking my head at Ignorance
Jon goes to Australia you say he is on vacation. If Jon didn't go to Australia you would say he does not love the brethren. Poor Jon can't win with you people. Jon must touch on sins in your lives that you can't forgive him for....poor Jon. By the way he is treated proves that he is a true servant of God. When Christ visited the Jews in the 4 gospels were Christ on vacation too! God rebuke you evil minded people. Are some of you pissed off because you want to be ministers so you can lord it over the people that just want to serve God. Tell me one organization on earth that do not have someone in charge? Don't the body of a person has a head that controls the rest of the body. Christ is the head of the Church but He does have leadership in that Church and the leader the physical leader is a man and that man is Jon. There was a man in the COGE years ago that was pissed because he did not get to be a minister and blamed Jon for ordaining two men that were ministers in another splinter group. So you all just keep hating and being evil and see what eventually happens to you. God is love and not hate and bitterness like some of you are. And when i say SOME I mean SOME and not everyone reading these posts. And you know if you are part of that SOME.
Boy you sound very hateful toward people who don't believe what you believe. Most of these people here have had dirty dealings from Jon.
When members reject Mr. Brisby they are rejecting Christ himself! The spirit of Christ dwells within Mr. Brisby. You are also blaspheming the Holy Spirit because the Spirit of God inspires all he says.
Shaking my head at ignorance, clearly you haven't been stabbed yet? I miss that feeling - the Innocence. :)
People here have had many dirty dealings with Preacher John. Such as having him advise a member to divorce his wife for refusing to join, wearing makeup, xmas. And also leading that member to believe he can divorce his disobedient wife and marry John's sister.
Truth is there are many false accusers who comment in this thread, but there also some who have been genuinely badly mistreated by continous sarcasm, insults and product of negative thinking. Their purpose is to destroy, I do not have any desire to destroy, neither do I believe all allegations against Jon. I just want to point a general condition that I oberved, also due to my personal experience.
Jon is not the issue. A false religion is. All your issues are the result of being bewitched by a charlatan on the radio. Not big bad Jon. Jon is a victim. Once you can pull your head out of your ass and carefully evaluate the "plain bullshit" from the 30's and 40's, you wont fear any condemnation from a bunch of cult members. But you do feel bad for them.
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:27:00 PM PST
There may be false accuser, but many are telling the truth about their experiences. People want to give Jon a pass Like he some angle that would never do anything to harm people. For some reason with Jon worshippers, they cannot believe that would ever happen, so they put everyone as false accusers and liars because they can't wrap their mind around it.
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Boy you sound very hateful toward people who don't believe what you believe. Most of these people here have had dirty dealings from Jon. Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:14:00 AM PST
Maybe he told you something that you did not like and agree with and you took it the wrong way. And if that is true, and what he told you were true, then you do not have a humble spirit and do not tremble at God's word. As long as Jon told this person that though he divorced his wife he is never-the-less married to her then what is the problem with that. Based on what I have heard and listened to she had already filed for divorce and she got bitter because she no longer wanted to follow the faith that she once did and he continues to do so. Please stop bad mouthing Jon or any minister of God. Why can't you just keep your thoughts to yourselves in that way you do not get anyone else involved and cause others to sin against God. Some of you tell people that try to defend Jon that we should read our Bibles, Perhaps it is you that are saying that should read your Bibles with the Spirit of God. But only you know whether or not you have His Spirit. Two can not walk together unless they are in agreement and both parties can not be right.
@Shaking my head at Ignorance
Jon advised a man to divorce his wife in order to control the family assets. He stated this in the sermon:A Recent History of Ministerial Judgments.
Anyone that says she divorced him is a liar. The court records show that the man divorced his wife.
Very true. You can know under Jons rule divorce over money. Where does it say that in the bible. Not even Mr. Cole taught that.
And another similar situation going on right now. Seems like JB likes these "projects"!
@Anonymous Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:27:00 PM PST
There may be false accuser, but many are telling the truth about their experiences....
Yep, don't worry, I believe you, Jon is not perfect, SO ARE WE. So maybe that's what Christianity is all about, if you care abt that still. Jon is better than other ministers I knew in the past, I've probably met the worst in the WCG. At this point of time, I am still kinda offended, but I don't have plans to continue in this state forever. Can't continue with this negative feeling, it will only OBSESS us to hate or grieve and Satan will be the winner.
Forgive. Try again. Forgive. Try Again. Repeat...
You keep ignoring what people have gone through. You are not addressing the issues here. And still keep acting SO self-righteous. You are not here to even learn you are here to worship a man who YOU feel has Christ in him. If you met ministers in WCG then you are and old person.
By your own word you have met bad ministers. Why can't you believe this of Jon. There are so many stories here about what has gone on. Why don't YOU forgive others on this website.
A member has a wife who refuses to join. JB has advised him to divorce his unconverted wife. This member wants to find a way to marry J's sister.
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