One group of people in the Church of God that has endlessly frustrated various self-appointed modern-day splinter group leaders are those people who declare their selves as "independent" COG members. They hold fast to what they have learned over the years as the truth they have come to believe and this frustrates the various upstarts to no end.
These people have not joined any of the top splinter groups and choose to instead stay at home, meet in small groups in various places, listen to tapes, or visit various COG's any time they want to do it. Sadly, it is a vast group of people that all of these splinter leaders see as potential money streams, and nothing more.
That brings us today to our favorite buddy of this blog, who is none too happy that these independent thinkers have not joined up with his a little group. They deliberately stay away from him and this concerns him. Because they refuse to join him they will not know when to flee to Petra! Only by joining up with him will they be told the correct time to flee. By joining up with him they will then become the TRUE Philaldphian church and will no longer be independent Laodiceans.
Do not allow yourself to accept the deception that you should be an independent Christian or one not truly truly part of the Philadelphian remnant.Only by joining up with the Great Bwana will you become a Philadelphia Christian! Utter tripe!
The Great self-appointed Bwana writes:
Who does God want to gather together?
As stated before, the end of the age Christians. Notice what Jesus stated and something the Apostle Peter wrote:19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. (John 15:19, NKJV)
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. (1 Peter 2:9-10, KJV)
This is a peculiar people. These are people who the world does not desire. These are Philadelphian Christians.
How do we know that Zephaniah 2:1-3 is related to Christians? Because the decree is for the end time and because of what else God inspired Zephaniah to write:3 Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth, Who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. (Zephaniah 2:3a)
Excuse me while I clean up the coffee I just spit out..........The above is a reference to Christians as they are to be the “meek of the earth” (Matthew 5:5) and to Philadelphians who “have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility.” These are Philadelphian Christians who understand that church leaders need to have integrity and be willing to be humble enough to accept the authority of a church led by a low-level prophet in the absence of a clear apostle (cf. 1 Corinthians 12:28; Ephesians 4:11-15). They are humble enough to not think that they should remain ‘independent,’ as many who once were part of the old Worldwide Church of God, during this Laodicean time, have done.
Humble Church of God leaders??????? Where?????? Who??????? Well, hold on to your Mystery of the Ages folks, it is none other than our self-appointed prophet of Arroyo Grande, Great Bwana to Africa, Bob Thiel! Woo Hoo! He is the most humble self-appointed church leader the church has ever seen! How can he not be humble when he is doubly blessed? How can he not be humble when people dream dreams about his greatness?
Independent COG members and Laodicean church members should be able to look at this humble man and see God at work in him. People should be so amazed that they immediately join up and send in their checks.
The Great One says:
God inspired the Prophet Zephaniah to write the following:1 Gather yourselves together, yes, gather together, O undesirable nation, (Zephaniah 2:1)
Do you understand what is being taught?
This is a command for end of the age Christians!
Although it has certain misunderstandings, the Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary realized that the gathering together was intended for a religious group or assembly:
Zephaniah 2:1Gather yourselves together – to a religious assembly, to avert the judgment by prayers, (Joel 2:16, “Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders,” etc.) (from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1997, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
When are they to gather together?
2 Before the decree is issued, Or the day passes like chaff, Before the Lord’s fierce anger comes upon you, Before the day of the Lord’s anger comes upon you! (Zephaniah 2:2)
Nothing excites the Church of God self-appointed false prophets than dire warnings of the end times. Their one hope and desire is to see humanity blotted off the face of the earth in order for them to be proven "right." Who can ever forget Rod Meredith getting all red-faced with veins throbbing as he pounded the podium with dire warnings about Germans coming to hang us all on meat hooks in concentration camps, that our youth would be shipped to Europe to be slaves to the Europeans, and that parents would be eating their children due to starvation from famine. He would be so excited he would be panting. These fake self-appointed false prophets demand that their god do this for them.
However, there was an escape route and that route was only available to a highly select few that would heed the admonishments of the self-appointed false prophets. They would be that small remnant, the Philadelphian church.
As stated before, the end of the age Christians. Notice what Jesus stated and something the Apostle Peter wrote:
19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. (John 15:19, NKJV) 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. (1 Peter 2:9-10, KJV)
This is a peculiar people. These are people who the world does not desire. These are Philadelphian Christians.In 2019, just who are those Phialdlephian Christians? Dave Pack says his small group of followers are. Gerald Flurry says his group is. Ron Weinland says he, his dingy wife Laura, and his minuscule band of followers are. COGWA believes they are. LCG believes they are the one true remnant. And there is our very own self-appointed and doubly anointed prophet, Bob Thiel. Woo Hoo!
Bwana Bob he not happy that independent COG members have refused to sign up with his little band of chosen ones. To the great Bwana, they are sitting on the sidelines and will be ill-informed as to when it will be time to flee to Petra or maybe Pella where he will turn over the reigns of his church, in great humility, to that other true end-time self-appointed prophet, James Malm.
Independent COG members and members in various splinter groups need to be reminded that their salvation is at stake because they will not join up with Bwana Bob.
Do not allow yourself to accept the deception that you should be an independent Christian or one not truly truly part of the Philadelphian remnant.Why have I written that Zephaniah 2:1-3 has to do with Philadelphian Christians?Because they are the only ones who will actually ‘gather together’ as they should.Why?Because it is they who will lead the final phase of the work and it is only to the Philadelphians that Jesus promises to protect from the coming hour of trial, also referred to as the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord...
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The decree to ‘gather together’ will be repeated in the area of Judah just before the time of great destruction.
Why a decree?
Apparently, to make it easier for people who read what Jesus said to better be able to understand that Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 and Daniel 9:27b and Daniel 11:31 had been fulfilled.
By whom will the decree be made?
The Bible says:
7 Surely the Lord God does nothing,
Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.
8 A lion has roared!
Who will not fear?
The Lord God has spoken!
Who can but prophesy? (Amos 3:7-8)
The prophet may make the decree personally and/or pass it on to another authority in the church to make.
Which is the only Church of God in the 21st century to teach all of this?
The Continuing Church of God.
If you are not with the group that is leading the final phase of the work will you really be able to flee if you wait until the last moment? While that may be remotely possible for some, remember that God inspired Zephaniah to admonish God’s people to ‘gather together…before the decree is issued.’
Most will discount this and many will scoff. Most COGs do not have any they consider to be a prophet, and those other than the CCOG who claim to, have prophets that have been proven to be false (e.g. PCG, CGPFKG, TPM).
The Continuing Church of God has the same mission and the same commitment to fulfilling Matthew 24:14 that Herbert Armstrong advocated. Matthew 24:14 is a PROPHETIC MESSAGE and it does tie in with world news and the condition of the world.NO, IT DOESN"T! Herbert Armstrong would have bitch-slapped Bwama Bob out of the church so fast he wouldn't know what hit him. No self-appointed vainglorious upstart ever pulled one over on HWA. They all got spit out incredibly fast. So for Bwana Bob to claim he is continuing HWA's teachings is a lie.
Since no later than 2007 I have written that Zephaniah had to do with Philadelphians being ‘gathered together’ so that they would be protected from the coming trial that will hit the earth.
We in the Continuing Church of God “have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts” (2 Peter 1:19, KJV).”The improperly named "continuing" Church of "god" does NOT have a more sure word of prophecy. Maybe a certified liar, but not a prophet, and certainly NOT a "sure word."
We in the Continuing Church of God boldly teach the need for Philadelphians to be ‘gathering together’ today. Will you heed God’s instructions as the Prophet Zephaniah was inspired to write? Would you possibly like to be protected? If so, will you ‘gather together’?So, would you place your salvation in the hands of this self-appointed upstart?
Let the self-appointed prophet know why.
19 comments:
Dear Bob,
Christians are told to recognize apostles, prophets, evangelists, etc. by their fruits. Not by their being fruitcakes.
Batty Bob has diarrhea of the mouth.
Any man claiming to be a prophet certainly is NOT one.
He's more screwed up than scrambled eggs.
The reason we are "independents" is that we have watched over the years the damage that so many of these church splinter leaders have used against members. You are correct in calling him "self-appointed". God certainly is not at work in him.. I would much rather sit at home and study than join up with Robert Thiel. I knew him in the early years of LCG. Arrogant prick!
Well Mr. Thiel, Why would I as an independent want to join together with you when you openly bear a false witness and have blatantly coveted (an office) that which was never given unto you. You broke another commandment by stealing the office of a prophet by pathetic means and absolutely disregarded what your father in the gospel Herbert W. Armstrong said concerning prophets in this day and age.
We as laodicean or Philadelphian independents are waiting for the leaders to humble themselves and repent from the appalling and atrocious behavior that they have and are continuing to exhibit.
If you Mr. Thiel would have just left and started another church without all this prophet malarkey and kept your your mouth shut, you might have been looked upon far differently in the COG movement and those without it.
I think many of the independents have found their "place of safety" already and have learned that they can trust God alone and not men to keep them.
I want to be a "Philadelpian Christian", but it is WAAAAY TO FAR for me to drive, several thousand miles round trip every Sabbath Day all the way to Philly!
I really don't see the need to keep beating old Bob over and over. Yes, I know a little about him, conversed a time or two by email many years ago ….. was not impressed by his RCM adulation before he left that group. BUT, nobody, and I repeat NOBODY knows who this guy is. NOBODY. So why is there such a need to hammer this man? Are the contributors here trying to 'save' those who follow him? Really?
To me it seems more like what Fred Coulter used to do and maybe still does … (I listened to hundreds of his tapes back in the '90s, went to the FOT with them twice). But Fred (probably about the Passover) used to bring up some teaching I had never heard of, from someone I had never heard of, and actually had never thought of any such thing, and then proceeded to destroy this 'straw man' and beat those arguments into little bits. I don't question that 'some' person actually taught 'some' thing, but it was of NO profit to me because I had never heard of any such thing or considered any such thing, nor was it a threat to 'the church'. Fred was probably correct in his destruction of this person and his teaching, but so what??
Wasn't it a teacher named Gamaliel, (or something), who warned the Jews to leave the followers of Jesus alone because IF it were not from God it would come to nothing but IF it were from God the they should be careful, or some such thing?
While I don't disagree with much of the mocking comments and claims against this man, I just wonder why it is so important. To keep people interested in this particular website, to protect …. "who", or is it just fun to beat an old dead horse that NOBODY knows? Just think how fewer people would know who Bob is except for this website. Yeah, I agree his claim of being a prophet is goofy. If he were, he wouldn't have to keep making the claim and demanding to be accepted as such. So what? Perhaps more of Wes White? His self-proclaimed righteousness, knowledge and understanding seems to outdistance any --- except of Dennis! ;-)
I see an absolute need to keep the fire under Bob Thiel. This man is so wrong and is saying so many outlandish things that he needs to be exposed. The more people kept away from his group the better!
Anon 6:06 said:
While I don't disagree with much of the mocking comments and claims against this man, I just wonder why it is so important. To keep people interested in this particular website, to protect …. "who", or is it just fun to beat an old dead horse that NOBODY knows? Just think how fewer people would know who Bob is except for this website. Yeah, I agree his claim of being a prophet is goofy. If he were, he wouldn't have to keep making the claim and demanding to be accepted as such. So what? Perhaps more of Wes White? His self-proclaimed righteousness, knowledge and understanding seems to outdistance any --- except of Dennis! ;-)
December 3, 2019 at 6:06 PM
you sound like the kind of person that blames the rape victim for getting raped. You make me want to vomit.
get lost.
...keep the fire under Bob Thiel...
Occasionally in the old PT was a statement that read something like, if we are wrong, tell us. Although correction was seldom heeded, the request was out there. I feel that keeping Bob and other COGleaders on their toes is important, as it should get them thinking - but it only seems to keep them whining.
"While I don't disagree with much of the mocking comments and claims against this man, I just wonder why it is so important. "
Of course it's important! To see a whiny little pimple of a man such as Dr Bob make soooo much of himself is absolutely entertaining, and the fact that he follows this blog and feels that he has to respond to it in a laughably predictable fashion is hilarious albeit pitiful. Good laughs are important, you know.
Dr Bob, please get some help before it's too late!!!
Why do some always need to seek out deep answers? Mocking assholes is just one of those guilty pleasures in life. Negative attention can even be beneficial to the rare perceptive or attentive asshole, because it holds up a very special mirror which, by its shocking nature, can produce change. One can only hope!
BB
I do not really care about the impact of a certain dr healer.
Then I saw the measles situation in Samoa and wondered specificially, for all cited reasons by the WHO, what the impact of anti vaccers might have been. Of course the initial mistake of mixing the wrong vaccine last year by the nurses had a negative impact on the vaccination program. But still the coverag is too low for even the mistake or 4% SDA to impact this big.
I prefer the exposing of fake news over personal attacks and impact studies over fake news.
nck
To a degree I agree with 6:06. Bob’s impact vs UCG LCG PCG etc is miniscule in comparison and pointing out every little dumb thing he purports to be proof of his prophetship only draws more attention to him and gives him reason to shout “persecution.” It’s like the media and Trump. If the media hadn’t focused on so much on every little thing he was going on about during the 2016 election few probably would’ve even heard of him and he’d probably have lost the Republican nomination or the presidency. So perhaps if we don’t give oxygen to these morons they’ll die out quicker than they otherwise would.
I could just as well point to Zech.11 which states that Yahweh is removing His people from the grips of these money hungry con men.
Remember folks, Noah was an Independent. Abraham was an Independent. All the prophets were Independents. John the Baptist was an Independent. In fact, all true Christians ought to be Independents. We are not to join man made religious corporations, instead we are to demonstrate by example, the life style of Yahshua. We are to be witnesses of Him. To spread His Word person to person, especially when asked questions why we do certain things and observe days that the world does not.
It is obvious to the discerning, that Bob is running short of money, so he must gather in more members and supporters. I say to all, don't fall for this. Do your good works by helping others and do away with the middle men that seek your money for their own benefit.
Bob says: "These are Philadelphian Christians who understand that church leaders need to have integrity and be willing to be humble enough to accept the authority of a church led by a low-level prophet in the absence of a clear apostle."
Low level prophet? "Dr Robert Thiel LLP" Now there's a credential!
Christ said 'beware of the Pharisees,' so it's hardly wrong for a blog to expose the shananigans of all these 'one and only true church.' Bob makes a good target because he has less sheep's clothing to deceive potential victims. This makes him a good case study of what's wrong with all the splinters.
"I really don't see the need to keep beating old Bob over and over."
because they can't beat him...same thing the Democrats are trying to do to Trump, keep making accusations until they can find something to stick.
there is nothing new under the sun...
In fact, all true Christians ought to be Independents.
False. Jesus appointed Judas as the treasurer of His group, to hold and manage the "organization's" funds. There was even a corporate ladder of sorts, as we see in Matthew 20:20, when the mother of James and John urged Jesus to promote her sons to the highest positions.
What you did NOT have in Bible times was a government-recognized, financially accountable, "corporation" in the modern sense. Furthermore, in the earliest days after Christ's resurrection, many Christians were not just religiously affiliated; they were financially affiliated and held their wealth in common (the real kind, not the satanic Dave Pack counterfeit). It is not wrong at all when God's people cooperate and organize themselves together, and don't try to function as a bunch of detached arms, legs, organs, etc. That organization is not the same as an arrogant man demanding that others become the toes under him while he is the head, but organization can be found even in Christ's own ministry, so we shouldn't shy away from it in our own Christian lives.
The tinfoil hat just doesn't do Dr Bob justice- based on his responses to this blog (including the 'satanic' accusations of Gary), I nominate Bob for a Drama Queen crown!
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