Tuesday, May 24, 2022

Speak Fair, Bold Agabus – Part II

A Mizrahi Rabbi – Agabus Could Have Looked Like This

 

Speak Fair, Bold Agabus – Part II

Where do Prophets and Prophecy Fit within the Church Mission?

 

By NeoDromos

 

This topic is stated as a question because I do not naively envision that I am going to resolve the issue in this short opinion piece.  But on the other hand, I can frame the question and offer my interpretation of some of the critical scriptures.   Where do prophets and prophecy fit within the church mission?  To clarify this concern, it is useful to examine a particular problem that pivots on this question.  Certain men in apocalyptic Millerite denominations have claimed to be prophets.  It is almost always the case that these men occupy the highest seat in a rigorously hierarchical and authoritarian church government. They are not only the claimant to the office of prophet; they are also the head of the organization.   Because of this, they are not typically subject to review or critical evaluation.  This is because the leader’s performance in the role of prophet is shielded from criticism by the leader’s position of power at the top of the hierarchy.  I will term this marriage of autocracy with prophecy the Elitist-Prophet Model.  (It is possible that an autocratic leader who functions as a prophet might permit his prophecies to be reviewed but I do not know of this empirical condition.)  This effectively places the role of prophet, that is to be subject to review, beyond the reach of evaluation by the congregants in an autocratic setting.  This is not how it was in the First Century church.  In this article, I will make a case against the Elitist-Prophet Model. 

 

As a clarification, it is a known fact to most but it is worth emphasizing that prophecy is not synonymous with foretelling the future.  Prophecy has to do with the receiving and communication of special messaging from God.  This messaging may or may not be predictive.  The statements of dogma in the Bible on prophecy apply to both the general case of inspired messaging and also its specific subset of predictive prophecy. 

 

The Egalitarian Gift

 

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy…”  (I Cor 14:37)

 “Now I would like all of you to speak in tongues but even more to prophesy.” (1 Cor 14:5)

“For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged.” (1 Cor 14:31)

“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.”   (I Cor 14:37)

The scriptures above are definitive and prescriptive for the gift of prophecy in the First Century church.  The theme that runs through the first three scriptures above is that the gift of prophecy can be given by God to any member and practiced by any member.  It is not solely owned by or conferred upon the denominational leader.  The fourth verse above is Paul’s word to those who prophesy that they are credentialed, in part, by their agreement with his stated policies in the first three verses. This represents a firm renunciation of the Elitist-Prophet Model where the prophet has to be the leader.  It does not rule out the situation where the leader just may be the one who receives the gift of prophecy, but if the gift of prophecy is active in a church, it makes it atypical that only the leader would be endowed with that gift.  Among apocalyptic Millerites we do seem to have the Elitist-Prophet Model where the leader is always the prophet owing to the autocratic nature of church governance. This autocratic mode is at odds with the normative egalitarian condition that Paul has described in the verses from 1 Corinthians 14 above. 

Agabus was a prophet yet seemed to occupy no position of authority in the church. The four daughters of Philip also seemed to occupy no position of authority in the church.  This is an apophatic argument, based on something that is not stated, but it forms a consistent theme.  Paul, in contrast, as a leader did not refer to himself as a prophet yet he brought to the church many messages from God.  These data points support the idea that the office of leader and office of prophet were likely disjointed.  One might summarize by stating that prophets were typically non-leader church servants who exercised a gift that was granted “so that all may learn and all be encouraged.”   And the fact that the gift of prophecy centers on learning and encouragement implies that the gift more often results in inspired speaking in public worship rather than august and frequently grim pronouncements foretelling the future. 

Warning against False Prophets – the Mandate to Evaluate

 

In keeping with the egalitarian nature of prophecy, there was the necessity for governance and quality assurance to be exercised on prophets and prophecies.  If someone is going to stand up and assert “Thus saith the Lord,” either implicitly or explicitly, in regard to what they are about to say, you are going to want to know something about the origin and background of this claim.  In fact, evaluating the integrity prophets was a part of the charter of the church. Jesus stated:

 

“…False prophets will arise and show signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. But take heed; I have told you all things beforehand.”

And the writer of 1 John stated:

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

The forewarning of Jesus and the instructions of the writer of 1 John charter the plenary church, not just its leaders, to exercise the judicious evaluation of those who claim to be prophets and their prophecies.  Paul states in 1 Cor 14, “And let two or three prophets speak, and let the others discern.” Prophecy was not a pre-emptive proclamation, but was received into an evaluative context.  It was not unilateral but consensual. This means that the prophet might not have understood the full meaning of the message that he transmitted.  The hearers of the prophecy might clarify or augment its meaning.  The prophet is not so much the owner of the message as he/she is the conduit for its transmission.  But in the Elitist-Prophet Model, the prophet is the owner of the prophecy and the value of the unbiased and independent discernment of the church is discarded.  The dual role of prophet and autocratic leader renders the prophecy inviolable because of organizational governance. This makes prophecy pontifical rather than consensual in the church. This was not the intent in Pauline theology.

Early Church Praxis

 

The New Testament mentions false apostles once but false prophets several times.  Paul did not use the term false prophet but he did encounter one named Elymus Bar-Jesus (Acts 13).  His interaction with Elymus is a fair statement of Paul’s attitude towards false prophets. This exemplifies how a church leader might respond to a false prophet but what of ordinary congregants?  After all, the theme of Paul’s writing is that the gift of prophecy is egalitarian both in its inspired declaration and its hearing with discernment. The Biblical charter to identify false prophets is not just for leaders but for the church generally. We may find some historical description of church practice in the Didache. 

 

There are a number of prominent scriptures in the Old Testament dealing with false prophets and what their disposition should be.  In the New Testament, there are similar scriptures.  For what the church did as a practice we may look to the Didache.  The Didache is a First Century church document written in koine Greek that deals with Christian praxis.  It contains a section on prophets, both true and false. Some of it is common sense and some of it is a little obscure.  The important point is that the section of the Didache on prophets is consistent with the idea that the church had the responsibility to evaluate prophets to determine whether they were true or false.  An example statement: “But not everyone who speaks in a spirit is a prophet, except he have the behaviour of the Lord. From his behaviour, then, the false prophet and the true prophet shall be known.”  This means that the congregants must take into consideration the prophets personal history when evaluating what he/she says. 

 

The Didache, on Prophets

 

Conclusion

 

Does the church have the right to enjoin Agabus that he must “speak fair?”  Under the New Testament dogma on prophecy the answer is “yes.”  Under the Elitist-Prophet model, the answer is “no.” And in this there lies a danger to the church.   A prophet that is not appropriately credentialed may lead congregants into error.  Congregants who do not pursue the charter that Jesus and the writer of 1 John asserted concerning false prophets, may become complicit. Everybody loses. And the Great Disappointment of 1844 is perpetuated.

                            

15 comments:

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Neo,

Your thesis about the necessity of prophetic interpretation is important. As with the gift of tongues/languages, the one who delivered the message was rarely the same as the one who interpreted it (and the interpreter was deemed essential to the Church deriving any benefit from the gift). This also reminds us that the interpretation of prophecy constitutes a separate gift from that of delivering a prophecy. Hence, since most of the ACOG folks who call themselves prophets are really interpreting the work of others (Old Testament prophets or Christ), it is inaccurate to designate them as prophets or as having the gift of prophecy. We should also note that we have the example of the Bereans evaluating EVERYTHING that Paul (an apostle and author of Scripture) said (Acts 17:11), and Peter's reminder "that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation" (II Peter 1:20-21). Again, as you suggested in this post, this argues in favor of a corporate or egalitarian evaluation of the message. Great post - well done!

DennisCDiehl said...

Anonymous said...

" A prophet that is not appropriately credentialed may lead congregants into error. "

Any human who thinks they can predict or prophesy future events, with or without a certificate of completion from a true school of the prophets, will lead others into all sorts of foolish life wasting behaviors and endeavors.

Either their ego, personality disorders or personal mental illness challenges are shining through.

A "prophet that is not appropriately credentialed" is like an inappropriately credentialed fortune teller, garden fairy or store Santa at Christmas.

DennisCDiehl said...

Bible "Prophecy" with Dr Robert Price.

Bible Prophecy Failure with Dr. Robert M. Price

"Fundamentalists say the fulfillment of prophecy proves the divine inspiration of the Bible. Supposedly, the prophets predicted Jesus Christ's birth, ministry, death, and resurrection centuries before he existed.

They also supposedly predicted the rise and fall of nations such as Tyre, Egypt, Edom, and Babylon. And they claim to have described the threat of Russia, the founding of Israel in 1948, and the political unification of Europe.

Upon closer examination, the claims do not hold up. The so-called messianic prophecies are taken out of context and have nothing to do with Jesus. This book proves:

• Nebuchadnezzar never made a wasteland out of Egypt for forty years as Ezekiel predicted.
• The world did not end immediately after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD as Jesus had purportedly predicted in Matthew 24.
• The biblical prophets predicted nothing about Christ or Antichrist in the distant future but plenty about apocalyptic doom and messianic glory in their own near future.
• And much more!
Find out why biblical explanations of the world today do not add up and why this matters in The Failure of Bible Prophecy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjWMVV3LkzU

Anonymous ` said...

Dennis:

You strike at a point of vulnerability. There is no experience, as far as I know, that the modern church has with prophets and prophecy in the sense of foretelling the future. In mainstream Christianity it is mentioned only as a historical gift it seems. In the WCG, a denomination very much inclined to predictive prophecy, there was no recognized prophet. The the claim to the office of prophet seems to be something confined to Splinterdom.

Back in WCG days, a nearby congregation had a schism and the dissenting faction had a prophet. I don't know what became of the faction. I always associated prophets and prophecies with oddity. If someone were able to predict the future accurately, I might tend to stay away from them.

Since the gift of predictive prophecy is something that is not present in the modern church, it sounds like fantasy or mental illness. We have instead a kind of lop-sided phenomenon. There are those we might well adjudge to be false prophets based on unbroken strings of failed prophecy, but there are no true prophets for us to learn from. I do not know why there are no Agabus-like prophets around. We seem to witness only Miller-like prophets. But there are many ways in which the modern church in its operations differs from the First Century church.

My view is that the fact there are no true prophets around in Christianity is good news. Those guys usually predicted some grim stuff. If a big meteor were going to fall out of the sky and turn East Texas into a crater and the rest of the world into a cinder, I am not sure how knowing this ahead of time would support the purpose of "so that all may learn and all be encouraged."

I do believe there is prophecy presently in the church in the form of inspired speaking rather than prediction. Another topic.

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Anonymous ` said...

Dennis,

"The so-called messianic prophecies are taken out of context and have nothing to do with Jesus."

This is true at the surface level of reading. The point of christotelicity is that there is a subtext present that we do not always understand.

"The world did not end immediately after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD as Jesus had purportedly predicted in Matthew 24."

This is based on the common conflation of 70 AD events with the Parousia. A careful parsing of Matthew 24 will show the chronological separation of these two events.

Price is a guy who writes a lot about Lovecraft's Cthulhu and believes Christ is a myth.

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Zippo said...

the fulfillment of prophecy proves the divine inspiration of the Bible

This was HWA's argument. I remember when Dr. Hoeh admitted the "Proof of the Bible" was wrong (rebuilding of Tyre) leading to an Ambassador Report article, "HWA disproves the Bible!"

In Bob Thiel's "50+ prophetic errors" he somehow discredited LCG for not accepting his argument that prophecies referring to Samaria are about the US. Okay, he accepts BI (genetic) Samaria (symbolic) - at least the genetic argument has proven false.

DennisCDiehl said...

I'm still laughing over Mike Feazell telling me a few weeks back that the WCG approach to prophecy was to put a picture of a dead sheep on parched ground and say "See, it's the end of time and Jesus is coming soon" That was the absolute truth of "Prophecy Coming Alive" to WCG and to this day in all the splits, splinters and slivers. It is to many fundamentalist churches as well.

Bod Thiel reads the news and sees the end of the world and the Second Coming in just about every story that has the words "Germany", "France", "Gay", "Shooting", "Covid" (And now Monkey Virus no doubt!) and Catholic as sure signs of his prophetic abilities. He has none of course and is delusional. Not as delusional as Dave Pack, who once again says Christ is coming next Monday, but delusional nonetheless. First check

Bob's source of prophetic insight is Fox News I believe...

Anonymous ` said...

"...the WCG approach to prophecy was to put a picture of a dead sheep on parched ground and say "See, it's the end of time and Jesus is coming soon"

I am not sure why the WCG thought we were at the end of the age. Even if they were right about that "no flesh saved alive" scripture, which they are not, it still would not mean that the end of the age is imminent. We have been in "the beginning of sorrows" stage for 2,000 years now. I think this is why Davidian Victor Houteff and various Armstrongists focused so much on calendrical manipulations and calculations. Without the calendar math and the ambiguous Bible chronologies, there is no reason to pin the end of the age to this time.

I think for most prophecy fans, the relevant time period is their lifetime. If they were told with certainty that Jesus would not return until 50 years after they were deceased, prophecy would instantly become a non-issue. Maybe they would start looking at what the New Testament is really about.

Of course, if one recognizes that Jesus is the culmination of OT prophecy, the anxiety of when, where and how goes away.

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Zippo said...

(And now Monkey Virus no doubt!)

I haven't yet read where he "predicted" it, but I wouldn't be surprised if claims he did.

"Prophecy Coming Alive"

That was such a simplistic, optimistic approach to prophecy. PCG recently used the phrase describing the events in Ukraine. GF has claimed "his" prophecies are coming to pass daily.

Anonymous said...

"Without the calendar math and the ambiguous Bible chronologies, there is no reason to pin the end of the age to this time"
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But with the math and the Bible there is a reason.....?? I just can't yet throw out the 6000 year theory.

BP8 said...

Yeah Dennis, let's allow a guy (Price) who believes that Christ and Scripture are myths to interpret the Bible for us. That may work for you but not for me!

Anonymous ` said...

Anon 9:45 wrote, "GF has claimed "his" prophecies are coming to pass daily."

I am not familiar with this preacher, nor have I read any of the publications from his organization. Do you know if this preacher has given a solid example of a predictive prophecy that he proclaimed that later actually happened as prescribed? Could you cite that here, please. Or if any members of his denomination are reading this, could you cite such an example. I am very interested in how this claim is justified.

Thanks to anyone who responds.

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Anonymous said...

Neo re: GF's "prophecies coming to pass"

I was just quoting his claims, and I probably read them in an article or comment in Banned that was quoting him. No, as far as I know there were no examples given, so the claims prove nothing - making them as useful as Bob Thiel's "redictions".

Zippo said...

Re: Bob Thiel and Monkeypox

As I said, I haven't seen anything from Bob to say he predicted Monkeypox, but apparently some British scientists did warn about it, in 1988!