A Point Too Sharp
While reporting on David C. Pack’s “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 392),” some serious thoughts came to mind. These concepts are too sharp to be skimmed past or inserted into a longer article.
No tongue-in-cheek. No satire. No winking.
I preface all this with, “I do not dare place God’s fingerprints on my motivations.” I cannot and do not tell anyone that God is behind what I have been doing since April 15 this year.
The website. The articles. The Facebook Page.
Marc Cebrian is not standing up for the truth. I am not a pillar of virtue. I do not have the answer to, “Where do we go if we leave RCG?”
My goal is to report facts, apply critical thinking, present experienced analysis, and spice it all with humor. I do not hate anyone, and I do not “look forward” to the death of anyone.
That is enough about me.
David C. Pack is not a man of his word, and he tells you everything you need to hear to prove that.
The Pastor General of the Restored Church of God believes he is mentioned within the page of the Bible and takes upon himself those titles accordingly. He fully believes he is the last Apostle of God. He believes his "The Greatest Untold Story!" series is a direct product of God's guidance revealing “The Mystery of God.” He believes part of his commission is to “unseal Daniel” and “unseal Revelation.”
Part 1—November 14, 2015 • Part 392—September 10, 2022
It would take the determination and patience of someone much greater to go back and count all the times David C. Pack set a date starting with Elul 24 (August 30) 2013 up until Elul 20 (September 16) 2022. That is nine years of failed date-setting. And yet, God is leading him? The Bible states that if you declare “a sign or a wonder” even once and are proven wrong, you are not sent by God. Period.
The members inside RCG know their Bibles well. Some verses address this type of thing, but people "give him a pass" for "reasons." All the ministers in the field and at Headquarters are unified “in agreement” about Mr. Pack and all his teachings, no matter how often or wildly they change.
Members have watched their fellow brethren be suspended or disfellowshipped when they bring up certain Bible passages. Can you imagine? Getting thrown out of a Christian church because you quote the Bible? That is horrific.
David C. Pack from 2011 would mark and disfellowship David C. Pack from 2022.
In 2015, he announced that he was Elijah. Later that year, he also declared Elijah was “That Prophet” of Acts 3 and Deuteronomy 18. Since the time of Herbert W. Armstrong, the church understood that Jesus Christ was That Prophet.
A small sampling of highlights from the book written by David C. Pack, “Is ‘That Prophet’ Alive Today?” was featured in a previous article. The opening is satire, but the quotes are 100% accurate from his literature.
When David C. Pack needs something in the Bible to be exact, he stacks up the verses to prove that.
When David C. Pack needs something in the Bible to be approximate, he stacks up the verses to prove that.
A full month. A partial month.
A perfect half. About half.
Seven means intensity. Seven means days.
It has to happen on a Sabbath. It cannot happen on a Sabbath.
It has to happen on Passover. It has to happen on Pentecost.
It has to be Elul 15. It cannot be Elul 15.
The Kingdom has to be exactly seven years. The Kingdom cannot be exactly seven years.
The 1335 has begun. The 1335 has not yet begun.
That is the smallest of examples.
Looking at this from the perspective that God raised up David “Passover” to be His end-time Elijah, ordained him an apostle, and designated him as the Messenger to the Seventh Era and as Joshua the High Priest, how long is it reasonable for any true Christian filled with God's Holy Spirit to continue to follow this man when he gets everything wrong every time?
If you are God in heaven and Your chosen vessel that You prepared to relay Your knowledge to Your people so that Your word remains unbroken throughout all existence, keeps repeating for nine years, "That's what I thought" and “I presumed” and gets every single date he declares in Your name wrong to the point of perfection, can You reasonably consider people walking away from The Restored Church of God as committing a sin?
Is it a sin to call David C. Pack a biblical fraud?
Is it a sin to call David C. Pack a false apostle and false prophet?
Is it a sin to say David C. Pack is not a man of his word?
Is it a sin to say David C. Pack is not being led by God?
Do I, Marc Cebrian, commit the unpardonable sin when I say that the Holy Spirit is not guiding David C. Pack to preach what he has been preaching since 2015? The spirit that guides David C. Pack is a liar. That spirit is a cruel deceiver. That spirit is a confused trickster making a fool of the servant who obeys it. That spirit perpetuates a cycle of disappointment for members of The Restored Church of God.
If the Holy Spirit was truly guiding David C. Pack, Jesus Christ would have returned to earth on August 30, 2013, at the Headquarters Campus in Wadsworth, Ohio.
On the other side, if David C. Pack is a true apostle and true prophet of the Living God properly using the authority of Jesus Christ, then we are doomed to a fate as terrible as the Catholic ever-burning hell.
I would rather that my life be taken from me right now and have the memory of me be obliterated throughout all Creation as if I never existed.
David C. Pack cannot be currently preaching from the inspiration of the One True God, or else the Bible is fiction. The Scriptures have been broken. The Bible is only a collection of antiquated Hebrew poetry and allegory that some Greeks thought was interesting enough to keep the tradition going for a few more centuries. It is an organized mass conspiracy taking thousands of years to perpetrate and would prove to be the biggest hoax in all human existence.
Or David C. Pack is just wrong and is a walking, talking prophetic fraud.
I sometimes wonder if I am somehow doing "the devil's work" and "fighting against God." It does not feel that way. My approach does not seem to fit the pattern of the devil. But, the heart is deceitful. The ways that seem right to a man lead to death. The wicked shall not understand. Sent strong delusion to believe the lie. There are many more verses like that.
The point is that I often consider my ways. Does David C. Pack ever consider his ways? He is God's apostle. He is preaching the truth. "We got something wrong" only because God wanted him to. Done.
We cannot judge the heart of another. But even a child is known for his doings. By their fruits, you shall know them. He who is not faithful in little cannot be faithful in much. Let your yes be yes, and your no be no. The Scriptures cannot be broken. If that sign or wonder comes not to pass.
Weigh the fruits of David C. Pack on the scale and see if they are wanting.
If he is preaching God's truth today, then that means I am headed for the Lake of Fire.
And that is no joke.
Marc Cebrian
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18 comments:
The WCG told us that we had cognitive dissonance because we believed the Bible the way HWA taught it and the way the Tkach's did. I never understood that. It seemed like either you went along with them or you held fast what you had proved already. You can't be right and wrong at the same time. Don't let dave confuse you into thinking he could be right since he's proved too many times he's not. Hold fast.
Thank you Marc, keep up the "Great Work" exposing David Pack!
If there is a way for us to contribute in any way, let us know!
We very much appreciate what your are doing to try to wake RCG members!
If Christ ask you what did you do to save any of the RCG members from eternal death, you can say you worked incredibly hard with your wonderful talents and then Christ will tell you, I know you did... Good and faithful servant!
I really think that Gary should change the name of this blog from “Banned by HWA” to “Banned by DCP”…..
Thank you Marc for your thoughtful commentary as always!
"I really think that Gary should change the name of this blog from “Banned by HWA” to “Banned by DCP”….."
If you don't like the posts about Dave then stop reading them. This is just as childish as your "cowbell" comment every time. Go read Bob Thiel's blog if this disturbs you too much! I am glad Gary, Marc and others keep the heat on these guys.
Just for laughs I went to the RCG home page and viewed the video "A Look Inside The Restored Church of God". Marc if I'm not mistaken, you are in that video. How could this be? I thought you are considered a persona non grata by Davie C Pack and his henchmen at the Wadsworth Compound.
Really, the only thing that would make Dave Pack go away would be if everyone who follows him woke up some morning, thought "Enough is enough! This is total bullshit," and simply abandoned ship. Narcissists must be deeply wounded before they totally capitulate and go off to themselves.
We can try to expose facts, we can attempt to educate people away from a mindset, but the bottom line is that we can't do certain things for them. They have to do those things themselves. We who left the lies and tyranny of Armstrongism sometimes can't understand why others can't sever the cord. But, the human is a strange animal, one who can be intelligent and stupid at the same time, courageous and weak simultaneously, flexible about some things and very closed minded about others. Seems like the key to a good life is to sort it all out and to balance in ways that make one thrive. Nobody needs to drag a horrible lead weight around like DCP/RCG. Life can be so much better than that
"I really think that Gary should change the name of this blog from “Banned by HWA” to “Banned by DCP”….."
If you don't like the posts about Dave then stop reading them. This is just as childish as your "cowbell" comment every time. Go read Bob Thiel's blog if this disturbs you too much! I am glad Gary, Marc and others keep the heat on these guys.
ZOOM…..!!!!
Right over your head….
DCP is a HWA clone.
Wonder how many shakedown attempts from RCG we get on this post?
Anonymous said..."I really think that Gary should change the name of this blog from “Banned by HWA” to “Banned by DCP” "
MY COMMENT - When Marc Cebrian made one of his first Posts here on Banned, I commented something to the effect that maybe Marc could provide some relief for Gary, and that it would afford Gary more time to concentrate on the other Splinters while Marc focuses on Pack's RCG Splinter. Ghastly :) that any of us would ever think that Gary has, and is entitled to, a life outside of this website. This Gary/Marc duo seems to be working well.
I have listened to many of the clips that Marc has posted links to in his articles here on Banned. Frankly, nothing that I have heard Wacky Packy preaching even comes close to what I remember Herbert Armstrong and the ministry preaching during my time in R/WCG. Only Gerald Waterhouse after consuming a couple of belts of alcohol comes close to Wacky Packy.
Before there was Pack, there was HWA. The website name still remains as appropriately named.
Richard
Well said, Richard. We certainly have a birdseye view of the evolution of a religion knowing the former days and seeing the present ludicrous days juxtaposed against one another. It's like "Dumb and Dumber", only with Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels being from two separate generations. Using one of Armstrongism's shibboleths against them, this ain't Darwinism, it's Evilution!
Anonymous said..."I really think that Gary should change the name of this blog from “Banned by HWA” to “Banned by DCP” "
Well yeah since DCP bans his members from checking out this blog and HWA couldn't since it didn't exist when he was alive so.
To me. Bob and Pack are miniature representations of the ACOG universe. So the articles about them apply to all the splinters, minus some cosmetic differences.
Before there was Pack, there was HWA. The website name still remains as appropriately named.
Richard
I can agree with your statement…I hereby withdraw my request to change the blog name…long live Banned by HWA…!!!!!
Ever notice that Dave's head is shaped like a dunce cap? Look at that forehead.
I do not hate anyone, and I do not “look forward” to the death of anyone.
You have too many false morals.
This is better (more ethical): I do not hate anyone who is good. I do not look forward to the death of anyone who is not harmful to the human race.
beyond obvious hate speech alert
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