All of the proud, boastful and vain chest thumping by The Great Bwana to Africa and a handful of Caucasians has now had to put on his martyrdom robes and compare himself to Apostle Paul. The Bob admits he has lost all of his followers in Serbia.
The Bob writes in his letter to his ever dwindling flock about his small group in Serbia that he has touted for a long time as his faithful followers.
Serbia
I am saddened to report that we no longer have an elder in Serbia as he and his followers decided to go in a different direction. Here is some of what the elder Skype-messaged me last Friday:
I cannot consider myself any more a part of CCOG … We have learned so much from you … In any case, thank you once again for everything. I remain very thankful to you for all the goodness you have brought to my life.
When I learned of their departure, it hurt. Now, I better understood how the Apostle Paul felt after he learned “that all those in Asia have turned away from me” (2 Timothy 1:15).
If Paul were alive to day he would kick Bob Thiel to the curb so fast all the wholistic herbs and salves in the universe could never cure the butthurt Bob would feel.
Paul had this to say about apostate heretics like Bob Thiel and the junk theology and myths they preach:
“…stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work–which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.” (1 Tim. 1:3-7)
“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron” (1 Tim. 4:1-2).
“Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. Watch you life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers” (1 Tim. 4:15-16).
“If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain” (1 Tim. 6:3-5).
“What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus. Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you–guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us” (2 Tim. 1:13-14).
“Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some” (2 Tim. 2:16-18).
If The Bob spent as much time talking about Jesus as he does Marian mysteries, Catholic prophecies, pagan prophecies, political conspiracies, CERN, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, and stopped thumping his vainglorious chest all the time, he might be taken a little more seriously. But, No! Foolish and stupid arguments and myths make up 98% of his ministry leaving little to say in regards to the New Covenant or even that seldom mentioned guy named Jesus.
“Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will” (2 Tim. 2:23-26).
“They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres oppose the truth–men of depraved minds, who, as fas as the faith is concerned, are rejected” (2 Tim. 3:1-8).
“In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it…” (2 Tim. 3:12-14).
“Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep you head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry” (2 Tim. 4:2-5).
Elders “must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group. They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach–and that for the sake of dishonest gain” (Titus 1:11).
“Rebuke them sharply, so that they may be sound in the faith and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth” (Titus 1:13-14).
“You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine” (Titus 2:1a).
Last week, I mentioned that we were looking at going on some small radio stations in the USA.
While mourning the loss of our Serbians, it occurred to me that their departure also has freed up funds that we otherwise would have sent to the elder there.
This brought to mind the following scripture:
For I will turn their mourning to joy … (Jeremiah 31:13)
So much for going after the lost sheep...
Well, before learning of the Serbian departure, we had just signed a signed a one-year contract to be on only some small radio stations in four American cities beginning later in March 2023. While we still mourn the Serbian departure, freeing up of funds normally sent for them has resulted in our ability to increase our planned radio presence. So, we amended the radio contract on Monday and now are to go on 12 stations in eight cities across the USA.
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This constituted Thiel's only congregation in all of Europe, which even then, was very small.
Ha! Sasha Veljic has left Bob behind, and now instead has a Youtube channel with material from a certain notorious American minister, Philip Shields. I'm sure some lurker will pop in and remind us of the unacceptable behavior that got Shields kicked out of at last two ACOGs. And now Veljic is promoting Shields' sermons instead of Bob's! What a comedown!
Here you go:
https://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2018/10/survivor-of-sexual-misconduct-of-philip.html
The Journal has this about Philip Shields:
From The Journal, which is still available on the Internet, here is a highly accurate ad asking for help to put him away concerning victims:
"Announcements
Help needed with investigation: An investigation is being conducted by some former members of the Worldwide Church of God concerning possible crimes committed by Mr. Phillip Shields when he was in the ministry of that church. Allegations against Mr. Shields include numerous instances of sexual assault against married women and teenage girls and molestation of girls as young as nine years old. To date twenty-four probable victims have been identified. Six of them have furnished written statements for the preliminary report, which also includes statements by five other former ministers of the WCG concerning Mr. Shields' alleged predatory activities. The report has been furnished to church and legal authorities where appropriate. Mr. Shields currently lives in Vancouver, WA, where he is the host for the Church of the Great God, which meets in Portland, OR. Between 1977 and 1994 he was assigned to churches in Edmonton; Cornwall, NY; Plattsburgh, NY; New Brunswick, Canada; and Nashville, TN. The investigation is ongoing. Anyone who has information that would be helpful in this matter can contact us at PS Investigation, PO Box 3334, Grapevine, TX 76099."
The sad part is, when the ministry of the Church of God had the chance to turn him in, they did not. The effort to silence this sick evil which went on so long in our midst was aimed at silencing the victims.
"Ministry can be a very competitive business."
A quote I heard several years ago at an MLK Day memorial service. Said by a United Methodist Pastor - but it seems to apply here.
The disgusting thing is, 10:50, that when choosing their personal leader, people are not doing due diligence, or applying any measurable discernment. One wonders why, in making what is arguably one of the most important decisions in their lives, someone would 1) Be so careless, 2) Give such a person a pass on their innate pathology, or 3) Assume that a minister with a history of credentials from any of the ACOGs is automatically clean?
There is protection available. Read here! Phillip Shields's name has appeared in comments here over the years. It hasn't appeared frequently as has Kevin Dean's name, but I've certainly seen it. In reading the comments above, I was astonished that the ACOGs hadn't applied their own particular type of cancel culture to him.
But, yeah, I can also understand that if someone lacks discernment, it would actually be possible or even easy for them to jump from Dave Pack to Phillip Shields. It's what happens when you are loyal to a philosophy to the extent that you don't investigate the one teaching it! Or, respecting authority to the point of not investigating those claiming it! It's bad enough when your ACOG claims all your financial blessings, but
horrendous when it claims your wife and daughters! Most of the ACOGs "only" claim your mind!
AFRICA CORRUPTION GENTLEMAN ITS THAT SIMPLE WHY VELJIC LEFT MAJOR VERY BAD VERY VERY BAD SCANDALS COMING SOON
Wonder what the messages said MINUS the ellipsis. Did they tell him he was (wait for it)... too interested in himself?
When you cannot even keep a group together from Siberia!!!! Oh, poor, pathetic Bob.
As to his comparing himself to the Apostle Paul, I have heard him make the comparison before, in an effort to justify his wrong prophetic guesses by saying, See, See...even the Apostle Paul made a prophecy error! No, Bob. Genuine prophets NEVER made mistakes, but you do, because you are a phony!
He claims that Paul made some bad "predictions" , as he refers to them. He is taking Acts 27:6-44,completely out of context, as usual. Paul was NOT prophesying they would die in a shipwreck. He WARNED them in vs. 9. Apostles did NOT make predictions, they spoke the words given to them by God to speak to the people. Paul was not the Amazing Kreskin and you, Bob, are NO Paul! To compare yourself to Paul is one of the most disgusting things you have ever done.
What Rod Meredith would have said in 2012:
"Hey! Why is Dave Pack getting all this attention? I'm just as wacky as Pack; it's just that I'm more politically slick. While Pack simply predicts a reunification, I actually sent my people fasting before God, praying for the destruction of all the other churches so that the faithful can all come under me. (January, 2010). As for Pack being God's designated leader, that's a joke. I wiped his nose when he was a child at AC in the late 60s. I taught him everything he knows. Yes, his techniques reflect on my teaching, but he is just an amateur. He needs to defer to the master. And, he is not a prophet. I am. For years back in Global, when Pack was just one of my lackeys, I was spouting that verse from Amos about God not doing anything without first telling his prophets, and that it referred, of course, to me. I don't say that as much anymore, not because I don't still believe it, but because I have completed successfully duping my membership into believing it. As for a college? Dave can only dream. I've had a college for years. True, it has as its president and founder a man (Michael Germano) who thinks the law of God doesn't apply to the Christian, thinks that the U.S. has nothing to do with Israel, believes in the trinity, and totally supported the Tkachian rebellion in WCG. But never mind all that. I had a college before Dave even thought of one. As for TV? We've got a show with very slick production values and such a wide distribution that it makes Pack ever more the wannabe. Never mind that we're wasting all our money and effort on doing something Jesus never told us to do, namely, preaching the gospel to the world as a witness. Never mind that minor point; our TV show is tops. As for spewing hatred toward the other COGs, Pack's efforts are miniscule compared to mine. I have spent many years teaching my people to despise all the other COGs and the people in them. I've repeatedly stated how all of them are wrong; LCG is the best; I am the most qualified leader; the only original evangelist still alive. And I have countless sermons, articles, and co-worker letters that exalt me and my church above all the rest. We are the Philadelphians, no one else is. Only LCG is going to the place of safety. One thing Pack does understand is that these lies are necessary, not to convince outsiders, but to convince members, so that they will never leave. This has been quite effective. I have made many foolish mistakes and yet they don't leave! It's great! It's like countless get-out-of-jail-free cards! I've actually convinced the fools that LCG is doing a better work than all the rest. That we are a better church than all the rest. That we are the only one practicing Biblical government. In fact, I've even convinced them that concentrating all the power one man (me) is actually Biblical! It seems Hitler really did have it right in Mein Kampf about how, if you repeat a simple thing over and over, it is amazing what the people will believe. Pack needs to take lessons from me. I am the master propagandist. I spew vile hatred toward my brethren at a level Pack can only hope to aspire to. I am the true HWA clone. Further, Pack is a rank amateur when it comes to twisting the Bible. I've done it so often, especially in regard to "the government of God", that even I almost believe what I'm saying!
That YouTube channel is run independent from AleksandarVeljic. He has his own biblical history YouTube channel. Also has his own internet radio
What Rod Meredith accomplished, tragically, after sitting at the at the feet of Herbert. And we wonder where our favorite little flower girl got his fatal dose of arrogance! Same for Flurry, Pack, Weinland, et al. Monkey see, monkey do (or try to). Sickest bunch of men in recent history, every last one.
What is happening in Africa? Must be interesting if it is causing people to leave Bob’s already tiny and pathetically small church.
I wonder how much money was being sent to Serbia? Bob really only ever seems interested in bribing and buying members in Africa. So he can lie about being the fastest growing ACOG on the face of the earth. Wouldn’t a prophet have a dream or something about people leaving his church? If the people actually believed the nonsense of him being a prophet, wouldn’t they be afraid to leave? Seems even the people in his church look at lil Bob as a joke.
It's Serbia, not Siberia. 😅
Is there no room for repentance? I honestly believe a minister just like any of us can make mistakes and repent.
Bob Thiel is too vain and too big of a narcissist to ever publicly repent of the lies he continually tells. God no more had a hand in starting his church than He did with Gerald Flurry and Dave Pack's groups.
Of course, there is always room to repent publicly, but we will never see it with these COG leaders.
Aleksandar Veljic is moving from the town of Uzice to a village near Knjazevac. He has applied to the grant from the Government and was given a small estate where he will raise chicken. No joking, he explains it in his latest video. He is sick and tired of being a tenant, he is 52, doesn't own a home, the Ukraine crises led to the situation where many young Russians have moved to Serbia, and that led to the rents being increased substantially. He cannot afford to pay it anymore. He is not married, does not have a family, and so he is leaving Uzice where he has spent the last 7 years. Too bad you cannot listen to his whining litany. What shocked me is that he is such a narcissist - the way he is voicing his farewell, he obviously thinks of himself as being greater than Tesla, Einstein, Mozart, and Dostoevsky put together. Honestly, the worst case of the Narcissistic Personality Disorder I have ever seen. smh
Farewell Message to my Friends and Relatives by Aleksandar Veljic.
https://youtu.be/vY0YiIwCJ0M
1:13 & 1:19, I wonder how this has affected his decision to leave ccog. Does he plan to set up his own group, or is he just getting out of contact with an organized cog, and what about his group where he was?
I don’t think Veljic moving has anything to do with his leaving CCOG. From what I gather it has everything to do with reported corruption in Africa. Bob’s chosen men leading Africa are constantly lying for more money, the so called Evangelist has been caught soliciting sex from a woman who is not his wife. Also these so called COG leaders rely on witch doctors and spells to get what they want. All of this and evidence has been shown to Bob but he needs the numbers in Africa so he can pretend to be a “real” church of God.
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