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With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
Schleifer isn't wrong about this. God doesn't want us to "be ourselves" when ourselves are liars, murderers, etc. God expects us to exhibit Christian virtues whether or not we are yet mature enough to feel that we're living up to them. If that means "faking" our desire not to murder an enemy or to steal a widow's home, so be it. Indeed, RCG would be a much happier place if Dave Pack and his minions learned to convincingly fake more love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. As things stand, those virtues are visibly absent in most RCG leaders, and the brethren suffer as a result.
Lies are being told to profit a false prophet and their sheep are turned into wolves. They now reflect the leaders of a organization that know nothing about unity. The only thing they know, and are complicit in, is the ambitions of a lecherous leader
While not a fan of course, in this case, I believe I know what he means however it seems to come across. He's not saying to be disingenuous. It is just how it may feel when in transition between not doing so well and doing better with these positive traits. "Fake it til you make it" is not a call to be duplistic, disingenuous or deceptive. So I don't personally find a grievous fault in this particular scriptural encouragement to do better.
It definitely could have been said better, I agree. The issue with this is that he says God tells us to fake it. I don't believe the scripture he is referring to means this at all. Also, I do think there is a difference between faking happiness and then faking kindness, patience, hospitality. You can put on a smile and try to be happy even when you don't feel it but I don't think anyone should fake kindness. There are times where you do have to be friendly when you dislike a person but generally (speaking for myself), it is more to be respectful and the other person is friendly back but we know we don't like one another. I don't know how one could fake being patient or being hospitable though.
although this was my initial thought, it was wrong, and out of context of the scripture as per usual with these fakers. ministers speaking to members of 5, 10, 15, even 20 plus years to fake being kind etc, when they should have grown in these attributes already. in my 15 years, there was a lot of disingenuous people in RCG, who were totally fake and did not understand what Paul was actually saying, the whole book was to the colossians. He was not saying to fake it, but to clothe oneself with the new man, which is never fake.
Fake it til you make it has been kicking around for years in the self-improvement field. It has its usages.
I make it a practice not to watch or listen to these COGlodyte videos, but Armstrongism has always believed in and taught passion on demand. You know, be happy even if something is killing you inside. We all know why they would do this. Virtually all human defense mechanisms erupt in the presence of Armstrongism, and if you don't suppress them and fake joyfulness, you are said to be in a bad attitude.
To RCG members, "knowing" about common is supposed to be a fantastic blessing, as is God's daily revealing of more false prophecies through Mr. Pack
With regards to "faking it", I am painfully aware that for all of the years I was a WCG member, that's exactly what I had been doing. I knew deep down that I was carnal to the core, and I was incredibly frustrated to realize that in truth, my heart wasn't in "the work". In a number of ways, I despised HWA as I thought of him as a stuck-up Victorian prude who ranted and raved incessantly about makeup and other nonsensical issues. And yet I was supposed to pray for his eyesight issues to be healed so that he would be able to complete "the work". I did so, but it was only because I believed that I had to. When we heard of his death, I felt nothing, and it soon became clear to me that I had only been a religious actor wearing a superficial costume of religiosity. Perhaps many members of the church had been doing the same thing but were unable to realize it. When it comes to our human frailties, deep down we are all carnal, and what we might think is overcoming may well be nothing but a self-deceptive external veneer.
Agree. Bradford is putting fake into God's mouth. Into God's word where it does not belong. God would never teach us to be disingenuous. Christ was against those who faked it. I believe he calls them 'hyprocrites'. I know who would be for faking it and that's the devil. Satan, the father of lies.
Fake it until you can't tell anymore. You start to believe it yourself that you are when you aren't. RCG is teaching members to be compulsive liars. Fruitless sermons.
The problem also is that in RCG and other COGS, they stay fake. They don't seem to transition into genuine love, kindness etc. This is proven when someone leaves and they are thrown away like trash.
A rabbi said, do what is right, even if you don't feel like it. Perhaps in time, your heart will catch up with your actions. Our feelings can impact our actions, and the opposite is true, also. Psychologists know that if you try to act happy, you can elevate your mood, etc.
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Dave Pack FAKED being an apostle, Joshua the High Priest, That Prophet, and Elijah.
Schleifer isn't wrong about this. God doesn't want us to "be ourselves" when ourselves are liars, murderers, etc. God expects us to exhibit Christian virtues whether or not we are yet mature enough to feel that we're living up to them. If that means "faking" our desire not to murder an enemy or to steal a widow's home, so be it. Indeed, RCG would be a much happier place if Dave Pack and his minions learned to convincingly fake more love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. As things stand, those virtues are visibly absent in most RCG leaders, and the brethren suffer as a result.
Lies are being told to profit a false prophet and their sheep are turned into wolves. They now reflect the leaders of a organization that know nothing about unity. The only thing they know, and are complicit in, is the ambitions of a lecherous leader
While not a fan of course, in this case, I believe I know what he means however it seems to come across. He's not saying to be disingenuous. It is just how it may feel when in transition between not doing so well and doing better with these positive traits. "Fake it til you make it" is not a call to be duplistic, disingenuous or deceptive. So I don't personally find a grievous fault in this particular scriptural encouragement to do better.
PS I believe he may have thought, " I could have said that better", but still...
It definitely could have been said better, I agree. The issue with this is that he says God tells us to fake it. I don't believe the scripture he is referring to means this at all. Also, I do think there is a difference between faking happiness and then faking kindness, patience, hospitality. You can put on a smile and try to be happy even when you don't feel it but I don't think anyone should fake kindness. There are times where you do have to be friendly when you dislike a person but generally (speaking for myself), it is more to be respectful and the other person is friendly back but we know we don't like one another. I don't know how one could fake being patient or being hospitable though.
although this was my initial thought, it was wrong, and out of context of the scripture as per usual with these fakers. ministers speaking to members of 5, 10, 15, even 20 plus years to fake being kind etc, when they should have grown in these attributes already. in my 15 years, there was a lot of disingenuous people in RCG, who were totally fake and did not understand what Paul was actually saying, the whole book was to the colossians. He was not saying to fake it, but to clothe oneself with the new man, which is never fake.
Fake it til you make it has been kicking around for years in the self-improvement field. It has its usages.
I make it a practice not to watch or listen to these COGlodyte videos, but Armstrongism has always believed in and taught passion on demand. You know, be happy even if something is killing you inside. We all know why they would do this. Virtually all human defense mechanisms erupt in the presence of Armstrongism, and if you don't suppress them and fake joyfulness, you are said to be in a bad attitude.
To RCG members, "knowing" about common is supposed to be a fantastic blessing, as is God's daily revealing of more false prophecies through Mr. Pack
Hmmm. Sounds like a cult to me!
With regards to "faking it", I am painfully aware that for all of the years I was a WCG member, that's exactly what I had been doing. I knew deep down that I was carnal to the core, and I was incredibly frustrated to realize that in truth, my heart wasn't in "the work". In a number of ways, I despised HWA as I thought of him as a stuck-up Victorian prude who ranted and raved incessantly about makeup and other nonsensical issues. And yet I was supposed to pray for his eyesight issues to be healed so that he would be able to complete "the work". I did so, but it was only because I believed that I had to. When we heard of his death, I felt nothing, and it soon became clear to me that I had only been a religious actor wearing a superficial costume of religiosity. Perhaps many members of the church had been doing the same thing but were unable to realize it. When it comes to our human frailties, deep down we are all carnal, and what we might think is overcoming may well be nothing but a self-deceptive external veneer.
Is it now OK for RCG women to FAKE AN ORGASM too??
But if I'm "faking it," isn't that a facade - the sort of "lying" COG ministers have preached against for decades?
Isn't "put on" in Colossians 3 (which he's quoting) more about wearing clothes (Strong's G1746) - not a costume?
so if you want to be a male transgender all you do is fake it and it becomes so? What a pile of crap from a low-life cult.
Agree. Bradford is putting fake into God's mouth. Into God's word where it does not belong. God would never teach us to be disingenuous. Christ was against those who faked it. I believe he calls them 'hyprocrites'. I know who would be for faking it and that's the devil. Satan, the father of lies.
Fake it until you can't tell anymore. You start to believe it yourself that you are when you aren't. RCG is teaching members to be compulsive liars. Fruitless sermons.
The problem also is that in RCG and other COGS, they stay fake. They don't seem to transition into genuine love, kindness etc. This is proven when someone leaves and they are thrown away like trash.
A rabbi said, do what is right, even if you don't feel like it. Perhaps in time, your heart will catch up with your actions. Our feelings can impact our actions, and the opposite is true, also. Psychologists know that if you try to act happy, you can elevate your mood, etc.
You cannot fake it till you make it. That’s hypocritical, and trying to enter through the back door.
Dude, if someone had read the book "Epaminondas" to you as a child, you would be
familiar with the concept of "appropriateness"!
Hah! They wouldn't even know how to fake one if the only sex they'd ever had was with their RCG husband!
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