Friday, December 5, 2025

It Is Official! No Prehistoric Humans/Pre-Adamic Humans, So Says Crackpot Bob The Prophet


Oh, where would the Church of God and indeed the entire world be without our beloved COG crackpot prophets and self-appointed teachers bravely weighing in with their “inspired” opinions on literally every conceivable subject in the universe? Each and every one of them boldly claiming divine AUTHORITY, as if God Himself personally whispered the hot take directly into their ear.
And now, behold: God’s most highly educated Prophet to ever grace the Church of God movement has graciously opened his mouth to enlighten us on prehistoric man, dinosaurs, and Adam and Eve. Quick, everyone, drop to your knees and bask in the radiant glow of his magnificent wisdom! Truly, we are not worthy.

Crackpot Bob writes:

Were Dinosaurs Prior to Adam & Eve?
When did dinosaurs live? The ‘National Catholic Register’ had an article by Stacy Trasancos titled ‘What Do You Say When Kids Ask About Dinosaurs?’ She brought up some dangers with the ‘young earth creationists’ and stated that dinosaurs were prior to Adam and Eve. Yet, she basically said that the first few verses of Genesis 1 should not be trusted. Yet, that is not the case. Does the Bible support any type of time gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2? Is there a gap symbol shown in the Masoretic text? Did the KJV and NKJV translator err in translating a disjunctive as a conjunctive? Must the earth only be about 6,000 years old? Is billions of years possible? Getting to dinosaurs themselves, do the fossil records support them being prior to a time of replenishment? Could dinosaurs have been destroyed by a ‘dark ice age’ or does the Great Flood of Noah’s time make the most sense? Did the old Worldwide Church of God bring up several facts that ‘young earth fundamentalists’ misunderstand and discount? Is the Bible scientifically reliable? Dr. Thiel addresses these issues and more. 
 
Nothing punctures a COG prophet’s delicately inflated ego quite like a Catholic—or heaven forbid, a woman—daring to know more than he does. The horror! The scandal! How dare mere mortals out-read the Oracle of Armstrongism!

But fear not, for Crackpot Bob has descended from the mountaintop with yet another steaming pile of revelation: there were NO prehistoric humans, folks. Nope! Those were just some extra-large apes casually strolling around with mammoths and giant sloths, probably high-fiving each other while wearing fig leaves for the aesthetic. Real Homo sapiens? Pfft, those didn’t clock in until the divine timecard was punched exactly 6,000 years ago—on the dot, no overtime. Truly, the science is settled; bow before Bob’s Ussher-approved calendar!

Scientists admit that all humans have the same mother, though they often consider that mother was older than Eve of the Book of Genesis. 
 
Now, as used by critical historians, “prehistoric time” is said to refer to earliest antiquity nowhere documented in written records. But the Bible records, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Genesis 1:1). Here is a documented account reaching back to the beginning of the physical universe. “Prehistoric time,” in that sense, is therefore irreconcilable with Scripture. It should come as no surprise, therefore, to learn that biblical passages reveal occurrences prior to the time of man. 
 
If however, we define prehistoric as the time before humans began to write, then we can speak of prehistoric creatures and events. 
 
There were no prehistoric humans prior to Adam. Including others of the ‘genus Homo.’Adam and Eve were therefore the first true humans. 
 
While there are fossil records of apes and other creatures that predate Adam, these creatures were not the same as modern humans as far as God is concerned. 
 
Someone really ought to drag Crackpot Bob out to White Sands, New Mexico, and gently park his anointed face right in front of those pesky 23,000-year-old human footprints literally strutting alongside mammoth and dire wolf tracks. But nah, that would be far too inconvenient for his airtight theology.

Clearly those weren’t humans; just some unusually bipedal, tool-using, fire-making, footprint-leaving “big apes” who somehow managed to domesticate the neighborhood megafauna for casual strolls. You know, the same way modern chimps are famous for taming elephants and going on leisurely walks with them. Totally normal primate behavior. Nothing to see here, folks; move along before your brain starts asking dangerous questions that require actual evidence!

White Sands New Mexico:



Age: The oldest human footprints are approximately 23,000 years old, with a range of 23,400 to 22,600 years ago based on radiocarbon dating of pollen. 
 
Dating methods: Initial dating was done using radiocarbon analysis of seeds. Later research used optically stimulated luminescence and radiocarbon dating of conifer pollen from the same layers to corroborate the age. 
 
Significance: The age suggests humans were present in North America much earlier than previously believed, before the glaciers fully closed off migration routes. 
 
Associated evidence: The footprints are found alongside fossilized tracks of other ice age animals, such as mammoths and dire wolves. 
 
Oh, silly us! According to the infallible Crackpot Bob, anyone who points at those White Sands footprints and dares call them "human" is just a drooling, Bible-hating moron who deliberately turned off their brain the moment Genesis was printed.

Because nothing says "I love Scripture" quite like closing your eyes, plugging your ears, and screaming "LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR 23,000 YEARS OF FOOTPRINTS" whenever actual evidence threatens to wander into the room. Truly, Bob’s courageous stand against reality is an inspiration to stubborn people everywhere.

But many scientists have tried to teach otherwise. The Bible reveals that they should know the truth, but do not:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man — and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. (Romans 1:18-25) 
 
Oh, those poor, bumbling scientists with their fancy “degrees” and “evidence” and “peer review”; don’t they realize that the only accredited source of literally ALL knowledge in the universe is a COG prophet who couldn’t pass a middle-school geology quiz? How dare they keep digging up facts when Crackpot Bob already explained everything from the safety of his folding-chair throne!

But give the man credit where it’s due: in a stunning display of open-mindedness, Crackpot Bob has graciously conceded that dinosaurs were, in fact, real. (Yes, the same guy who insists the planet is 6,000 years old is totally fine with 70-million-year-old thunder lizards. Consistency is for losers anyway.) We should all applaud this bold, totally-not-contradictory compromise that keeps both the fossil record and his ego perfectly intact. Bravo, Bob. Truly a scholar for the ages.

Humans have the spirit of man in them, whereas animals, including the other primates, do not. The reality that there is a spirit in humans is taught in both the Old and New Testaments:

8 But there is a spirit in man,
And the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding. (Job 32:8)
11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? (1 Corinthians 2:11) 
 
God gave animals instinct, but not the type of understanding that He gave humans. Many scientists will not admit that there is a spirit in man that God gave. 
 
Pre-Adamic primates, were, at best, like advanced chimpanzees. There were no true humans before Adam. 
 
But what about dinosaurs? Yes, they look to have been before Adam.

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

A question for Bob: If non-humans were producing cave art 20,000 - 30,000 years ago, why aren't they doing so today? Did they get stupid while humans got civilized?

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

This is typical Armstrongist and Fundamentalist behavior. Any evidence which contradicts their worldview is simply ignored or rejected. According to these folks, God wrote the Bible by himself (no human input), and everything in it should be regarded as geologically, biologically, anthropologically, geographically, and historically true and accurate. If anything seems amiss, it's just because we dumb dumbs don't get it.

The truth is that the earth is billions of years old, and the universe is even older than it is! The geologic and fossil records both reflect this reality. They also demonstrate the FACT that life on earth has evolved over many millions of years (the science of genetics also proves this). Dinosaurs roamed this earth long before Adam and Eve were even a twinkle in God's eyes! This is verifiable FACT.

The Bible is a wonderful book that is useful/profitable for the SPIRITUAL enrichment which Paul alluded to in his letter to Timothy. It was written as a kind of joint project between humans and God. This was God's decision, not mine and not yours! Of course, God's part of that equation is flawless - the human part not so much.

In other words, God NEVER intended for Scripture to be regarded as a scientifically or historically accurate textbook! It is a tool for God's people to use - as directed by the Holy Spirit - NOTHING MORE. It is NOT infallible, inerrant, or flawless. Those are Divine qualities. It is a BOOK about God - it is NOT God - it is NOT worthy of worship. For those who are willing to see, the book is covered in human fingerprints. However, for those of the household of faith, we should also be able to discern Divine fingerprints all over these same documents.

The Judeo-Christian Bible is an excellent resource to learn about God, Jesus, faith, love, forgiveness, compassion, mercy, kindness, and moral values. As a scientific or historical reference, however, it's not of much use!

Byker Bob said...

A thought for the day: Would an intelligent designer expect us to factor scientific discoveries into our interpretations of the Book He left for us???

Why would we expect beings which look vaguely like humans, but still had the minds of animals to be receiving salvation?

Why would it be an issue if God used a multifaceted approach, with creation being augmented by evolution, Him choosing which ever process was most appropriate?

HWA caused problems with belief by making grandiose pronouncements about things which he had no knowledge to support. Now, they've gone and made him an infallible "Apostle"
imagining that his pronouncements were eternal knowledge that cannot be corrected!

BB

RSK said...

Yes, civilization as we know it was just on the edge of its seat waiting for Bob's opinion about this.

Anonymous said...

Christians walk by faith and not by sight.

Anonymous said...

There we are. We have heard it straight from the horse’s mouth, or some would say donkeys mouth. Pre historic man didn’t exist? Looking at the fossils that inhabit Armstrongism and modern politics, I wouldn’t be to sure. Don’t start me on my mother in law lol. We know so much but understand so little. And the prophets of the Armstrong movement have added nothing to our knowledge or understanding. Let’s face it, the Armstrong movement is invisible, like Bob. Keep up the good work you folk at Banned.

Anonymous said...

AW....Why not? One week is as 7000 years....
3976 BC - 2025 AD........6 days
2026 AD - 3026 AD........1 day, the sabbath, the millennial reign, beginning Pentecost

Anonymous said...

What strawman argument rubbish you write. Is it a parody? surely ? How can you ever mean the words you type?
Even children all know the Bible is not a 'book'. No church of God has ever worshipped the Bible nor any of your strawman accusations remotely true. Are you losing the edge in your accusations ? Goliath in the valley ? thinking no one will dare challenge your accusations. I dare.

You boldly type: ' It is a BOOK about God- it is NOT God.' Yet scripture contradicts you big time.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is breathed out of God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

Psalm 119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God os living and active, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and of marrow and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

So you corrupt leaders from the churches of God have always been defeated by God Himself. Whilst you get lost and entangled in fables and myths God works with whom He wants and doesn't think to ask your permission. Jesus in the eight woes of Matthew 23 pronounced against their hypocrisy who told the godless scribes and pharisees in the Temple" You won't go into the Kingdom and try and hinder and stop people from entering the Kingdom of heaven.''

Anonymous said...

Why would we expect beings which look vaguely like humans, but still had the minds of animals to be receiving salvation?

Please be careful. You are making the same argument used by racists to claim that only their race is truly human and is destined for salvation. The alleged subhumans may be "white devils" or "Negroes" but the principle is the same. We know that modern humans could reproduce with several of those other humanoid species with "the minds of animals" so we should be hesitant to presume whether or not those other humanoids will be among the saved.

Anonymous said...

Historically verifable dates only back about 5000 years. There's several assumptions in carbon -14 dating that cannot be proven. Leeching from water can also give much longer dates when using carbon -14 dating. Meaning, that the 23,000 year foot print and similar needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
If one rejects the bible account of Adam and Eve, why bother with the rest of the bible?

Anonymous said...

If one rejects the bible account of Adam and Eve, why bother with the rest of the bible?

True. And when one filters the bible account of Adam and Eve through Greco-Roman and Babylonian worldviews instead of authentic Hebrew midrash, one is in fact rejecting the true biblical account in favor of pagan concepts of history and chronology. Today's Christians believe many things about Adam and Eve that Jesus and his contemporaries did not believe.

Byker Bob said...

OK, point well taken. Let it be known that I hate racism, and I don't particularly care to be around racists because I consider them to be the actual subhumans. While I wouldn't mind my children marrying members of other races, I would hate it if they married racists!

The point is, it appears that the hominids became "human" about ten thousand years ago, when language was developed, and mankind began to be able to record and accumulate his thoughts. The first "God-conscious" beings. But, still, I really wish my late Siamese cat could be "saved" and be with me in the Kingdom as well. And, of course if that happens, it would follow that the hominids will also be saved.

Who knows what is really going to happen? I don't like people who claim to know so many of these unknowable things, and think we're not getting into the Kingdom unless we believe exactly as they do!

BB

Anonymous said...

Everyone can choose to believe whatever they want to choose to believe (after all faith and choice go all the way back to the Garden of Eden). I for one believe there was no pre-Adamic man and there was no pre-Adamic world populated by dinosaurs. Adam was the first and only man and Eve the first and only woman God created through whom all mankind has been conceived and died. And the dinosaurs (or dragons) lived contemporaneously with man until most were killed in the global Flood and that the few preserved on Noah’s Ark survived and reproduced until they were eventually hunted to extinction.

Anonymous said...

Why would we expect beings which look vaguely like humans, but still had the minds of animals to be receiving salvation?

Maybe if you have any Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA, you aren't fully human and the spirit in man can't attach to you, so you're essentially a NPC and won't be saved?

If so, most Europeans won't be saved, along with quite a few Asiatics. That would throw a spanner into the works!

R.L. said...

Dr. Thiel (or some other COG leader) ought to interview Ken Ham of Ark Encounter. Ham thinks dinosaurs were in the ark, then perished - although I don't see any Biblical evidence for an "Ice Age" which killed them.

Anonymous said...

Likewise the arsenic and lace attitude towards a creator God, who according to you created humonoids but did not even bother to record the why in scripture. Then suddenly they became human through speech patterns. What a load of rubbish.
Sunday keeping Christians from all kinds of denominations would laugh at you. Although Catholics would grab some holy water and throw it at you, then laugh.
Then you've the gore nerve to say Sabbath keepers aren't Christians.

Anonymous said...

Fantasic comment 3:57.

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

I do NOT reject the story of Adam and Eve. The story has some important insights into human nature, the origin of sin, and the way that Satan influences human behavior. It is NOT, however, a scientific explanation of the origins of humankind or life on this planet. It is NOT an explanation of why snakes slither on their bellies. It is NOT an account of the birth of the universe. It is a very strong statement that God is the Creator of ALL things, and that we have been a part of his plans from the beginning.

The Bible is silent on many things. There is a whole bunch of stuff which didn't make it into the book (the very word Bible is derived from the Greek word "biblia" meaning books). THE BOOK is a collection of writings/scrolls/books. Hence, the Latin "biblia sacra" or Holy Books, as in Holy Bible in English - THE Holy Book. Most of the Bible uses a great deal of metaphor and/or symbolic language. Thus, it is absurd to insist that everything - every story must be interpreted to be literally true! Moreover, the only folks who insist on such nonsense are Fundamentalists and Atheists!

Byker Bob said...

To the mocker at 3:11: Why do you mock theistic evolution, a holy process our loving Father uses as one of his creative tools??? Over thousands of years (a year is as a day) God develops man, guiding the process step by step, with each increment bringing the hominids to the place where their brains can be made conscious of Him. In the final stages, He gives them language, teaches them, naming the first God-conscious man Adam, and the first God-conscious woman Eve. His creation work is now complete, and the history of mankind as a sentient, God-conscious being is initiated. As part of the continuing evolution, Adam and Eve fall from grace. God is accustomed to dealing with the failure of his created beings because unlike Him, they are not perfect. The chief fallen being from His first creation has actually been instrumental in causing the fall of His most recent creation, through dirty tricks, ie lies and temptation. But, God has a plan for the further evolution of, and perfection of His human children, and uses Satan as an adversary that his humans must work against, but whom they will ultimately conquer through Jesus Christ's work on their behalf on the cross.

It all makes sense. Clears up the mysteries of creation week quite nicely! You just have to put all the evidence together to get the whole story! Long wave evolution is not in and of itself evil. It is a totally observable process, through many shorter term examples. It only becomes evil if you turn it into "Godless" evolution. Cutting God out of the carefully guided process of theistic evolution is just plain rude! It may also be harmful to your eternal health.

BB

Anonymous said...

Well, at least bob is right about football. Maybe he should give up religion and science and stick to sports.

Anonymous said...

People like MJ can interpret the bible however they choose. What good is a book like that?

Anonymous said...

What authentic Hebrew midrash?

There is nothing authentic about the Hebrew confiscation and interpretation of pagan myths that ended up in the bible.

Anonymous said...

This is not a teaching of scripture nor UCG. You cannot prove it from scripture, it is from other humans figment of their imagination.

Anonymous said...

So Satan's deception doesn't exist? His deceitful lying to newly created Adam and Eve. God's purpose was never the Fall.

And all scripture in both O.T & N.T. from all different inspired believers writing and teaching about 'Adam' and 'the first man' is all out of kilter.

It is inspired by the occult and is well known in Christian circles as occultic. It will be fought tooth and nail in the COG.

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

I could come up with fantastic interpretations of Scripture (like Herbie, Gerald, Dave, and Bill), but many of us are guided by some principles which prevent us from getting too woo-woo. Things like: 1. a passage must NEVER be taken out of context, 2. a passage dealing with some subject must NEVER be isolated from other passages which deal with the same subject, 3. a teaching must be subject to the weight of Scriptural evidence, 4. the Old Testament must be understood/interpreted in the light of the Christ event, and 5. the historical understandings of others (including biblical scholars) must be consulted and compared with our own understanding, 6. the original Hebrew and Greek must be consulted to arrive at a legitimate understanding/interpretation of a text, and 7. we must always entertain the possibility that we could still be wrong about our conclusions.

RSK said...

Well, there you have it. Black folk with no European or Asiatic blood are now the only ones who will receive salvation. Gonna be some upset wypipo!

Byker Bob said...

It's all relative, and yet sometimes simultaneously relevant as well, 10:25. I've raised your basic premise on :many occasions, and the Armstrongites respond that God revealed His truths to Adam and Eve at creation, and that these were gradually corrupted and lost by the nations surrounding Israel. So, some still had a form of the original holy days customs and edifices by the time of Moses. The Sinai covenant cleaned and restored them, to the Armstrong line of thinking.

I had thought I was really on to something when I read of the Phoenician predecessor temple to that of Solomon. It was virtually identical. One blogger opined that Satan knew what God's temple in heaven looked like and inspired the Phoenician counterfeit centuries before Solomon consulted with Hiram, the King of Tyre, regarding the construction of the Temple in Jerusalem.

These guys always have a wide variety of straws to grasp. The straws become, or support their "truths". Which would be fine, if they used that straw to make Egyptian style bricks. But, they don't! The straw is their only bulding material for their house!

BB

Anonymous said...

At last we understand why the beatniks of the 1950s saw the black man as being the center of the universe!

Seriously, 7:08 is not hip to dominance and recessiveness. The human mind would no doubt have been the dominant genetic trait. As for the dude or dudette who thinks there were dinosaurs on the ark, neither the Bible, nor Josephus, nor the Talmud mentions anything like that!

First identification of a dinosaur fossil was in 1824 by Bruckland.

Anonymous said...

My, my, my. My God really, really does have the power, etc to inspire the Greek and Hebrew words He wants and preserve them exactly by anyone He chooses for millenia, with no contradictions, errors, etc. But translations by man......may be a problem........

John said...

Byker Bob, aka BB, Friday, December 5, 2025 at 5:17:58 PM PST, wrote:

OK, point well taken. Let it be known that I hate racism, and I don't particularly care to be around racists because I consider them to be the actual subhumans. While I wouldn't mind my children marrying members of other races, I would hate it if they married racists!......

......Who knows what is really going to happen? I don't like people who claim to know so many of these unknowable things, and think we're not getting into the Kingdom unless we believe exactly as they do!
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BB, FWIIW, maybe we're all a little racist to one degree or another. Human beings, regardless of skin color, are human beings: all part of the human family. From God's point of view there may not be such a thing as races. Racism is basically of one human being having hatred for another.

In thinking about the gospel, something it appears most of the xcog hirelings of the former WCG do not pay much attention to is what was told to Abraham:

"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed." Galatians 3:8

And it was given to Abraham before he was given a name change, before did anything to impress God:

Genesis 12:1 "Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

All nations/families of the earth have yet to be blessed.

They all, regardless of skin color, have something in common:

"And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;" Acts 17:26

I recall a colored woman one time ask: "Isn't all blood red?"

What's a bottom line? BB, I have confidence you shall be in God's Kingdom.

BB, you wrote: "...Who knows what is really going to happen? I don't like people who claim to know so many of these unknowable things, and think we're not getting into the Kingdom unless we believe exactly as they do!..."

Will God fulfill His promise to Abram and bless all nations/families, or not?

Time will tell...

John