This was sent to me by a reader here on Banned about a member-led initiative for COGWA and UCG to keep the Feast of Tabernacles together in 2028.
This is a member-led initiative, but I can see it getting squashed by the powers that be in heart beat. And anyone supporting it being "punished," if not disfellowshipped.
The real reason the powers that be don't want this is, as we know, money. If you're loyalty is divided between two orgs, then so will your dollars. (That's one of the reasons, especially in COGWA, why people can get kicked out for attending another org.)
I doubt this will actually happen. But it's interesting to see.
COGWA and UCG members are launching a member-led initiative for a joint Feast of Tabernacles site. Anyone who has spent even one day in a Church of God organization knows this will never actually happen. Leadership in both groups is far too busy guarding their little thrones, protecting their domains, and making sure no one else gets to decide who speaks, who handles the money, or who gets the final veto for anything like this to survive contact with reality.
There are people from both organizations who were disfellowshipped by their original churches. That alone would turn any shared site into an awkward minefield the moment a disfellowshipped member had to sit in the same room-or worse, share a potluck table-with the very minister who marked them and showed them the door. Deep-seated resentment still runs through some of the ministers who felt betrayed when COGWA walked away from UCG in 2010. Those wounds did not magically heal because a handful of members posted a proposal online and set up a Facebook page. The men who spent years convincing themselves (and everyone else) that the other side was the problem are not suddenly going to discover humility because members want a joint Feast.
The Churches of God have spent decades perfecting the art of splitting, never the art of reuniting. From the post-WCG fragmentation onward, the pattern has been consistent: disagreements over governance, personality, "the work," or who gets to control the money and the microphones produce new letterhead, new Feast sites, and fresh claims of being the real continuation. UCG itself was born from one of those splits. COGWA then peeled off from UCG after years of internal friction that the official statements still describe as irreconcilable. Fifteen-plus years later, the two groups still run parallel Feast operations, parallel media, and parallel claims to be the faithful remnant. A member-driven "shared site" for 2028 does not erase any of that-especially when the people who would have to approve it spent the intervening years reminding everyone why they could not possibly share a stage, a budget, or a microphone.
The proposal itself tries hard to sound harmless: separate registration, shared speakers, 50/50 or attendance-based finances, no merger, no change to either church's government. On paper it is modest. In practice it would require ministers who still nurse grievances from the 2010 split to cooperate on budgets, speaker selection, children's programs, and emergency protocols while pretending the old scores have been settled. It would also require both administrations to trust that a joint site would not become a recruiting ground or a platform for members to compare notes on which organization has the better governance or the less authoritarian pastor. History suggests neither set of leaders is eager to run that experiment. They have never been known for risking their authority on the off chance that ordinary members might enjoy fellowship without their constant supervision.
Disfellowshipped members add another layer. COG culture has long treated marking and disfellowshipping as tools of order-handy reminders of who is in charge. Once someone has been put out, they are usually expected to stay out. Dropping them into a shared Feast with the minister who performed the ritual is not fellowship; it is theater that most of these leaders would rather avoid. The same goes for the ministers who still view the other side as the ones who abandoned the true structure or the true work. Anger that "still permeates" does not stay politely in the background when housing, offerings, and who gets the keynote slot have to be negotiated. These are the same men who can spend an hour explaining why unity is vital and then spend the next decade making sure it never happens on anyone else's terms.
Member initiatives like this one surface regularly in the various COG groups. They reflect real desire among some people for less isolation and more normal fellowship. They almost never survive contact with the ministerial layer that controls the calendars, the sites, the money, and the final yes-or-no. The track record is not subtle: the Churches of God have demonstrated, repeatedly and over decades, that their leaders are far better at forming new organizations than at sharing one. A joint Feast site would require both sides to act against that well-established pattern-and against the instinct of men who have spent their careers making sure the domain stays theirs. Betting against it has been the safer wager every time.



20 comments:
The Churches of God have spent decades perfecting the art of splitting……….you nailed it there. Reunification? More chance that the moon is made out of cheese. Too much bad blood and vibes between the ‘powers’ that be. It’s all about the cash flow, at the end of the day. And of course above all, salaries. The gospel takes second place, if even that. Their own disintegration speaks against them. There are genuine folks in these groups. I don’t judge them but religion has created enormous divisions. A unified Feast next year?
Unlikely. Can’t imagine Flurry Thiel and co giving up their privileges and power.
UCG and COGWA split because UCG was going to change all these major things right?
And.....
Nothing changed....
Same ol "democratic" Armstrongism.. Which is a step up from totalitarian Armstrongism but can bad roots bring forth any fruit?
And Armstrongism is nothing but strange fruit
I applaud them for trying because it will confirm why the church isn't growing if they dismiss this. It is really a shame that so many can "see" while the elders continue to make excuses.
Don't want to talk, don't want to reconcile, don't want to give up salary, pensions, rental car, etc, don't want to give up personal power for the sake Christ-commanded unity, don't want to budge on doctrinal details, don't want to re-study major doctrines in faith that Christ will lead, don't want to share with other men when I have a clique already that accepts me, don't want no-men when I have yes-men who support me all the time, don't want to give up my will for a consensus-led decision of the holy Spirit, don't want to change my convenient lifestyle and place myself in subjection to other elders who are inferior to me, don't want, don't want, don't want...
Let's see, Franks said it was an example of keeping the law of God when we were commanded to wear masks during covid but it isn't the command of God to be reconciled and unified?
Hard to believe most in Cogwa have spent more time in cogwa than in UCG. I wonder if they’ve stopped to consider the fruit in those 30-31 years.
“Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it” -Bueller
A nice idea and achievable in a perfect world, but we are living in dangerous times and such a joint venture could contain dangers for the members as COGWA won't be aware of any dangerous issues developed in UCG since 2011, and viser versa for UCG members.
If this is what the members want, they should use all possible means to make it happen! They're the ones paying the ministers' salaries!!!
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ: Armstrongism.
Anonymous on Tuesday, October 20, 2026 at 7:54:45 PM PDT said ... “UCG and COGWA split because UCG was going to change all these major things right?”
Light VERSUS Darkness
Judging by the actual behavior of the UCG people, it looks like the UCG threw out virtually everything to do with morality from its very beginning in 1995. Since December 2010, anyone who does not like this can leave the UCG and try COGWA.
For sure, Satan and the demons would like to arrange to get their godless, wicked, and malicious UCG people near the COGWA people again to try to harm them in various ways. They try to pass off their sinister plans as “promoting unity.” But, what do light and darkness have in common?
UCG made it sound as if John Elliott went to Jim Franks last year, perhaps in a bid for reconciliation.
So far, the only sign of reconciliation I've seen involves Bob Thiel communicating with Aaron Dean about groups in Africa.
Couldn't agree more. These "leaders" should be ashamed of themselves. All of them. If they had an ounce of what Paul wrote about, they'd humble themselves and draw lots to see about coming together...not a chance. Filthy covetous thieves.
Amen brother.
Yes! Just leave and worship on their own...that's what I and a handful of folks did...truth is more important than crowds, socials and comfort. Man, this era is in trouble...
Anon, Wednesday, October 21, 2026 at 8:16:34 AM PDT, wrote:
Anonymous on Tuesday, October 20, 2026 at 7:54:45 PM PDT said ... “UCG and COGWA split because UCG was going to change all these major things right?”
Light VERSUS Darkness
Judging by the actual behavior of the UCG people, it looks like the UCG threw out virtually everything to do with morality from its very beginning in 1995. Since December 2010, anyone who does not like this can leave the UCG and try COGWA.
For sure, Satan and the demons would like to arrange to get their godless, wicked, and malicious UCG people near the COGWA people again to try to harm them in various ways. They try to pass off their sinister plans as “promoting unity.” But, what do light and darkness have in common?
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And, what does light and darkness have in common? Interesting question!
God can exist without evil, but evil cannot exist without God.
Or, perhaps most would be familiar with the following:
Law can exist without crime, but crime cannot exist without law.
Marriage can exist without divorce, but divorce cannot exist without marriage.
Light and darkness?
FWIIW, light can exist without darkness; however, darkness cannot exist without light.
Time will tell...
John
It’s all a house of cards
Anon, Wednesday, October 21, 2026 at 6:12:46 AM PDT, commented writing:
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ: Armstrongism.
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Anon, you may believe that, but for the following reasons I doubt that Armstrongism shall separate sealed Firstfruits from Christ's love.
Romans 8:34 "Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Could, others have a different type of love masquerading as Jesus' love, possibly from “another Jesus,” and be separated by Armstrongism?
Time will tell...
John
Heard a preacher on radio today quote from 3 John re Diotrephes who loved to have the preeminence ("love of being first") in the church. Doesn't this describe our elders today? In their minds they, like Diotrephes, have to be right when they disfellowship someone.
11:02 is the kind of reasoning that is getting us nowhere.
Dangerous issues in UCG since 2011? Maybe Abraham, Jacob or David had "dangerous issues" before God closed the book successfully on them?
The only danger for us is if we don't repent in time to be spared from His coming wrath for our disobedience.
And if your faith is placed in your partial “law-keeping” and not in His Son, then you’re already condemned.
Armstrongism can't separate sealed firstfruits from Christ's love because sealed firstfuits would never go anywhere near an Armstrong based church. The very idea would be preposterous.
Anon, Thursday, October 22, 2026 at 7:55:35 PM PDT, wrote:
Armstrongism can't separate sealed firstfruits from Christ's love because sealed firstfuits would never go anywhere near an Armstrong based church. The very idea would be preposterous.
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Anon, that idea may not be as preposterous as you think, since it is Jesus' God, His Father that is drawing (John 6:44), dragging (via Strong's Concordance), people out "who knows what" kind of lifestyles, organizations, etc., to become sealed firstfruits of God's Church (Rev 2-3).
Is God continuing to drag people into His Church?
I Cor 1:25 "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called]:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:"
And, we're also told this:
:29 "That no flesh should glory in his presence."
Is it really true that no flesh should, or will, glory in Jesus' God's presence or, for that matter, even in Jesus' presence?
Time will tell...
John
"Judge not or you will be judged" Jesus Christ
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